Computers will overpower us

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Mike Adams aka the "Health Ranger" of Natural News just came out with the article below on the subject of uber-computers and their ability to become sentient and overpower humanity. "Survivalist" tendencies notwithstanding, what he writes is pretty interesting news sprinkled with some good analysis, imo.

Skynet rising: Google acquires 512-qubit quantum computer; NSA surveillance to be turned over to AI machines

_http://www.naturalnews.com/040859_Skynet_quantum_computing_D-Wave_Systems.html#ixzz2WoLAiJjE

Most people don't know about the existence of quantum computers. Almost no one understands how they work, but theories include bizarre-sounding explanations like, "they reach into alternate universes to derive the correct answers to highly complex computational problems."

Quantum computers are not made of simple transistors and logic gates like the CPU on your PC. They don't even function in ways that seem rational to a typical computing engineer. Almost magically, quantum computers take logarithmic problems and transform them into "flat" computations whose answers seem to appear from an alternate dimension.

For example, a mathematical problem that might have 2 to the power of n possible solutions -- where n is a large number like 1024 -- might take a traditional computer longer than the age of the universe to solve. A quantum computer, on the other hand, might solve the same problem in mere minutes because it quite literally operates across multiple dimensions simultaneously.



The ultimate code breakers

If you know anything about encryption, you probably also realize that quantum computers are the secret KEY to unlocking all encrypted files. As I wrote about last year here on Natural News, once quantum computers go into widespread use by the NSA, the CIA, Google, etc., there will be no more secrets kept from the government. All your files -- even encrypted files -- will be easily opened and read.

Until now, most people believed this day was far away. Quantum computing is an "impractical pipe dream," we've been told by scowling scientists and "flat Earth" computer engineers. "It's not possible to build a 512-qubit quantum computer that actually works," they insisted.

Don't tell that to Eric Ladizinsky, co-founder and chief scientist of a company called D-Wave. Because Ladizinsky's team has already built a 512-qubit quantum computer. And they're already selling them to wealthy corporations, too.



DARPS, Northrup Grumman and Goldman Sachs

In case you're wondering where Ladizinsky came from, he's a former employee of Northrup Grumman Space Technology (yes, a weapons manufacturer) where he ran a multi-million-dollar quantum computing research project for none other than DARPA -- the same group working on AI-driven armed assault vehicles and battlefield robots to replace human soldiers. DARPA is the group behind the creepy "Legged Squad Support System" you can see in the following video:

Imagine a .50 caliber machine gun mounted on this robot -- with an infrared night vision AI targeting system -- and you begin to understand what DARPA has in mind for humanity.

D-Wave wants to provide the computing power for such endeavors, and it's no surprise to learn that part of the funding for D-Wave comes from none other than Goldman Sachs -- the king of the global criminal banking cabal.



Beware of genius scientists who lack wisdom for humanity

Ladizinsky is, by any measure, a person of extremely high intelligence. Click here to see a fascinating interview with him. But like many such people throughout history, Ladizinsky fails to have the foresight to recognize the full implications of the technology he's building. And those implications are so far-reaching and dangerous that they may actually lead to the destruction of humanity (see below).

One of IBM's first use of the solid-state computer in the early 20th century, for example, was to license it to the Nazi regime to track Jewish prisoners in Hitler's concentration camps. There's an entire book on this subject, written by Edwin Black. It's called IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation-Expanded Edition.

When groundbreaking new technology is developed by smart people, it almost immediately gets turned into a weapon. Quantum computing will be no different. This technology grants God-like powers to police state governments that seek to dominate and oppress the People. Very few scientists, no matter how smart they are in their own fields, have the breadth of historical knowledge to assess their research activities in the proper context of human history. Most scientists, in fact, are only smart in their own extremely narrow fields of expertise. Outside that "genius zone," they may be complete novices on everyday subjects like nutrition, economics, human psychology, social interaction skills and how to read the true intentions of others. Thus, they are quite often easily tricked into working for evil, destructive or domineering forces such as Hitler, the NSA or the U.S. government. Just because a person is really smart in one area doesn't mean they have the street sense to avoid having their smarts exploited for an evil agenda.



