Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine
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I read Joe's article this morning. Another great one.
RT's CrossTalk had an episode on MH17 and was posted at Saker's blog:
http://thesaker.is/crosstalk-remembering-mh17/
RT's CrossTalk had an episode on MH17 and was posted at Saker's blog:
http://thesaker.is/crosstalk-remembering-mh17/
Life News has published their "fantastic news" today: they found (bought for $250,000 from the Ukrainian SBU one year ago, as they claim) a tape of pilots witnessing the MH17 crash. According to the tape, MH17 wasn't shot down, but exploded from within. Several experts interviewed by Life News support this version too. Here is the video (including the tape) and its transcript in Russian: http://lifenews.ru/news/158220.
Interesting, that today the tribunal issue will also be discussed by the UN Security Council..
Interesting, that today the tribunal issue will also be discussed by the UN Security Council..
Siberia said:
Does anyone know how reliable these Life News reporters are? The only two times that I saw their reporter in the videos, in both times he behaved less than appropriate for his profession. First time it was during the first Minsk meeting, when also Poroshenko was present, and when the reporter screamed something like him killing his own troops. But ok, that's kind of understandable. But then, the same reporter during the press conference after the BRICS summit, when given the chance to ask Putin a question, asked if he is doing yoga. You should see the press conference in order to understand how out of place the question was, and also see how Putin tried to remain cordial toward the reporter. So both the incidents kind of form a not really serious impression of the agency. But maybe it is just this guy?
Keit said:
Yeah, I agree that sometimes they look not very professional. Actually, I've never heard about them before this Ukrainian war started one year ago, although according to Wikipedia they exist since 2009.
In general, their reports are rather interesting, they have lots of exclusive materials (including from the war zone). Their reporters were captured by Kiev forces last year and Ramzan Kadyrov helped to free them. But yeah, they sometimes look more like amateurs than a large and serious news agency.
Yeah, the on-board bomb angle is another hit for the C's (if the story is true). By the way Russia vetoed the Security Counsel resolution for the kangaroo tribunal - and there's claims that they're going to try to get one in the UN General Assembly which needs 2/3's approval to pass (don't know if that story is verified).
Keit said:
Dunno about Life News, but checked a bit that Solovov guy and the whole thing seems fishy.
"His organization":
_http://fedinf.ru/
He is not listed there anymore, he was in 2009 (wayback machine finding). But they carry that 'revelation' with no comment, so I'd think they give it some credibility.
They had this much to say about him:
_https://web.archive.org/web/20091125012722/http://www.fedinf.ru/
About FEDInf found this:
Berezovsky a sponsor of FedInf?
_http://www.infox.ru/authority/mans/2012/10/31/Byeryezovskiy_sponsi.phtml (in Russian)
Sokolov as a head of Berezovsky's bodyguards:
_http://polit.ru/news/2013/03/26/abramovitch/
_http://www.kp.ru/daily/26053.4/2964676/
A good comment on that revelation here:
http://ria.ru/radio_brief/20150731/1156136376.html
google translation said:
FWIW...
This article _http://www.apn.ru/opinions/article27435.htm (in Russian) suggests that Sergey Sokolov was a director of a private security company Atoll (Атолл) which provided security to Berezovsky and was closed after Berezovsky's death. Now he is a director of the federal information centre "Analytics and Security". It's a private human rights organisation (as they claim). The article also suggests that this organisation used several times questionable data in their pseudo-struggle with corruption in Russia. The article is published back in 2012 and is titled "Does Berezovsky finance the federal information centre 'Analytics and Security'"?
So it looks like Sokolov was closely connected with Berezovsky.
So it looks like Sokolov was closely connected with Berezovsky.
Possibility of Being said:
This new evidence doesn't imply that any such on-board explosion was an accident. Also, this scenario, and a military jet firing at the cockpit, are not mutually exclusive.
As for 'Berezovsky connections', remember that Berezovsky was instrumental in bringing Putin to power. Everyone was 'a traitor' in 1990s Russia.
Altair said:
Thanks!
From my quick scanning through various Russian articles and forums, Sokolov seems nuts or disinfo agent to me, in the best case. And his 'anti-corruption' organization FedInf that morphed from 'Atol' after Berezovsky left for London seems to be itself involved in illegal activity and corruption.
As for the recording, even if it's not fake, there is no date stamp, no names, nothing that would clearly indicate that exchange involves MH17. So, IMO, what we are left with is only a loose possibility that there might be something to it.
angelburst29
The Living Force
This article is featuring a link to a transcript - of a 17 minute video taken right after the crash (with some excerpts below).
