Suicides in the air?

Laura said:
Good advice. And keep your cell phone off and away from you unless you absolutely need to use it. Also, try to eliminate WIFI from your house if you can.

Lately, I've been enjoying NOT listening to any music. I really can't stand radio and TV (except to catch the occasional MSM news). WiFi is my biggest issue, as we all use it at different times, so I've taken to turning it off at nights when we sleep. The problem is, the neighbours have WiFi & wherever you go there it is. With the phones, we turn it off at night (or put it on Airplane mode which switches off any connectivity).
 
The person in the trance sees no way out of her problems except by committing suicide. Suicide is viewed as a positive, the only thing that will ease the unbearable emotional pain the person is feeling.

Years ago when I was suffering from depression due to being "trapped" in another abusive relationship, I had a particularly bad day and lied down on the sofa around noon and slept a while. When I awoke--I didn't move a muscle, except for breathing. I thought "what is there to wake up for?" and I continued to lie completely still for hours, until dusk around seven PM. My eyes were closed--no blinking, no twitching--at one point I stopped swallowing and just let the drool run where it will. A fly crawled around on my face. My breathing slowed down. I felt out of body and was drifting away when the thought occurred to me why people commit suicide--it is the only thing left in their lives that they feel they can control.
They feel so powerless to stop the pain in their lives that stopping their lives is the last action they can manage to literally end it all.

I continued in a place of near sensory deprivation until faintly and far away, a dog barked. And kept barking and barking--it must be dinner time--the dogs wanted their supper. My ex was away for several days with his work--the dogs will go hungry if I don't feed them. Gradually the sound became louder. I swallowed. Slowly my arm came alive again and brushed off that damn fly. Then I was back. Each part of my body had to be "reactivated" consciously to move again. It was a weird visit to a place I've never been before or since. Oddly I felt revived of hope a bit, and gained back the will to persevere in this life--the dogs needed me and that was purpose enough to begin again.

If a suicide beam is in the air, then thankfully I am not feeling it. No more than the usual occasional misreads of a word now and then, but I will be aware of it and watching out.
shellycheval
 
The morning after the last big storm here in the UK, I saw a lot of people exhibiting self-damaging behaviour. There was a man, for example, in front of me who crossed the street vertically, not horizontally, whenever another car would come, he would walk in the middle of the road! It looked quite bizarre. A couple of hundred meters from him, a young woman had collapsed on the pavement, she was already being helped by others, so I don't know what happened there.

I also observed that teenagers acted out quite strongly on this day (I live near a school) and that and this thread started me thinking on the Bridgend Suicide thread:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,8239.msg472752.html#msg472752

There were in fact 79 hangings in Bridgend between January 2007 and February 2012. The hangings continue unabated, so the true figure may be in the 90s.

Almost all of them teenagers ...Not sure what it is that makes young people there more prone - maybe that their hormones are not working properly yet?

I think a good diet is really essential these days and of course :cool2:

By the way, I am not living in an area that is flooded or out of power, we just get the strong winds and the rain.

M.T.
 
While posting a comment on an article a few days ago, I typed "suicided" instead of "decided", in Spanish (my mother tongue, and not a common mistake). It was only when I went to proofread it that I noticed it. But I had forgotten until reading this thread. Anyway, I didn't make much of it, but something could be in the air... Let's everyone pay attention and remove as many possible sources of interference as possible (cell phones, Wi-Fi, self-pity, lack of knowledge, etc.)
 
Chu said:
While posting a comment on an article a few days ago, I typed "suicided" instead of "decided", in Spanish (my mother tongue, and not a common mistake). It was only when I went to proofread it that I noticed it. But I had forgotten until reading this thread. Anyway, I didn't make much of it, but something could be in the air... Let's everyone pay attention and remove as many possible sources of interference as possible (cell phones, Wi-Fi, self-pity, lack of knowledge, etc.)

