Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions
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WIN 52
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Wow! And I thought there was a problem because I don't dream like I used to. My dreams were so vivid and now it is like I can't remember a thing except laying down in bed. I don't even get up to urinate as often in the night. It used to be every couple of hours. Now it is once, closer to morning and if I don't drink much in the evening there have been a few nights that I slept right through.
Thanks for posting this Medulin
Medulin said:
Wow! And I thought there was a problem because I don't dream like I used to. My dreams were so vivid and now it is like I can't remember a thing except laying down in bed. I don't even get up to urinate as often in the night. It used to be every couple of hours. Now it is once, closer to morning and if I don't drink much in the evening there have been a few nights that I slept right through.
Thanks for posting this Medulin
Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?
Same for me, after cutting down the carbs I don't dream as often, but when I do, the dreams seem more coherent, less scatterbrained, and even seem to take the form of a story or lesson. Some of these dreams were strikingly direct about the lesson. However at this time I have also been doing EE regularly, which I think has to do with it as well.
Same for me, after cutting down the carbs I don't dream as often, but when I do, the dreams seem more coherent, less scatterbrained, and even seem to take the form of a story or lesson. Some of these dreams were strikingly direct about the lesson. However at this time I have also been doing EE regularly, which I think has to do with it as well.
mcb
The Living Force
Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?
Since I fired up the gut bacteria and got them working for me I have been having all sorts of weird dreams. I hope it's not their dreams. :)
I would rather think of them as ketone dreams. My ketones are still peaking around 2.0 or so (maximum 2.4), apparently because my fasting blood sugar is still high (90-100). I am reducing my protein intake a little to see what that does.
Since I fired up the gut bacteria and got them working for me I have been having all sorts of weird dreams. I hope it's not their dreams. :)
I would rather think of them as ketone dreams. My ketones are still peaking around 2.0 or so (maximum 2.4), apparently because my fasting blood sugar is still high (90-100). I am reducing my protein intake a little to see what that does.
WIN 52
The Living Force
Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?
Well, it seems that my dreams happen when I am awake. Or I should possibly say lessons and discussions!
Since 1980 (and even before but not as strong), I have had a strong connection to what I refer to as a guide, which I felt was a group which I was a part of in some way. Since the dietary changes this connection has grown much stronger. I find myself questioning things and then seemingly become engaged in a discussion about the issue with my guide(s).
It feels like time is at hand to strengthen this connection through use. The only draw back is the feeling of exposure that floods over me! (Someone somewhere is watching and special attention is focused on me)
monotonic said:
Well, it seems that my dreams happen when I am awake. Or I should possibly say lessons and discussions!
Since 1980 (and even before but not as strong), I have had a strong connection to what I refer to as a guide, which I felt was a group which I was a part of in some way. Since the dietary changes this connection has grown much stronger. I find myself questioning things and then seemingly become engaged in a discussion about the issue with my guide(s).
It feels like time is at hand to strengthen this connection through use. The only draw back is the feeling of exposure that floods over me! (Someone somewhere is watching and special attention is focused on me)
sairie
Jedi Master
Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?
Hello, I am newly reading about the ketogenic diet and am interested in trying it out. Although I am a person that has a hard time gaining weight and keeping it, I am 5 '1 and normally at 100lbs add a few 3-4lbs on my 'lucky fat days'.
I am not a big eating veggies but i do get a fruit craving occasionally and i if i cant find it being organically grown go for the unsweetened dried version. I am Gluten intolerant, I watch what carbohydrates i take in daily usually 40 grams or below from buckwheat & white rice occasionally. I do take a good multivitamin daily, a bio plasma cell salt along with vita mineral green supplement. I am doing the E.E. program and found this to be VERY beneficial for relief of the pinched nerves in my neck and lower back that have come from a car accident years ago. I have also found that smoking has helped in many ways I have been doing so just over a year now about 8 to 12 a day.
I am wondering if there are any links to any or all charts concerning finding the weight requirements for protein intake i need.
I am also doing this to be an example for my partner to follow, his heavy peanut butter & sunflower with honey and cinnamon (3 a day) slices of brown rice bread that has raisins and cinnamon in it with his cup of raw milk mid morning is his addiction. he calls it his- protein for the day. For him it is hard to loose weight and he is "over" a normal weight for his height.
Also If there is and easy recipe for a bone broth and some ideas as to where I can find the ingredients because I do not live near a local butcher.
