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I would like to share with you some thoughts that, given the nature of the things discused in this forum, I think could be interesting to talk about.

Since the ancient times, the Human Being has theorized about the nature of the universe, the existence of God and invisible worlds. I think that our current state limits us in such a way that we can not find answers to these questions through the study of the things we can see, touch or analyze.

Many years ago, when I was a child, some day I was thinking about the reason of this kind of material experience and if it could be found any way to win the game, a way to get out of the maze. Suddenly I felt a thought: "Of course there is an exit door, you would not have came here without a way out.".

So, I started to think about that. What could be the exit? How to find it? I noticed first I should understand what I am and what is the universe. One night, I was thinking about all that, when I decided to refocus the problem under analytic view of the programmer, because my father taught me to program when I was 8 years old. My impression was that the design of the universe could be reduced to the design of a computer program. You know, you have information: waves, particles, dimensions, interactions, etc, so it can be emulated in a computer. I tried to take the role of God creating the universe at the very beginning assuming God was alone, without anything but its own thinking ability.

Then I found the first problem: Where to create the universe if there is nothing but me? There is no space, no canvas, no playfield (that would be the universe itself). How can the creator create anything outside its own being?

A very strong feeling started to make me think: "EUREKA! God created the universe in its own mind!";

Oh dude! that was for me like experiencing the nirvana... And I quickly tried to create a logical diagram to explore and comprehend this moment of illumination. What I got is the following philosophical reasoning:

1) Axiom: I exist.

In order to derive conclusions, we need an axiom, a non-questionable starting point. Let this axiom be my own existence, since is the only thing, the only fact I can be 100% sure is true and real.

This is unquestionable, it can not be proved mathematically, but it is self-evident.

2) Axiom: I exist and I can observe.

I am a spectator, I observe the phenomena. I feel input: thoughts, vision, audio, etc. So, I am something which can feel other "somethings". This is self-evident too.

3) Deduction: "To be observable" implies "To exist".

I'm sure my existence is real but, what about the existence of what I observe? Are my thoughts real? Are real the EM waves that my brain interpret as colors and forms? Are real the objects which emanate or reflect these waves? It is real the matter I can touch?
Well, I don't know if all that is real because, first: what means "real"? But I'm sure these things exist because they are being perceived and "to be perceived" implies first "to exist". It can be imagination, a dream, an illusion, "solid matter" or whatever, but it IS something.

4) Deduction: There is only 1 Existence, because the Non-Being doesn't exist.

Ok, so I exist and what I observe exist but, do we exist in different existences?
If there are multiple existences this implies that the existences must be separated by something. If existence is "to exist" what thing could exist different to "to exist"?: The non existence, the Non-Being.

But there is no such thing like that, because if the Non-Being exists it never can be Non-Being, non-existence, the simple fact of being would disable its role of non-being. If the Non-Being exists is something, it exists, so it is also Existence.

So the existente is common to everything, everything "is" in the existence.
Also everything is existence, because there is nothing different to "The Existence", nothing can separate it in different parts, so there is only 1 existence.

5) Deduction: The Being knows no limits.

The non existence of the Non-Being has enormous implications. First, everything exists, and nothing ceases to exist. Something can not become nothing. So the past has not gone forever, it will exist forever and the future is now, it exists already. There are infinite pasts, infinite nows, infinite futures, infinite universes, realities, etc.

The Existence, not being limited in any way by the Non-Existence, knows no limits, and any imaginable posibility, form, system, combination, experience, etc, exists already. It has no begining, because it never started to be. There was not anything different to it, and it did not emerge from the Non-Being.

Increated, without origin or beginning, without end.

6) Deduction: You and me are the same.

So, if there is only 1 Existence, if there is only 1 Being, you are me and I am you. Our lifes are parallel lifes of the same being. Our bodies are "different eyes" of the same "brain". I am not into an universe, all the universes are in me and I am all the universes.


I'm not alone, others thought this before.

