Supression of information...

Fluxed, you had similar responses in other forums.
In fact, people here are much more patient.

Don't you see that your line of arguing doesn't do you any good?


M.T.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
...A 'spirit board' is a kind of variation on a Ouija board (or the other way round). Please define 'pagan'. If a pagan is "a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions", then I think we're all pagans here! :halo:
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Ouija boards (also called Egyptian Luck boards)
Was you aware of the Egyptian correlation?

When i term a pagan, i refer to a sun worshipper and a person who
believes in the afterlife and has material goods buried with him.

All cultures were pagan, before christ.

Approaching Infinity said:
There's a difference between "factual records" and the interpretation of those factual records. So far I haven't seen much from your posts here to give me much reason to trust in your interpretation of facts.
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If you don't mind, i have just joined this forum. Please , at least give me
a chance to post my findings, before judging.

Concerning what i have posted so far - should i need to substantiate common
knowledge? i.e. an ancient royal family, who converted to christ after
centuries of being pagans, who incited our ancestors using false pagan gods?

Yes, the royal ancestors openly declared that 'the old gods are fake.'

These is hostility towards my posting facts - this does not support humanity
as a whole.

Approaching Infinity said:
Alana said no such thing. Are you setting up a straw man? Or did you just not understand Alana's point?
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Alana said '.....and it doesn't come down to the citizens from royalty,
but from psychopaths '

You are telling me, this is not a disconnection?

Please, play the game fair.

Approaching Infinity said:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the latter, in which case it would probably do you a world of good to actually get the book ponerology and read it. Sure kings can be psychopaths, but not all of them are or were. And 'royalty' certainly isn't the root of all evil, which seems to be what you are suggesting.
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As above, there is no doubt - the words are recorded.

Royalty is the root of all evil and if i am allowed to post my findings
with reputable links, perhaps you will change your mind.
 
Ouija boards (also called Egyptian Luck boards)
Was you aware of the Egyptian correlation?

When i term a pagan, i refer to a sun worshipper and a person who
believes in the afterlife and has material goods buried with him.

All cultures were pagan, before christ.
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That seems like a pretty black-and-white way of viewing the world. I don't think the world slices into rigid categories so nicely, unfortunately. Christianity has some good stuff in it, and a lot of bad stuff. Same with paganism. Same with the occult. Same with everything, IMO.

If you don't mind, i have just joined this forum. Please , at least give me
a chance to post my findings, before judging.
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Did you read the forum rules before you accepted them? Please keep in mind that this is not your forum, and it's your responsibility as a member (having read and agreed to the terms) to become familiar with the material here. It is not a soapbox.

Alana said '.....and it doesn't come down to the citizens from royalty,
but from psychopaths '

You are telling me, this is not a disconnection?
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The only disconnect seems to be on your part, because you seem to have such a fixation on royalty. Saying the problem isn't royalty but psychopaths does not logically imply that royalty are not psychopaths (in whole or in part). If there were no royalty, there would still be evil in the world, and vast amounts of it, for the simple reason that psychopaths are what makes things like royalty acquire whatever 'evil' quality they may have.

May I ask what your native language is? Perhaps at least some of your confusion comes from a problem of 'translation'?

You say, "I rely not on others[Cs] to direct me. I direct myself." But self-control implies self-knowledge, and you do not seem to be very aware of how you come across to others. That suggests to me that maybe you do not have so much control over yourself as you may think. But hey, that's normal! We all do it to some degree until we learn to see ourselves as others see us. You'll probably want to check out the threads on the 'adaptive unconscious' for more on that.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Alana said '.....and it doesn't come down to the citizens from royalty,
but from psychopaths '

You are telling me, this is not a disconnection?
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The only disconnect seems to be on your part, because you seem to have such a fixation on royalty. Saying the problem isn't royalty but psychopaths does not logically imply that royalty are not psychopaths (in whole or in part). If there were no royalty, there would still be evil in the world, and vast amounts of it, for the simple reason that psychopaths are what makes things like royalty acquire whatever 'evil' quality they may have.
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Exactly. Once in a while we have people come around with "proof" that the Illuminati are the evil in the world. Or the Zionists. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Such limited worldview however serves the interests of the psychopaths who can then move on and infect another group/ideology with their pathology but we won't be able to see it because we continue to look at the royals, or the zionists, or whatever.