Exercise, from mild to moderate, also helps. :flowers:
 
While posting a comment on an article a few days ago, I typed "suicided" instead of "decided
it is strange but I was wondering weather we should leave the US because of the current state of the country and the lack of food supplies aside from the weather, and for a couple of days I kept on seeing the word "escape". I don't know weather I'm seeing escape as not confronting or if we should physically escape big cities. It's a little off topic but I noticed that.
 
Andromeda said:
There was also a local man who shot himself near here about a week ago. He had called the police to announce his intentions and they were able to locate him by his phone. The police arrived and surprised him, but when they tried to negotiate, the man locked himself in his car and then shot himself. Nothing was said about why he would have done it. It was rather disturbing.

Then I just saw this too: http://www.sott.net/article/274016-Mad-world-Depressed-factory-worker-offers-himself-as-sacrifice-to-tigers

and another one

http://www.sott.net/article/274230-Georgia-man-sets-himself-on-fire-in-grocery-store
 
I too have misread a word as suicide twice that I can remember while reading articles on SOTT. I chalked it up to either being tired while I was reading or having just finished reading about the bankers suicides. One word was studies that I misread and the other I can't remember. I never even considered it seriously but reading this thread it makes more sense as to why these thoughts pop up sometimes or these cues if you will are appearing.

Teresa said:
No reading or word processing errors here, but a close family friend did commit suicide last Friday. It was shocking because she was such a gentle person and she used a gun instead of taking pills.

I'm so sorry to read of your loss. The questions that are left behind after something like that are very hard indeed.

Laura said:
Felipe4 said:
I would say stop listening to the radio music.
music has a powerful effect on people even if you are not paying attention to the song, It changes you unless you pick on it and make conscious sense of it and avoid it.


Music can be said to be like food, avoid "depressing music", pop, and overly happy music. music that you know have a negative effect on you can be useful when combined with work on the nature of the effect.
many songs remind me of bad things, for example, but it is through it that resolution is possible.

Another thing as it has worked is an exercise Gurdjieff taught and it's called STOP. Whenever you are having such thoughts immediately stop everything that you are doing for 10 seconds if you can't do it for longer and remember "this is just a thought". It worked for me in many instances.

I can't find where to quote this part of the book. :/

Good advice. And keep your cell phone off and away from you unless you absolutely need to use it. Also, try to eliminate WIFI from your house if you can.

Good advice indeed. Unfortunately I have to listen to music at work that is piped in and wear a headphone to speak with other associates and I'm sure that it's causing problems with my sleep as well. When I'm in the car I listen to classical music which I've never been a big fan of but I do find it calming most of the time. I don't watch TV anymore and thankfully dad only watches TV for 30 minutes when Dragnet comes on. I turn off my phone and wifi but there are still so many that keep them on around here, that I'm not sure it's enough.

Dad also listens to the police scanner all the time and at full volume because he is hard of hearing. I can tell you that suicides are happening more frequently as well as domestic violence, robberies, B & E's, DUI's, traspassing and once there was a loud explosion somewhere that had the deputies chasing the whereabouts for over an hour. Finally they claimed it was a transformer that blew, but I'm not so sure they would have told the truth about the cause over the air.
 
Golden Gate Bridge suicides hit record high - 46

_http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Golden-Gate-Bridge-suicides-hit-record-high-46-5263870.php
 
Quasar said:
U should already know what it means.

What a very cryptic statement Quasar!
It could be construed as a manipulative attempt at attention/asking for clarification - so you may want to consider your manners when talking to others.
Better to share than to force others to ask.

Mr. Scott said:
Has anybody else noticed this particular brain error (or something similar) lately?

I had a period of about 4 days over a week ago now in which I was having a lot of 'word processing errors' (up to and including misreading entire sentences), some minor clumsiness and even the odd noticeable cognitive error.
I chalked it up to learning new things about myself and my neurons re-arranging their connections to accommodate the new knowledge (i.e. jumbling).
In the end I had to stop reading and just ride it out.
 