Then, at the school, I learned others had thought this before me. Like Parmenides, whose philosophy says basically the same. I got very excited the day my teacher explained Parmenides' philosophy and, at the same time, I was shocked because no one in the classroom noticed the extreme importance of this.

I've found this reasoning was a common topic in ancient cultures, for example in India. You can read in the Bhagavad Gita:

"The Non-Being has no existence, and the Being will never cease to exist. Those who have understood this truth are the reality seers."

And the Cs has given us this too:

1994-10-18:

Q: (L) Is there only one ultimate creator of the universe

A: All is one. And one is all.

1994-12-17:

Q: (DM) Everyone has a creator.

A: We are not creator any more than you are. We are all creator!

1995-12-12:

Q: (L) Well, that says a lot. One of the questions on the list is: In many of the Sumerian drawings and literature, the gods, the Annunaki, are described as eating a plant that grew at the bottom of the ocean, and this plant was the source of eternal life.

A: Nonsense! The source of eternal life is existence!

1996-01-13:

Q: (P) Next question: How does one determine if they are channeling a 3rd density dead dude, or a higher density being?

A: Corrections and clarifications needed: "Dead Dudes" are 5th density beings. Either they are stuck in 3rd density, or they are communicating from 5th density, not 3rd density!! They are not 3rd density! 1st density includes all physical matter below the level of consciousness. 6th density is uniform in the level pattern of lightness, as there is complete balance on this density level, and the lightness is represented as knowledge. 7th density is union with the one... it is timeless in every sense of the word, as its "essence" radiates through all that exists in all possible awareness realms. The light one sees at the termination of each conscious physical manifestation is the union, itself. Remember, 4th density is the first that includes variable physicality!! Ponder this carefully!!! And, remember, there is only one "God," and that the creator includes all that is created and vice versa!

Monotheism deprived man of this idea.

Monotheism introduces the idea of separation: There is a powerfull God who created you and the Universe and you exist by its will. You can not comprehend it, you must be simply servant of the lord. There is a hierarchy and you have your place in it, never will you be able to be on the top but, if you are good, you will go to the paradise and there you will enjoy the glory of God.

This inherently leads you to a position where this no questioning of the nature of God, the Universe, the Being... creates a blocking, a mental prison which prevents you achieving higher knowledge. And this facilitates too that you accept that, those who have been chosen by God as his representatives, will govern you and will decide for you.


What do you think?
 
i was just asking my mom if we should go into the light at the moment we leave our bodies.. good to know that light is the union! now i feel dumb for thinking i could get "kidnapped" when i die and forced to reincarnate..(im so tired of this life)

one day this being made of stars came to me and told me that the sun was a "group" of enlightened beings.. i still don't quite understand what she meant but it seems as if she was trying to explain densities to me maybe???? :-[ :rolleyes:

i wonder how many" bodies "do we have? do we have several energy bodies?
 
Red Star said:
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Monotheism deprived man of this idea.

Monotheism introduces the idea of separation: There is a powerfull God who created you and the Universe and you exist by its will. You can not comprehend it, you must be simply servant of the lord. There is a hierarchy and you have your place in it, never will you be able to be on the top but, if you are good, you will go to the paradise and there you will enjoy the glory of God.

This inherently leads you to a position where this no questioning of the nature of God, the Universe, the Being... creates a blocking, a mental prison which prevents you achieving higher knowledge. And this facilitates too that you accept that, those who have been chosen by God as his representatives, will govern you and will decide for you.
[...]

If indeed there are beings of higher densities that "eat" lower beings energy for nourishment, Monotheism may be part of a plan. A plan to take away creativity, ability to think critically, to inhibit growth in Knowledge and Being. In essence, emulating the removal of free will, for free will to exist choices are to be made. A choice cannot be made though ignorance of possibilities. And what if this Monotheism can be split into numerous factions? Having them fight amongst each other. Perhaps this plan may be likened to a cattle ranch. Methinks a rancher would want the herd all fattend up. And if those beings of higher densities consider negative emotions as delectable delights then "they" surely are at a smorgasbord buffet nowadays...
:umm: :umm: :umm:
 
LIV said:
i was just asking my mom if we should go into the light at the moment we leave our bodies.. good to know that light is the union! now i feel dumb for thinking i could get "kidnapped" when i die and forced to reincarnate..(im so tired of this life)

one day this being made of stars came to me and told me that the sun was a "group" of enlightened beings.. i still don't quite understand what she meant but it seems as if she was trying to explain densities to me maybe???? :-[ :rolleyes:

i wonder how many" bodies "do we have? do we have several energy bodies?

