Elephants in the room: Wanderers

Yozilla said:
If i remember correctly, in Ra, wanderers were referred as brothers and sisters of sorrow - so it could very well be that their mission is not all about fun... FWIW

In Book IV Session 89, RA describes an even stranger "Wanderer Event", where 2 STO Fifth Density Wanderers incarnate on 3rd Density Venus nearing the harvest period/realm border wave. These 2 entities are apparently answering a call from non-polarized, or slightly negative polarized entities to develop wisdom. These entities felt that the STO-oriented 3D beings that made up some of the other Venusian population were complacent in offering the "right" STO options to the lesser polarized inhabitants.

From what RA describes, the two 5D-STO wanderers set up a very narrow but accelerated "wisdom" teaching that lead to what Ra referred to as "Upon your third-density environment at the time of your experiencing such entities would merely be considered, shall we say, ruthless despots which waged the holy war."

The entities were then harvested to 4D as STS, and after the veil was lifted, RA refers to their reaction as "disconcerted" at their own actions in 3D. They then choose to re-polarize as STO at 4D with some substantial effort.

So possibly the wanderers are of very diverse make-up and abilities - themselves seemingly vulnerable to aiding STS-oriented plans unwillingly. FRV may also come into play as a balance against outright STS "blanket frequencies", creating a ripple or "option" for less polarized entities to choose from.
 
Minas Tirith said:
I remember that he (or was it the Pleiadeians?) says that for wanderers it's especially difficult on many levels, since they are not used to 3D earth life (anymore) and that many "don't make it", being acquitted to mental institutions and so forth. I would never see wanderers as equipped with some form of super-powers, this is as Lainey mentioned, some Hollywood induced savior thinking. Rather as facilitators helping the cause along.

Shijing said:
If wanderers exist, they're probably flapping their butterfly wings in their little corner of the world in whatever way they know how -- maybe it's a little old lady in a soup kitchen, or your neighbor next door working with neighborhood kids or blogging about social justice; maybe it's Putin. I think in many cases it would be hard to know.

Yes, I would rather think that if wanderers exist, they may very well be rather on the "low end" of society since they are not well adapted to today's psychopathic society. Since moving to the countryside, I encountered a few people who know nothing at all about esoteric matters, but who seem to have an intuitive understanding that something is very wrong with the world, and who are very well respected because they are friendly, rightful, and always willing to help those they feel deserve it, while having no problem calling out on those who try to use them or are showing a feeling of entitlement. Maybe you will rather find "wanderers" in such people than in some alternative media gurus? But as others have said, I don't think the concept of "wanderers" is all that useful. Gurdjieff's concepts, modern brain science/psychology and the study of psychopathy may be better tools to understand the role various people play, osit.
 
Everything like ‘wanders’ or any potential for self delusion, specialises, or any self serving notion, just reeks of what has always gone on here, on this god forsaken world - or so it seems

And the link with suffering and wander, might give rise to the idea that someone might have a soul, though a consoling fraudulent narrative, bypassing the simple fact that it was plane old stupidity causing all that suffering - a soul would have a little more of an undercurrent to one being... but I guess suffering has many forms, and some undercurrents might be a spirit attachment, a wandering dead dude...

I wouldn’t be surprised some idiot started the church of the wanderers, ‘I was a wandering soul and now I’m saved.’ for dinner....

I’m not a wander, but if I come across one I’m sure to point wandering idiot here. or not depending on the specific situation... :evil:
 
I would suggest that another group of people you could look to as 'wanderers' would be musicians. It is not an easy thing to be a working, touring musician. And the ones I have come to know (quite a few) over the last 3 years are doing it from a spiritual imperative, of course with individual and varying levels of awareness of that.

The sensitivity of 'wanderers' described in the Ra material and elsewhere we can witness in the who-knows-how-many musicians who have died young, crashed and burned out one way or another.

But among the working musicians of today - again, that I have met under a slightly more spiritual umbrella - there is a sense of purpose. They know that what they do is a lesson, if there is a student who can hear. There's even the sense among some of them that music, as a more pure and human form of science (sound waves emanating endlessly, catalytic when heard, etc) are where the real scientists and 'priesthood' are found. IF, the musician is applying intent, is conscious about the potential impact music that comes from love has.

fwiw

Peace,
AB
 
Well my own take of it is that if they do exist they are not much different from normal people except from maybe having a different instinct as mentioned in the article. I suppose a part of me wanted them to do something, not to me personally, but you know something that would have that trickle down effect to us normal folks in everyday life. Something like start institutions that are for humanity, challenge the status quo, you know, something that will strike at the apex of society and trickle downwards. But I suppose that aint going to happen because well... because it just won't. Because humanity as a body is just plain old ignorant, blissfully so and the STS ideology reins supreme.

