l apprenti de forgeron
The Living Force
l apprenti de forgeron said:
On that subject exist a video which is already massive (sorry if someone already had posted)
"No, I'm not going to the world cup":
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZApBgNQgKPU
Protests in Brazil
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On that subject exist a video which is already massive (sorry if someone already had posted)
"No, I'm not going to the world cup":
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZApBgNQgKPU
Courageous Inmate Sort said:
The government forces always send in agents provocateurs who pretend to be against the police. Brazil will be no different.
Yes, that's exactly what it is. They did this so much in the U.S. that most people there now believe that torturing people is ok.
I'm pretty sure this caught them completely by surprise. They backed down because they had no choice. But the situation has already moved way beyond that.
They don't understand that this isn't about the bus fare, just like the Turkish government doesn't understand that it isn't about the proposed mall in Gezi Park. This is about the survival of the ruling elites.
I think it's neither of those. It's just ordinary people who are fed up. But of course you will hear a lot of noise because the minority of 'ideological people', the people who believe, invent and repeat propaganda (lies) are the loudest because they own the media and can make it seem as if 'most' are not on the side of the ordinary protesters. The sight and sound of millions of people shouting and marching in unison has an extraordinarily powerful and magnetic effect on the limbic systems of humans. The psychopaths and their minions must say and do whatever it takes to prevent people from being swayed towards what they would naturally do - empathise with their fellow man.
Nah, it's the same side on the top doing the same old 'divide-and-conquer' routine.
Not of a political nature?? There isn't anything more political in the whole wide world than millions of people taking to the streets! It is the only true political expression - millions of humans speaking with one voice. Don't listen to the mainstream media, it's job is to hypnotize you, or at least try to keep you hypnotized.
Of course there was organization prior to the actual outbreak of protests, but revolutionary feeling has been brewing under all societies for many years now. Sometimes it has to be actively encouraged from above - especially when it doesn't exist at all, like in Libya in 2011 (the purpose there was to take out Gaddafi because he stood to gain most from North Africa falling out of American/NATO control) - but I'm pretty sure the Brazilian protests took off the way they did because a critical mass of discontent from below had been reached.
So, why now?
Why not! The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Time for a revolution. Who is going to benefit? Time will tell I guess.
In this situation, the Powers That Be won't relinquish control without a fight. So there will be bloodshed, but it might not descend into complete chaos if normal people can see what's going on and take control of the situation locally.
No, not unless a military leader with a conscience comes to power, like a Chavez or a Gaddafi. But that's very doubtful because I'm sure they've learned by now to watch out for and deal with 'troublemakers' rising through the military ranks.
They will probably try to manage the situation like they did in Egypt: just nod and say yes to everything, then just do the same as they've always done; put someone in power they can control.
I think we could see major upheaval in every country on the planet in the next year or two.
I wonder: if humanity cleans house 'down below', then maybe the cosmos won't have to 'up above'?...
Or maybe both happen in parallel, with one phenomenon being a reflection of the other?
Iron
Dagobah Resident
When the protests in Rio were in the slums, the BOPE was sent with orders to kill everything in sight. Many people disappeared in the last few days, suspected drug dealers and innocent alike. Lots were killed with combat knifes, withnesses report, and the bodies were taken elsewere on trucks as not to draw unwanted attention.
And despite all the countermaneuvers of the government and the promisses and instantaneous solutions to long standing issues, the protests continue.
And despite all the countermaneuvers of the government and the promisses and instantaneous solutions to long standing issues, the protests continue.
Courageous Inmate Sort
Jedi Master
l apprenti de forgeron, that's a great video. I had only seen an edited version. I think that the world cup first of all served to 'sell' Brazil even more to the international globalist elite by increasing the debt of the country and local municipalities. There were specific tax benefits conceded to foreign investors who would invest in infrastructure for the world cup and, of course, to the FIFA organization (tax exemption for most transactions). More recently there was the security upgrade because of World Cup and Confederations Cup, which reminds me a lot of the London Olympics.
Kniall, thanks a lot for the input. I need to think a bit more before commenting.
Kniall, thanks a lot for the input. I need to think a bit more before commenting.
Olesya
Jedi Master
Iron said:
From _http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/brazil-police-drug-traffickers-killed-favela-protest:
I don't know if this is what you meant in your post, Iron, but that's all I could find. From what I've read so far, it seems that last year Brazilian government started a huge militarized campaign of "cleaning" the major Brazilian cities favelas (slums) in preparation for the World cup and the Olympic games. So, it was basically a policy to scare (or kill) poor people and to make them accept all the changes the government had "envisioned" for them – being displaced, i.e. thrown out with no place to go, or being terrorized or killed by government forces. What a choice!