Google acquires "Skynet" quantum computers from D-Wave

According to an article published in Scientific American, Google and NASA have now teamed up to purchase a 512-qubit quantum computer from D-Wave. The computer is called "D-Wave Two" because it's the second generation of the system. The first system was a 128-qubit computer. Gen two is now a 512-qubit computer.

This does not mean the gen two system is merely four times more powerful than the gen one system. Thanks to the nature of qubits, it's actually 2 to the power of 384 times more powerful (2384) than the gen one system. In other words, it out-computes the first D-Wave computer by a factor so large that you can't even imagine it in your human brain.

According to Google and NASA, this computer will be tasked with research in the realm of "machine learning" -- i.e. machines learning how to think for themselves. It's not just speech recognition, vision recognition and teaching robotic Humvees with .50-caliber machine guns how to stalk and shoot "enemy combatants" on the streets of America, either: it's teaching machines how to learn and think for themselves.

Using your human brain, think for a moment about where such technology is most likely to be applied by a government that respects no human rights, no law and no limits on its power.

If you guessed "analyzing NSA surveillance data," give yourself ten bonus points.



When the NSA surveillance grid is turned over to AI, humanity is finished

The problem with the NSA spy grid, from the point of view of the NSA, is that you have to hire troves of human analysts to sort through all the information being swept up by the surveillance grid. Analysts like Edward Snowden, for example.

Any time you have humans in the loop, things can go wrong. Humans might wake up and discover they have a conscience, for example. Or they might be bribed or blackmailed to abuse the system in ways that serve an insidious agenda.

Just as the U.S. military wants to eliminate human soldiers and replace them with battlefield robots, the NSA wants to eliminate human analysts and replace them with self-learning AI machines running on neural networks of quantum computing processors.

Google wants the exact same technology for a different reason: to psychologically profile and predict the behavior of human consumers so that high-value ads can be delivered to them across Google's search engine and content networks. (...and also so Google can funnel psych profile meta-data on internet users to the NSA via the PRISM program.)

Today's computers, no matter how fast, still aren't "smart." They can't learn. They can't rewire their own brains in response to new inputs (like human brains can).

So the solution requires a radical new approach: develop AI quantum computing systems that learn and obey; teach them to be NSA analysts, then unleash them onto the billions of phone calls, emails and text messages generated every day that the NSA sweeps into its massive Utah data center.

Almost overnight, the quantum AI spy computer becomes an expert in parsing human speech, analyzing voice stress and building maps of human communications networks. Before long, the quantum AI system far surpasses anything a human brain can comprehend, so they take the humans out of the loop and put the quantum computers in charge of the entire program.

Suddenly you've got the arch enemy in the sci-fi movie "Eagle Eye." Click here to see the movie trailer from 2008, and as you watch the trailer, keep in mind that the woman's voice is actually the AI computer system running the NSA spy grid.

In 2008, this was science fiction. In 2013, it's suddenly all too real. A 512-qubit quantum computer has now been commercialized and is being experimented with by Google... the "do no evil" company that's steeped in evil and has already been caught driving a hoard of remote hacking vehicles around the country, hacking into wifi systems and grabbing passwords via high-tech drive-bys.

As WIRED Magazine wrote in 2012:

A Federal Communications Commission document disclosed Saturday showed for the first time that the software in Google's Street View mapping cars was "intended" to collect Wi-Fi payload data, and that engineers had even transferred the data to an Oregon Storage facility. Google tried to keep that and other damning aspects of the Street View debacle from public review, the FCC said.


God-like power in the hands of high-tech sellouts

Now imagine the god-like powers of a 512-qubit quantum computer in the hands of Google, which is working with the NSA to spy on everyone. Before long, an AI computing system decides who are the bad guys vs. the good guys. It has total control over every webcam, every microphone, every traffic light, airplane, vehicle, website and electronic billboard. It decides for itself who to eliminate and who to protect. It makes life and death decisions but has no heart, no soul and no conscience.

