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Seeing with eyes closed ?
OromNom:
--- Quote from: agni ---Does anyone know what is behind seeing with eyes closed ?
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I've seen with my eyes closed when i lay down to sleep, perhaps two or three times. It's like if my eyes were open, even a better vision, more defined i would say.
One thing that happens to me a lot when i lay down, is seeing scenes or events pretty clearly. Like watching a movie screen. When starting to enter into the sleep state, i know that there are the hypnogogic (right word?) images one starts to percept when entering sleep, but these are diferente, they are pretty clear pictures.
And im very awake, only with eyes closed, i've managed to get it while sitting on a chair.
I start seeing a piece of the whole picture, a detail, the nerves of a leaf for example, and if i concentrate in that detail the whole picture expands, like turning the light on, and from there i can start moving my 'eyes' through all the 'paint', and stay in this state as long as im not interrupted, even if it is by my own thoughts.
If i want to see something specific, i concentrate on a detail of some place, were i've been, when i start seeing that detail clearly it is like a lock-on feeling and i can see the whole picture, scene, event. Some have movement, some are still pictures, sound is rare.
And sometimes i feel a pressure/itch in area above the eye brows.
It's something that happens pretty often to me, and easy for me to start-up.
Someone with this kind of experience?
bngenoh:
Has happened to me to on multiple occasions, but one night in particular was when I was sitting down and just getting ready to meditate it happened. This form of sight is definitely clearer than "normal" vision, but that night I decided to look down and to my astonishment there was a hand there not my two hands but another hand coming out approximately from the solar plexus area, when I saw it it waved to me and motioned to me to come in. I was surprised by my reaction to it because I was just looking at it like "oh okay, not really astonished but intrigued". Anyone else had a similar experience.
Omega:
Wow,
Funny I stumbled on this thread while surfing the forum because it happened to me a couple of days ago. It happened after a breathing / meditative session (EE to be precise). It actually happened 2 days in a row. I layed down in my bed after the meditation, on my back and looked up. It was dark but then I saw the surroundings (contour in French, don't know if surroundings is the right word) of the objects above me close to the celling, in the dark. I immediatly thought that it was my memory that was projecting that as I had recently closed the light. SoI turned my head to the left and then I saw the surrondings also of the objects to the left (a locker with all sorts of stuff in it) and my vision followed perfectly the mouvement of my head. Its a little as if I could see a little through my closed eyes. I waited and it didn't fade away.
After minutes of marvelling, I rolled over and went to sleep, not really knowing what to do with that. Sharing it on the forum seems a good thing to do and I'm sure one of you guys as a logical explanation as it didn't feel supernatural, it was just there, without efforts.
Cheers,
taitai:
I have also seen though closed lids & through a wall (!) while wide awake & busy.
Apparently it has to do with dimensional shift & the beginnings of "clairvoyance". The blobs & light images seen behind closed lids as one falls asleep are different, & called hypnogogic images, apparently formed by light discharges on the retina; then there are the absolutely clear images, as if seen on on a TV screen, which can either be hypnogogic or the beginning of clairvoyance; I believe more & more peole will experience these as the "veil lifts".
I enjoy them for what they are worth, but I suppose this could be seen as "chasing phenomena", cautioned against by the Buddha as well as Hindu meditation teachers, as well as the C's.
Stevie jj:
it is not someting to be trusted, in Don Juan's Dreaming book, this is a sign that you have approached the "1st gate of dreaming",
there are other threads, on seeing thru the eyelids, on dreaming or while 1st awakining.
noticing this is ; in fact a threshe-hold, yet to get caught up in it's mirages's or enticings' (to control the dream, and its out come, etc,;)
for the Seer, or the Peaceful warrior, it is a moment to gatherones self, to prepare for further knowledge of the unknown.
when one 1st experiences this, it is not really a big deal.
on this path. its one of the 1st steps.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=10801.0
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=381.0
"seeing with eyes closed', this is like a babe taking milk, from the mother, it is but a 'flinch', a babe's limber twitch, against the environment, in which it grows.
nothing to get to excited about, just part of growing awareness.
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