Thank you, for posting the video, l apprenti de forgeron. I liked it a lot.
On this topic of government abuse, from Rio on Watch website this http://rioonwatch.org/?p=9116, where favelas activists share their stories :
And that was a couple of month before the protests started (sorry, couldn't find the exact date of the meeting). And favelas are not as dangerous as government portrays them to be, at least not all of them. And great people live there! This unjustified violence by government forces can only be explained, osit, by their fear of seeing people united regardless of their socio-economic status, supporting each other in their fight to be treated with dignity.
Buddy
The Living Force
Wow! I think reply number 16 on this thread is some kind of literary classic - at least as it relates to the impression it made on me. From the influence of that post, I see people protesting from their intellectual understandings and motivations. And in terms of "limbic resonance" (thanks Kniall), I see a collective "stirring in their sleep." And I'm sure we all know what restless slumber often preconditions: an awakening.
l apprenti de forgeron
The Living Force
Buddy said:
I echo Buddy. Thank you very much Kniall!
I wish that this time the bloody revolts not only lead to a superficial change of authorities, institutional makeup, while the real system continues to operate. These masses and the role played by the impressions of the old revolutions (negative in their assessment more humanistic) as France and Russia, which gave way to bourgeoisies full of psychopaths who took the "divine power to print money" (taken from "Red Symphony") or international finance. How to prevent certain pathological take positions of power appears when total chaos? Perhaps the cosmos this time do not allow psychopaths continue to manipulate and lead the masses? I mean it will be obvious to everyone that psychopaths can not control nature?
Courageous Inmate Sort said:
Olesya said:
you're welcome! I think this girl is really defending the rights of Brazilians (I read that some complained that she probably lives abroad and just wants to rant against the government).
Courageous Inmate Sort
Jedi Master
Kniall, sorry for the delay, I'm much slower than I would like to be.
Certainly. And as it seems, there are also agent provocateurs sent by other forces, or other facets of the same elite. I recently saw articles stating the involvement of George Soros by funding the Free Pass Movement by means of AVAAZ, MoveOn.org and Change.org. Further, the Free Pass Movement was created amidst the World Social Forum, which receives funding from the likes of Ford Foundation and was itself created with the participation of Brazil's Labour Party, currently governing the country. Add to that that the Free Pass Movement seems to have received money directly from the Brazilian Government and it seems like a case of 'manufactured dissent', as mentioned in this article on Sott: http://www.sott.net/article/258024-Manufacturing-dissent-The-anti-globalization-movement-is-funded-by-the-corporate-elites. As you pointed out below, the protests have grown from that and maybe now have a life of their own, even though I think continued influence from the money masters is to be expected.
The Government has slightly broaden its stated understanding of the situation, as the recent move by Dilma Rouseff and the Ministry of Justice towards a political reform shows. But the reform still focus on minor adjustments to the current bureaucracy of the political proccess.
Nevertheless, the discourse by Government or Brazilian society at large has not yet reached - as far as I can see - the understanding that this is a movement against the ruling elites, even though there is some obvious influence from the Occupy movement, which has a clearer 99% x 1% motif.
The people have many dissatisfactions and demands, but I have a thought that the major 'push' is happening on the collective unconscious, if we can call it that. I believe it was discussed in the cognitive science threads that people don't usually know and can't explain why they are doing something. They do have their rationalizations, but they are unaware of the true reason. Perhaps the threshold has been reached unconsciously but has not yet fully surfaced to consciousness?
Surely there is a factor that through their wishfull thinking the elites are bringing it on themselves, such as we saw when there was police violence ('let's crush these people and be done with it') and then the protests grew exponentially. But still, the broadness of the protests in terms of cross-section of society and manifold reinvindications, as well as the interconnectedness and maybe feedback loop - in one month we had Turkey, Brazil and then the mega protest in Egypt - among the protests around the world bring to my mind this idea that much is working through the collective unconscious, osit.
Just as one example, I recently read this excerpt: "So what changed, other than an economic slowdown? Caio, one of the protesters on the Rio subway, said: "Not much. It's not that things got worse all of a sudden. It's just that many realize how screwed up they are. We come from centuries of social and economic inequality. And the fact that it was worse years ago is no consolation. Maybe before people didn't have the tools to do this. Or they were too busy working to make ends meet. Or they didn't think it would make a difference. Or they were scared. Now they think things can change."
