Below again are the 3 articles from Xinhua. These articles are the official writings of the Chinese government. It is clear from these articles that forced late pregnancy abortions are illegal and forced non-late pregnancy abortions are legal in China.
Even though it is clear from these articles that forced non-late pregnancy abortions are legal in China, people like Niall continue to deny this fact. This makes direct debate impossible, and shows that his demand for sources was just a tactic to deflect.
However, this debate is not a total waste. Everyone else reading who is open to facts, truth, and reality is now faced with an irrefutable aspect of psychopathic China.
I think some people may not realize how difficult it is to get smoking gun evidence as good as these articles. Most of the time the government just lies and denies and lies some more, and you can see examples of those kinds of lies even in these 3 articles. This one case is just the visible tip of a giant iceberg.
Another quite visible aspect of psychopathic China is the decades-old and ongoing massive pollution. When psychopaths exploit people, they will frequently say the exploitation is for the victims benefit. With that in mind, I cannot accept the argument that the forced abortions and the massive pollution is for the benefit of the Chinese people.
Yet another visible aspect of psychopathic China is complete corruption of the government at all levels. You get one look at it with these officials trying to extort a giant fortune from the victim.
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_http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-06/14/content_15503461.htm
Forced abortion probed amid outrage
Updated: 2012-06-14 21:54
(Xinhua)
XI'AN - Authorities in Northwest China's Shaanxi province have launched an investigation into an instance of forced abortion, pledging that anyone found responsible will be punished according to relevant laws and regulations.
Feng Jianmei, 27, was forced to terminate her pregnancy at seven months in a hospital in Zhenping county on June 2. Details of the case, including several photos showing the remains of the fetus lying next to the mother on her hospital bed, were posted on online forums and have since shocked and angered many nationwide.
"It is brutal to end a new life that will soon come into the world. It breaks my heart to see such a thing," netizen "Fen Hong Shan Hu Hai" said in a post on Sina's Weibo.com, the country's largest microblogging website.
Many netizens described the case as outrageous and tragic. However, it has yet to be confirmed if the photos are genuine, and the photographer has yet to be identified.
The Shaanxi Provincial Population and Family Planning Commission, which oversees the family planning work in the province, announced Thursday it has dispatched an investigatory team to Zhenping and ordered the local government to punish any officials who are found to be responsible for the forced abortion.
"What the authorities did in Zhenping represents a serious violation of national and provincial policies and regulations on population and family planning, has undermined the reputation of our work and negatively impacted society," the commission said.
The commission said most of the descriptions of Feng's case found in online posts were factual. But investigators are still looking into allegations that Feng was illegally detained before the abortion was performed.
Authorities in Zhenping said Feng consented to the abortion, adding that Feng was not legally entitled to have a second child. Feng previously gave birth to a girl in 2007.
"Feng is not entitled to have a second child, according to policies on family planning. Therefore, local officials brought her to the hospital to receive the abortion," Su Huaichun, a publicity official in Zhenping, said Thursday.
However, Feng's abortion took place late in her pregnancy, a practice that is prohibited by China's laws on population and family planning.
"According to law, mothers who are not entitled to have a second baby are indeed required to terminate their pregnancy at an early stage," an anonymous official with the Shaanxi Provincial Population and Family Planning Commission said Thursday.
"But in Feng's case, she was in the late phase of her pregnancy and an abortion could cause physical injury to her. The correct way to deal with the case would have been for local officials to allow her to deliver the baby first, and then mete out punishment according to regulations," the official said.
"We have ordered local governments in Shaanxi to prevent such things from happening again," he said.
While rural residents and ethnic minorities are permitted to have more than one child, urban residents like Feng are limited to a single child, according to family planning policies introduced in the 1970s to rein in China's surging population.
Local officials and doctors insisted that the abortion was carried out with Feng's consent, a claim that Feng and her family have denied, according to a report in the Thursday edition of the Huangshangbao Daily, an influential newspaper in Shaanxi.
