So what about the other pattern? Are OP's a part of this pattern? Or are they a part of the much more limited pattern above? I think maybe "successful OP's" are a part, or subset, of the set of humans that will eventually attain infinite realization (ie. they are not in the set of humans that are eternally "boxed in" to limitation). One aspect of this second pattern is the idea of how many "iterations" it takes someone to "break out of the barriers" that limit possibilities. Perhaps OP's just take much longer then Souled humans. Maybe this is related to the ideas of short-wave cycles and long-wave cycles. In general, humans that can eventually break out of the barriers that restrict possibilities (whether they do it quickly or over much more time/iterations), seem to "bounce around" in the "lower states" until they finally do break free of limitation. In my opinion, this seems to accurately describe certain patterns that we see among people. And it would also explain why much of humanity seems confined within such a small "possibility space" or "state space". It would explain why even Souled humans seem to resemble OP's and sometimes even psychopaths until that point when any given person is able to break free of limitations on possibilities for the future. The point in time where any one person can break these limitations seems to be variable and unpredictable for each person, though patterns do abound.
I have to say that this seems like a reasonable way to think about the problem overall though it doesn't help me to wrap my brain around the more immediate issues such as just coming to terms with understanding on a daily basis. Also, how do you deal with those issues of the C's and Sufism that propose that a goodly portion of "humanity" are on a "downward path" to "matterization." Ibn al-Arabi suggests that 3rd Density is a "crossroads" of sorts where the choice is made either for the path of greater and greater consciousness, or intensifying ignorance and traveling down the chain of "beasts". He doesn't say much more about it, but the C's talk about the contractile nature of STS and how it eventually ends up in something like a black hole, and that whatever goes into a black hole comes out on the other side as primal matter. I suppose that it does that in another universe just as there may be other universes feeding primal matter into our own. Maybe that is connected with Supernovae? Perhaps the real trigger for a supernova is a critical mass of stuff sucked into a black hole on the "other side"?
But I digress.
The 2D/3D bridge comment seems to imply that OP's are "new humans." They're just starting grade 3.
This seems to be reasonable and in line with the "long wave cycle" mentioned by zoobiedoo as well. And if such is the case, and we are considering them as emerging from "soul pools" as in the animal kingdom, then there might certainly be different "types" depending on which branch of the animal kingdom they emerge from. My initial thought was that this might be a limited selection drawn from higher animals, but on second thought, that seems to be a sort of limitation. How do I know that, say, a soul pool of grasshoppers can't produce its own "human representative"??
It also reminds me of something the C's once said in reference to my dog, Percy:
31 May 1997
A: ...Perpendicular reality is knowledge/awareness/being matrix. Realms are merely experiential
divisions based upon consciousness energy directors.
Q: What are consciousness energy directors?
A: Compare yourself to your backyard denizen. How do each of you view calculus?
Q: Well, I don't know exactly what calculus is, but I know it is important. I never thought I was able to learn such things, so I didn't try. But, I think it is important, and someday I will know something about it. I am sure that the dog would not only think it is not useful, he would not even be aware of it. How does that relate to
consciousness energy directors?
A: All in nature seeks balance. One day, so to speak, "Percy" will indeed have an opinion of calculus.
So, it seems we have a "knowledge/awareness/being matrix" - or at least three things to consider here. Or just two? Should "knowledge/awareness" be one thing? In the session quoted above, the issue was that knowledge and awareness could belong to a being that was very selfish while someone whose "nature of being" was very unselfish, but may not be really intellectual. Later in that same session, the C's added this:
Q: (L) Yes. I know exactly what you mean. But there is still some gap that I am trying to fathom here. I have a little theory that people who are en rapport tend to think in similar ways or with similar patterns, even if at different levels. And I think that because of emotional similarity or identity of purpose or orientation, that they might almost begin to think as one mind or move as one body, to work as a unit. ....
A: The real issue involved is one of intellectual capacity, which, in and of itself, can lead to all sorts of emotional entanglements and frictions. It does not require a differential in vibrational frequency level to produce the types of symptoms that you describe. It is merely intellectual capacity that is inferior rather than the vibrational frequency level.
Again, this vibrational frequency level involves nature of being and emotion, not intelligence.
The greater the intellectual capacity, the greater the chance that each and every facet of intellect will be available for use, growth and stimulation. The lesser the intellectual capacity, the greater the chance that some will not be available.
So we are back at our knowledge/awareness/being matrix and here they say the FRV involves "nature of being and emotion."
Now I know that my dog has emotions. They may be primitive, but he has them. A snippet:
Q: (L) Do whales form long-lasting bonds and feel love?
Q: (L) Do dogs feel love?
A: Dogs feel need as love.