It seems to me that this example is representative of what many protesters answer when questioned, in the sense that they don't actually know what has changed, why exactly they are there, or have many varied justifications, sometimes almost unrelated to each other. They just know, feel or perceive in some way that something is wrong and that they can now do something about it. This would tie in with your comment below about the limbic system, maybe even on a global scale, as people have information and imagery of protests around the world.
Thanks for pointing this out. Although I've thought about the divide-and-conquer concept I was still trying to figure out who was right. Maybe a vice of thought (black or white thinking) or just being caught on the discourse of right wing/conservatives x left wing/liberals that appears on the web, as mainstream media doesn't even go that far.
I think my difficulty here was that my main source of alternative news in Brazil has been _www.midiasemmascara.org, which is considered right-wing/conservative but seems to do a reasonably good job of analyzing political events and actually pointing out many problems that the mainstream media tries to hide and the many cases of disinformation etc. I already knew and tried to be on my guard regarding their strong christian bias, but I usually conceded to their political analysis, which has actually been similar to what Sott has reported on some international issues (they are even aware of Political Ponerology).
However, when discussing the protests they took a very strong position against it, claiming the protests to be manufactured. So far, it is reasonable. The problem, which I could only pinpoint after your post, is that they are also thinking in black or white terms because they are opposing the people on the streets. Even though they recognize that the protests have expanded to all kinds of reinvindications and a broad cross-section of society, they still antagonize all the participants for being duped into an incredibly high level revolutionary communist maneuver.
And here is where what you said made all the difference, if one sees that the truth is that psychopaths and their minions are preventing people from empathizing with each other, then regardless of whether the trigger for the protests had the intention of 'manufacturing dissent', one should not oppose their fellow man. On the contrary, if one has empathy it is not possible to disregard the suffering of another. Even if he has been duped into going into the streets, now he is being shot in the head by the police.
What I mean is, even if their analysis is correct, they are not correct to antagonize all the people that went to the streets. By doing this they are only advancing a division between people, it becomes all about choosing a side and badmouthing the other, or worse. In the end, everyone of us loses because while we're trying to figure out who is right among us, they - the psychopaths in power and their authoritarian followers - reap the rewards of a population weakened by distrust and hate.
For what is worth, it was through _midiasemmascara.org that I learned of the São Paulo Forum, which I mentioned in this post: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26315.msg315082.html#msg315082.
I must say that I became intrigued about this debate between political ideologies because I thought that if I could understand who does what, who controls whom etc. I would be able to see how the overreaching tentacles of the global elite are working in my country.
Just to clarify, I think they meant to say more in the sense of not being related to traditional political parties and institutions, but I completely agree with you. I don't usually watch mainstream media but I wanted to see what they were reporting to try to find clues, and they also had live feed video.
I would note that in Brazil the poor actually got less poor in the last decade and formed a new low-middle class and the old middle class got poorer. Maybe just a detail but I find it interesting because it seems both are on the streets.
I wonder how much normal people would need to see in terms of what's going on? I mean, they do have a perception of some kind that things are wrong and could be better, but most know nothing about psychopathy and even less about any possible cosmic connection. So, people could either learn of these things previously, by reading or being told, or actually learning them 'on the flesh' as the psychopaths go 'all out' in an attempt to retain control or even when the space rocks are raining down on their heads. It reminds me of something the Cs said about prior knowledge facilitating or reducing the pain of learning, even though everyone is going to learn eventually (sorry if I remembered it wrong).
Regarding taking control of the situation locally, that is interesting because it fits the profile of the protests, which are dispersed across hundreds and hundreds of cities. It would be a wonderful sight to see if local communities really took control of local politics, in the broadest sense of individuals taking care of each other, themselves and the environment in which they live.
But for that to happen I think that the security forces would have to side with the people instead of the government, which is likely to be a problem because it's the government that pays their salary and it is more likely than not that a whole bunch of security officers are actually authoritarian followers. The solution may be a cohesive mentality among the people to the point where security forces are cornered and have to back down, and then maybe they will side with the majority.
I've began to translate Life is Religion to Portuguese (one third done, more or less), maybe the knowledge contained therein will help the Brazilian people to be more human and disengage from psychopathic influences, thus increasing the chances of a better outcome? I'll post it in another thread.