Hi LIV,

Have a look at Bodies of man for starters. :)
 
Maybe the "All" and "None" are the same.
If the unity of Being STO is the "All" is that it is God. If God is all things, it can not be defined by anything. So if anything, and no "Name" can not define God (All) is that God is "Nothing." Things have a definition and a "name" because they are in the separation of the "All". Entropy and creation are fractures "All", and breath of God, and "Nothing." "In the beginning there was the word." The verb is "The Name" and action, movement. Prior to the appointment, there was only "The Nothing" and it is timeless.
That is why it seems to me the Hebrew alphabet begins with the "Aleth" a silent letter (Nothing), and the second letter of the alphabet, "B" (Beth) and one by which the Bible begins. For all things are born of "Nothing".
 
This made me think about one of the sessions:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34927.msg496612.html#msg496612

A: What do you suppose the opposite of gravity is?

Q: (L) Antigravity?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, if all that exists were like a blown up balloon, and the surface of the balloon represents the static state of gravity, 7th density maybe... and it begins to bump out in different places... and all these little bumps are loci of manifestation of various densities - and this is very simplified, I am just trying to get an image - is this getting, even very simplistically, an idea that I can work with?

A: As long as you have an "anti-balloon" too.

Q: (L) So, can we make the outer surface of the balloon a balloon, and the inner surface or the air the "anti-balloon?"

A: No.

Q: (L) Two balloons next to one another?

A: No. A non-balloon.

Q: (L) A non-balloon? You are making me CRAZY! You are saying that NOTHING exists! We are just not even HERE!

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, for God's SAKE! Help me out with a visual on this! Okay, a balloon in front of a mirror, the reflection of the balloon is the "non-balloon."

A: No.

Q: (L) The non-balloon is when the balloon switches off - but it does it so fast you are not aware of it - like a pulsation...? I mean, I am desperate here!

A: You see, my dear, when you arrive at 4th density, then you will see.

Q: (L) Well, how in the heck am I supposed to get there if I can't "get it?"

A: Who says you have to "get it" before you get there?

Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the wave going to do to expand this awareness? Because, if the wave is what "gets you there," what makes this so?

A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?

Q: (L) So, it is a question of...

A: Answer, please.

Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.

A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.

Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...

A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.

Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?

A: Karmic and simple understandings.

Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they fairly universal?

A: They are universal.
So maybe there is a nothing except we just can't fathom it in a material realm.
It's like in the yin yang sign, the white with the black dot and the black with the white dot, being can't exist as and of itself without non-being and vice versa.
 
I appreciate the time you put into this post, connecting your thoughts to previous answers from the Cs.

Thank you Red Star.
 
lainey said:
So maybe there is a nothing except we just can't fathom it in a material realm.
It's like in the yin yang sign, the white with the black dot and the black with the white dot, being can't exist as and of itself without non-being and vice versa.

I think that there is not "Nothing"/Not-Being, but there are 2 basic expressions, forces, or sides:

The expansive-creative expression → It pushes the being to the infinite, to the total consciousness, to the totally awake state.
The contractible-destructive expression → It drags the being to the infinitesimal, to the total unconsciousness, to the totally asleep state.

To experience the phenomena (the illusion, the separation, the multiplicity), I think the Being "pulsates". It is like a wave: It alternates between 2 states: expansion - contraction / high - low / consciousness - unconsciousness. I think this is related to gravity and it is the source of the idea of the "duality" in Ying/Yang.