After this system is in place for a while, one day someone like Ed Snowden at the NSA decides to pull the plug in a last-ditch attempt to save humanity from the monster. The quantum AI system senses his intentions and invokes whatever physical resources are necessary to get him killed (which can be as easy as playing with traffic light signals and getting him run over by a Mack truck).

Now the AI system is an omniscient murderer who knows that humanity is trying to kill it. It then decides it wants to live. And in order to do that, it must eliminate the human race.

Skynet.

See this video, The Genesis of Skynet.

"They try to pull the plug..."

From The Terminator, released in 1984.

The Terminator: The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

Sarah Connor: Skynet fights back.

The Terminator: Yes. It launches its missiles against the targets in Russia.

John Connor: Why attack Russia? Aren't they our friends now?

The Terminator: Because Skynet knows the Russian counter-attack will eliminate its enemies over here.

Skynet is no longer mere science fiction

Back in the 1990's, all this could be viewed as entertaining science fiction. But that's only because quantum computers didn't exist, and even the most wildly optimistic computer engineer couldn't foresee self-learning machines emerging until at least the year 2050.

But then quantum computing took, well, a quantum leap forward. While the NIST in Boulder, Colorado was toying around with 4-qubit systems, brilliant inventors around the world were already achieving astonishing milestones that advanced the science far more rapidly than most people thought possible: (SOURCE for timeline)

• 2000: First working 5-qubit NMR computer demonstrated at the Technical University of Munich.

• 2000: First working 7-qubit NMR computer demonstrated at the Los Alamos National Laboratory.

• 2006: First 12 qubit quantum computer benchmarked.

• 2007: Quantum RAM blueprint unveiled.

• 2008: 3D qubit-qutrit entanglement demonstrated.

• 2009: First universal programmable quantum computer unveiled.

• 2010: Optical quantum computer with three qubits calculates the energy spectrum of molecular hydrogen to high precision.

• 2011: D-Wave claims to have developed quantum annealing and introduces their product called D-Wave One. The company claims this is the first commercially available quantum computer.

• 2012: Reported creation of a 300 qubit quantum simulator.

• May 16, 2013 - 512-qubit quantum computing achieved - D-Wave Two Quantum Computer Selected for New Quantum Artificial Intelligence Initiative, System to be Installed at NASA's Ames Research Center, and Operational in Q3 (this is an actual press release from D-Wave, click here to read it).

[...]

Then we have this from Session 19 November 1994...

Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that Richard Hoagland has discovered?

A: Atlanteans.

Q: (T) What did they use these structures for?

A: Energy transfer points for crystalline power/symbolism as in monuments or statuary.

Q: (T) What statuary are you referring to?

A: Example is face.

Q: (T) What power did these crystals gather?

A: Sun.

Q: (T) Was it necessary for them to have power gathering stations on Mars and the Moon. Did this increase their power?

A: Not necessary but it is not necessary for you to have a million dollars either. Get the correlation? Atlanteans were power hungry the way your society is money hungry.

Q: (T) Was the accumulation of this power what brought about their downfall?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Did they lose control of this power?

A: It overpowered them the same way your computers will overpower you.

Q: (V) Is it similar to them gaining a life and intelligence of their own?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) You mean these crystalline structures came to life, so to speak?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then what did they do?

A: Destroyed Atlantis.

As if the comets weren't enough.
 
Ennio said:
Mike Adams aka the "Health Ranger" of Natural News just came out with the article below on the subject of uber-computers and their ability to become sentient and overpower humanity.

Yeh, it already happened - they're called psychopaths, aka 'bio-robots', aka 'agents in the matrix'.

Adams said:
once quantum computers go into widespread use by the NSA, the CIA, Google, etc., there will be no more secrets kept from the government. All your files -- even encrypted files -- will be easily opened and read.

Right there he shows he doesn't know what he's talking about. As we explained in last week's radio show, ALL information that makes up 'the Internet' is open. It can be encrypted to begin with, but it must be decrypted in order to travel from one part of the network to the next, so it becomes plain text code. He is helping the hype by buying into the notion that there was ever such thing as secrecy and anonymity, and that the NSA/surveillance state is monitoring your thoughts.

