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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1830 on: June 13, 2012, 12:03:41 AM »
Quote from: Knobbingham on June 12, 2012, 11:50:40 PM
Quote from: truth seeker on June 12, 2012, 11:45:31 PM
Quote from: Delrake on June 08, 2012, 09:12:15 AM
Mos Def - Thieves Of the Night

Hey Delrake,

Just so you're aware, some of the language in those lyrics are insulting to all people, not just persons of color and women. It would be appreciated if you take more care with what you post from now on.

In my response in the 'Songs for Psychopaths'-thread, I also have song lyrics of a similar sort posted. I have censored the major part of the explicits.  Would that be an acceptable format?
I'm assuming it's this one? I'd say no. I see you've found the guidelines which is good. What I don't really get is why anyone finds anything interesting that includes such harsh language but the usage of the 'b' and 'n' words specifically. I'm genuinely curious, is it possible for you to explain?
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1831 on: June 13, 2012, 01:22:20 AM »
Quote from: truth seeker on June 13, 2012, 12:03:41 AM

 I'd say no. I see you've found the guidelines which is good. What I don't really get is why anyone finds anything interesting that includes such harsh language but the usage of the 'b' and 'n' words specifically. I'm genuinely curious, is it possible for you to explain?


Respectfully, I don't see why anyone eats cheese. To me, it's just a chunk of mold.

I'll try to explain as well as I can. What we are breaking in is the topic of verbal violence; an undisputed aspect of microphone controlling, also known as emceeing within the culture. The earliest rappers would compete against one another, and the worst insults were an easy way to gather crowd support. Simply, it provokes a reaction much like yours. These insults were a part of life within the impoverished Bronx borrough of New York during the late 70s and 80s and still is, I imagine. Hip hop culture as such, through the medium of singing and dancing was a way for the people to engage in a creative, non-physical confrontation in a daily life where a petty dispute could result in your getting shot. As the phenomenon of MC'ing spread and more groups were formed, they would soon compete against each other. You could call it verbal arguments accompanied by music but battle rap is the proper term.

In reality, cursing has very little to do with the musical side. It's the context in which they are used that generate the meaning. It is bound to come across as de-sensitized, but keep in mind that most (myself included) grew up hearing all this in casual day-to-day conversation, argument between family members and so fourth. Someone raised in a less-than-optimal environment does not think much of using them casually. This is interpreted as inheritly 'lower class' by some. Children released on the internet today learn a lot of new words. Just today I heard a young kid on a bike shout "OH MY ******* GOD" in English, annoyed as he rode through heavy rain. This made me think. I know for a fact that he didn't learn that at home, because I live in Scandinavia. Call it corrupt communication. When people answer "Everything except rap music!" they often give the reason, that it's because of the curses. This is why I ask to the specifics of proper forum conduct out of genuine interest. I could care less about who's a fan of hip hop and who isn't.

I can't afford to get banned over lyrics. To me, that's what's really ignorant.
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1832 on: June 13, 2012, 02:09:11 AM »
Quote from: Knobbingham on June 13, 2012, 01:22:20 AM
I'll try to explain as well as I can. What we are breaking in is the topic of verbal violence; an undisputed aspect of microphone controlling, also known as emceeing within the culture. The earliest rappers would compete against one another, and the worst insults were an easy way to gather crowd support. Simply, it provokes a reaction much like yours. These insults were a part of life within the impoverished Bronx borrough of New York during the late 70s and 80s and still is, I imagine. Hip hop culture as such, through the medium of singing and dancing was a way for the people to engage in a creative, non-physical confrontation in a daily life where a petty dispute could result in your getting shot. As the phenomenon of MC'ing spread and more groups were formed, they would soon compete against each other. You could call it verbal arguments accompanied by music but battle rap is the proper term.

Thanks for explaining. :)

What ever happened to playing the dozens? :D I suppose it started there and developed into rap/emceeing...

Just to be clear, I'm not having a 'reaction'. I was just wondering what your personal interest was in any music, rap or otherwise, that had such lyrics in them. Just so you know, not all people from NY (or anywhere else in the States) who grew up in impoverished circumstances condone taking back the word. The majority of the people I've ever known don't.

Quote from: Knobbingham on June 13, 2012, 01:22:20 AM
In reality, cursing has very little to do with the musical side. It's the context in which they are used that generate the meaning. It is bound to come across as de-sensitized, but keep in mind that most (myself included) grew up hearing all this in casual day-to-day conversation, argument between family members and so fourth. Someone raised in a less-than-optimal environment does not think much of using them casually. This is interpreted as inheritly 'lower class' by some. Children released on the internet today learn a lot of new words. Just today I heard a young kid on a bike shout "OH MY ******* GOD" in English, annoyed as he rode through heavy rain. This made me think. I know for a fact that he didn't learn that at home, because I live in Scandinavia. Call it corrupt communication. When people answer "Everything except rap music!" they often give the reason, that it's because of the curses. This is why I ask to the specifics of proper forum conduct out of genuine interest. I could care less about who's a fan of hip hop and who isn't.

I can't afford to get banned over lyrics. To me, that's what's really ignorant.
Relax, no one's upset with you or going to ban you. As I said, I'm just interested as to what your take is.