Anyway, from reading your other posts, it seems to me Fluxed that you think you know what you know already, and the problem is that you want to continue telling us about it, and we don't want to listen to it - not because we have something against you personally, but because we don't think that blaming the royals is going to take us anywhere, because it won't. If you are interested to learn a bit more about who we are, what we've read, how we go about things and how we communicate with each other, then stick around and read (and DO read Political Ponerology - what have you to lose?). But if you want to continue talking about the royals and the emerald tables and such, I think you will find the understanding you are looking for in other places on the web.
 
Minas Tirith said:
Fluxed, you had similar responses in other forums.
In fact, people here are much more patient.

Don't you see that your line of arguing doesn't do you any good?


M.T.
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Your last bit of advice contradicts the intention of this thread.
It is strange when forums encourage freedom of information yet
undermine those with different views and opinions, even
when they are backed up with archaeological evidence. This amounts to supression.


Seeing as you mention other forums, from experience,
many online forums have a masonic bias in the form of
groups of members who follow those speaking about Egyptian
history, and attempt to undermine them. If this fails then the
?masonic? mods do not ban those individuals in groups who insult
and undermine openly, but instead ban the member who
defends his posted information.


WHAT A WONDEFUL MASONIC WORLD WE LIVE IN!!!
 
Alana said '.....and it doesn't come down to the citizens from royalty,
but from psychopaths '

You are telling me, this is not a disconnection?
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Alana said:
The only disconnect seems to be on your part, because you seem to have such a fixation on royalty.
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Saying that evil behaviour doesnt come to the citizens from royalty
but from psychopaths' is clearly disconnecting royalty from psychopaths.

Please dont just change the subject - they are your statements, not mine.

And in terms of fixation, as opposed to what, patriotism?
Are we accepted only, if we ignore truth and support this family?

China - opium, India - mass murder , and these are recent incitments.
The history of the royal family outlines for us time and time again,
the psychological profile of extreme psychopaths.

Having studied epigenetics, i must express the seriousness of 'like father like son'
where royalty and past generations are concerned.

Alana said:
...If there were no royalty, there would still be evil in the world, and vast amounts of it, for the simple reason that psychopaths are what makes things like royalty acquire whatever 'evil' quality they may have.
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No , this fails to consider the history of mankind. It is rash and based on a whim.

Criminal tendancies are today, genetic and manifest under the right
environmental cirumstances.

If we rewind 10,000 years, these tendancies weaken and arrive at their source.

10,000 years ago, the majority of the global population were hunter/gatherers
and obviously, they did not yet know written language and would not
be able to communicate complex ideas, like swearing an oath.

This is fact.

Only when written language came along then, could crime be organized,
plans made and new concepts communicated.

Then where did the first writing appear?

It just so happens it coincided with kingship - A GANG UNDER OATH.
Hieroglyphics allowed the royals to plan and plot and communicate
these plans.[Earliest hieroglyphs Scorpion King - 3300BC ]

So while most people were still hunting and grunting/imitating, a royal
family existed and all of what they recorded proves without a shadow of a doubt,
they ruled by fear and terror and greed and as psychopaths.

The hunters were all clean of any vice at this point. [clean genetics]

Any criminal tendancies in the general population, were then encouraged
by this gang much later on. By then the genes of pharaoh had degraded.[2800BC~]

It can only have been the Egyptian priesthood who infiltrated the minds
of the early hunters, and this introduced superstitious nonsense and corrupted
the mind and made the hunter inferior to the royal pagan gang.