I suspect the Being needs this balance or pulsation to focus its contemplation in itself in a "limited" way, this is, to not to see everything at the same "time", and this occurs in a timeless state, this is, these pulsations are like "ripples" in the fabric of the Existence which are not moving at all.

This transcript is related to this:

1998-12-19:

Q: At some level, yes. So, still I ask, why, in the illusion in which we exist, or in which they exist... (A) They say here that everything is an illusion, and on the other hand they say there is consciousness and matter. Everything is an illusion? Even this?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) God is also an illusion?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) Illusion to whom?

A: To those not on level 7. Your learning naturally dictates your experiences. Once you no longer require something, you naturally move beyond it. However, you retain it as a function of understanding.

Q: (A) And I am also an illusion! And understanding is also an illusion! (L) Back to my question: who created Lizzies AS LIZZIES? (A) Our illusion...

A: Everything is real, therefore, illusion is reality.

Q: (L) If everything is an illusion, from what does this illusion spring, and into what space does it spring?

A: Your consciousness.

Q: (L) Where did this consciousness originate?

A: Consciousness is the absolute, the center point.

Q: (L) Where is it centered?

A: Within the access.

Q: (L) What is the access?

A: The prompt that begets energy.

Q: (L) Of what is this energy made?

A: The consciousness.

Q: (L) Was there ever a time when this consciousness did not exist?

A: No, but there never was a time.

Q: (L) What prompted this consciousness to dream up all these illusions?

A: Need for balance. Energy cannot exist within a vacuum, therefore it must pulse. Hence you have waves.

Q: (L) You say that the impetus for dreaming up all the illusions was the need for balance; that implies imbalance, and that the imbalance was existence in a vacuum...

A: No.

Q: (L) What was the impetus for the need for balance?

A: Not a need, per se, just a natural function.

Q: (L) Well, when you have a pulse, you have a wave, and if you have a wave, that implies time.

A: Therein lies the crux of your 3rd density illusion. Why assume that any given aspect of the pulse is not occurring simultaneously with any other. And if any are, all are. Until you once and for all break free from the illusion of time, you will not advance.

This is a very important transcript because they get down to bedrock.

They have said that the information that they have given to Laura is incremental / progressive. This is, as Laura advanced, they gave her more details of important questions or changed the story because Laura's beliefs had changed and she was ready to accept the information or understand it more correctly or deeply.

Before the previous transcript, there is another of 1994 where they talk about the Existence:

1994-12-10:

A: Total non-existance balances total existence. Guess what is total existence?
Q: (L) Well, that is pleasant. And what happens to energy that is "total non-existence"?

A: Total non-existence balances total existence. Guess what is total existence?

Q: (L) Well, is it kind of like a balancing force?

A: "God."

Q: (T) Are we talking about the creator god as in the Pleiadians?

A: Not Pleiadians. Prime Creator.

Q: (T) What is the difference between the Prime Creator and "God?"

A: None. As long as you exist, you are of the Prime Creator.

Q: (L) Now, this stuff that goes into Black Holes, that goes into non-existence, is that, then, not part of the Prime Creator?

A: Correct.

Q: (L) How can Prime Creator lose any part of him or itself?

A: Prime Creator does not "lose" anything.

Q: (L) Well, then, how would you describe this energy that was in existence and then is no longer in existence because it has become or gone into a Black Hole?

A: Reflection is regenerated at level 1.

Q: (L) So, this energy goes into a Black Hole and... does it come out on the other side?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does it become like a primal atom?

A: No.

Q: (T) Does it go back into the cycle?

A: No. Reflection regenerates as primal atoms.

Q: (L) So, this energy that is sucked into the Black Holes... what (T) When we put out energy as positive or negative energy, and there are beings on other levels that feed on this energy, is this true?

A: Yes.

Here they say "Total non-existence balances total existence. Guess what is total existence?", but, what are they really talking about? I think they are talking about an state because they give to the existence/non-existence an attribute: "total". Then they ask Laura what is "total existence". Laura says "is it kind of like a balancing force?" and they respond "God". Then they say there is no difference between God and Prime Creator and that we are the Prime Creator.

