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whappenif:
Dear Laura;

I work for a company studying earthquake pre-cursors
and prediction.  See:  www.quakefinder.com.  We are
attempting to use instrumentation and the scientific method
to discern results.

One of the tasks I undertake periodically is to second-guess
the scientific approach by evaluating other predictions.  It is
an entertaining aspect of the job, and often useful.  The
Budreigars in China, Charlotte King's leg aches, and odd
researchers sending us unsolicited predictions, are among
the research that this side hobby has led me to evaluate.
Eventually I was bound to run across the "Wave" series, and
now it has happened.

Aside from my personal response to the first 240 pages of the
red book (positive, I love your decomposition of religion - a
woman after my own heart!) I would like to focus on some
specifics, and thanks for your time.

On page 210 of the red book, there is listed a series of quake
predictions made back in 1994.  Sorry if I haven't read far enough,
but has this been revised?  In your opinion is the implication of a
sequence of quakes in the order listed implied by that paragraph?

Thanks.  Also, I noticed that there are comments that the approaching
"wave" will produce EM effects.  I have view of a network of  B & E
field sensors spread across Califiornia that see below 10 Hertz.  On a
side note - Are there expected signal characteristics that have been
listed?

Thanks a lot!

anart:
Hi, I can interject a little about the quake predictions.  I don't believe that the predictions are listed in any chronological order, in fact, the C's stress that there is not a specific timeline for them, since the future is open and man's experiential process is part and parcel of the whole affair.  The C's do, on occasion, say that certain events of which they have spoken are less likely now, or even more likely, depending on the event, but, in general, they're not really 'into' predictions.  On the EM effect, I'll have to step aside and let someone more knowledgeable answer.  =)

Laura:
If you mean this passage:


--- Quote ---More California seismic
   activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino,
   North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points.
   Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point
   Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo,
   Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of
   fracture in sequence.  "Time" is indefinite.  Expect
   gradual destruction of California economy as people begin
   mass exodus.  Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity.  Ocean
   floor begins to subside.
--- End quote ---
Then yes, it does seem that the C's are giving us a clue with regard to sequence.  We, of course, assumed that the C's meant "after the first of the year" meaning the very next year.  But we have learned by experience that the C's really have a problem with "time" as we measure it.  For example, if they say "soon" it could be 3 or 5 years away which is certainly not my idea of "soon."  What is important to me, however, is the really good overview of things, of "lines of force" that the C's have given which have, over "time" proven to be so accurate even if the specific details are not always "on the money" from our point of view.  This factor was addressed in another session:


--- Quote ---Q: (L) In terms of these Earth Changes, Edgar Cayce is one of
   the most famous prognosticators of recent note, a large
   number of the prophecies he made seemingly were erroneous
   in terms of their fulfillment.  For example, he prophesied
   that Atlantis would rise in 1969, but it did not though
   certain structures were discovered off the coast of Bimini
   which are thought by many to be remnants of Atlantis.
   These did, apparently, emerge from the sand at that time.
A: Example of one form of symbolism.
Q: (L) Well, in terms of this symbolism, could this be
   applied to the remarks you made about the two little boys
   who were missing in South Carolina.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And the symbolism was that you were reading the event
   from 3rd density into sixth density terms and then
   transmitting it back into 3rd, and while the ideation was
   correct, the exact specifics, in 3rd density terms, were
   slightly askew.  Is that what we are dealing with here?
A: 99.9 per cent would not understand that concept.  Most are
   always looking for literal translations of data.  Analogy
   is novice who attends art gallery, looks at abstract
   painting and says "I don't get it."
Q: (L) Well, let's not denigrate literal translations or at
   least attempts to get things into literal terms.  I like
   realistic art work. I am a realist in my art preferences.
   I want trees to look like trees and people to have only
   two arms and legs.  Therefore, I also like some
   literalness in my prognostications.
A: Some is okay, but, beware or else "California falls into
   the ocean" will always be interpreted as California
   falling into the ocean.
Q: [General uproar]  (F) Wait a minute, what was the
   question? (L) I just said I liked literalness in my
   prophecies.  (F) Oh, I know what they are saying.  People
   believe that California is just going to go splat and that
   Phoenix is going to be on the seacoast, never mind that
   it's at 1800 feet elevation, it's just going to drop down
   to sea level, or the sea level is going to rise, but it's
   not going to affect Virginia Beach even though that's at
   sea level.  I mean... somehow Phoenix is just going to
   drop down and none of the buildings are going to be
   damaged, even though its going to fall 1800 feet...  (T)
   Slowly.  It's going to settle.  (F) Slowly?  It would have
   to be so slowly it's unbelievable how slowly it would have
   to be. (T)  It's been settling for the last five million
   years, we've got a ways to go in the next year and a half!
   (F) Right!  That's my point.  (T) In other words, when
   people like Scallion and Sun Bear and others say
   California is going to fall into the ocean, they are not
   saying that the whole state, right along the border is
   going to fall into the ocean, they are using the term
   California to indicate that the ocean ledge along the
   fault line has a probability of breaking off and sinking
   on the water side, because it is a major fracture.  We
   understand that that is not literal.  Are you telling us
   that there is more involved here as far as the way we are
   hearing what these predictions say?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are we understanding what you are saying?
A: Some.
Q: (T) So, when we talk about California falling into the
   ocean, we are not talking about the whole state literally
   falling into the ocean?
A: In any case, even if it does, how long will it take to do
   this?
Q: (LM) It could take three minutes or three hundred years.
   (T) Yes.  That is "open" as you would say.
A: Yes. But most of your prophets think it is not open.
--- End quote ---
Then, of course, there is this problem:


--- Quote ---Q: (P) I would like to know about the apparitions of the
   Virgin Mary at Conyers, GA, as well as this book "Mary's
   Message to the World" and all the other messages about the
   End Times that are coming out all over?
A: The forces at work here are far too clever to be
   accurately anticipated so easily.  You never know what
   twists and turns will follow, and they are aware of
   prophetic and philosophical patternings and usually shift
   course to fool and discourage those who believe in fixed
   futures.
--- End quote ---
Though that may seem to have nothing to do with what the planet might or might not do, there is also this:


--- Quote ---Q: (A) I am trying to write down some things about a
   cosmology, and I have some questions mainly about the
   coming events.  First there was the story of the sun's
   companion brown star which is apparently approaching the
   solar system, and I would like to know, if possible,
   details of its orbit; that is, how far it is, what is its
   speed, and when it will be first seen.  Can we know it?
   Orbit: how close will it come?
A: Flat eliptical.
Q: (A) But how close will it come?
A: Distance depends upon other factors, such as intersecting
   orbit of locator of witness.
Q: (L) What is the closest it could come to earth... (A)
   Solar system... (L) Yes, but which part of the solar
   system?  We have nine planets... which one?  (A) I
   understand that this brown star will enter the Oort
   cloud... (L) I think they said it just brushes against it
   and the gravity disturbs it...
A: Passes through Oort cloud on orbital journey.  Already has
   done this on its way "in."
Q: (A) You mean it has already entered the Oort cloud?
A: Has passed through.
Q: (A) So, it will not approach...
A: Oort cloud is located on outer perimeter orbital plane at
   distance of approximately averaged distance of
   510,000,000,000 miles.
Q: (L) Well, 510 billion miles gives us some time!  (A) Yes,
   but what I want to know... this Oort cloud is around the
   solar system, so this brown star, once it has passed
   through... (L) It must already be in the solar system?
   (A) No, it could have passed through and may not come
   closer.  Is it coming closer or not?  Is it coming closer
   all the time?
A: Solar system, in concert with "mother star," is revolving
   around companion star, a "brown" star.
Q: (A) So, that means that the mass of the companion star is
   much...
A: Less.
Q: (A) Less?
A: They are moving in tandem with one another along a flat,
   eliptical orbital plane.  Outer reaches of solar system
   are breached by passage of brown companion, thus
   explaining anomalies recently discovered regarding outer
   planets and their moons.
Q: (A) But I understand that the distance
   between the sun and this brown star is changing with
   time.  Eliptical orbit means there is perihelion and
   aphelion.  I want to know what will be, or what was, or
   what is the closest distance between this brown star and
   the sun?  What is perihelion?  Can we know this, even
   approximately.  Is it about one light year, or less or
   more?
A: Less, much less.  Distance of closest passage roughly
   corresponds to the distance of the orbit of Pluto from
   Sun.
Q: (A) Okay.  Now, this closest pass, is this something that
   is going to happen?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) And it is going to happen within the next 6 to 18
   years?
A: 0 to 14.
Q: (A) Okay, that's it.  I have some idea about this.  Now, I
   understand that, either by chance or by accident, two
   things are going to happen at essentially the same time.
   That is the passing of this brown star, and this comet
   cluster.  These are two different things?
A: Yes.  Different, but related.
Q: (L) Is there a comet cluster that was knocked into some
   kind of orbit of its own, that continues to orbit...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And in addition to that comet cluster, there are also