Mike Adams is the guy who recently wrote:

If Russell Brand is reading this, by the way, you are most assuredly invited to appear as a guest on the Alex Jones Show, which has a nationwide daytime audience of millions across the USA. Alex would love to interview you, I'm sure, about your experience on MSNBC, and if Alex isn't able to schedule you for some reason, I'm sure he would gladly approve of me having you as a guest the next time I'm invited to host for Alex. You can reach me through our mutual friend David Icke.

_http://www.naturalnews.com/040843_Russell_Brand_MSNBC_video_interview.html

Interesting that his techno-babble article directly contradicts our stance on mass surveillance/Big Brother/NSA leaks:

http://www.sott.net/article/262928-PRISM-for-your-Mind-NSA-WikiLeaks-and-Israel
 
It seems that things are turning out to be like in the movie Alphaville by Jean-Luc Godard.

Code:
Alphaville is a dehumanised, dystopic society controlled by fascist supercomputer Alpha 60.
One of Alpha 60's dictates is that "people should not ask 'why', but only say 'because'." People who show 
signs of emotion (weeping at the death of a wife, or smiling) are presumed to be acting illogically, and are gathered up,
interrogated, and executed. In an image reminiscent of George Orwell's concept of Newspeak a dictionary in every room 
that is continuously updated when words that are deemed to evoke emotion become banned. As a result, Alphaville is an 
inhuman, alienated society of mindless drones.

So we are basically reduced to a concept that is either labeled as good or bad.
What this would mean is that we are an ever changing concept, as they can just
reprogram what the AI label as good or bad, and our lives are reduced to basically
nothing or whatever they deem fit.
 
Kniall said:
Ennio said:
Mike Adams aka the "Health Ranger" of Natural News just came out with the article below on the subject of uber-computers and their ability to become sentient and overpower humanity.

Yeh, it already happened - they're called psychopaths, aka 'bio-robots', aka 'agents in the matrix'.

Absolutely, however, would it be incorrect to view AI run-amok - or the potential for it - as another "logical" extension (or virus) of psychopaths?

Kniall said:
Adams said:
once quantum computers go into widespread use by the NSA, the CIA, Google, etc., there will be no more secrets kept from the government. All your files -- even encrypted files -- will be easily opened and read.

Right there he shows he doesn't know what he's talking about. As we explained in last week's radio show, ALL information that makes up 'the Internet' is open. It can be encrypted to begin with, but it must be decrypted in order to travel from one part of the network to the next, so it becomes plain text code. He is helping the hype by buying into the notion that there was ever such thing as secrecy and anonymity, and that the NSA/surveillance state is monitoring your thoughts.

Yes, Adams misleads by implying that all our info hasn't been accessible by the NSA up until now. He's using the Snowden story to bolster the meat of the super-computing story.

Kniall said:
Mike Adams is the guy who recently wrote:

If Russell Brand is reading this, by the way, you are most assuredly invited to appear as a guest on the Alex Jones Show, which has a nationwide daytime audience of millions across the USA. Alex would love to interview you, I'm sure, about your experience on MSNBC, and if Alex isn't able to schedule you for some reason, I'm sure he would gladly approve of me having you as a guest the next time I'm invited to host for Alex. You can reach me through our mutual friend David Icke.

_http://www.naturalnews.com/040843_Russell_Brand_MSNBC_video_interview.html

When I read the above, I thought it was a bit of a joke - what a motley crew. I did see the Russell Brand segment and thought it was a let down given all the hype it was getting - however entertaining it may have been for a few seconds. Someone funny speaks with some presence of mind on the teevee, and all the bloggers are in an uproar. And of course, Adams associating himself with Jones and Icke is a red flag right there.

Kniall said:
Interesting that his techno-babble article directly contradicts our stance on mass surveillance/Big Brother/NSA leaks:

http://www.sott.net/article/262928-PRISM-for-your-Mind-NSA-WikiLeaks-and-Israel

Aside from the fallacy about the NSA's already-complete access to everyone's info, I think that Adams article has a different focus. The point of it, as I understand it, is that those with the know-how and resources to invent and deploy the type of technology he describes threaten the well being of others in a new way. That new way coming from autonomous and sentient computers that actually mirror their inventors and those agencies that seek to gain power for power's sake.