I also had recently misread something but cannot remember if it was something with suicide.

At least here in Germany two athletes killed themself this month: A 19 year old biathlete shot herself with her sports-weapon and yesterday a once active artistic gymnast jumped from the bridge and killed before his disabled son.
 
Here in Australia, a media personality was found dead in her apartment, following a major battle with depression.
_http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/charlotte-dawson-found-dead-after-long-and-public-battle-with-depression/story-fn907478-1226834561969
 
When I have felt down and out during these times, I try to keep things in perspective.

Here are some bits that I remind myself of:

It's all a school, all there is; is lessons. (as the C's said)

If I was to exit the ride early, I will need to repeat certain painful lessons again. I'd much rather do what I can to learn and heal with whatever moments I have left in this incarnation.

If my destiny was to be gone, I would have been gone many moons ago.

If my only purpose is to learn my lessons, then so be it. As in learning my lessons, I lesson my own suffering and the suffering of those around me.

I may be able to contribute something that, one day helps someone else out of there own suffering.

I have been blessed with the gift of a working body and mind. Not all have this blessing, and so it is my duty to pay the gifts forward and use them in service to creation.
 
Just yesterday I read the following session from Jane Roberts' Seth book, The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events, which deals partly with suicide. I decided to post it because it deals with suicide in a group context, and touches on other things like epidemics, species extinction (which we appear to be witnessing) and other things that may relate in their own way to information theory when living in "interesting times" such as those that we seem to be in the midst of now:

The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events said:
To a certain extent, epidemics are the result of a mass suicide phenomenon on the parts of those involved. Biological, sociological, or even economic factors may be involved, in that for a variety of reasons, and at different levels, whole groups of individuals want to die at any given time – but in such a way that their individual deaths amount to a mass statement.

On one level the deaths are a protest against the time in which they occur. Those involved have private reasons, however. The reasons, of course, vary from one individual to another, yet all involved “want their death to serve a purpose” beyond private concerns. Partially, then, such deaths are meant to make the survivors question the conditions – for unconsciously the species well knows there are reasons for such mass deaths that go beyond accepted beliefs.

In some historical periods the plight of the poor was so horrible, so unendurable, that outbreaks of the plague occurred, literally resulting in a complete destruction of large areas of the environment in which such social, political, and economic conditions existed. [Those] plagues took rich and poor alike, however, so the complacent well-to-do could see quite clearly, for example, that to some extent sanitary conditions, privacy, peace of mind, had to be granted to the poor alike, for the results of their dissatisfaction would have quite practical results. Those were deaths of protest.

Individually, each “victim” was to one extent or another a “victim” of apathy, despair, or hopelessness, which automatically lowered bodily defenses.

Not only do such states of mind lower the defenses, however, but they activate and change the body’s chemistries, alter its balances, and initiate disease conditions. Many viruses inherently capable of causing death, in normal conditions contribute to the overall health of the body, existing side by side as it were with other viruses, each contributing quite necessary activities that maintain bodily equilibrium. {Reference the concept of pleomorphism, and also some recent discussion about viruses being "information bundles" which can have different effects according to context}

If [certain viruses] are triggered, however, to higher activity or overproduction by mental states, they then become “deadly.” Physically they may be passed on in whatever manner is peculiar to a specific strain. Literally, individual mental problems of sufficient severity emerge as social, mass diseases.

The environment in which an outbreak occurs points at the political, sociological, and economic conditions that have evolved, causing such disorder. Often such outbreaks take place after ineffective political or social action – that is, after some unified mass social protest – has failed, or is considered hopeless. They often occur also in wartime on the part of a populace [that] is against a given war in which [its] country is involved.

Initially there is a psychic contagion: Despair moves faster than a mosquito, or any outward carrier of a given disease. The mental state brings about the activation of a virus that is, in those terms, passive.