   additional comets that are going to get whacked into the
   solar system by the passing of this brown star?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) I understand that the main disaster is going to come
   from this comet cluster...
A: Disasters involve cycles in the human experiential cycle
   which corresponds to the passage of comet cluster.
Q: (A) I understant that this comet cluster is cyclic and
   comes every 3600 years.  I want to know something about
   the shape of this comet cluster.  I can hardly imagine...
A: Shape is variable.  Effect depends on closeness of
   passage.
Q: (L) So, it could be spread out... (A) We were asking at
   some point where it will be coming from.  The answer was
   that we were supposed to look at a spirograph.
A: Yes.
Q: (A) Now, spirograph suggests that these comets will not
   come from one direction, but from many directions at once.
   Is this correct?
A: Very good!!!
Q: (A) Okay, they will come from many directions...
A: But, initial visibility presents as single, solid body.
Q: (A) Do we know what is the distance to this body at
   present?
A: Suggest you keep your eyes open!
Q: (A) I am keeping my eyes open.
A: Did you catch the significance of the answer regarding
   time table of cluster and brown star?  Human cycle mirrors
   cycle of catastrophe. Earth benefits in form of periodic
   cleansing.  Time to start paying attention to the signs.
   They are escalating.  They can even be "felt" by you and
   others, if you pay attention.
--- End quote ---
This has always made me think that it MIGHT be possible to avert a lot of misery and suffering if humanity woke up and began doing something different.  In fact, I think that is one of the reasons there is so much of a drive to keep people ignorant... obviously, if they were aware, they might change something they are doing, like giving their free will away to the "Powers That Be."  In other words, if the human cycle could change, it could change the cycle of catastrophe.

But then, the C's didn't offer any hope for that.  

Doesn't matter that they didn't offer hope; they also said "you will do what you will do" and I think it is the right thing to do to continue to try to wake people up even if it seems hopeless.

Guest:

--- Quote from: Laura ---This has always made me think that it MIGHT be possible to avert a lot of misery and suffering if humanity woke up and began doing something different.  In fact, I think that is one of the reasons there is so much of a drive to keep people ignorant... obviously, if they were aware, they might change something they are doing, like giving their free will away to the "Powers That Be."  In other words, if the human cycle could change, it could change the cycle of catastrophe.
--- End quote ---
I believe this is a very important and critical point. As above so below. And if one considers the level of overall ignorance ten years ago, compared to the state of awareness today (even though most people are still in paralytic confusion trying to digest it all), there has been a TREMENDOUS amount of progress.

Those who want to sleep will resist opening their eyes, but those who could not open their eyes but were willing to do so at least are beginning to take a peek at the world around them. I think also that offering hope from a "future" perspective would be a kind of infringement on free will. The point, IMO, is to make choices in the face of no guarantees. To make self-generated choices in spite of the presentation instead of "assisted" choices that simply conform to external circumstances.

One such choice is the choice of what to believe. As this is something personal to each of us, signs of it on a collective scale will probably not be evident at first, especially with all the propaganda to the contrary. Yet, in my view, even this level of choice has profound effects.

I really believe that hope is not something we will find, but something we need to create through our choices...

