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« on: February 26, 2006, 01:12:29 PM »
A great, great podcast. Telling it like it is. Highly energizing and inspiring in a butt-kicking-slap-around-the-face-with-a-large-haddock kind of way.

http://signs-of-the-times.org/podcast/index.php

Raising awareness of lies is surely the way and something we can all participate in. Onwards.

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2006, 01:04:19 PM »
Needless to say, not everyone is so enthusiastic.  Go here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=457&p=2  

and scroll down a bit to see what Melissa Conrad's take on the podcast was!
He who learns must suffer
And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget
Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
And in our own despair, against our will,
Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Agamemnon, Aeschylus

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2006, 02:03:06 PM »
Melissa Conrad is far more toned down than Durand. That may be because she does not seem to be concerned about accumulating a following to her veiw point ("positive thinkers" already have a pretty strong movement anyway). Personally, I think of it as the ostrich effect (sticking your head in the sand and hoping the boogy man will go away).

Apparently her tidy little reality is threatened by the state of affairs in this world. It is true that there are some people who revel in Apocalyptic scenarios. That is another form of psychopathic denial, of course, where the individual projects inner chaos outwardly, hoping to gain security through the misery of others. These people are by far more dangerous than the Melissa types. The latter just need to grow up and practice what they preach and leave those who choose to roll their sleeves and address the situation in peace.

Melissa is a lotus eater (term from the Odessy of Homer) in the psychic sense. It seems, however, that she does not understand the nature of positive thinking. I consider myself a positive thinker. As such, I recognize what is going on and am positive in that we need not fall into despair, and that solutions do exist. As Dylan Thomas so eloquently said: "Do not go quietly into the night".

What Melissa does not understand is that negative energies exist, and become active on their own when we deny them and try to shove them in dark corners. That is when they come back to bite us. On the other hand, it is OP thinking to understand oneself as a computer that can be "reprogrammed" to generate only positive output. Personally, I would like to think I am more than that.

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2006, 02:23:45 PM »
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Melissa Conrad is far more toned down than Durand. That may be because she does not seem to be concerned about accumulating a following to her veiw point ("positive thinkers" already have a pretty strong movement anyway). Personally, I think of it as the ostrich effect (sticking your head in the sand and hoping the boogy man will go away).
Frankly she sounds rather spaced out to me.  Addicted to the drug of positive thinking; an effective buffer between Melissa and Reality, which keeps her too passive to be another Durand, but turned on just enough to stay tenacious.  As Laura asks:
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I wonder if there is such a thing as a schizoidal OP?  
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=457.msg2139#msg2139
Perhaps she's simply a very good example of the inhabitants of "the schizoidal reality" where "truth has no value."

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2006, 06:27:44 PM »
It also sounds like she's completely given up.  When faced with the pain of objective reality, she balked and gave up - period.  Looking at things the way they are wasn't easy, wasn't fun, didn't make her want to get out of bed in the morning, so what's the point?  She appears to be living her life FOR the illusion of it all, which, of course, is her choice - but she has obviously become very comfortable with being food for the moon.

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I consider myself a positive thinker. As such, I recognize what is going on and am positive in that we need not fall into despair, and that solutions do exist.
I also consider myself a positive thinker, but moreso along the lines of: the universe can take care of itself.  No matter how bad things get, I know that everything is going along as it is going along and I will do what I do and learn what I learn.  This does not mean that I don't have to try, or that it is not hugely important to push myself when i don't want to try - it just means that worrying about whether I have enough 'sleeps' left to get done what I need to get done is just plain silly.  I will do what I do.  Or so it seems to me.
"Try for a moment to accept the idea that you are not what you believe yourself to be, that you overestimate yourself, in fact that you lie to yourself. That you always lie to yourself every moment, all day, all your life.[...] You must stop inwardly and observe." Mme Jean de Salzmann

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2006, 09:47:21 AM »
There is a psychological method called "emotional freedom technique" (EFT), where the subject taps certain meridians on the head and chest while voicing positive affirmations, and it is gaining a wide following. It is a sort of reprogramming using words to access distorted patterns in the body. It actually works (I have only used it for pain relief, but thousands of people testify to it).

Anyway, the view on the corresponding sites is that your reality is dependent on the "writing on your wall". The rational is that negative experiences are caused by internal bias engrammed in the nervous system. Relieving physical conditions, trauma and depression is one thing. Somehow, however, the "tap all your problems away" mentality seems like a sort of cop-out to me.

The thing is, these people do claim immunity from psychotics, since they simply come up with an affirmation and then tap on their face and chest, and all is well. Again, I tried this (and of course the creators of the system and therapists say that unless you buy a ton of videos and DVD's you will not properly learn the method), and I used the simple free directions because the method is simple. Having done a lot of bioenergetic work and meditation, the results felt strange to me. I do not trust the method because it seems to bypass the magnetic center somehow routing the mind directly into the instinct center through the meridian points. Anyway the site is www.emofree.com if anyone wants to check it out.

I do not believe the EFT people are psychotics or disturbed people (just people in pain who found a way to relieve it), however, while Melissa feels threatened because she believes those that do not believe as she does are creating a negative reality that she is forced to inhabit. This is funny, because if she really believe she creates her own reality, she would not feel so threatened.

As for the "you create your own reality" (YCYOR) philosophy, I do believe there is a correlation between what is going on inside us and what is going on outside us (as within so without). Accepting Grace, as it were, is the guaraneed safest way to go as far as not getting deluded, in my view. I met a lot of people who interpreted the YCYOR doctrine in terms of what they called "Conscious Command", meaning "order reality to do what you want". At the other extreme is fatalism. Both extremes are manipulative (fatalisms because usually someone manipulates the fatalist with a fatalist doctrine).

If you think about it psychopaths are trying to apply the YCYOR doctrine by presenting an external (psychotic) reality and trying to make people adopt it internally (as without so within). Whether YCYOR is true or not, it has been abused, and the advice of the C's to disregard such notions is correct. What kind of reality do we have when a bunch of people are creating contradictory and/or competing realities?

Before you can fly, you have to learn to walk.

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2006, 10:16:05 AM »
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A great, great podcast. Telling it like it is. Highly energizing and inspiring in a butt-kicking-slap-around-the-face-with-a-large-haddock kind of way.
Whatever the case about Melissa, the original premise of the thread (the quote above) still holds.