Despair may seem passive only because it feels that exterior action is hopeless – but its fires rage inwardly, and that kind of contagion can leap from bed to bed and from heart to heart. It touches those, however, who are in the same state only, and to some extent it brings about an acceleration in which something can indeed be done in terms of group action.

Now if you believe in one life only, then such conditions will seem most disastrous, and in your terms they clearly are not pretty. Yet, though each victim in an epidemic may die his or her own death, that death becomes part of a mass social protest. The lives of intimate survivors are shaken, and according to the extent of the epidemic the various elements of social life itself are disturbed, altered, rearranged. Sometimes such epidemics are eventually responsible for the overthrow of governments, the loss of wars.

There are also even deeper biological connections with the heart of nature. You are biological creatures. Your proud human consciousness rests on the vast “unconscious” integrity of your physical being. In that regard your consciousness is as natural as your toe. In terms of the species’ integrity your mental states are, then, highly important. Despair or apathy is a biological “enemy.” Social conditions, political states, economic policies, and even religious or philosophical frameworks that foster such mental states, bring about a biological retaliation. They act like fire applied to a plant.

The epidemics then serve many purposes – warning that certain conditions will not be tolerated. There is a biological outrage that will be continually expressed until the conditions are changed.

Even in the days of the great plagues in England there were those smitten who did not die, and there were those untouched by the disease who dealt with the sick and dying. Those survivors, who were actively involved, saw themselves in a completely different light than those who succumbed, however: They were those, untouched by despair, who saw themselves as effective rather than ineffective. Often they roused themselves from lives of previously unheroic situations, and then performed with great bravery. The horror of the conditions overwhelmed them where earlier they were not involved.

The sight of the dying gave them visions of the meaning of life, and stirred new [ideas] of sociological, political, and spiritual natures, so that in your terms the dead did not die in vain. Epidemics by their public nature speak of public problems – problems that sociologically threaten to sweep the individual to psychic disaster as the physical materialization does biologically.

These are the reasons also for the range or the limits of various epidemics – why they sweep through one area and leave another clear. Why one in the family will die and another survive – for in this mass venture, the individual still forms his or her private reality.

In your society scientific medical beliefs operate, and a kind of preventative medicine, mentioned earlier, in which procedures [of inoculation] are taken, bringing about in healthy individuals a minute disease condition that then gives immunity against a more massive visitation. In the case of any given disease this procedure might work quite well for those who believe in it. It is, however, the belief, and not the procedure, that works.

I am not recommending that you abandon the procedure when it obviously works for so many – yet you should understand why it brings about the desired results.

Such medical technology is highly specific, however. You cannot be inoculated with the desire to live, or with the zest, delight, or contentment of the healthy animal. If you have decided to die, protected from one disease in such a manner, you will promptly come down with another, or have an accident. The immunization, while specifically effective, may only reinforce prior beliefs about the body’s ineffectiveness. It may appear that left alone the body would surely develop whatever disease might be “fashionable” at the time, so that the specific victory might result in the ultimate defeat as far as your beliefs are concerned.

You have your own medical systems, however. I do not mean to undermine them, since they are undermining themselves. Some of my statements clearly cannot be proven, in your terms, and appear almost sacrilegious. Yet, throughout your history no man or woman has died who did not want to die, regardless of the state of medical technology. Specific diseases have certain symbolic meanings, varying with the times and the places.

There has been great discussion in past years about the survival of the fittest, in Darwinian terms, but little emphasis is placed upon the quality of life, or of survival itself; or in human terms, [there has been] little probing into the question of what makes life worthwhile. Quite simply, if life is not worthwhile, no species will have a reason to continue.

Civilizations are literally social species. They die when they see no reason to live, yet they seed other civilizations. Your private mental states en masse bring about the mass cultural stance of your civilization. To some extent, then, the survival of your civilization is quite literally dependent upon the condition of each individual; and that condition is initially a spiritual, psychic state that gives birth to the physical organism. That organism is intimately connected to the natural biological state of each other person, and to each other living thing, or entity, however minute.