SAO:

--- Quote from: EsoQuest ---I believe this is a very important and critical point. As above so below. And if one considers the level of overall ignorance ten years ago, compared to the state of awareness today (even though most people are still in paralytic confusion trying to digest it all), there has been a TREMENDOUS amount of progress.
--- End quote ---
I think many people are now waking up to the true nature of Bush and his cabinet, and are not buying it anymore. I will even dare say that this is the majority. I think the key now is to take that realisation of our government being corrupt and full of lies, and sort of gently "prod it" to the next level, which would include the realisation that this is not just an unlucky situation and we'll have better luck next time, but that the entire system is designed from the bottom up by psychopaths and FOR psychopaths and has ALWAYS been this way and will always be until it is drastically redesigned. So in a sense, the realisation of the immediate terror of the situation (the lying/murdering government leaders) can pave the way to realisation of a broader terror of the situation (the entire system as it's always been and what sort of people are always in charge). This way, people see all the Hitlers WAY before they ever get to become full-blown "Hitlers". In other words, it's not that we elect a good guy who suddenly goes evil and corrupt - he was never "good" to begin with, and the very fact that he was even elected is a testament to the system as a whole, its design, and its purpose.

And I think that understanding THAT is the key, and that the mistake (intentional of course) made after Nazi Germany is that history looks at Hitler as some anomaly, some evil genius that came out of nowhere, and so it focuses on him as "the evil one", not on the people and their ignorance/gullibility which allowed this to happen - because that same ignorance/gullibility has not changed one iota, and Hitler was never a threat, it was this ignorance/wishful thinking that is ever-present in the population that allows them to be herded at any time in the past and present using the same techniques. But of course it's "not nice" to blame the entire population for the atrocities, you'd have a lot of people complaining and suing left and right, so it's easier to just blame the whole thing on the evilness of Hitler and be done with it.

And that's why this time around, every time someone says "look at what Bush is doing", it's vital that someone else always adds "because WE let him - but here's what we all must realise if we want to stop it and prevent it from ever happening again". This second person is always missing from history, or he shows up but always after the fact, and only gets through to a tiny percentage of people (like Lobacewski). And I think that the best time to be that second person, is WHILE "poop is hitting the fan" and while people are being shocked and waking up to the immediate terror of the situation left and right. I think that this timing is essential because when it's just a history lesson that happens years after all the hitler-types have done their damage, at that time people are already too shielded by their comfort zones, they're just reading stories now, it's not really sinking in. But if they hear the message WHILE they are already, on their own, realising that their leaders are lying to them, they may be much more receptive and really think about the message and maybe something significant could change.


--- Quote ---I think also that offering hope from a "future" perspective would be a kind of infringement on free will.
--- End quote ---
Well the C's did offer hyperdimentional hope - they did say that what the lizzies are trying to do will ultimately fail. Then again, it's a bit vague as to when is "ultimately", and just who and how many people will be able to escape this loop and when? I guess it's kinda like saying "Well we'll go get to 7th density eventually!" but that doesn't say much if that makes sense. I mean getting to 4th density STS and then disintegrating into nothingness about a million times before you finally make it to 7th is well within the bounds of "eventually".


--- Quote ---The point, IMO, is to make choices in the face of no guarantees. To make self-generated choices in spite of the presentation instead of "assisted" choices that simply conform to external circumstances.
--- End quote ---
This reminds me of Gurdjieff's quote (I think it is Gurdjieff's), "Consciousness cannot evolve unconsciously". Or what the C's say, "If you play in the mud, you will get dirty!" - both of these saying something very similar, osit.


--- Quote ---One such choice is the choice of what to believe. As this is something personal to each of us, signs of it on a collective scale will probably not be evident at first, especially with all the propaganda to the contrary. Yet, in my view, even this level of choice has profound effects.
--- End quote ---
This also reminds me of what Laura said about a potential model of the universe, where you make a quantum jump based on how objective your beliefs are. So if your beliefs conform to objective reality, you jump "up" towards a more conscious, less chaotic state. If your beliefs are contrary to objective reality, you can quantum jump "down". So perhaps that is one way that the general beliefs of the world's population will effect what happens to us.

I realise that this is probably more of an individual thing that happens, but if human experiencial cycle reflects the cataclysmic/catastrophic cycle, maybe beliefs are included in the word "experiencial" as well, as in, the more blind/ignorant, the harder the universe has to shock us to get through. Or maybe the problem won't be from any shocks the universe may or may not bring, but simply from the chaotic state that is created by being "out of tune" with objective reality. Oooh speaking of out of tune, I guess it's kinda like hitting random piano keys and wondering why there's no music..

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