Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
Hi All...
I hope this is the right place to post this, and that it's not considered 'noise', because I really want to understand. I'll get right to it.
Gregory James posted this status on Facebook:
"The world as you know it will soon be no more. Let if go. Drop your attachment to that which cannot be sustained. Do not evade your longing for Truth and genuineness. It is your yearning that connects you to the ability to draw deeper into an Awareness of your True Being. Why play with useless delusions? Why do you call them real? Your longing is predicated not on that which you want, but on that which you Are. The journey that you have begun cannot be stopped, therefore it must be embraced. You have the opportunity now to recognize your True Design — the Divine Architecture of your Root Origin. Your suffering is a product of having forgotten why you came. You may no longer afford to forget."
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I am pasting the brief thread of discussion that followed this, because I'm still confused. Someone else responded to my question, and this didn't really clarify things for me. I realize I'm not as far along the path as many here, and I do appreciate the feedback I receive, so your feedback is very welcome and most appreciated, because I do learn alot from what I read here.
I'm not getting what is meant by all of this below, so obviously, I'm missing something....
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Lisa Guliani: Gregory, isn't the suffering part of the learning process? I understand about letting go of delusions, things that aren't real.... What am I not getting here?
Michael Fuchs: Every moment is bliss i we can live from higher self...we are meant to live in this joyous state of consciousness 24/7 for bliss is none other than who we are in our soul...as brother gregory points out everything else is a delusion...thanls for the reminder...every step every breath bliss...grin anything which comes between us and this must be dropped transformed etc...a guide like master gregory is indispensible...
Lisa Guliani: Thank you for the comment. It was this sentence that I wonder about: "Your suffering is a product of having forgotten why you came." Doesn't the suffering factor into it as we learn to live from the higher self? I'm a little confused about this.
Michael Fuchs: Well i dont speak for him but my exp is though i have been there...i do still forget...so remembering is it...once we have a true exp of our soul even one time...then remembering is easier...again being in the prescence regularly or when possible of people who are truly there is so helpful...we are no less than god...truly...all is god...as jesus and all the great ones have taught...no judgement only acceptance of the love the truth the bliss...smile
Lisa Guliani: Thank you, that's a beautiful sentiment, but I'm still not sure I understand what was meant. I'll continue to think about it.
Michael Fuchs: Well you are right...the suffering is the lessons so we can remember....brother gregory is trying to help us...a shortcut...why suffer? Forget it...go with it...al energy doesnt just come from source...it is source! All energy! This is one of the secrets my teacher gave me...it was literally whispered in my ear...at the right time for me to understand...my buddhist teacher told me the truly enlightened person experiences torture the same as love and caresses...it is the same to them...divine bliss...when jesus christ was crucified he demonstrated this...he begged god to forgive the ones who did this...you see...they were only hurting themselves...not him...how could the true Son of God be hurt? Jesus was such an awesome teacher...so simple so perfect so profound...
Michael Fuchs: One of my favorite pieces of wisdom is from none other than yoda...train yourself to let go of that which you fear to lose the most...suffering is a delusion...any perceived suffering is actually gods love his teaching...though yes...it can be so hard to see and accept...amen...
Lisa Guliani: I'd like to think about this some more. Thank you for trying to clarify this for me.
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Questions:
1. Isn't the suffering part of the learning process, part of the lessons one must learn in order to grow and develop self-awareness and self-knowledge?
Gregory wrote: "Your suffering is a product of having forgotten why you came." I'm unclear as to what is meant by this sentence. It''s my understanding that suffering is part of learning the lessons we all need to learn, and suffering plays a role in the whole process as we engage in the Self-work. Am I misunderstanding the role of suffering in the whole scheme of things? My suffering is a product of having forgotten why I came? I thought my suffering is a product of the choices and decisions I've made, combined with my interactions with badly wired people and my own bad wiring.
2. If everything is lessons, and we seem to learn the most from those lessons that are harshest, or most painful, and we suffer, should we be taking this suggested shortcut?