And then there was this enlightening little bit:
18 July 1998
Q: (L) What is the source of this contact with this guy Dean Fagerstrom?
A: Source is partially 5th density, partially 4th density.
Q: (L) Is he really channeling Franz Liszt?
A: No. Mental imprint from hyperspace.
Q: (L) What was this device that came into his room that floated in front of his face and made the sound?
A: 4th density imprinting device.
Q: (L) What was it imprinting?
Q: (L) Well, I would like to play Franz Liszt! Why haven't we had something like this?
A: You do not get to choose the nature of interaction with 4th density STS! Unless of course hamsters, chirpy little birds in cages and sweet, sad, dependent doggie "friends" get to choose the nature of their interactions with you!
Q: (L) So, you are comparing Mr. Dean Fagerstrom to a hamster, a bird, or a doggie?
A: Why not? It is the same thing.
Q: (L) And, he seems to be very obedient! (T) So, they are just jerking him and other people around through him.
Now, let me say that for the past few years, after being introduced to this idea, I've spent a LOT of time intensely reviewing in my mind, all the many people I have known over the years as well as a number of people I've been able to observe more recently, looking for clues. The C's said that psychopaths were the failures, but the really "good" ones are almost impossible to detect except maybe with years of observation and experience.
Note that in the session quoted above the C's mentioned that aliens do not abduct Organic Portals. One night when we had a whole slew of guests, (a number of folks from the local MUFON organization) the following exchange took place:
25 Feb 1995
Q: (L) Has anybody in this room not got an implant?
Not gonna reveal the name, but it was someone I knew very well for about 25 years who caused me and my children a lot of grief and suffering in ways too numerous to mention, but none of them having anything to do with being "bad." So, I've thought about that a lot and thought about the many clues that were there that I didn't understand at the time, but which make so much sense now.
If psychopaths are failed OP's, perhaps they fail in the sense that they are too 2D, and not 3D enough (in other words, they're completely animal, with no possibility of further growth).
Somehow, I don't think that is it either. (Being reminded of the exchange about my dog and the hamsters, birdies, and doggies remark.)
The C's said that the "test" was "do you ever hurt for another?"
I KNOW that my dog knows when someone is upset and it upsets him. Yes, it may be related to need; if his "people" aren't in top form, he may not get fed, but he definitely can feel agitated if things are not "peaceful." He also absolutely will NOT tolerate any aggressive behavior between two people. But that is instinctive, almost, since he is a sheepdog and aggressive behavior spells danger for him.
So I think that there is something deeper in that "test." I think it refers to an abstraction; being able to perceive someone else's SPIRITUAL pain and empathizing.
This is, in fact, the main thing I noticed about L*** mentioned above, who did not "have an implant." In all the years I knew him, I NEVER saw him once demonstrate an ability to comprehend emotional pain and suffering . He certainly understood physical pain to some extent IF there was an outward manifestation. If someone was burned or bleeding or had a swelling or something that could be SEEN, he had awareness of pain, even if he only gave it lip service. But something as unseeable as a backache or a headache where there is no physical evidence of anything wrong, he simply couldn't grok. And forget emotional pain altogether! If I ever tried to explain such things to him, his response was "you think too much."
Another thing that I have noticed in my mental review, which I then experimented with in relation to a couple of individuals that I was curious about and it seems to be a solid "test", is "the ability to learn from a particular situation and then transfer that learning to another situation that is similar in INTERNAL dynamics, but completely different in external form."
If we look at the phenomenon in terms of STO/STS, I think OP's are (at least in this cycle) STS, with no possibility for STO development (i.e. graduating to 4D STO).
Very likely. As the C's pointed out, subject to discussion of course:
Q: (L) Okay, now we have a couple of questions we want to get to here. You said before that OP's were originally intended as a bridge between second and third densities and that they were used. Is Mouravieff right about the potential for OP's to advance being dependent upon souled beings advancement to STO at the end of this cycle?
A: Not exactly. A soul imprint can grow independent of the cycle. However, it is more likely for a soul to "grow" when interacting with 4th Density STO. STS tends to drain energy for its own use.
So since C's have said that this planet was taken over by STS (and that seems pretty obvious based on observation), the likelihood of advancement for the Organic Portal is slim to none.
I see Adamic humanity as having the potential either for STO or STS. That means that a being that advances to 4D STS has the complete potential of higher centers, but consciously chooses to pervert them, to stifle his/her conscience. The psychopath has NO choice.
Seems reasonable. Especially if the psychopath is a defective Organic Portal.
In other words, the souled-psychopath seems even MORE terrifying. It HAS a conscience and USES its energy to become more entropic.
I wonder if it might not be better to use a different term for the "souled psychopath?" Maybe part of the problem of studying such things is that the science of psychology isn't looking at it from the proper perspective so that taxonomic categories can be more fully explicated?