But I have no idea really, this stuff is on a whole different realm. One can only speculate.

Nonetheless, message of the day is to do the work and don't expect saviours, miracles and/or quick solutions.
 
luke wilson said:
Well my own take of it is that if they do exist they are not much different from normal people except from maybe having a different instinct as mentioned in the article. I suppose a part of me wanted them to do something, not to me personally, but you know something that would have that trickle down effect to us normal folks in everyday life. Something like start institutions that are for humanity, challenge the status quo, you know, something that will strike at the apex of society and trickle downwards. But I suppose that aint going to happen because well... because it just won't. Because humanity as a body is just plain old ignorant, blissfully so and the STS ideology reins supreme.

But I have no idea really, this stuff is on a whole different realm. One can only speculate.

Nonetheless, message of the day is to do the work and don't expect saviours, miracles and/or quick solutions.
Indeed. It is our responsibility to challenge the status quo.
 
wonder why wander
with whom we work wondrous worlds
while will was writ whole
 
ge0m0 said:
wonder why wander
with whom we work wondrous worlds
while will was writ whole

geOmO-

Are you trying to add to the conversation? If you are, then you'll have to clarify your above comments. As of now they read like "noise".
 
Yes, I would rather think that if wanderers exist, they may very well be rather on the "low end" of society since they are not well adapted to today's psychopathic society. Since moving to the countryside, I encountered a few people who know nothing at all about esoteric matters, but who seem to have an intuitive understanding that something is very wrong with the world, and who are very well respected because they are friendly, rightful, and always willing to help those they feel deserve it, while having no problem calling out on those who try to use them or are showing a feeling of entitlement. Maybe you will rather find "wanderers" in such people than in some alternative media gurus? But as others have said, I don't think the concept of "wanderers" is all that useful. Gurdjieff's concepts, modern brain science/psychology and the study of psychopathy may be better tools to understand the role various people play, osit.

Well I truly understand your statement. But the ones at the countryside might not be the Wanderers. I lived there and had that experience of intuitive understanding that something is wrong. That might be called as G. said, people with "developed essence" which grew close to nature. They lack a developed personality.
 
BrightLight11 said:
ge0m0 said:
wonder why wander
with whom we work wondrous worlds
while will was writ whole

geOmO-

Are you trying to add to the conversation? If you are, then you'll have to clarify your above comments. As of now they read like "noise".
I believe it was an alliteration poem. While clever may be better suited to the creative acts threads?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=28.0
It's not unappreciated though as it got my mind working this morning.
 
luke wilson said:
Nonetheless, message of the day is to do the work and don't expect saviours, miracles and/or quick solutions.

I find this to be the real truth in it all. I have paid a lot of money to different hypnotherapists, shamans, seminars, spiritual meditation courses. The list goes on. What i learned wasn't necessarily the content of what they shared but exactly this. There is only you when it comes to 'doing the work'. Networking and reading etc is super important but you have to take the most active role in all of this. Being apart of this forum for not all that long has really spear headed this home for myself. I find the concept of wanderers does give hope but it doesn't change anything really. Because it seems to me we are all in the same boat in a way. Some are further in the work then others but in the end its up to us.

Regardless of whether it's poetic, i get the impression that its always meant to be this way. And it should rightly so.
 
lainey said:
BrightLight11 said:
ge0m0 said:
wonder why wander
with whom we work wondrous worlds
while will was writ whole

geOmO-

Are you trying to add to the conversation? If you are, then you'll have to clarify your above comments. As of now they read like "noise".
I believe it was an alliteration poem. While clever may be better suited to the creative acts threads?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=28.0
It's not unappreciated though as it got my mind working this morning.

BrightLight11, sorry for the noise. If you want me to spell it out with a bunch more words, I can try to do that. Haiku-like-koanish thing that I do. Helps me to structure the essence of my thoughts when sometimes mind is working too much. I was contemplating the thread and wanting to contribute, but kept segueing too much, so I wanted to focus the attention of those thoughts. For me, compacting the language in a creative way sort of silences all the competing thoughts, but I understand if it doesn't work that way for you. Can't say that I won't do it again, but I'll try to post a disclaimer on noise avoidance "in the future".

Thanks for the appreciation, lainey.

So, let me see if I can unpack it a bit, even for my own edification.