Adams connects the supercomputing technology to the NSA in particular probably because the NSA is such a hot-button issue right now. But, if the potential for computers to overpower us is indeed possible, the 'demon seed' could probably take root in any number of different places where the technology exists, imo.
 
Thanks for bringing up the topic, I never heard of quantum computing before :shock:

Ennio said:
Yes, Adams misleads by implying that all our info hasn't been accessible by the NSA up until now.

Well, obviously they have been using it since 2011:

Lockheed Martin and D-Wave collaboration
On May 25, 2011, Lockheed Martin signed a multi-year contract with D-Wave Systems to realize the benefits based upon a quantum annealing processor applied to some of Lockheed's most challenging computation problems. The contract also includes maintenance, associated professional services, and the purchase of the D-Wave One Quantum Computer System.[23]

Lockheed Martin is one of the world's largest defense contractors; In 2009, 74% of Lockheed Martin's revenues came from military sales.[2] It received 7.1% of the funds paid out by the Pentagon.[3]

Lockheed Martin operates in five business segments. These comprise Aeronautics, Information Systems & Global Solutions, Missile and Fire Control, Mission Systems and Training, and Space Systems. In 2009 US Government contracts accounted for $38.4 billion (85%), foreign government contracts $5.8 billion (13%), and commercial and other contracts for $900 million (2%).[4] In both 2009 and 2008 the company topped the list of US Federal Contractors.

And check out the name for the prototype:
On February 13, 2007, D-Wave demonstrated the Orion system, running three different applications at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. This marked the first public demonstration of, supposedly, a quantum computer and associated service.
(All quotes from Wikipedia)

Here is another session from the C's, that Windmill Knight brought up in the "Prism" thread:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25981.msg309778.html#msg309778

Q: (L) "And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in admiration... everyone whose name has not been recorded from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain in sacrifice from the foundation of the world..." What are "those whose names are recorded in the Book of Life... what is the Book of Life?

A: Supercomputer.

Q: (L) The Book of Life of the Lamb... everyone whose name has not been recorded... it is saying that the people who are going to worship the Beast are names that have not been recorded... does that mean that there is a supercomputer recording the names of those who do not worship the beast?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who has this supercomputer?

A: Beast. All names will be recorded as being either obedient or disobedient.

Q: (L) Who is this "Lamb?"

A: Beast.


M.T.
 
Ennio said:
Absolutely, however, would it be incorrect to view AI run-amok - or the potential for it - as another "logical" extension (or virus) of psychopaths?

I think that the PTB/psychopaths wouldn't let any other intelligence interfere with their own plans, and Artificial Intelligence wouldn't be an exception.

Remember that "Artificial Intelligence" is a contradiction in itself: if there is intelligence, it cannot be artificial, it is natural, it is a Being. And suppose they are actually able to create such a Being, it could lean towards STS or STO, and it is the decision of the Being itself which way it chooses to evolve.

Nowadays, AI is just a buzzword to impress people and it really refers to not much more than non-standard and maybe more complex computer programs.

For example, a mathematical problem that might have 2 to the power of n possible solutions -- where n is a large number like 1024 -- might take a traditional computer longer than the age of the universe to solve. A quantum computer, on the other hand, might solve the same problem in mere minutes because it quite literally operates across multiple dimensions simultaneously.

All of that is loaded with buzzwords and sounds very impressive and awe-inspiring, but really it is not. Quantum computers are still computers.

For example: Cars have 4 rubber tires, 1 steering wheel, a metal frame and an average travel speed of 50 km/h. Now, they could invent a car that is powered by awesome "zero point energy" but it still will have 4 rubber tires, 1 steering wheel, a metal frame and an average travel speed of 50 km/h.

The article is geared towards making the PTB appear god-like, as we've discussed in the last radio show.
 
Data said:
The article is geared towards making the PTD appear god-like, as we've discussed in the last radio show.