I'm reading all these stacks of books by the "experts" on the subject, and it is pretty clear that there is some serious confusion there. If, as the C's said, a psychopath is a "failed Organic Portal," then there is no soul so we can't talk about a "souled psychopath." But I DO know what you mean here, but this point needs some thought.
I think this is what Ra implies about STS graduates--they have the higher centers, but skip a few steps to take the path of entropy. But I still can't answer your question "Do they belong on the graph of potentially souled, but having "sold their souls to the devil" (figuratively speaking), or do they belong on the graph of Organic Portals?"
Here I meant something a little different than to suggest that they might have souls. That was the reason for the "figuratively speaking." I was putting them at the other end of the graph, the graph being one of "soul=having or not having." Sorry if I was confusing.
But we still have that question of "souled psychopaths" even if we think that we need a different term so as to distinguish them from "essential psychopaths," or critters without soul.
Perhaps they're the result of living many incarnations on the path to STS, having started with a soul-potential. This would make sense, as when asked for examples of harvestable STS beings, Ra mentioned Rasputin, Goering, Himmler, and Genghis Khan. Himmler seems like the Hitler's Dick Cheney. But if we go with Ra's examples, they imply that these men DID have higher centers but skipped 'heart center,' I believe. Perhaps there are more psychopath taxons than we know. Were the C's implying that "essential" psychpaths were the failed OP's? What about characteropaths?
Exactly the problem. The differences between essential psychopaths and maybe "secondary" psychopaths, though even that distinction is less than satisfying.
For the early Christians, for example, it may be that a core reason for their persecution was the adoption of an "us vs. them" attitude regarding pre-Adamics to the extent that they provoked the establishment against them, when they could have better organized under the radar so to speak.
Tacitus tells us about them:
The first ones to be seized were those who confessed; then on their information a vast multitude was convicted, not so much on the charge of incendiarism as because of their hatred of humanity.
Notice that the information about their beliefs was only obtained after they were seized and had "confessed." Pretty much the same thing was said by Pliny the Younger:
So I thought it the more necessary to extract the truth even by torture from two maidservants who were called deaconesses. I found nothing save a vile superstition carried to an immoderate length.
The contagion of the superstition has pervaded not only the cities but the villages and country districts as well. Yet it seems that it can be halted and cured.
So, yeah, maybe it was an "us vs them" thing in a sense - that is "us normal humans with feelings vs the pathocrats who are obviously soulless" kind of thing. That could sure be a threat to the control of psychopaths. But they obviously saw some advantages in the idea and converted it to "us vs them" in a completely different context: the saved vs the damned.
The way I see it is that the human energy system is a whole. There is no way a human can function without higher centers any more than people can walk around with their heads cut off. Rather I would say that in OP's the vibration spectrum is more restricted from top to bottom. In other words, the vibration potential, amplitude as well as the frequency spectrum of response is far more limited in OP's than in "Adamics".
If the higher centers are the "soul centers," then the pre-Adamic, or Organic Portals have a connection to a sort of "higher center," as in the "soul pool" similar to soul pools of the animal kingdom.
First, OP's would be restricted both in what they can recieve through their centers and in what they can radiate or output. The restrictions would manifest as a limited reality window as well as a limited window of options of expression.
Second, the restricted nature of their centers would manifest as a correspondingly restricted comfort zone of experience, with dissonance generated when the boundaries of tolerance are violated. The comfort zone would include manifestations of the lower and upper energy centers. Anything that pushes the envelope of that comfort zone would invariably generate dissonance within the OP, and would most likely be perceived as a threat.
I'm not too sure about this. If, for example, there are many different types of Organic Portals, and each grouping of types is connected to a different soul pool, then there can be many options for expression. Certainly, within each type/group, there would be a "restricted comfort zone," but again, with many different groupings of type, that could be quite variable.
Third, to maintain the integrity of experience within the limits of their comfort zone, OP's would be inclined to structure their lives accordingly on individual and social scales. Rigidity in the upper centers would then lead to the imposition and maintenance of ridgid belief systems. Ridgidity in the lower centers would lead to an inability to extend the action/reaction principle beyond the realm of instinct. As a whole OP's would try to balance upper and lower ridgidities with ritualistic mechanization of life style. They would seek to place taboos on both the biological potential, as well as taboos on thought and creativity.
"Rigidity in the upper centers" can as easily be related to soul pool characteristics and less to "individuated higher centers."
Think, for example, of an Organic Portal emerging from a "wolf soul pool." Or how about one emerging from a "cat soul pool." Or a "dog soul pool." Or a "rabbit soul pool." Gives an all new meaning to "Playboy Bunnies," eh? Definitely different from the righteous Cotton Mather type, or Don Rumsfeld.