Line 1: Wondering about/contemplating the the object of the thread thread and the various contributions, and of course my subjective experience of the object, the contributions of others to the thread, etc., with the understanding that contemplation has a power to turn subjects into objects. It's an effective method of detachment for me, helping to dis-identify with any emotional baggage that I might be attaching to the whole idea of being a wanderer, not being a wanderer, whether or not it's a play of the ego, spiritual identity, etc. The point is, the first line just is the setting for the contemplative act, not necessarily having anything to do with expectation or conclusions that may result from that act of contemplation.

Line 2: Networking. Tribal unit. Forum. Doing the Work. Creation. All of that, again, in the context of the wanderers thread. Looking from the outside, as if those wanderers are objects, we have the objective form of who, that is, whom. If we identify with them, and get mixed up in the subjectivity of that identification, then how interesting, to me anyway, how the subject and object get mixed up a bit. I think that's the nature of consciousness to somehow become aware of itself. Neither subject nor object. Context and content somehow the same. That's a common theme of my practice of self-enquiry. Is that what wanderers do? That is, do they network? Do they have some identity, like seems to be inevitable for human consciousness? Do they somehow hold a deeper, possibly sub-conscious understanding? No answers in this line. After setting the context of the inquiry, this is where the questions are asked.

Line 3: while = now, will = future, was = past, writ = authority, whole = whole, cannot be past, present or future but necessarily all of them, and that somehow has an overriding authority over any of those particular notions of time, and the only real authority is, of course, absolute authority, aka 7th density. Again, the common theme of my self-enquiry shows up here, only in this line as the conclusion. Moving from subject to object and back again. Imagining content from some perspective, and all of that somehow being context devoid of content - suchness. No matter how many times I ask questions, I always end up moving through objective conclusions to something fuzzy, yet infinitely more real than any of the objects of contemplation. Fuzzy in terms of linear logic, yet infinitely clear once that enquiry rests.
 
ge0m0 said:
lainey said:
BrightLight11 said:
ge0m0 said:
wonder why wander
with whom we work wondrous worlds
while will was writ whole

geOmO-

Are you trying to add to the conversation? If you are, then you'll have to clarify your above comments. As of now they read like "noise".
I believe it was an alliteration poem. While clever may be better suited to the creative acts threads?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=28.0
It's not unappreciated though as it got my mind working this morning.

BrightLight11, sorry for the noise. If you want me to spell it out with a bunch more words, I can try to do that. Haiku-like-koanish thing that I do. Helps me to structure the essence of my thoughts when sometimes mind is working too much. I was contemplating the thread and wanting to contribute, but kept segueing too much, so I wanted to focus the attention of those thoughts. For me, compacting the language in a creative way sort of silences all the competing thoughts, but I understand if it doesn't work that way for you. Can't say that I won't do it again, but I'll try to post a disclaimer on noise avoidance "in the future".

geOmO- This doesn't read like an apology, but more like a justification for what you posted and sarcasm because I bothered to mention it.

As for your explanation, please try and realize that if ALL members of the forum posted in such a way, there would be NO understanding, hence the whole noise to signal ratio idea. I'm sure many of us have problems with "wanting to contribute, but kept segueing too much". That's where focus and effort come in handy. :)

If I'm reading this incorrectly, I hope someone will point that out.
 
BrightLight11 said:
geOmO- This doesn't read like an apology, but more like a justification for what you posted and sarcasm because I bothered to mention it.

As for your explanation, please try and realize that if ALL members of the forum posted in such a way, there would be NO understanding, hence the whole noise to signal ratio idea. I'm sure many of us have problems with "wanting to contribute, but kept segueing too much". That's where focus and effort come in handy. :)

If I'm reading this incorrectly, I hope someone will point that out.

I will. The apology was sincere and remains so. Would you care to comment on my clarification?

As a start, I will clarify further regarding my approach to these tricky questions.

First, I like and encourage objective analysis. As a practicing geotechnical engineer, and one who deals with heavy construction, pushing around large volumes and heavy loads of soil and rock, I hardly go an hour without thinking objectively and in terms of the gross level of reality of life on earth. With respect to C project and SoTT, they have been valuable for extending my efforts, which began prior to finding this site, to understand more about the subtler aspects of our shared human reality. I get information from a variety of sources, and this site has become the main source as of late. It provides much confirmation for what I had previously learned and adds to the mix quite nicely. I am really enjoying reading the Wave series, almost done at this point, and also have enjoyed reading "Secret History" and "Horns of Moses", Pierre's book, and other numerous recommended references.