Thank you for any and all help !
This is Amazing information with Amazing results form what I am reading and would like to benefit from and help others to learn more about. :)
Hello, I am newly reading about the ketogenic diet and am interested in trying it out. Although I am a person that has a hard time gaining weight and keeping it, I am 5 '1 and normally at 100lbs add a few 3-4lbs on my 'lucky fat days'.
I am not a big eating veggies but i do get a fruit craving occasionally and i if i cant find it being organically grown go for the unsweetened dried version. I am Gluten intolerant, I watch what carbohydrates i take in daily usually 40 grams or below from buckwheat & white rice occasionally. I do take a good multivitamin daily, a bio plasma cell salt along with vita mineral green supplement. I am doing the E.E. program and found this to be VERY beneficial for relief of the pinched nerves in my neck and lower back that have come from a car accident years ago. I have also found that smoking has helped in many ways I have been doing so just over a year now about 8 to 12 a day.
I am wondering if there are any links to any or all charts concerning finding the weight requirements for protein intake i need.
I am also doing this to be an example for my partner to follow, his heavy peanut butter & sunflower with honey and cinnamon (3 a day) slices of brown rice bread that has raisins and cinnamon in it with his cup of raw milk mid morning is his addiction. he calls it his- protein for the day. For him it is hard to loose weight and he is "over" a normal weight for his height.
Also If there is and easy recipe for a bone broth and some ideas as to where I can find the ingredients because I do not live near a local butcher.
Thank you for any and all help !
This is Amazing information with Amazing results form what I am reading and would like to benefit from and help others to learn more about. :)
Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?
Hi Maddie,
You can find some recipes for the broth here: http://www.sott.net/article/257416-Stock-vs-Broth-Are-You-Confused
Just beware of the vegetables and choose some herbal spices instead.
As for the protein requirements, it all depends. If you are starting up, you might need more protein than usual, until your body becomes adapted to metabolize big chunks of fat.
The guide is 0.8-1.5 grams of protein per kilogram of ideal body weight. 1.5 being typically for those who are doing a lot of exercise. Just googled ideal body weight chart and came up with this:
_http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-1108048103230.html
Looks good enough for me, but you'll find image charts on the search results as well. This is meant as a guide, it will have to be adapted to your own activities and needs. For example, some days I adjust to my higher upper limit, other days I do the lower limit.
Hi Maddie,
You can find some recipes for the broth here: http://www.sott.net/article/257416-Stock-vs-Broth-Are-You-Confused
Just beware of the vegetables and choose some herbal spices instead.
As for the protein requirements, it all depends. If you are starting up, you might need more protein than usual, until your body becomes adapted to metabolize big chunks of fat.
The guide is 0.8-1.5 grams of protein per kilogram of ideal body weight. 1.5 being typically for those who are doing a lot of exercise. Just googled ideal body weight chart and came up with this:
_http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-1108048103230.html
Looks good enough for me, but you'll find image charts on the search results as well. This is meant as a guide, it will have to be adapted to your own activities and needs. For example, some days I adjust to my higher upper limit, other days I do the lower limit.
sairie
Jedi Master
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Thank you, Psyche, I am grateful!
I have reread all 139 pages of this tread and found after doing so that this is something that I personally and even my partner would GREATLY benefit from doing. (Well everyone really.) As I have even on a Gluten free diet eating those carbohydrates have become a bit of a boring time. I have decided to add a bit of ghee into my daily morning cup of black tea as even though I love the smell of coffee I could never seem to manage more than a few sips or finish a cup. I now know why this was. I will be trying to work on my partner too as he is for now the 'bread winner' to buying the bones to make this broth. Though sadly I feel he might want to finish off what stock of food we have that is of the Gluten free diet first so as to 'not waste the money spent on it'. This is all so simple really this Ketogenic Diet and I have read in this thread and on sott of the good it can do. I pray I can influence my partner enough to give it what is necessary to DO it fully and stay on it regardless of the bumpy path at first so as to benefit as we can.
I think this diet that Laura has been on is why I feel from listening to the radio on Sundays she seems youthful than her true age.
Thank you again, Psyche !
Thank you, Psyche, I am grateful!