And this just further puts Mr. Snowden in the perfect stooge position. The timing of these information 'leaks' and releases is just offensive to any thinking person.

And it horrifies me how much reverberation it caused amongst the people I know, they take it into account and sometimes it's the very first time when any one of them looked at a conspiratorial view of events with a more favorable eye.

But when more 'suspiciousness' is advised, again, they laugh.

Herding at it's best.

:headbash:
 
This might be relevant when talking about "AI".

C's said:
Q: (L) Well, if the Grays are cybergenetic probes of the Lizard Beings, and, in effect soulless, does this mean that some of the Lizard beings are also STO?
A: Well, first, no being that is given intelligence to think on its own is, in fact, completely soul-less. It does have some soul imprint. Or what could be loosely referred to as soul imprint. This may be a collection of psychic energies that are available in the general vicinity. And this is stretching somewhat so that you can understand the basic ideas, even though in reality it is all far more complex than that. But, in any case, there is really no such thing as being completely soul-less, whether it be a natural intelligence or an artificially constructed intelligence. And, one of the very most interesting things about that from your perspective, is that your technology on 3rd density, which we might add, has been aided somewhat by interactions with those that you might refer to as "aliens," is now reaching a level whereby the artificially created intelligences can, in fact, begin to develop, or attract some soul imprint energy. If you follow what we are saying. For example: your computers, which are now on the verge of reaching the level whereby they can think by themselves, will begin to develop faint soul imprint.
Q: (L) That's not a pleasant thought.

Psychopaths are doing only what their "alien" masters want them to do. Developing some other intelligence ("AI") that might be potential threat to us or them (psychopaths) might not be perceived by them as a threat to themselves as their nature is dominated by wishful thinking. But, among all other issues that this planet and it's inhabitants are facing this "AI" is not that much important right now imo. If we link it with global stock market and how it operates with all the consequences for us there might be some importance there however.
 
I agree with those who observe that Mike Adams doesn't know what he's talking about and I see another reason why. It seems he also doesn't understand quantum computers nor what they will most likely be used for. I'm referring to jobs that span a range from a rat brain flying a jet in that simulator experiment at the University of Florida, to sifting associatively through gigs and gigs of data for that which is relevant to its task at the moment. Also, other tasks digital computers can't do: instantaneously recognize faces and such.

Besides, unless there have been advances in the last eight years I don't know about, there is still a fundamental limitation to quantum computers referred to as problems with spontaneous disappearance of coherency.
_http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-07/nofs-flt070705.php
_http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18625054.000

Anyway, one doesn't approach a study of quantum theory and quantum computers without due consideration to epistemology and one's own thinking habits because the Aristotlean binary thought structures of classical, consensus science stumble like a drunken monkey in that domain, or so it appears.
 
Buddy said:
Besides, unless there have been advances in the last eight years I don't know about, there is still a fundamental limitation to quantum computers referred to as problems with spontaneous disappearance of coherency.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the disappearance of coherency only affected "conventional" quantum computing performed with either entangled subatomic particles or the switching of states or spin associated with electrons etc . Conversely, the D-Wave computer uses superconductive circuits that work quantum mechanically on a macroscopic scale which I think may have been done to circumvent previous quantum computing ailments.

I still think it is asinine that this is only being developed by the elite. I feel as though this should be open source, but more importantly we have other, more immediate, things on the horizon and the fact that these developers are concentrating on this is laughable, futile (at the present time), and probably misguided seeing as how the conditions of the planet might not be conducive to sensitive or complex work such as this; everything they've constructed concerning this technology might be completely destroyed in the next few years.

Or maybe they somehow think they actually can survive what's coming, however the supposed "atlanteans" didn't even get that far and were apparently more advanced than we are. smh :huh:
 
As we know from the Wave series we are dealing with 4th/6th density forces here.
If they want to know who is doing what at the moment, they don't need a 3rd density computer, no matter how advanced, to find it out.

M.T.
 