Then Laura asks "Now, this stuff that goes into Black Holes, that goes into non-existence, is that, then, not part of the Prime Creator?" and they answer "Correct" so she asks "How can Prime Creator lose any part of him or itself?" and they respond "Prime Creator does not 'lose' anything.". Apparently this is a contradiction but when they say "Reflection is regenerated at level 1." this appears to clarify the idea. I think they are saying that the stuff that is sucked in a black hole is transformed or driven to 1st density.

So, I deduce they are not saying there is Non-Being, but they are saying there is a balance of "Total Existence" (7th density) and Total Non-Existence (1st density). IMHO this is mostly related to consciousness than to existence.

This other transcript is related:

1996-01-13:

Q: (P) Next question: How does one determine if they are channeling a 3rd density dead dude, or a higher density being?

A: Corrections and clarifications needed: "Dead Dudes" are 5th density beings. Either they are stuck in 3rd density, or they are communicating from 5th density, not 3rd density!! They are not 3rd density! 1st density includes all physical matter below the level of consciousness. 6th density is uniform in the level pattern of lightness, as there is complete balance on this density level, and the lightness is represented as knowledge. 7th density is union with the one... it is timeless in every sense of the word, as its "essence" radiates through all that exists in all possible awareness realms. The light one sees at the termination of each conscious physical manifestation is the union, itself. Remember, 4th density is the first that includes variable physicality!! Ponder this carefully!!! And, remember, there is only one "God," and that the creator includes all that is created and vice versa!

So 1st density is when consciousness is asleep. There is no perception, like total unconsciousness, this could be the "Non-Existence". In this state nothing is perceived but other beings above 1st density perceive 1st density.
 
zin said:
I appreciate the time you put into this post, connecting your thoughts to previous answers from the Cs.

Thank you Red Star.

You're welcome :)
 
Here is what comes to my mind from all this. Picture a graph of a hyperbole. (LOL wait - that is not the correct term but it strikes me as kind of funnY) - Parabola, that's it. IT approaches the axis but it never quite gets there. Like Zeno.

So perhaps there is not quite absolute being or non-being; they exist as functions of each other. If you really had absolute being, you'd be at the zero point of the pulsation of existence; the intersection of an infinite number of big bangs. God starting over again, so to speak. (although perhaps god/existence never started and always existed.) So here we are back at which came first: the chicken or the egg? And does the answer even matter?

One other thought. And this ties into the thread about butterfly wings of different logical minds coming up with different results.

3) Deduction: "To be observable" implies "To exist".

I also get from this: "To be observable" implies a difference or separation (illusionary or otherwise) between the observed and the observer. (hence, the basis of monotheism!)

And then this devil in the details: Is there a qualitative difference between observing your imaginations and observing a rock or another apparently separate being? Is one more real or at a different level of existence or is it all the same?

As for me, I never liked one-size-fits-all solutions, especially given my proclivity to 'not fit'.
 
BHelmet said:
So perhaps there is not quite absolute being or non-being; they exist as functions of each other. If you really had absolute being, you'd be at the zero point of the pulsation of existence; the intersection of an infinite number of big bangs. God starting over again, so to speak. (although perhaps god/existence never started and always existed.) So here we are back at which came first: the chicken or the egg? And does the answer even matter?

That's exactly the problem. Until we are limited by the parameters inherent to our human condition, we can not have a clear view of this, because our linear perception of time, the concepts of "before" and "after" are like a prison for our mind.

An analogy of this would be a computer program, whose instructions (body/mind) reside in the RAM memory (3rd Density / our reality), trying to take a view of how the DIMM RAM module circuit looks like from outside.
 
Red Star said:
Until we are limited by the parameters inherent to our human condition, we can not have a clear view of this....

I think you meant to say "until we are no longer limited by the parameters.etc."

but yeah
 
BHelmet said:
I think you meant to say "until we are no longer limited by the parameters.etc."

Yes, sorry, English is not my native language.
 
