Gluten abstinence

Hi all,

I'm seriously starting the diet, based on the recommendation of Mrs. Tigersoap article Le régime paléolithique revisité to do it orderly.
Took three days. Saturday consumed a small amount of gluten for infusion carrying take some barley. But otherwise, no wheat or other cereals.

Today I am going wrong. I have abstinence, I'm nervous and I can hardly think. I write about if you can provide some tips to take better, because it is being nasty. Suggestions, please?

Álvaro said:

Hi all,

I'm seriously starting the diet, based on the recommendation of Mrs. Tigersoap article Le régime paléolithique revisité to do it orderly.
Took three days. Saturday consumed a small amount of gluten for infusion carrying take some barley. But otherwise, no wheat or other cereals.

Today I am going wrong. I have abstinence, I'm nervous and I can hardly think. I write about if you can provide some tips to take better, because it is being nasty. Suggestions, please?

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I'd defiantly suggest to read through the Life Without Bread thread as that discusses a lot of the preparations and tips you can use along the way. In the meantime, supplementing with Vitamin C while getting rid of the gluten can help some with stabilizing the body as you adjust.

Álvaro said:

Today I am going wrong. I have abstinence, I'm nervous and I can hardly think. I write about if you can provide some tips to take better, because it is being nasty. Suggestions, please?

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Maybe three days was too short for you to suddenly stop having any gluten? Your system seems to be in a shock. The way I went about it, is switching to organic bread made with spelt of which I ate just a few slices of each day, gradually eating less and less of it, and then stopped having any gluten at all. Then I would only eat a couple of (non-gluten) buckwheat blini's for a while. And eventually I dropped all grains. So, maybe a more gradual way of going about eliminating gluten will be better for you? Not saying you should follow the same routine as I did though, but perhaps you can think of a smart plan to go about with it (based on some reading done)?

Another question I have is whether you also lowered your carbs when you stopped having gluten? Because that can be another stressful shock to the system.

I agree with Shane that reading the Life Without Bread can be very helpful!

Shane, I'm sure you meant "definitely", didn't you?

I notice a number of people making that particular typo. Wonder if it is an expression of something deep within?

Oxajil said:

Álvaro said:

Today I am going wrong. I have abstinence, I'm nervous and I can hardly think. I write about if you can provide some tips to take better, because it is being nasty. Suggestions, please?

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Maybe three days was too short for you to suddenly stop having any gluten? Your system seems to be in a shock. The way I went about it, is switching to organic bread made with spelt of which I ate just a few slices of each day, gradually eating less and less of it, and then stopped having any gluten at all. Then I would only eat a couple of (non-gluten) buckwheat blini's for a while. And eventually I dropped all grains. So, maybe a more gradual way of going about eliminating gluten will be better for you? Not saying you should follow the same routine as I did though, but perhaps you can think of a smart plan to go about with it (based on some reading done)?

Another question I have is whether you also lowered your carbs when you stopped having gluten? Because that can be another stressful shock to the system.

I agree with Shane that reading the Life Without Bread can be very helpful!

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Smoking is calming me, and I have taken vitamin C. Carbohydrates have not left by now, because I know it will pass then horrible. I've eaten some vegetables and dates, and a portion of black chocolate. Basically is gluten because I consumed sugar. Maybe eat some rice can go well?

I will read the thread of life without bread with more attention.

Thanks!

Basically is gluten because I consumed sugar.

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I meant that the problem is with the gluten and not with sugar, I think that.

Álvaro said:

Smoking is calming me, and I have taken vitamin C. Carbohydrates have not left by now, because I know it will pass then horrible. I've eaten some vegetables and dates, and a portion of black chocolate. Basically is gluten because I consumed sugar. Maybe eat some rice can go well?

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Yea so it must've been the gluten. I think a small amount of rice is okay if your feelings are getting worse. Rice does contain a tiny bit of gluten-like proteins though, but if it helps you for the moment with gradually letting go of gluten, I don't see why you shouldn't. You could also choose for wild rice (it looks black) which doesn't contain any gluten. Try to go for organic sources, if possible. Also don't forget to eat (good quality) meat with your dishes! And bone stock as well, have you read about it? You can find some threads discussing it when you do a search on it using the search function on the forum. Lastly, may I also suggest to try to be sparing with those dates, because they can be quite over-the-top sugary! Hope this helps.