Since the pagan kings, sexual freedom and vice have been encouraged[agape festival etc]
murder has been encouraged - patriotism and sacrifice the justification, materialism
and the class system has been encouraged / installed - all from royalty.

I would prefer to study the history of mankind before making general statements.

Alana said:
..Once in a while we have people come around with "proof" that the Illuminati are the evil in the world. Or the Zionists. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Such limited worldview however serves the interests of the psychopaths who can then move on and infect another group/ideology with their pathology but we won't be able to see it because we continue to look at the royals, or the zionists, or whatever.
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Then you suggest we ignore the new world order ?

What about the falsifications they have told us, concerning our histroy?

Ring a bell? First a pagan royal family, employing pagan laws for thousands
of years, then telling us all the pagan gods were fake?

The next world order will render christians as heretics, just like the pagans
following the old world order and the same bloodline will head the new
religion. That will be the third conversion of royalty:

1) From hunter to pagan king.
2) From pagan king to chrstian king.
3) In progress.....

Your response seems to encourage a passive attitude to the new world order.

Alana said:
Anyway, from reading your other posts, it seems to me Fluxed that you think you know what you know already, and the problem is that you want to continue telling us about it, and we don't want to listen to it - not because we have something against you personally, but because we don't think that blaming the royals is going to take us anywhere, because it won't.
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Very strange again.

The whole point of research is to inform others about our findings?

I am also happy to be here, to learn from others.


Alana said:
..But if you want to continue talking about the royals and the emerald tables and such, I think you will find the understanding you are looking for in other places on the web.
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I only wish to talk about the new world order and im sorry
if this involves the royal family but these are my findings.
Along with the rothschilds. These bilderberg meetings
highlight the collaboration to implement the new world order.
The universal agenda to bring living standards down, a clear indication
of team work and only supporting the illuminati theory.
 
Fluxed, Suppression of information happens very often when we want to tease out a simple answer before understanding the complex system it is embedded within. Fine if we are willing to adjust to emerging data which modifies our old conclusions, but if we resist and insist that we pretty much have the whole banana because it supports our belief system, then not only have you set yourself on a course of disinformation; twisting truth into an overly simplistic and ultimately unhelpful narrative, as well as becoming an exponent of the very suppression of information that you might have started out fighting against.

If you would care to open your eyes; you would find there is so much more to the story than royalty, egyptian power legacy and masonic influence. This is a premature and in part faulty distillation, which is based on suppressing or missing information.

You have shown to be very selective in your response with what seems a logical impairment to defend your fixed and limited distillation of a narrative, before finding out what this community actually knows. So I too think the most fruitful solution to our meeting here, would be for you to take your 'sacred cows' elsewhere.
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow- witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." ~ Leo Tolstoy
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The whole point of research is to inform others about our findings?
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People have asked for sources, etc here and there is very little of it in what you write. You are just throwing out ideas and making grand statements and saying it is fact such as:

10,000 years ago, the majority of the global population were hunter/gatherers
and obviously, they did not yet know written language and would not
be able to communicate complex ideas, like swearing an oath.

This is fact.

Only when written language came along then, could crime be organized,
plans made and new concepts communicated.
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How do you know hunter/gatherers "would not be able to communicate complex ideas, like swearing an oath" that makes it a fact?

Also research as far as what this forum has laid out in a number of places is that it was the rise of agriculture that led to the ability for war to become more widespread and that also lead to using writing to track commerce, etc. I think this is talked about in a thread about the book called 'The Vegetarian Myth.'
 
fluxed said:
Minas Tirith said:
Fluxed, you had similar responses in other forums.
In fact, people here are much more patient.

Don't you see that your line of arguing doesn't do you any good?


M.T.
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Your last bit of advice contradicts the intention of this thread.
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That's only because the intention of this thread contradicts the intention of this forum.
 
Saieden said:
fluxed said:
Minas Tirith said:
Fluxed, you had similar responses in other forums.
In fact, people here are much more patient.