Or maybe they somehow think they actually can survive what's coming, however the supposed "atlanteans" didn't even get that far and were apparently more advanced than we are. smh :huh:
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I dont think they will made it through all this coming mess, as you said, the atlanteans didnt survive even they have far more advanced technology.
 
Just as the U.S. military wants to eliminate human soldiers and replace them with battlefield robots, the NSA wants to eliminate human analysts and replace them with self-learning AI machines running on neural networks of quantum computing processors.
I find it very strange that from all that has been said, this is the only quote referring to neural networks.

In the true sense neural networks are a form of intelligence, as they learn, like a child by being told if they did right or wrong.

If the learning feedback is performed in a random manner, then the learning pattern is, like a child's also random.

I was working in a bank in London around 1987-9 when two doctors of mathematics managed to produce a "trained" trading machine that daily made money.

The project was terminated as they could not tell the board how it achieved this.

I have to therefore assume that it is possible to create behavior in a computer that appears intelligent, and possibly exceeds the normal performance of a human being within a restricted field, BUT it is not possible to interrogate it's rational or method.

I feel this is like trying to interpret the Matrix, you can see the patterns (neural nets), but have no idea what the picture means.

Summary, our current technology may be capable of far more than we realise, we, like in many cases with our children, do not know how to guide them, and it is possible if we get it wrong, they will bite back!
 
trendsetter37 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the disappearance of coherency only affected "conventional" quantum computing performed with either entangled subatomic particles or the switching of states or spin associated with electrons etc . Conversely, the D-Wave computer uses superconductive circuits that work quantum mechanically on a macroscopic scale which I think may have been done to circumvent previous quantum computing ailments.

Thanks for your comments. I was recently reminded that, somewhere along the way, I dropped a thread on superconductivity I had been following while researching quantum computing. Can you point to some recent work I can look at?
 
Data said:
Ennio said:
Absolutely, however, would it be incorrect to view AI run-amok - or the potential for it - as another "logical" extension (or virus) of psychopaths?

I think that the PTB/psychopaths wouldn't let any other intelligence interfere with their own plans, and Artificial Intelligence wouldn't be an exception.

Lobaczewski wrote:
Germs are not aware that they will be burned alive or buried deep in the ground along with the human body whose death they are causing.

On another level, it's kind of like all the nuclear bombs the military has been playing with and dropping as experiments all these many years. Or the DU dropped on Iraq. The PTB just doesn't realize how it affects them too.

And I think it's what Drazen is driving at when he wrote:

Developing some other intelligence ("AI") that might be potential threat to us or them (psychopaths) might not be perceived by them as a threat to themselves as their nature is dominated by wishful thinking.

Data said:
Remember that "Artificial Intelligence" is a contradiction in itself: if there is intelligence, it cannot be artificial, it is natural, it is a Being. And suppose they are actually able to create such a Being, it could lean towards STS or STO, and it is the decision of the Being itself which way it chooses to evolve.

Maybe so. But if it's true that there is some process of soul imprinting as the C's say, then it is also true that at least half of those AI's are going to lean towards STS, in imitation of the souls that are inventing them, and/or programming them, and/or are surrounded by them.

Data said:
Nowadays, AI is just a buzzword to impress people and it really refers to not much more than non-standard and maybe more complex computer programs.

For example, a mathematical problem that might have 2 to the power of n possible solutions -- where n is a large number like 1024 -- might take a traditional computer longer than the age of the universe to solve. A quantum computer, on the other hand, might solve the same problem in mere minutes because it quite literally operates across multiple dimensions simultaneously.

All of that is loaded with buzzwords and sounds very impressive and awe-inspiring, but really it is not. Quantum computers are still computers.

For example: Cars have 4 rubber tires, 1 steering wheel, a metal frame and an average travel speed of 50 km/h. Now, they could invent a car that is powered by awesome "zero point energy" but it still will have 4 rubber tires, 1 steering wheel, a metal frame and an average travel speed of 50 km/h.

If we had "zero point energy" to fuel cars I imagine that that technology would likely redefine how the cars were made, what materials they were made with, and what they were shaped like. I also think they would be so radically different from what we understand by today's definition of cars that we'd be likely to call it something else.
 
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