Oxajil said:

Álvaro said:

Smoking is calming me, and I have taken vitamin C. Carbohydrates have not left by now, because I know it will pass then horrible. I've eaten some vegetables and dates, and a portion of black chocolate. Basically is gluten because I consumed sugar. Maybe eat some rice can go well?

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Yea so it must've been the gluten. I think a small amount of rice is okay if your feelings are getting worse. Rice does contain a tiny bit of gluten-like proteins though, but if it helps you for the moment with gradually letting go of gluten, I don't see why you shouldn't. You could also choose for wild rice (it looks black) which doesn't contain any gluten. Try to go for organic sources, if possible. Also don't forget to eat (good quality) meat with your dishes! And bone stock as well, have you read about it? You can find some threads discussing it when you do a search on it using the search function on the forum. Lastly, may I also suggest to try to be sparing with those dates, because they can be quite over-the-top sugary! Hope this helps.

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Thank you again. I will consider the recommendations.

Álvaro said:

Hi all,

I'm seriously starting the diet, based on the recommendation of Mrs. Tigersoap article Le régime paléolithique revisité to do it orderly.
Took three days. Saturday consumed a small amount of gluten for infusion carrying take some barley. But otherwise, no wheat or other cereals.

Today I am going wrong. I have abstinence, I'm nervous and I can hardly think. I write about if you can provide some tips to take better, because it is being nasty. Suggestions, please?

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Hey Alvaro,

eventually Atreides list could help you to keep an aim?

The List

Otherwise I don't know what Mrs. Tigersoap did already recommend, cause I cannot read French only what I did see she described a similar procedure as Laura did here, which seems to me a very good way to go:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22916.msg308827.html#msg308827

Gawan said:

Álvaro said:

Hi all,

I'm seriously starting the diet, based on the recommendation of Mrs. Tigersoap article Le régime paléolithique revisité to do it orderly.
Took three days. Saturday consumed a small amount of gluten for infusion carrying take some barley. But otherwise, no wheat or other cereals.

Today I am going wrong. I have abstinence, I'm nervous and I can hardly think. I write about if you can provide some tips to take better, because it is being nasty. Suggestions, please?

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Hey Alvaro,

eventually Atreides list could help you to keep an aim?

The List

Otherwise I don't know what Mrs. Tigersoap did already recommend, cause I cannot read French only what I did see she described a similar procedure as Laura did here, which seems to me a very good way to go:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22916.msg308827.html#msg308827

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Thanks for the links. I have understood that Mrs. Tigersoap collected Laura recommendations for writing this article, so it's the same. And thanks for the List, very interesting. For now I profane with the subject of diet, and I have to start this topic almost from the beginning to understand all this. I'll report on my progress on.

Álvaro said:

Thanks for the links. I have understood that Mrs. Tigersoap collected Laura recommendations for writing this article, so it's the same. And thanks for the List, very interesting. For now I profane with the subject of diet, and I have to start this topic almost from the beginning to understand all this. I'll report on my progress on.

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Hi Álvaro!

I'm really glad you have taken that step to follow the diet, yet I must say that IMHO it is really important to go as much as possible through the available material concerning Diet so you can understand the processes your body is going to pass through and know what to do during that time.

The topic "The Life Without Bread" is excellent because there are lots of experiences of the other members and as we are different, maybe you find some people who experience the changes in a similar way that you do.

Unfortunately, there isn't too much material in Spanish regarding the diet, but the book "The Paleo Solution" by Robb Wolf is available in Spanish and it has some pretty good info to begin with. Of course, as the article by Mrs. Tigersoap says, not one of all the different authors is 100% right according to the research and experiences here in the forum, but I think, as your language is Spanish, that reading the "La solución paleolítica" can be a good idea.

Regarding the abstinence problems... For me, pipe breathing was really helpful in dealing with cravings and anxiety when first starting to take out gluten, dairy and sugar. Maybe it can help you as well.

If you are following Mrs. Tigersoap article, you might know that it is importand to do it step by step, What she says is: First: take out all the grains; second: take out all the sugar; third: take out all the dairy products, and finally take out the coffee...