Don't you see that your line of arguing doesn't do you any good?


M.T.
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Your last bit of advice contradicts the intention of this thread.
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That's only because the intention of this thread contradicts the intention of this forum.
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I thought it was me decided what the intention is
and it was intended to shed light on the suppressed history of the Earth.

The intention of this forum seems a good one. I am here to add, not subtract
so don't agree with what you say above.
 
Bear said:
The whole point of research is to inform others about our findings?
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Bear said:
People have asked for sources, etc here and there is very little of it in what you write. You are just throwing out ideas and making grand statements and saying it is fact such as:
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Sources for what , are you able to specify?

The only idea i throw pertains to the Egyptian gods being aliens.
Other than that, i am conveying common knowledge.i.e.

Paganism began as a royal cult[Egypt]. Later the people were 'paganized'.
Christian kings are descended from pagan kings.
The founder of the Jewish nation lived with pharaoh.
The founder of the jewish nation was in Egypt when the state god was Amen.

You think these are idea's / grand statements?

I call them plain historical facts, which you seem to shy away from.

10,000 years ago, the majority of the global population were hunter/gatherers
and obviously, they did not yet know written language and would not
be able to communicate complex ideas, like swearing an oath.

This is fact.
...
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Bear said:
How do you know hunter/gatherers "would not be able to communicate complex ideas, like swearing an oath" that makes it a fact?
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1) My genes were there and i am left handed, thus access comes easier.
2) I have looked much into this era / dawning of the human mind.
3) Common sense.

If not written symbols, how would hunters communicate
new ideas?

Hunters imitated animals and formed complex emotional relationships with nature.

Basic communication existed - simple audio / hand instructions to engage
established emotional responses, such as the hunting of big prey
or taking a drug.

He did not yet understand any concept of 'luck' because only writing
can communicate this concept and contradicts his understanding of cause
and effect - it is a de-evolving of the mind, indicating perhaps that the
adult hunters did NOT trust the priesthood and it would only be the later
generations who would be fooled by the Egyptian priesthod who had
spread around the ancient world.

Before the priesthood, rituals did not exist in a religious sense.
Only the respect for mother nature directed the hunters mind.

Written language put a picture to emotion.
New concepts cannot be communicated without symbols - writing.
Writing introduced the sequential thinking process , whereas the hunters
ponder for hours on end, one emotional context. If he is waiting to
make the kill, for example.[ to feed his clan, not for fun.]

[Imitation may have played a part in attracting his prey.]

Hunters were approached obviously, by more developed beings.
The hunters first imitated the animals, and then imitated Thoth.

The most simple logic - natural logic.

Bear said:
Also research as far as what this forum has laid out in a number of places is that it was the rise of agriculture that led to the ability for war to become more widespread and that also lead to using writing to track commerce, etc. I think this is talked about in a thread about the book called 'The Vegetarian Myth.'
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Agriculture, on a mass scale, was not for the sake of the people,
but the stomachs of the royal family, the related priesthood and army.
Royalty monopolized everything becuase they got the head start,
with writing, agriculture, architecture, the arts, science and the
administration of government.

The jews adopted this adminstration as did all the later royal variants.
This explains the pagan traditions and ceremonies of all the royal houses.
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Parallel said:
Fluxed, Suppression of information happens very often when we want to tease out a simple answer before understanding the complex system it is embedded within.
Click to expand...

I think we should put it into context first - state suppression of information.

My position asks why? If it is important information, such
as relating to our spiritual infrastructure, we have a right to know - full stop.
Same applies when it concerns our history.

Would you agree here; if a higher authority has important knowledge
which would help society as a whole, should the people be provided
with this information?