If we take shortcuts, and just 'forget suffering', and just 'go with it', are we really going to learn what we need to learn from the lesson? Seems like cheating to me, but I've been wrong before and don't claim any special expertise here. I don't remember reading anything about taking shortcuts, bypassing the suffering part, which often IS the lesson, (seems to me) and shooting straight to the Bliss Zone. Can someone please point me in the right direction, because I'm puzzled about this as well.
Also, this mention of 'bliss' - well, I'm just not feelin' this bliss he speaks of, not yet, I'm not in this 'joyous state of consciousness'. If we are supposed to look objectively at the darkness as well as the light, and see what is happening in the world as it is, rather than the way we wish or want it to be ( insofar as we can see it), how does one look at all that is happening around us and feel a joyous state of consciousness? How does one look at what may well be coming ( thinking meteors, comets, asteroids here, thinking 'ice age', thinking 'nuclear war' - and live in a state of breathing bliss and joyousness?
Furthermore, this bothered me too: "....the truly enlightened person experiences torture the same as love and caresses...it is the same to them...divine bliss...when jesus christ was crucified he demonstrated this...he begged god to forgive the ones who did this...you see...they were only hurting themselves...not him...how could the true Son of God be hurt? Jesus was such an awesome teacher...so simple so perfect so profound..."
The truly enlightened person experiences torture the same as love and caresses? Divine bliss? What???
It would be a worthy goal, seems to me, to aspire to be more like Jesus, more "Christlike", but I am not Christ, and if I am, I am unaware of this completely.
Sorry if this is something I should be able to figure out myself by now, and I AM thinking about it, but I'm confused.
It seems to me that it's not really doing the 'work' if I'm going to take a 'shortcut' - and don't get me wrong, I don't like to suffer!! But I do know the value of learning the lessons, however painful they may be.
We may strive toward this 'perfection', this stated 'bliss', but is this something attainable realistically in this dimension by people engaged in doing the Work?
By anyone who seeks knowledge and answers?
Can anyone offer some insight on all this? While it sucks to be confused, and I feel kinda dumb to be stuck momentarily in this pot hole, confusion precedes clarity, at least on THIS forum, so... anybody?
And thank you in advance for taking the time to provide feedback.
Lisa
I hope this is the right place to post this, and that it's not considered 'noise', because I really want to understand. I'll get right to it.
Gregory James posted this status on Facebook:
"The world as you know it will soon be no more. Let if go. Drop your attachment to that which cannot be sustained. Do not evade your longing for Truth and genuineness. It is your yearning that connects you to the ability to draw deeper into an Awareness of your True Being. Why play with useless delusions? Why do you call them real? Your longing is predicated not on that which you want, but on that which you Are. The journey that you have begun cannot be stopped, therefore it must be embraced. You have the opportunity now to recognize your True Design — the Divine Architecture of your Root Origin. Your suffering is a product of having forgotten why you came. You may no longer afford to forget."
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I am pasting the brief thread of discussion that followed this, because I'm still confused. Someone else responded to my question, and this didn't really clarify things for me. I realize I'm not as far along the path as many here, and I do appreciate the feedback I receive, so your feedback is very welcome and most appreciated, because I do learn alot from what I read here.
I'm not getting what is meant by all of this below, so obviously, I'm missing something....
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Lisa Guliani: Gregory, isn't the suffering part of the learning process? I understand about letting go of delusions, things that aren't real.... What am I not getting here?
Michael Fuchs: Every moment is bliss i we can live from higher self...we are meant to live in this joyous state of consciousness 24/7 for bliss is none other than who we are in our soul...as brother gregory points out everything else is a delusion...thanls for the reminder...every step every breath bliss...grin anything which comes between us and this must be dropped transformed etc...a guide like master gregory is indispensible...
Lisa Guliani: Thank you for the comment. It was this sentence that I wonder about: "Your suffering is a product of having forgotten why you came." Doesn't the suffering factor into it as we learn to live from the higher self? I'm a little confused about this.
Michael Fuchs: Well i dont speak for him but my exp is though i have been there...i do still forget...so remembering is it...once we have a true exp of our soul even one time...then remembering is easier...again being in the prescence regularly or when possible of people who are truly there is so helpful...we are no less than god...truly...all is god...as jesus and all the great ones have taught...no judgement only acceptance of the love the truth the bliss...smile
Lisa Guliani: Thank you, that's a beautiful sentiment, but I'm still not sure I understand what was meant. I'll continue to think about it.