Also, I think it is important that while you take out some foods, you have to add some other (good fat)

And, supplementation can also help in the process of change, Mrs. Tigersoap talks a little about them but, again, there is a lot of info in the forum about that so just dig into it! ;)


My best wishes to you and I hope you keep us posted!

The main thing is to proceed one step at a time and give your body time to adjust to each step. We did it more or less by accident here because we were experimenting as we were gathering more information - and many others on the forum were following along trying things. Those who came along after and tried to just go cold turkey had way more problems.

Really, the very first thing to do is to just eliminate gluten in all its forms. That means you spend time practicing reading labels and excluding all those foods with wheat based ingredients. ALL. No exceptions. While you are doing this, don't worry so much about increasing meat or fat. Just eat your veggies steamed and salads and your regular amount of meat. We spent awhile replacing wheat products with sarrasin/buckwheat products. We even continued with natural jellies and syrups and fruits.

You should eliminate all nightshades at this time also.

After that, then you eliminate all dairy. Continue eating your veggies, regular portions of your usual meat or fish, you can keep on having your sarrasin pancakes, muffins, crepes, etc.

Then cut out all simple sugars. That means that the jellies and syrups and honey and so forth all have to go at this point. Continue veggies, meats, even sarrasin pancakes, crepes, sauces.

Then cut the sarrasin and all other grains including rice, beans, peas, lentils, etc. Now you are just eating a few veggies and meats. Put plenty of butter on your veggies and begin to increase your meat fats.

Then, gradually reduce the amount of veggies so that your carbs are under 70 per day. You can take that lower over time and experiment with what is right for you.

This process should take place over six months, at least. And that's just the basic plan of what we did though we did do it over a year or two. So believe me, do NOT rush it! There is a logic to it. It's a lot easier to give up all wheat if you can still have bread type products though made with buckwheat. After you give up the dairy and go along for awhile, you stop having many cravings because you are freed of the addiction to the opiods in wheat and dairy. Then it is easier each further step. And as your gut begins to heal (assuming it needs it which it does if you have been eating wheat and dairy), you become better nourished and you feel satisfied with less and fewer foods.

You may need supplements at times. That has to be watched carefully. You may need to consult with your doctor and get blood tests and so forth. But you have to remember that there is a huge disagreement among the scientists on the results of blood tests. More and more doctors are saying that high cholesterol of a certain type is actually good for you. So it is important to be fully aware of all the research and the different opinions and interpretations of that research.


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Thank you! One thing I would ask. My previous feeding was meat and wheat basically almost never ate vegetables or fruit, for example. Fish occasionally, did not drink milk, and lactose was taking it by the additives in some products, so I have no problem with that. My question is, for wheat detox, I eat vegetables? I mean like actually like before, only I removed wheat. I have to add other foods to remove then again during the process?

The Supplements I am taking vitamin C, spirulina, magnesium and melatonin.

Pardon my ignorance, I'm still learning and there are things I have not yet read.

Álvaro said:

Thank you! One thing I would ask. My previous feeding was meat and wheat basically almost never ate vegetables or fruit, for example. Fish occasionally, did not drink milk, and lactose was taking it by the additives in some products, so I have no problem with that. My question is, for wheat detox, I eat vegetables? I mean like actually like before, only I removed wheat. I have to add other foods to remove then again during the process?

The Supplements I am taking vitamin C, spirulina, magnesium and melatonin.

Pardon my ignorance, I'm still learning and there are things I have not yet read.

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If you did not eat vegetables before, they I don't think you have to start eating them now, the suggestion to continue eating them was based on the assumption that you were already eating them now.

Or so I think.

Mrs. Peel said:

Álvaro said:

Thank you! One thing I would ask. My previous feeding was meat and wheat basically almost never ate vegetables or fruit, for example. Fish occasionally, did not drink milk, and lactose was taking it by the additives in some products, so I have no problem with that. My question is, for wheat detox, I eat vegetables? I mean like actually like before, only I removed wheat. I have to add other foods to remove then again during the process?

The Supplements I am taking vitamin C, spirulina, magnesium and melatonin.

Pardon my ignorance, I'm still learning and there are things I have not yet read.

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If you did not eat vegetables before, they I don't think you have to start eating them now, the suggestion to continue eating them was based on the assumption that you were already eating them now.

Or so I think.

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It stands to reason. I guess the important thing is to focus on grains and sugar.