Parallel said:
Fine if we are willing to adjust to emerging data which modifies our old conclusions, but if we resist and insist that we pretty much have the whole banana because it supports our belief system, then not only have you set yourself on a course of disinformation; twisting truth into an overly simplistic and ultimately unhelpful narrative, as well as becoming an exponent of the very suppression of information that you might have started out fighting against.
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A belief system? Mine is not a belief system but a correlation machine.
If it does not correlate i drop it - many of my gut feelings lead to a correlation,
thus i drop little, these days.
You seem to imply we should not have faith in the solidity
of our accumulated knowledge.[even when having a scientific background].

My research employs reason , not superstition.
So your attempt to bring into question my understanding, looks shallow
considering the many professionals [Santos Bonnaci ] having similar conclusions
and lets not forget my ignorance of royal guidance since i was a child.

Parallel said:
If you would care to open your eyes; you would find there is so much more to the story than royalty, egyptian power legacy and masonic influence. This is a premature and in part faulty distillation, which is based on suppressing or missing information.
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Another who would rather not concentrate in reality.
Fix our minds onto superstitious idea's, instead of directing us
to the most criminal bloodline on earth - and we know they are here
and we know their history.

I am saying to people, hold this bloodline to account and
if aliens are assisting royalty,this will expose them and bring clarity to this matter
thus calling in the police to assist us CLEANING UP THIS WORLD!!!

I have a strong gut feeling, the police will arrive once the people
reject the followers of Horus.[royalty] and their doctrines of nonsense.
Wars and degradation will continue while this bloodline remains.

DNA test - simple DNA tests will root them all out.

Parallel said:
You have shown to be very selective in your response with what seems a logical impairment to defend your fixed and limited distillation of a narrative, before finding out what this community actually knows. So I too think the most fruitful solution to our meeting here, would be for you to take your 'sacred cows' elsewhere.
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More undermining. However you deem my conduct, attend to your own first please.

I have started a thread with a very important article in the OP -
a thanks would have been nice, but no, because it pertains
to Egyptian i am treated with contempt, along with the author of the article.

Please see to it that this manner is corrected.


Parallel said:
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow- witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." ~ Leo Tolstoy
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What is laid before you, from me, is in fact , fact.
Yet you cannot be persuaded to accept it.

I say:

The most dangerous people are those under oath to follow the agenda
of a minority at the expense of the majority, for want of status
and prestige. These people live to suppress and degrade society
employing the royal wisdom ' ends justifies the means' .
 
fluxed said:
Parallel said:
Fluxed, Suppression of information happens very often when we want to tease out a simple answer before understanding the complex system it is embedded within.
Click to expand...

I think we should put it into context first - state suppression of information.

My position asks why? If it is important information, such
as relating to our spiritual infrastructure, we have a right to know - full stop.
Same applies when it concerns our history.

Would you agree here; if a higher authority has important knowledge
which would help society as a whole, should the people be provided
with this information?

Parallel said:
Fine if we are willing to adjust to emerging data which modifies our old conclusions, but if we resist and insist that we pretty much have the whole banana because it supports our belief system, then not only have you set yourself on a course of disinformation; twisting truth into an overly simplistic and ultimately unhelpful narrative, as well as becoming an exponent of the very suppression of information that you might have started out fighting against.
Click to expand...

A belief system? Mine is not a belief system but a correlation machine.
If it does not correlate i drop it - many of my gut feelings lead to a correlation,
thus i drop little, these days.
You seem to imply we should not have faith in the solidity
of our accumulated knowledge.[even when having a scientific background].

My research employs reason , not superstition.
So your attempt to bring into question my understanding, looks shallow
considering the many professionals [Santos Bonnaci ] having similar conclusions
and lets not forget my ignorance of royal guidance since i was a child.

Parallel said:
If you would care to open your eyes; you would find there is so much more to the story than royalty, egyptian power legacy and masonic influence. This is a premature and in part faulty distillation, which is based on suppressing or missing information.
Click to expand...

Another who would rather not concentrate in reality.
Fix our minds onto superstitious idea's, instead of directing us
to the most criminal bloodline on earth - and we know they are here
and we know their history.