Despite all “realistic” pragmatic tales to the contrary, the natural state of life itself is one of joy, acquiescence with itself – a state in which action is effective, and the power to act is a natural right. You would feel it in the activity of your bodies, in which the viral individual affirmation of your cells brings about the mass, immensely complicated achievement of your physical being. That activity naturally promotes health and vitality.

I am not speaking of some romanticized, “passive,” floppy, spiritual world, but of a clear reality without impediments, in which the opposite of despair and apathy reigns.

This book will be devoted, then, to those conditions that best promote spiritual, psychic, and physical zest, the biological and psychic components that make a species desire to continue its kind. Such aspects promote the cooperation of all kinds of life on all levels with one another. No species competes with another, but cooperates to form an environment in which all kinds can creatively exist.

You live in a physical community, but you live first of all in a community of thoughts and feelings. These trigger your physical actions. They directly affect the behavior of your body. The experience of the animals is different, yet in their own ways animals have both individual intent and purpose. Their feelings are certainly as pertinent as yours. They dream, and in their way, they reason.

They do not “worry.” They do not anticipate disaster when no signs of it are apparent in their immediate environment. On their own they do not need preventative medicine. Pet animals are inoculated against diseases, however. In your society this almost becomes a necessity. In a “purely natural” setting you would not have as many living puppies or kittens. There are stages of physical existence, and in those terms nature knows what it is doing. When a species overproduces, the incidences of, say, epidemics grow. This applies to human populations as well as to the animals.

The quality of life is important above all. Newborn animals either die quickly and naturally, painlessly, before their consciousnesses are fully focused here, or are killed by their mothers – not because they are weak or unfit to survive, but because the [physical] conditions are not those that will produce the quality of life that makes survival “worthwhile.”

The consciousness that became so briefly physical is not annihilated, however, but in your terms waits for better conditions.

There are also “trial runs” in human and animal species alike, in which peeks are taken, or glimpses, of physical life, and that is all. Epidemics sweeping through animal populations are also biological and psychic statements, then, in which each individual knows that only its own greatest fulfillment can satisfy the quality of life on an individual basis, and thus contribute to the mass survival of the species.

Suffering is not necessarily good for the soul at all, and left alone natural creatures do not seek it. There is a natural compassion, a biological knowledge, so that the mother of an animal knows whether or not existing conditions will support the new offspring. Animals instinctively realize their relationship with the great forces of life. They will instinctively starve an offspring while its consciousness is still unfocused, rather than send it loose under adverse conditions.

In a natural state, many children would die stillborn for the same reasons, or would be naturally aborted. There is a give-and-take between all elements of nature, so that such individuals often choose mothers, for example, who perhaps wanted the experience of pregnancy but not the birth – where they choose the experience of the fetus but not necessarily [that] of the child. Often in such cases these are “fragment personalities” wanting to taste physical reality, but not being ready to deal with it. Each case id individual, however, so these are general statements.

Many children, who, it seems, should have died of disease, of “childhood epidemics,” nevertheless survive because of their different intents. The world of thought and feeling may be invisible, and yet it activates all physical systems with which you are acquainted.

Animals as well as men can indeed make social statements, that appear in a biological context. Animals stricken by kitten and puppy diseases, for example, choose to die, pointing out the fact that the quality of their lives individually and en masse is vastly lacking. Their relationships with their own species is no longer in balance. They cannot use their full abilities or powers, nor are many of them given compensating elements in terms of a beneficial psychic relationship with man – but instead are shunted aside, unwanted and unloved. An unloved animal does not want to live.

Love involves self-respect, the trust in individual biological zest and integrity. To that extent, in their way animal epidemics have the same causes as human ones.

An animal can indeed commit suicide. So can a race or a species. The dignity of a spirited life demands that a certain quality of experience be maintained.
 

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