Second, my primary focus in terms of personal growth is in understanding the nature of consciousness. There is ample writing from Laura and response from the C's that consciousness is primary. Again, this is nothing new for me to hold this view. Rather, this site extends whatever previously accumulated knowledge there is, and provides new avenues for continued investigation. When I entertain objective analysis, which is, according to my understanding, seeking proof in material terms, there is always a background knowledge of the primacy of consciousness to frame the analysis. This is what I refer to as context, and the objective information is content. As I see context as more informative of content than vice versa, with the understanding that there is some kind of objective conditioning that drives me to see things that way, I tend to fall back on trying to understand the objective information in terms of context. Ultimately, the conclusion that I continue to reach is that what we are is context, and the purpose of content is to point towards ever-expanding potential for growth of context - increasing perspective to wider and wider views, with the currently held understanding that 7D represents the complete merging of content and context in all that is, and it is consciousness.

With regard to the discussion at hand, asking or speculating what or who wanderers may be, and what is their purpose, is not particularly useful if it is only about looking for some objective reality regarding those supposed wanderers. From the first and second points above, the goal of such investigation is to expand perspective. Asking what wanderers are and what they might be doing is not productive if the goal is to find out about something that cannot be objectively confirmed anyway. It may be entertaining, but that's what the Predator's mind does; it seeks entertainment. Sure, there is learning going on by asking and finding answers to those questions, but I can ask who might win the Superbowl and seek all kinds of analysis and objective data to support that analysis, and in the end, it won't matter one bit in terms of human development. As I write this, it reveals more to me about my own issues than anything else. That is, if I was somehow compelled to respond to this thread, and I did so vaguely, and upon further introspection I find that my view is that the questioning about wanderers is a waste of time, then I could have either ignored the thread, or I could have just come right out and said so.

For that, I also sincerely apologize, to you, the others participating in this thread and to myself for not being self-honest. I continue to learn, which is I continue to take the subjective reality of my experience, to objectify it by some process of analysis, and finally to make all of that part of the expanded context, which now includes many more objects than it did previously, yet at the same time contains nothing at all as individual objects. It's a larger context, and because I do not have the benefit of anything much beyond 3D thinking, it is not fully merged, and more objects remain outside of that context, or really hidden within it as subjective elements, objects themselves waiting to be discovered and in order to be added to the mix of things that no longer unconsciously limit the perspective. Consider this an open apology for a newbie who will never intend to step on your toes, but as I fumble through the dark, I just might do so anyway.

With that out in the open, now I will try to carefully hold my foot over your toes, without intending to step on them. You can tell me I'm wrong, and I will consider your arguments and maybe change the trajectory of my foot so as to avoid your toes, and you can keep your foot right where it is. Or, you can consider my arguments, and if you like them, you can move your foot as I place mine on the ground, and I will do so treading lightly in case your foot it still a little bit where it was and I might hit the toes anyway. Or, we can both be obstinate and hold our ground, and maybe I will step on your toes and you will say "Ouch!" and neither of us will be better off. Or, maybe we both share in this growing of perspective, and we each take a step forward without any harm whatsoever. So, with that silly but hopefully useful analogy done, I ask:

How would it be helpful knowing if there are wanderers or even if any of us here might be those wanderers? Is it more than mere entertainment? What parts of us want to know we're specially designated by cosmic ordinance to be wanderers, or that there are others who might be here to save us? Where do we identify with that label, and might it not be better to just dismiss all such labels as constraints, and instead, endeavor to accept a positive role for ourselves regardless of what roles others might be playing?

I trust this is a much better way to post here on this forum. Though I reserve the right to post vague and cryptic haiku-koanisms with the promise to never intend offense and to always offer clarification when asked.
 
ge0m0 said:
I trust this is a much better way to post here on this forum. Though I reserve the right to post vague and cryptic haiku-koanisms with the promise to never intend offense and to always offer clarification when asked.

I think that's probably not the best way to approach this forum, ge0m0. Posting cryptic remarks, which is what your poem was, is posting noise, as Brightlight11 pointed out. No one would have been able to decifer the meaning of your post without investing great effort or having to press you further for clarification. Having some consideration for the reader of your message, keeping in mind that we all have time constraints, and stating your thesis clearly, without ambiguity, would be appreciated.

If you look at the forum guidelines, which you agreed to by activating your account, you'll see that you've already agreed to keep noise to a minimum and posting clearly. Please adhere to the wishes of the creators of this forum in your future posts by keeping ambiguity to a minimum.

As has already been pointed out, such posts would be more appropriate for the "Creative Acts" section of the forum, where it would not be considered noise.
 
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