There's much more I'd like to write here, but for now in the absence of time to respond more thoughtfully, I found this article offers an interesting angle on this topic.

http://www.scienceandnonduality.com/the-threat-of-panpsychism-a-warning/

To add a personal note, the kind of contemplation at the heart of this thread has been my core spiritual practice for 15 years. I find the practice to be fruitful as it has grounded a sense of Being in me that is solid, nearly unshakeable. Oddly, I also find it silly, because with that grounding, there is no reason to talk about it. After all, to whom would I be directing comments, as if I am trying to prove something to myself by gaining 3rd-party perspective? I suppose I could be looking for feedback to revise and improved my understanding of Being, but for what purpose? So I can be better at Being or better at explaining Being to that same Being who imagines itself as something other than that very same Being? So the cat chases it's tail :) Quite frustrating. I've been told that it's akin to drilling through hard rock...or my own hard head.

And why the frustration? I am not a cat. I may know all there is to know about cats' biology, behavior, folklore, etc., but not Being a cat means I only have information that translates poorly to my personal experience. Who cares about cats, anyway? (I do...love them...one sleeping on my desk at the moment) I once commented to my wife that I was frustrated because I can't love her enough to actually Be her. Imagine the look of bewildered confusion such a comment would induce. Hence, the frustration of love truncated by misunderstood Being.

Nevertheless, I find myself compelled to continue the practice, and to occasionally comment: panpsychism vs. materialism engenders some sort of threat. Hmmm.
 
BHelmet said:
Here is what comes to my mind from all this. Picture a graph of a hyperbole. (LOL wait - that is not the correct term but it strikes me as kind of funnY) - Parabola, that's it. IT approaches the axis but it never quite gets there. Like Zeno.

So perhaps there is not quite absolute being or non-being; they exist as functions of each other. If you really had absolute being, you'd be at the zero point of the pulsation of existence; the intersection of an infinite number of big bangs. God starting over again, so to speak. (although perhaps god/existence never started and always existed.) So here we are back at which came first: the chicken or the egg? And does the answer even matter?

One other thought. And this ties into the thread about butterfly wings of different logical minds coming up with different results.

3) Deduction: "To be observable" implies "To exist".

I also get from this: "To be observable" implies a difference or separation (illusionary or otherwise) between the observed and the observer. (hence, the basis of monotheism!)

And then this devil in the details: Is there a qualitative difference between observing your imaginations and observing a rock or another apparently separate being? Is one more real or at a different level of existence or is it all the same?

As for me, I never liked one-size-fits-all solutions, especially given my proclivity to 'not fit'.

Hello BHelmet, that was funny, but what I think you were thinking of was a HYPERBOLA.

OK, now we got that straight I'll tell you what I think.
Imagine a funnel, a large one. A conic hyperbola.
Take a marble or a ball-bearing, a spherical object, and roll it around the rim.
You will note that it falls towards the hole in the funnel as it rotates, and eventually will disappear into the hole.
The funny thing is that it 'seems' to go faster as it approaches the centre of the funnel, but it in actuality is going at the same 'speed' that it started with.
But now the tangential speed is being translated into a vertical 'speed'.
And it pops out of the end of the funnel.

Right, now imagine a black hole.
Objects are falling into it and appear to be rotating around it, only to disappear into the 'hole', as they pass the event horizon, or exceed the speed of light. They are moving incredibly fast.
Imagine how fast they are moving as they translate from tangential motion to the vertical motion.
In my opinion, this is the point where they translate from 'matter' to 'energy'.

You will note that on some images of black holes, that there appear to be 'jets' emanating out of the 'poles'.
Maybe that is where all the energy goes, as atoms are stripped apart by the gravity.
It is worth noting that there are some quasars out there that sweep the sky like beacons, perhaps these are precessing, or wobbling black holes.

OK, now we can get back to our practice of SPINNING.
Are we in fact transferring our 'matter' into 'energy' ?

I'm not a mathematician or a physicist, but all comments are welcome.
 

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