BrightLight11 said:
geOmO- This doesn't read like an apology, but more like a justification for what you posted and sarcasm because I bothered to mention it.
As for your explanation, please try and realize that if ALL members of the forum posted in such a way, there would be NO understanding, hence the whole noise to signal ratio idea. I'm sure many of us have problems with "wanting to contribute, but kept segueing too much". That's where focus and effort come in handy. :)
If I'm reading this incorrectly, I hope someone will point that out.
I will. The apology was sincere and remains so. Would you care to comment on my clarification?
As a start, I will clarify further regarding my approach to these tricky questions.
First, I like and encourage objective analysis. As a practicing geotechnical engineer, and one who deals with heavy construction, pushing around large volumes and heavy loads of soil and rock, I hardly go an hour without thinking objectively and in terms of the gross level of reality of life on earth. With respect to C project and SoTT, they have been valuable for extending my efforts, which began prior to finding this site, to understand more about the subtler aspects of our shared human reality. I get information from a variety of sources, and this site has become the main source as of late. It provides much confirmation for what I had previously learned and adds to the mix quite nicely. I am really enjoying reading the Wave series, almost done at this point, and also have enjoyed reading "Secret History" and "Horns of Moses", Pierre's book, and other numerous recommended references.
Second, my primary focus in terms of personal growth is in understanding the nature of consciousness. There is ample writing from Laura and response from the C's that consciousness is primary. Again, this is nothing new for me to hold this view. Rather, this site extends whatever previously accumulated knowledge there is, and provides new avenues for continued investigation. When I entertain objective analysis, which is, according to my understanding, seeking proof in material terms, there is always a background knowledge of the primacy of consciousness to frame the analysis. This is what I refer to as context, and the objective information is content. As I see context as more informative of content than vice versa, with the understanding that there is some kind of objective conditioning that drives me to see things that way, I tend to fall back on trying to understand the objective information in terms of context. Ultimately, the conclusion that I continue to reach is that what we are is context, and the purpose of content is to point towards ever-expanding potential for growth of context - increasing perspective to wider and wider views, with the currently held understanding that 7D represents the complete merging of content and context in all that is, and it is consciousness.
With regard to the discussion at hand, asking or speculating what or who wanderers may be, and what is their purpose, is not particularly useful if it is only about looking for some objective reality regarding those supposed wanderers. From the first and second points above, the goal of such investigation is to expand perspective. Asking what wanderers are and what they might be doing is not productive if the goal is to find out about something that cannot be objectively confirmed anyway. It may be entertaining, but that's what the Predator's mind does; it seeks entertainment. Sure, there is learning going on by asking and finding answers to those questions, but I can ask who might win the Superbowl and seek all kinds of analysis and objective data to support that analysis, and in the end, it won't matter one bit in terms of human development. As I write this, it reveals more to me about my own issues than anything else. That is, if I was somehow compelled to respond to this thread, and I did so vaguely, and upon further introspection I find that my view is that the questioning about wanderers is a waste of time, then I could have either ignored the thread, or I could have just come right out and said so.
For that, I also sincerely apologize, to you, the others participating in this thread and to myself for not being self-honest. I continue to learn, which is I continue to take the subjective reality of my experience, to objectify it by some process of analysis, and finally to make all of that part of the expanded context, which now includes many more objects than it did previously, yet at the same time contains nothing at all as individual objects. It's a larger context, and because I do not have the benefit of anything much beyond 3D thinking, it is not fully merged, and more objects remain outside of that context, or really hidden within it as subjective elements, objects themselves waiting to be discovered and in order to be added to the mix of things that no longer unconsciously limit the perspective. Consider this an open apology for a newbie who will never intend to step on your toes, but as I fumble through the dark, I just might do so anyway.
With that out in the open, now I will try to carefully hold my foot over your toes, without intending to step on them. You can tell me I'm wrong, and I will consider your arguments and maybe change the trajectory of my foot so as to avoid your toes, and you can keep your foot right where it is. Or, you can consider my arguments, and if you like them, you can move your foot as I place mine on the ground, and I will do so treading lightly in case your foot it still a little bit where it was and I might hit the toes anyway. Or, we can both be obstinate and hold our ground, and maybe I will step on your toes and you will say "Ouch!" and neither of us will be better off. Or, maybe we both share in this growing of perspective, and we each take a step forward without any harm whatsoever. So, with that silly but hopefully useful analogy done, I ask:
How would it be helpful knowing if there are wanderers or even if any of us here might be those wanderers? Is it more than mere entertainment? What parts of us want to know we're specially designated by cosmic ordinance to be wanderers, or that there are others who might be here to save us? Where do we identify with that label, and might it not be better to just dismiss all such labels as constraints, and instead, endeavor to accept a positive role for ourselves regardless of what roles others might be playing?
I trust this is a much better way to post here on this forum. Though I reserve the right to post vague and cryptic haiku-koanisms with the promise to never intend offense and to always offer clarification when asked.