c.a. said:
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I once lived in small flat of of apartments. One of my neighbors, was an elderly gay man. When ever we would have face to face conversations (about musings around the neighborhood), it always felt like he was looking at me like as if i were in a meat case, as a possible piece of USDA prime.
After or brief verbal conventions, i always felt like i needed to take shower. Just creepy.
I think it's fair to say that Ariana Grande brought up a very important topic. Simply because I doubt there is a girl who has never been in that very situation of disrespectful (and disgusting) objectification. The above comment by c.a. illustrates very clearly how it feels, thanks for describing the situation.
It's funny how straight men go insane when they are being objectified by gay men but when they do the same to women - she was asking for it because of what she wore, what she said, how she danced or simply because she was sipping on an alcoholic drink.
Unless you were wearing tight shorts, I doubt the situation you described was provoked by your outfit or behaviour. And let me reassure you women get objectified regardless what they wear. I can reassure you of this because I myself am a woman who had men shouting at her from their car in the street when I was running to the corner shop to do my grocery shopping in ripped jeans, sneakers and a baggy t-shirt.
Menna said:
Tough to work on yourself when you have hundreds of people pulling your strings your goal is fame attention and sell yourself for the spotlight likes and money. I understand what your saying but I also hope that others understand that celebrities like her want attention and dress for it publicity is what keeps her in the public eye. For someone to disrespect her because of how she dresses is not correct but as it is said if ariana plays in the dirt she is going to get dirty.
She does it for more than "Art"
She also then says wearing a short skirt is not asking for assault. Well of course it's not but it is asking for controversy if you are looking at the world as it is she is blurring the lines with that comment. In an ideal world we should all be able to walk around naked without problems however in the objective world if you dress like a policeman people are going to think your a policeman if you dress like a floozy people are going to think you are more aligned toward that behavior "art" or no "art"
Menna, if this is what you think of celebrities, I would be really amazed if your opinion of women in workplaces, clubs or pubs is any different. Please don't try to convince me I am incorrect, I have heard arguments very similar to what you wrote expressed by my men I know about women they know. I could give you a long speech about what I find hurtful and really disappointing about what you wrote. This topic could be argued till the end of time and I somehow doubt anything I said would make you change your mind.
I would however like to point out that you have a shirtless photo of yourself as your avatar. It makes me wonder whether you don't see anything wrong with objectification because you don't mind being objectified yourself. This is absolutely fine of course, there are women who enjoy this kind of attention too. But there are also people of both sexes who simply do not welcome it. I myself prefer to be assessed wholistically and if someone isn't capable of it, it says a lot about them, not about me.
Hopefully the below post will give you a different perspective:
_https://web.facebook.com/abrine/posts/10153959293409401?_rdr
I'm gunna start going home with random very drunk guys and stealing all of their shit. Everything they own. It won't be my fault though... they were drunk. They should have known better. I'll get away with it 90% of the time but then when one brave man takes me to court over it, I'll argue that I wasn't sure if he meant it when he said 'no don't steal my Audi.' I just wasn't sure if he meant it. I said 'Can I please steal your Gucci watch?' He said 'no' but I just wasn't sure if he meant it. He was drunk.He brought this on himself. You should have seen how he was dressed at the club, expensive shirts and shoes. What kind of message is he sending with that!? I thought he wanted me to come and steal all of his shit. He was asking for it. When he said 'no' to me taking everything he owned I just didn't know if he meant it. 'No' isn't objective enough, it could mean anything.
By the way, every girl I shared it with LOVED it and the post went viral when it was first published.