Well, it seems that former president Lula has really bent over to their control, I've read somewhere during his office term that 'bankers have never been happier with Brazil'. And Dilma Rousseff is following the same path, although she does not have his charisma and sometimes acts somewhat truculent in world politics.
The Brazilian military seems to have been purposefully and systematically weakened, as they had a history of causing trouble. So, probably not much of a chance of someone arising out of their ranks.
I really don't know what to think of Chavez. He seem to have done good to its people, but has also been involved with the FARCs and the Castro brothers.
Well, for humanity to clean house 'down below' by itself, I would assume that humanity would have to have knowledge of what is really going on, on many levels, to then be able to clean it all up. I think that would be fantastic but, and maybe I'm being too negative, it seems that ignorance of what is true is still a large problem within society. So, I would guess that humanity consciously cleaning the house 'down below' without some cosmic help is not the most likely outcome.
On the other hand, considering that humanity may be affected by what is going on in the cosmos, I think it is more likely that humanity could clean house 'down below' as a reflection of what is happening in the universe around us, even if that is done through the collective unconscious. Perhaps there will be upheavals literally all over the world and the masses will bring down the elite and maybe during this process they will consciously understand what they unconsciously already knew. Or maybe it will all happen mechanically, without ever being fully brought to consciousness.
Of course, all of this imho at this moment and certainly subject to revision.
Kniall said:
Certainly. And as it seems, there are also agent provocateurs sent by other forces, or other facets of the same elite. I recently saw articles stating the involvement of George Soros by funding the Free Pass Movement by means of AVAAZ, MoveOn.org and Change.org. Further, the Free Pass Movement was created amidst the World Social Forum, which receives funding from the likes of Ford Foundation and was itself created with the participation of Brazil's Labour Party, currently governing the country. Add to that that the Free Pass Movement seems to have received money directly from the Brazilian Government and it seems like a case of 'manufactured dissent', as mentioned in this article on Sott: http://www.sott.net/article/258024-Manufacturing-dissent-The-anti-globalization-movement-is-funded-by-the-corporate-elites. As you pointed out below, the protests have grown from that and maybe now have a life of their own, even though I think continued influence from the money masters is to be expected.
The Government has slightly broaden its stated understanding of the situation, as the recent move by Dilma Rouseff and the Ministry of Justice towards a political reform shows. But the reform still focus on minor adjustments to the current bureaucracy of the political proccess.
Nevertheless, the discourse by Government or Brazilian society at large has not yet reached - as far as I can see - the understanding that this is a movement against the ruling elites, even though there is some obvious influence from the Occupy movement, which has a clearer 99% x 1% motif.
The people have many dissatisfactions and demands, but I have a thought that the major 'push' is happening on the collective unconscious, if we can call it that. I believe it was discussed in the cognitive science threads that people don't usually know and can't explain why they are doing something. They do have their rationalizations, but they are unaware of the true reason. Perhaps the threshold has been reached unconsciously but has not yet fully surfaced to consciousness?
Surely there is a factor that through their wishfull thinking the elites are bringing it on themselves, such as we saw when there was police violence ('let's crush these people and be done with it') and then the protests grew exponentially. But still, the broadness of the protests in terms of cross-section of society and manifold reinvindications, as well as the interconnectedness and maybe feedback loop - in one month we had Turkey, Brazil and then the mega protest in Egypt - among the protests around the world bring to my mind this idea that much is working through the collective unconscious, osit.
Just as one example, I recently read this excerpt: "So what changed, other than an economic slowdown? Caio, one of the protesters on the Rio subway, said: "Not much. It's not that things got worse all of a sudden. It's just that many realize how screwed up they are. We come from centuries of social and economic inequality. And the fact that it was worse years ago is no consolation. Maybe before people didn't have the tools to do this. Or they were too busy working to make ends meet. Or they didn't think it would make a difference. Or they were scared. Now they think things can change."
It seems to me that this example is representative of what many protesters answer when questioned, in the sense that they don't actually know what has changed, why exactly they are there, or have many varied justifications, sometimes almost unrelated to each other. They just know, feel or perceive in some way that something is wrong and that they can now do something about it. This would tie in with your comment below about the limbic system, maybe even on a global scale, as people have information and imagery of protests around the world.
[bold is mine]
Thanks for pointing this out. Although I've thought about the divide-and-conquer concept I was still trying to figure out who was right. Maybe a vice of thought (black or white thinking) or just being caught on the discourse of right wing/conservatives x left wing/liberals that appears on the web, as mainstream media doesn't even go that far.