The MH17 Pilot’s Corpse: More on the Cover-Up
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/the-mh17-pilots-corpse-more-on-the-cover-up/
On 17 July 2015, Rupert Murdoch’s Australian Courier-Mail published behind a paywall, and his The Australian republished open on their website, the complete transcript, plus video excerpts, of 17 minutes of video footage that had been taken by the independence fighters in Donbass at the wreckage site while the fires were still aflame on the fateful day, 17 July 2014; and this remarkable footage, never before made public, and published by a lifelong anti-Russian, shows the rebels’ “Commander,” trying to understand what he was seeing, and saying that there are two planes destroyed in the area, one a Malaysian airliner, and the other a Sukhoi fighter-jet, the latter from which had parachuted out five people. Someone off-camera in the background is saying, “They decided to do it this way, to look like we have brought down the plane.” In other words: these people speculated immediately that the presence of the downed fighter-jet indicated that the Ukrainian authorities were trying to pin onto the rebels the blame for shooting down the airliner. Here is that link, and the relevant passages in the transcript itself:
http://www.news.com.au/national/full-transcript-russian-backed-rebels-ransack-the-wreckage-of-mh17-in-shocking-17-minute-video/story-e6frfkp9-1227444629703
“Full transcript: Russian-backed rebels ransack the wreckage of MH17 in shocking 17-minute video”
• JULY 17, 2015 12:01AM
• Video [just an excerpt, but the transcript is complete, only excerpts from which are reproduced here:]
Cmdr: Yes, there’s 2 planes taken down. We need the second.
Background: The second one is a civilian too?
Background: The fighter jet brought down this one, and our people brought down the fighter.
Background: They decided to do it this way, to look like we have brought down the plane. …
Cmdr: Let the firefighters extinguish the flames.
(Phone ringing)
Yes Kalyian. I understood you, but we’re already at the crash site. A passenger plane was brought down. They brought down the passenger plane and we brought down the fighter. …
Cmdr: The parachute jumpers are there.
Background: But there are two planes, from my understanding.
Background: And what’s the other one? A Sukhoi?
Cmdr: A Sukhoi.
The Sukhoi brought down the plane and we brought down the Sukhoi. …
I mean … the two pilots landed on parachutes.
(Phone ringing)
Cmdr: Yes, speak. I’m here, I’m in Grabovo. Right at the place. I’m not at the bird site, I’m in the field. I didn’t get there yet.
Cmdr: Five parachutes jumped off this plane. Five people jumped off this plane. …
The MH17 Pilot’s Corpse: More on the Cover-Up
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/the-mh17-pilots-corpse-more-on-the-cover-up/
On 17 July 2015, Rupert Murdoch’s Australian Courier-Mail published behind a paywall, and his The Australian republished open on their website, the complete transcript, plus video excerpts, of 17 minutes of video footage that had been taken by the independence fighters in Donbass at the wreckage site while the fires were still aflame on the fateful day, 17 July 2014; and this remarkable footage, never before made public, and published by a lifelong anti-Russian, shows the rebels’ “Commander,” trying to understand what he was seeing, and saying that there are two planes destroyed in the area, one a Malaysian airliner, and the other a Sukhoi fighter-jet, the latter from which had parachuted out five people. Someone off-camera in the background is saying, “They decided to do it this way, to look like we have brought down the plane.” In other words: these people speculated immediately that the presence of the downed fighter-jet indicated that the Ukrainian authorities were trying to pin onto the rebels the blame for shooting down the airliner. Here is that link, and the relevant passages in the transcript itself:
http://www.news.com.au/national/full-transcript-russian-backed-rebels-ransack-the-wreckage-of-mh17-in-shocking-17-minute-video/story-e6frfkp9-1227444629703
“Full transcript: Russian-backed rebels ransack the wreckage of MH17 in shocking 17-minute video”
• JULY 17, 2015 12:01AM
• Video [just an excerpt, but the transcript is complete, only excerpts from which are reproduced here:]
Cmdr: Yes, there’s 2 planes taken down. We need the second.
Background: The second one is a civilian too?
Background: The fighter jet brought down this one, and our people brought down the fighter.
Background: They decided to do it this way, to look like we have brought down the plane. …
Cmdr: Let the firefighters extinguish the flames.
(Phone ringing)
Yes Kalyian. I understood you, but we’re already at the crash site. A passenger plane was brought down. They brought down the passenger plane and we brought down the fighter. …
Cmdr: The parachute jumpers are there.
Background: But there are two planes, from my understanding.
Background: And what’s the other one? A Sukhoi?
Cmdr: A Sukhoi.
The Sukhoi brought down the plane and we brought down the Sukhoi. …
I mean … the two pilots landed on parachutes.
(Phone ringing)
Cmdr: Yes, speak. I’m here, I’m in Grabovo. Right at the place. I’m not at the bird site, I’m in the field. I didn’t get there yet.
Cmdr: Five parachutes jumped off this plane. Five people jumped off this plane. …
Palinurus
The Living Force
This source was already mentioned previously by alkhemst in Reply #427 -- although without the detailed transcripts.
Meanwhile SOTT carries another article of Eric Zuesse from Global Research with his summary of today's news, including a rehash of some of his own earlier materials:
http://www.sott.net/article/299815-MH-17-cover-up-Pilots-body-and-coroners-report-blocked-from-being-released-publicly-and-to-family-of-pilot
Meanwhile SOTT carries another article of Eric Zuesse from Global Research with his summary of today's news, including a rehash of some of his own earlier materials:
http://www.sott.net/article/299815-MH-17-cover-up-Pilots-body-and-coroners-report-blocked-from-being-released-publicly-and-to-family-of-pilot