Michael Fuchs: Well you are right...the suffering is the lessons so we can remember....brother gregory is trying to help us...a shortcut...why suffer? Forget it...go with it...al energy doesnt just come from source...it is source! All energy! This is one of the secrets my teacher gave me...it was literally whispered in my ear...at the right time for me to understand...my buddhist teacher told me the truly enlightened person experiences torture the same as love and caresses...it is the same to them...divine bliss...when jesus christ was crucified he demonstrated this...he begged god to forgive the ones who did this...you see...they were only hurting themselves...not him...how could the true Son of God be hurt? Jesus was such an awesome teacher...so simple so perfect so profound...
Michael Fuchs: One of my favorite pieces of wisdom is from none other than yoda...train yourself to let go of that which you fear to lose the most...suffering is a delusion...any perceived suffering is actually gods love his teaching...though yes...it can be so hard to see and accept...amen...
Lisa Guliani: I'd like to think about this some more. Thank you for trying to clarify this for me.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Questions:
1. Isn't the suffering part of the learning process, part of the lessons one must learn in order to grow and develop self-awareness and self-knowledge?
Gregory wrote: "Your suffering is a product of having forgotten why you came." I'm unclear as to what is meant by this sentence. It''s my understanding that suffering is part of learning the lessons we all need to learn, and suffering plays a role in the whole process as we engage in the Self-work. Am I misunderstanding the role of suffering in the whole scheme of things? My suffering is a product of having forgotten why I came? I thought my suffering is a product of the choices and decisions I've made, combined with my interactions with badly wired people and my own bad wiring.
2. If everything is lessons, and we seem to learn the most from those lessons that are harshest, or most painful, and we suffer, should we be taking this suggested shortcut?
If we take shortcuts, and just 'forget suffering', and just 'go with it', are we really going to learn what we need to learn from the lesson? Seems like cheating to me, but I've been wrong before and don't claim any special expertise here. I don't remember reading anything about taking shortcuts, bypassing the suffering part, which often IS the lesson, (seems to me) and shooting straight to the Bliss Zone. Can someone please point me in the right direction, because I'm puzzled about this as well.
Also, this mention of 'bliss' - well, I'm just not feelin' this bliss he speaks of, not yet, I'm not in this 'joyous state of consciousness'. If we are supposed to look objectively at the darkness as well as the light, and see what is happening in the world as it is, rather than the way we wish or want it to be ( insofar as we can see it), how does one look at all that is happening around us and feel a joyous state of consciousness? How does one look at what may well be coming ( thinking meteors, comets, asteroids here, thinking 'ice age', thinking 'nuclear war' - and live in a state of breathing bliss and joyousness?
Furthermore, this bothered me too: "....the truly enlightened person experiences torture the same as love and caresses...it is the same to them...divine bliss...when jesus christ was crucified he demonstrated this...he begged god to forgive the ones who did this...you see...they were only hurting themselves...not him...how could the true Son of God be hurt? Jesus was such an awesome teacher...so simple so perfect so profound..."
The truly enlightened person experiences torture the same as love and caresses? Divine bliss? What???
It would be a worthy goal, seems to me, to aspire to be more like Jesus, more "Christlike", but I am not Christ, and if I am, I am unaware of this completely.
Sorry if this is something I should be able to figure out myself by now, and I AM thinking about it, but I'm confused.
It seems to me that it's not really doing the 'work' if I'm going to take a 'shortcut' - and don't get me wrong, I don't like to suffer!! But I do know the value of learning the lessons, however painful they may be.
We may strive toward this 'perfection', this stated 'bliss', but is this something attainable realistically in this dimension by people engaged in doing the Work?
By anyone who seeks knowledge and answers?
Can anyone offer some insight on all this? While it sucks to be confused, and I feel kinda dumb to be stuck momentarily in this pot hole, confusion precedes clarity, at least on THIS forum, so... anybody?
And thank you in advance for taking the time to provide feedback.
Lisa