I think my difficulty here was that my main source of alternative news in Brazil has been _www.midiasemmascara.org, which is considered right-wing/conservative but seems to do a reasonably good job of analyzing political events and actually pointing out many problems that the mainstream media tries to hide and the many cases of disinformation etc. I already knew and tried to be on my guard regarding their strong christian bias, but I usually conceded to their political analysis, which has actually been similar to what Sott has reported on some international issues (they are even aware of Political Ponerology).
However, when discussing the protests they took a very strong position against it, claiming the protests to be manufactured. So far, it is reasonable. The problem, which I could only pinpoint after your post, is that they are also thinking in black or white terms because they are opposing the people on the streets. Even though they recognize that the protests have expanded to all kinds of reinvindications and a broad cross-section of society, they still antagonize all the participants for being duped into an incredibly high level revolutionary communist maneuver.
And here is where what you said made all the difference, if one sees that the truth is that psychopaths and their minions are preventing people from empathizing with each other, then regardless of whether the trigger for the protests had the intention of 'manufacturing dissent', one should not oppose their fellow man. On the contrary, if one has empathy it is not possible to disregard the suffering of another. Even if he has been duped into going into the streets, now he is being shot in the head by the police.
What I mean is, even if their analysis is correct, they are not correct to antagonize all the people that went to the streets. By doing this they are only advancing a division between people, it becomes all about choosing a side and badmouthing the other, or worse. In the end, everyone of us loses because while we're trying to figure out who is right among us, they - the psychopaths in power and their authoritarian followers - reap the rewards of a population weakened by distrust and hate.
For what is worth, it was through _midiasemmascara.org that I learned of the São Paulo Forum, which I mentioned in this post: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26315.msg315082.html#msg315082.
I must say that I became intrigued about this debate between political ideologies because I thought that if I could understand who does what, who controls whom etc. I would be able to see how the overreaching tentacles of the global elite are working in my country.
Just to clarify, I think they meant to say more in the sense of not being related to traditional political parties and institutions, but I completely agree with you. I don't usually watch mainstream media but I wanted to see what they were reporting to try to find clues, and they also had live feed video.
I would note that in Brazil the poor actually got less poor in the last decade and formed a new low-middle class and the old middle class got poorer. Maybe just a detail but I find it interesting because it seems both are on the streets.
[bold is mine]
I wonder how much normal people would need to see in terms of what's going on? I mean, they do have a perception of some kind that things are wrong and could be better, but most know nothing about psychopathy and even less about any possible cosmic connection. So, people could either learn of these things previously, by reading or being told, or actually learning them 'on the flesh' as the psychopaths go 'all out' in an attempt to retain control or even when the space rocks are raining down on their heads. It reminds me of something the Cs said about prior knowledge facilitating or reducing the pain of learning, even though everyone is going to learn eventually (sorry if I remembered it wrong).
Regarding taking control of the situation locally, that is interesting because it fits the profile of the protests, which are dispersed across hundreds and hundreds of cities. It would be a wonderful sight to see if local communities really took control of local politics, in the broadest sense of individuals taking care of each other, themselves and the environment in which they live.
But for that to happen I think that the security forces would have to side with the people instead of the government, which is likely to be a problem because it's the government that pays their salary and it is more likely than not that a whole bunch of security officers are actually authoritarian followers. The solution may be a cohesive mentality among the people to the point where security forces are cornered and have to back down, and then maybe they will side with the majority.
I've began to translate Life is Religion to Portuguese (one third done, more or less), maybe the knowledge contained therein will help the Brazilian people to be more human and disengage from psychopathic influences, thus increasing the chances of a better outcome? I'll post it in another thread.
Well, it seems that former president Lula has really bent over to their control, I've read somewhere during his office term that 'bankers have never been happier with Brazil'. And Dilma Rousseff is following the same path, although she does not have his charisma and sometimes acts somewhat truculent in world politics.
The Brazilian military seems to have been purposefully and systematically weakened, as they had a history of causing trouble. So, probably not much of a chance of someone arising out of their ranks.
I really don't know what to think of Chavez. He seem to have done good to its people, but has also been involved with the FARCs and the Castro brothers.