I have reread all 139 pages of this tread and found after doing so that this is something that I personally and even my partner would GREATLY benefit from doing. (Well everyone really.) As I have even on a Gluten free diet eating those carbohydrates have become a bit of a boring time. I have decided to add a bit of ghee into my daily morning cup of black tea as even though I love the smell of coffee I could never seem to manage more than a few sips or finish a cup. I now know why this was. I will be trying to work on my partner too as he is for now the 'bread winner' to buying the bones to make this broth. Though sadly I feel he might want to finish off what stock of food we have that is of the Gluten free diet first so as to 'not waste the money spent on it'. This is all so simple really this Ketogenic Diet and I have read in this thread and on sott of the good it can do. I pray I can influence my partner enough to give it what is necessary to DO it fully and stay on it regardless of the bumpy path at first so as to benefit as we can.
I think this diet that Laura has been on is why I feel from listening to the radio on Sundays she seems youthful than her true age.
Thank you again, Psyche !
Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?
Keep in mind that if they turn out negative, it might mean that you are in full keto mode and therefore nothing shows up in the urine. That is one of the reasons it is not considered reliable.
A blood ketone meter is reliable. But it is pricey, market value for each strip is 5 dollars or so and you have to get a pinch of blood with a needle.
Medulin said:
Keep in mind that if they turn out negative, it might mean that you are in full keto mode and therefore nothing shows up in the urine. That is one of the reasons it is not considered reliable.
A blood ketone meter is reliable. But it is pricey, market value for each strip is 5 dollars or so and you have to get a pinch of blood with a needle.
Maya
Jedi Master
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I was thinking the same thing, but I can't afford blood ketone meter right now... According to this urine keto sticks, my husband, 5 year old doughter and I are in ketosis all the time for a year now...most of time it's '++' like Medulin said and after some hard work or excercise it's '+++' ...
Psyche said:
I was thinking the same thing, but I can't afford blood ketone meter right now... According to this urine keto sticks, my husband, 5 year old doughter and I are in ketosis all the time for a year now...most of time it's '++' like Medulin said and after some hard work or excercise it's '+++' ...
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Hi Maddie,
I made an Excel sheet where you can enter your weight and either percentage of food based on fat/protein/carb ratios or base it on protein requirements only. It might help in figuring out what you need for your weight.
You can download it here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1744540/Fat%20Calculator.xlsx
Everyone also feel free to take a look too and edit it to suit your needs or make improvements.
Question to everyone, although I think Psyche answered it already, is in regards to using Nora's 0.8g/kg of protein or Volek and Phinney's 1.5g/kg.
When I base my daily requirements at 80% fat and 20%, my required protein is closer to 1.5g/kg. If I limit to 0.8g/kg and no more than 40g for the day, the ratio shifts to 90% fat and 10% protein for my caloric needs. I've found it quite difficult to maintain that ratio, and on more active days I do feel the need for more protein despite getting the right amount of fat. So far from what I've read there is no conclusive number on that yet and it can vary in that range (0.8-1.5g/kg) as Psyche mentioned.
Anyway, to get the point, am I going to kick myself out of ketosis or delay keto adaptation if I exceed 40g per day? Or is the key to not exceed 25g per meal to allow the body time to process the protein and not start converting that extra protein into glucose? I've been following the thread but couldn't find anything conclusive in that regard.
Maddie said:
Hi Maddie,
I made an Excel sheet where you can enter your weight and either percentage of food based on fat/protein/carb ratios or base it on protein requirements only. It might help in figuring out what you need for your weight.
You can download it here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1744540/Fat%20Calculator.xlsx
Everyone also feel free to take a look too and edit it to suit your needs or make improvements.
Question to everyone, although I think Psyche answered it already, is in regards to using Nora's 0.8g/kg of protein or Volek and Phinney's 1.5g/kg.
When I base my daily requirements at 80% fat and 20%, my required protein is closer to 1.5g/kg. If I limit to 0.8g/kg and no more than 40g for the day, the ratio shifts to 90% fat and 10% protein for my caloric needs. I've found it quite difficult to maintain that ratio, and on more active days I do feel the need for more protein despite getting the right amount of fat. So far from what I've read there is no conclusive number on that yet and it can vary in that range (0.8-1.5g/kg) as Psyche mentioned.
Anyway, to get the point, am I going to kick myself out of ketosis or delay keto adaptation if I exceed 40g per day? Or is the key to not exceed 25g per meal to allow the body time to process the protein and not start converting that extra protein into glucose? I've been following the thread but couldn't find anything conclusive in that regard.