I am saying to people, hold this bloodline to account and
if aliens are assisting royalty,this will expose them and bring clarity to this matter
thus calling in the police to assist us CLEANING UP THIS WORLD!!!

I have a strong gut feeling, the police will arrive once the people
reject the followers of Horus.[royalty] and their doctrines of nonsense.
Wars and degradation will continue while this bloodline remains.

DNA test - simple DNA tests will root them all out.

Parallel said:
You have shown to be very selective in your response with what seems a logical impairment to defend your fixed and limited distillation of a narrative, before finding out what this community actually knows. So I too think the most fruitful solution to our meeting here, would be for you to take your 'sacred cows' elsewhere.
Click to expand...

More undermining. However you deem my conduct, attend to your own first please.

I have started a thread with a very important article in the OP -
a thanks would have been nice, but no, because it pertains
to Egyptian i am treated with contempt, along with the author of the article.

Please see to it that this manner is corrected.


Parallel said:
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow- witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." ~ Leo Tolstoy
Click to expand...
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What is laid before you, from me, is in fact , fact.
Yet you cannot be persuaded to accept it.

I say:

The most dangerous people are those under oath to follow the agenda
of a minority at the expense of the majority, for want of status
and prestige. These people live to suppress and degrade society
employing the royal wisdom ' ends justifies the means' .
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No fluxed. What we have before us, from you, is a bit of unsubstantiated information that looks at one piece of the picture. What we have in this network is a mass of substantiated information, and knowledge that has been fought for over decades by Laura.

But that idea is too much for your ego. And your obsession is making you blind to the true reality here. You are holding on to your own illusory reality - 'I am right and everyone else is wrong'

I hope you wake up to the program that you have running here.
 
Hi fluxed.

Your version of humanity's problem, aside from any thoughts about how accurate or truthful it is, appears to need some knowledge about the complicity, or simple ignorance, of the masses.

Laura's work accounts for a wide variety of acts of omission and commission from a wide variety of sources, from stupidity to outright collusion, COINTELPRO and the use of agent provocateurs.

You could strengthen your case a whole bunch by simply reading a webpage that covers that ground here:

A quote by Robert Canup at the top of the article gives one an immediate sense of the weight of the problem:

"Never ascribe to malice those things which may be explained by stupidity." That is an important phrase, and a necessary one; it keeps people from being paranoid. However, it has a corollary most people don’t know: "One MAY ascribe to malice those things which stupidity cannot explain." ~Robert Canup

Here's a quote from the linked page:

The primary problem that I see humanity struggling with today is precisely delineated by psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski: it is an almost total lack of adequate psychological knowledge on the part of the masses of humanity – the population of ordinary, normal people.
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That info is important because when you wisely said:

I say:

The most dangerous people are those under oath to follow the agenda
of a minority at the expense of the majority, for want of status
and prestige. These people live to suppress and degrade society
employing the royal wisdom ' ends justifies the means' .
Click to expand...

You may have forgotten that even the police swore similar oaths.
 
fluxed said:
Minas Tirith said:
Fluxed, you had similar responses in other forums.
In fact, people here are much more patient.

Don't you see that your line of arguing doesn't do you any good?


M.T.
Click to expand...

Your last bit of advice contradicts the intention of this thread.
It is strange when forums encourage freedom of information yet
undermine those with different views and opinions, even
when they are backed up with archaeological evidence. This amounts to supression.


Seeing as you mention other forums, from experience,
many online forums have a masonic bias in the form of
groups of members who follow those speaking about Egyptian
history, and attempt to undermine them. If this fails then the
?masonic? mods do not ban those individuals in groups who insult
and undermine openly, but instead ban the member who
defends his posted information.


WHAT A WONDEFUL MASONIC WORLD WE LIVE IN!!!
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My dad used to say "opinions are like assholes...everyone has one". Very true statement. However, opinions, like everything, vary in terms of quality. An informed opinion has a higher quality than an uniformed opinion. You seem to have very uninformed opinions. Or am I incorrect?
 
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