Well, for humanity to clean house 'down below' by itself, I would assume that humanity would have to have knowledge of what is really going on, on many levels, to then be able to clean it all up. I think that would be fantastic but, and maybe I'm being too negative, it seems that ignorance of what is true is still a large problem within society. So, I would guess that humanity consciously cleaning the house 'down below' without some cosmic help is not the most likely outcome.
On the other hand, considering that humanity may be affected by what is going on in the cosmos, I think it is more likely that humanity could clean house 'down below' as a reflection of what is happening in the universe around us, even if that is done through the collective unconscious. Perhaps there will be upheavals literally all over the world and the masses will bring down the elite and maybe during this process they will consciously understand what they unconsciously already knew. Or maybe it will all happen mechanically, without ever being fully brought to consciousness.
Of course, all of this imho at this moment and certainly subject to revision.
Courageous Inmate Sort
Jedi Master
A video from the New Democracy newspaper about what happened last Sunday, June 30, in Rio de Janeiro during the final game of the Confederations Cup:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdAxizHwiOs&feature=youtu.be
At around 2:25 in the video there is a young woman trembling, she also appears barely walking in the second video, probably feeling sick from the teargas. At around 3:05 you can see policemen starting to shoot without any visible sign of violence from demonstrators.
Here is a translated transcript:
Here is another video of the same incident: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HULpvtHRqrg
This is what the wounded man is saying at around 2 minutes: "We came marching from ... and entered the São Francisco Xavier, when we got here we were doing a pacific protest, no one had attacked the police but they began to shoot bombs to disperse the crowd and I was the lucky one this time. I'm a teacher and this is the treatment that I receive from the government of the state of Rio de Janeiro."
And the woman at 3 minutes: "I was in the front and all we did was scream, and they started throwing [teargas]. To me that is vandalism. That is what you have to record, and not only when people go around and break the city, because what they [the police] do is much worse. Do I look like a vandal? I don't think so."
At the end the people are screaming "Hey Cabral, go F* yourself".
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdAxizHwiOs&feature=youtu.be
At around 2:25 in the video there is a young woman trembling, she also appears barely walking in the second video, probably feeling sick from the teargas. At around 3:05 you can see policemen starting to shoot without any visible sign of violence from demonstrators.
Here is a translated transcript:
Here is another video of the same incident: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HULpvtHRqrg
This is what the wounded man is saying at around 2 minutes: "We came marching from ... and entered the São Francisco Xavier, when we got here we were doing a pacific protest, no one had attacked the police but they began to shoot bombs to disperse the crowd and I was the lucky one this time. I'm a teacher and this is the treatment that I receive from the government of the state of Rio de Janeiro."
And the woman at 3 minutes: "I was in the front and all we did was scream, and they started throwing [teargas]. To me that is vandalism. That is what you have to record, and not only when people go around and break the city, because what they [the police] do is much worse. Do I look like a vandal? I don't think so."
At the end the people are screaming "Hey Cabral, go F* yourself".
Courageous Inmate Sort said:
Slow is very good when you're thinking about a situation. I enjoyed reading your post and like the way you're trying to look at the situation from all angles. I've nothing to add at the moment except to point to this:
http://www.sott.net/article/263535-Cosmic-surprise-Fireball-with-comet-like-tail-streaks-over-Brazil-18-June-2013
I'm wondering, is it just symbolic that this happened as the protests peaked?... Or is there a direct - possibly electrical/informational - connection?
Courageous Inmate Sort
Jedi Master
Kniall said:
It was actually entertaining to think about all of the great points you made, learning is indeed fun!
I started a thread about that fireball event here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31705.0.html
I'm trying to pick up more clues besides the videos to see if it is possible to come to a good hypothesis about whether it was a meteorite or space junk as has been claimed. I saw your links to two other fireball events in Brazil, that would make a total of four in one year! I'm going to check them out later. By the way, for the sake of brevity I've registered as CIS on Sott.
Even without further evidence, it is a huge coincidence that the sightings occurred on the day the protests 'exploded' in size, is it not?
If further research indicates that it was really a meteorite, I would tend to the direct electrical/informational connection, considering the latest sessions with the Cs. But even if symbolic, that's one bright symbol!
There have also been some earth changes around here, such as a sinkhole in the city of Campinas on June 06, 2013 (video here: _http://mais.uol.com.br/view/jinmcnm98vmk/cratera-gigante-se-abre-em-rua-de-campinas-sp-assista-0402CD1B3164E0A14326?types=A&). The June 18, 2013 fireball was also seen from Campinas, as well as the August 2012 fireball.