I was thinking more about this after I posted and agree that such language has unfortunately become normalized. What's even sadder, is that this normalization has spread around the world and I 'think' that many people don't realize how it (the language not the music itself) gradually dehumanizes both those listening to it as well as those performing it.

I'll be honest, rap/hip hop in it's current state doesn't really appeal to me but neither does a lot of things these days. I think the older stuff, before it became ponerized (taken over by psychopaths), is better although there are exceptions to every rule. That said, I'll defend someone's right to listen to it as long as it isn't hurting anyone.
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1833 on: June 13, 2012, 02:26:17 AM »
Quote from: Knobbingham on June 13, 2012, 01:22:20 AM


I can't afford to get banned over lyrics. To me, that's what's really ignorant.

You need to calm down and remember the purpose of this forum.  If you're unhappy with the forum guidelines, feel free to find a forum with less stringent guidelines.
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1834 on: June 13, 2012, 03:11:39 AM »
Quote from: anart on June 13, 2012, 02:26:17 AM
Quote from: Knobbingham on June 13, 2012, 01:22:20 AM


I can't afford to get banned over lyrics. To me, that's what's really ignorant.

You need to calm down and remember the purpose of this forum.  If you're unhappy with the forum guidelines, feel free to find a forum with less stringent guidelines.

:huh: Okay.

Quote from: truth seeker on June 13, 2012, 02:09:11 AM

Thanks for explaining. :)

What ever happened to playing the dozens? :D I suppose it started there and developed into rap/emceeing...


Nice. Thanks for that inspiring reply.

The music industry has has been branding this music for a long time now, somewhere starting with the period of the early 90s and up to now. The dehumanization (especially the way that girls are shown in rap videos) is more or less complete. Today's most popular 'rap' idols, whose names deserve no praise do not represent the culture of hip hop, so I make a point of distinguishing between the two. Psychopaths among them, sure. But the more dangerous ones are the record label execs.

If I were to call my mother the b-word back in the days, there would have been consequences! And the n-word isn't very relevant to me. It seems that if you try to ban some things, they become all the more interesting to explore. Some even claim that the 'Parental Advisory - Explicit Lyrics' disclaimer stamp sold a lot of albums.

Also worth noting is that a lot of English four-letter words have seeped into the everyday use of other languages. English is a powerful language and some grow to see why!
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1835 on: June 13, 2012, 07:17:49 AM »
Hey my bad on the improper words in the lyrics. I forgot about the forum's guidelines but I will definetly keep them in mind from now on. Mos Def is just a great poet in my opinion and I wanted to share the messege of his verse in that song with you guys and girls. Also yeah I do agree with the fact that the rap part of the music industry is more or less going down the toilet. Again my bad on the improper lyrics.
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1836 on: June 13, 2012, 08:27:13 AM »
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1837 on: June 14, 2012, 09:10:51 PM »
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1838 on: June 14, 2012, 09:19:32 PM »
David Byrne & St. Vincent - Who

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndf9dxYs4ik
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1839 on: June 15, 2012, 04:30:08 PM »
Paul Weller - You do something to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM1rSTOs7Zs
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1840 on: June 20, 2012, 09:21:31 PM »


M83 - Reunion

I enjoyed the up-beat music, then read the lyrics and thought what a great song (minus some materialistic parts).  Some sacred ideas (and maybe some higher emotions?) in there though, OSIT.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI9jSTC9vvI

You came out of nowhere
Stealing my heart and brain
Flaming my every cell
You make me feel myself

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, ohohoh...
Will you stand in this land forever?

Across the time and space
A never-ending dance
A blooming and a trance
You make me feel my soul

There's no more loneliness
Only sparkles and sweat
There's no more single fate
You make me feel myself

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, ohohoh...
Will you stand in this land forever?

"My body is like a lightning rod
Capsize me and douse me in your bay
A shiver of want, always
When you are on the tip of my tongue
In the back of your parked car
I could build a fort
And play all day
Between your lips
Let's stay here forever"

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, ohohoh...
Will you stand in this land forever?
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1841 on: June 24, 2012, 05:02:25 AM »

Echobelly - ON (the album)

Pantyhose and Roses, Great Things, Natural Animal

Lyrics are metaphorical descriptions of life as ADHD. Compromising, smooth and predictable on the surface while just below the surface is an impetus for spontaneously, impulsively desiring, seeking and responding to genuine emotional cues from others.

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1842 on: June 24, 2012, 03:42:33 PM »
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1843 on: June 24, 2012, 05:38:35 PM »
One of my all time favorites:

Tracy Chapman - "Remember the Tinman" (With lyrics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niviD7x9xYE
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #1844 on: June 24, 2012, 08:07:51 PM »
Flora's Secret - Enya


Quote from: Knobbingham on June 13, 2012, 01:22:20 AM
Just today I heard a young kid on a bike shout "OH MY ******* GOD" in English, annoyed as he rode through heavy rain.
That's called "American Cultural Export". Extremely annoying, but it can be cured by switching off all electronic devices.

Once global hegemony is established through colonization, a "master culture" is easily disseminated to all who tune in.
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