Deng Jiyuan, Feng's husband, told the newspaper that the forced abortion took place because the family refused to pay a deposit of 40,000 yuan ($6,349) to the township government.
"I don't know what the deposit was for," Deng said.
Yuan Fang, a population and family planning official from the township government, said Feng's urban "hukou," or household registration permit, prevents her from having more than one child.
"She would need to transfer her 'hukou' to our township first before having the baby. The money was charged as a deposit for the transfer and would have been paid back if her family had done so," Yuan said.
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_http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-06/27/content_15524501.htm
Officials punished for NW China forced abortion
Updated: 2012-06-27 02:41
(Xinhua)
XI'AN - The city government of Ankang has announced punishments for officials involved in a forced abortion in northwest China's Shaanxi province.
Feng Jianmei, 23, was forced to terminate her pregnancy over seven months in a hospital in Zhenping county on June 2. That violated her rights late in her pregnancy, according to the investigation report released by the Ankang municipal government on Tuesday.
Several government officials in Zhenping, which is administrated by Ankang, and its Zengjia township violated the laws of central and local government on population and family planning, said the report.
The government said its has decided to subject Yu Yanmei, deputy county magistrate of Zhenping in charging of family planning, with administrative demerits according to national and provincial policies and regulation.
Jiang Nenghai, head of the family planning bureau of Zhenping, has been removed from his post. Some other officials of the township, county government and the county hospital that aborted Feng's pregnancy, were also punished.
According to the investigation, while persuading Feng to receive the abortion, some staff of the township government used crude means to violate her intentions.
There was also no legal basis for the township government's demand that Feng and her family pay a deposit of 40,000 yuan (about 6,228 U.S. dollars) for a certificate allowing her to have her second child.
Feng, a non-agricultural resident born on December 25, 1989, gave birth to a girl in 2007 while she was 17, said the report.
Under family planning laws, Feng was not legally entitled to have a second child.
The investigation showed that Feng lied in claiming to be an agricultural resident and entered her birth date as January 21, 1985, on the marriage registration.
In March 2012, local family planning authorities found Feng had entered her third month of pregnancy and asked her to migrate her 'hukou' -- household registration certificate -- to her husband's account and obtain the necessary certificate for a second child.
Feng and her family offered no response to the township government's request and did not pay the deposit.
Details of the case, including several photos showing the remains of the fetus lying next to the mother on her hospital bed, were posted on online forums and have shocked and angered many people nationwide.
Ankang municipal government had already ordered the Zhenping county government to offer Feng's family compensation.
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_http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-07/11/content_15569665.htm
Forced abortion case settled after family is paid
Updated: 2012-07-11 14:42
(Xinhua)
XI'AN - The family of a young Chinese woman forced to have a late-term abortion has agreed to settle the case out of court after local government offered a compensation of about 70,000 yuan ($11,023), officials said Wednesday.
Feng Jianmei and her husband Deng Jiyuan signed an agreement with the township government of Zenjia, Northwest China's Shaanxi province, late Tuesday to close the case, township officials told Xinhua.
Beijing-based lawyer Zhang Kai, who represents the Deng family, told Xinhua that as the agreement was signed, the family dropped a lawsuit seeking state compensation in court.
"The signing of the agreement means neither party should raise any question related to the issue again," said an official who declined to be named. "The money has been paid."
Zhang said Deng sought legal support from him on June 28 but on Monday said he wanted to settle the case outside the courtroom with the government after visiting his sick mother in Nanjing.
The official said the government is committed to provide needed support to Deng's family in future should they encounter difficulties in life and at work. The government will also provide assistance to medical treatment of Deng's mother, the official added.
Feng, 23, was forced to abort her baby seven months into her pregnancy at a local hospital on June 2 as the family refused to pay 40,000 yuan demanded by local family planning officials as guarantee for clearing the legal ground for her to have a second child.
The ordeal of the family sparked controversy and a government probe later found that the guarantee claim was illegal and officials had violated a ban stipulated in national and provincial family planning rules on late pregnancy abortion.
