Science > Political Ponerology: Macrosocial Evil
Israel official: Strike on Iran possible
Biomiast:
--- Quote ---They have US and UK behind them that can balance things when comes to numbers and conventional warfare but nuclear weapons gives them also advantage, and I think that using them they have only chances to give Iran serious stroke, they now it probably and are testing missiles for it.
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Even though they may balance the odds, I get the feeling that there will be a time where these powers would say Israel, "Alright mate, we have come this far, now you are on your own." This is not necessarily because of Israel's crimes or anything, just a way pathologicals operate, they cooporate until they do not need each other anymore. Nukes can change many things during the warfare, including public opinion, so it is a very dangerous weapon to use.
--- Quote ---But the thing could get out of control on world stage if Russia and China react but like C's said they are all under same control which is evident through actions of Russia and China that didn't do nothing while NATO went into rampage mod in last decade.
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C's also said there are groups with different conflicting purposes among PTB, so this may only be a show, but also as things get ugly between people and governments, some of these groups may fight with each other to secure their position. Russia and China are important factors in this case, but I wouldn't underestimate Iran. If we look at Afghanistan, coalition forces may win the appearent battle, but since they do not have people's support or even compliance, they didn't actually win. This is also the case for Iraq war, and Iran is much more resilient than those two with its technology and religious ideology. Also it is speculated that Syria and Lebanon or Palestine(I don't remember which one) is forming some kind of coalition among themselves to attack their enemies jointly. I don't know how it is presented in Western media, but in Turkey, there is an anti-Syria campaign further escalating each day. Syria is afraid of the fate of Libya and with each day, it is presented as such.
It is almost as if somebody pushed a button to work against Iran and Syria, trying to eliminate both. For what reason, I don't know. :huh:
dannybananny:
--- Quote ---If we look at Afghanistan, coalition forces may win the appearent battle, but since they do not have people's support or even compliance, they didn't actually win.
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But their intention was not to win but to have constant war I think because it's profitable which has also been shown by their financing and helping tali ban groups (or mercenaries or special ops disguised as tali bans), this also cause great financial pressure and worsening of economic standard in U.S. Killing innocent civilians is probably order from high above so to create new resistance from victim families and prolong war. It's not about winning, that's an old concept and hard to achieve in today's world, it's all part of a bigger picture even if it looks from lesser plane as failure.
--- Quote ---C's also said there are groups with different conflicting purposes among PTB, so this may only be a show, but also as things get ugly between people and governments, some of these groups may fight with each other to secure their position. Russia and China are important factors in this case, but I wouldn't underestimate Iran
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Yes, but when it comes to controlling masses I see them united in their goal like medieval nobility - fighting each other but united against peasants and people, they know what's coming and every side is jeopardy no matter how much are they in conflict, but it has many levels so is probably complicated. And when it comes to Israel I find it funny that some people write Zionists control US, etc.., in the reality they are led to believe they are in control or are influenced to take certain actions, or that "Zionists" are acting for Israel, nothing would be allowed if it doesn't serve their agenda, those articles that say it's about oil, Geo-politics miss the deeper insight.
--- Quote ---It is almost as if somebody pushed a button to work against Iran and Syria, trying to eliminate both. For what reason, I don't know.
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In what Nazi Germany failed they hope they'll succeed, actually they did so far, it's all repeating. Elimination before transformation. That's my perception so far.
PopHistorian:
Gotta love that, "might be forced to launch a military strike." We just can't help it! We have no choice! Same thing that came out of the GW Bush administration.
bngenoh:
Since they would only go to Iran by going through Syria, this:
--- Quote ---Senior European sources said that Arab jet fighters, and possibly Turkish warplanes, backed by American logistic support will implement a no fly zone in Syria's skies, after the Arab League will issue a decision, under its Charter, calling for the protection of Syrian civilians.
The sources told Kuwait's al Rai daily that the no fly ban will include a ban on the movement of Syrian military vehicles, including tanks, personnel carriers and artillery, adding that this move would aim at curbing the movement of Assad forces, and cripple their ability to bomb cities. The European sources said the no fly ban might lead to the paralysis of the Syrian regime forces "in less than 24 hours."
Meanwhile, it is reported that the leadership of the Turkish General Staff informed all the concerned parties with the Syrian issue its rejection of the idea that the Turkish army would launch any invasion to the Syrian territory including the area adjacent to the Turkish border to establish a "buffer zone" to protect civilians fleeing the violence.
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Source: http://www.albawaba.com/en/node/402102
Is alarming if true. But they didn't name who the "senior European sources" were. So it might just be fear mongering, you know, "you will hear of wars, and rumors of wars." But, something to keep an eye on.
bngenoh:
Looks like Iran is beefing up its defenses:
--- Quote ---Domestically manufactured coast-to-sea missile systems were delivered to the Iranian Navy during a ceremony held on Wednesday with the participation of Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi and Navy Commander Habibollah Sayyari.
"Today with the delivery of a considerable number of coast-to-sea missile systems to the Navy, naval forces are able to carry out their defense missions on the coasts more powerfully," Vahidi said at the ceremony.
He also said that strengthening the Navy is one of the main strategies of the Defense Ministry.
On the features of coast-to-sea missile systems, Brigadier General Vahidi said that rotating launchers of the systems enable naval forces to control a wider range, and the fact that the systems are connected through an integrated communications network makes it possible for defense units to simultaneously track and intercept several targets.
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Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said, "We proudly announce that in view of the systems that are in our possession and the systems that were delivered today, the Islamic Republic of Iran's Navy, through reliance on God, is able to give a firm response to any threat in the sea and on the coast."
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Source: http://www.payvand.com/news/11/nov/1245.html
Don't know if the blast that was just reported at Isfahan will decrease their defense capabilities.
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