Dislocated Atlas (first cervical vertebrae)

Grok

The Force is Strong With This One
_http://www.atlasprofilax.ch/eng/index.php There

...This is not about diet, but clearly related to health.

...Seems this goes very far.




I authorize myself to wrote about this because I tested this, I've been there (two months ago). Tested and approved by my body with immediate spectacular significant results at multiple levels...

...Also seen others persons who have been there, years ago, their witnesses decided me to go on this. This was invented in 1993. Seems this is currently the only method that can do that, all other known methods would been temporary and this one is definitive, once and for ever. Unique. From my experience I can say that this is really smart, and like many really smart things this is very simple; it had to be found !...

...I emits the curious and questionable hypothesis that this definitely correct an external genetic manipulation on human beings (I vaguely remind the Cs talking about something similar, if my memory is right, so had I to share this curious thought). A known fact is: two parents who haven't been there produce a child with the same vertebra problem, and two parents who have been through this directly produce a child who has no problem and need no treatment. Seems that all humanity has this problem since birth (or perhaps sooner), human beings without this problem are very rare exceptions. I was used to have it but now it's over.

...Enough said, you can read the site and its associated links, see the video, and decide by yourself. I won't write anymore on this because english is not my native language (and I apologize for any confusion I could have wrote because of this reason).
 
Grok said:
I authorize myself to wrote about this because I tested this, I've been there (two months ago). Tested and approved by my body with immediate spectacular significant results at multiple levels...
Not sure if I can't find it or there aren't any explanations on the method itself. Since you've done it and since you've posted it here - can you please describe how it's done? And what do you find to be the change for you after? Also - I've read how further massages and other treatments are recommended, on that site, after it's 'done' - so, how much do you think it has to do with the actual method applied and not with results from after suggested treatments?

Thank you
 
Grok said:
_http://www.atlasprofilax.ch/eng/index.php There

...This is not about diet, but clearly related to health.

...Seems this goes very far.

...I emits the curious and questionable hypothesis that this definitely correct an external genetic manipulation on human beings (I vaguely remind the Cs talking about something similar, if my memory is right, so had I to share this curious thought). A known fact is: two parents who haven't been there produce a child with the same vertebra problem, and two parents who have been through this directly produce a child who has no problem and need no treatment. Seems that all humanity has this problem since birth (or perhaps sooner), human beings without this problem are very rare exceptions. I was used to have it but now it's over.
While there seems to be a lot of evidence for support that this luxation of the axis could be quite common, I haven’t found any evidence that most people are born with it. Even the link you provided doesn’t claim that. The main theory is that the possible causes are injuries from using forceps at birth, childhood knocks and falls, hitting your head etc.

It seems like some folk in the new age crowd has picked up on the condition though, and making unfounded claims that 99.9% of people are born with it and that Sitchin’s Anunnaki caused it.
It’s as though the new agers have taken what the C’s said about the knot in the spine, and twisted it to fool people into believing that this axis condition is a control mechanism and if you get it corrected you’re free of control and you can sit back and be showered with enlightenment.

A search for luxation and saitchin I found this:
This is a snippet from this site:
_http://www.goingdeeper.org/upiforum/113.php
While I enjoy a good story every now and again, this one begged for independent corroboration. A few days later I called my friend Wynn Free the author of The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce? (_www.caycesback.com), who teams with Terry Brown in channeling an evolved extraterrestrial intelligence called the Elohim. When he responded several days later with a message from the Elohim, my information was confirmed: The luxated C1 was deliberately engineered into the Homo sapiens coding by the Anunnaki in order to render their native pool of mining slaves more docile, programmable, and controllable. This mechanism has remained in the human genetic makeup ever since, and I suspect it is well known to those who understand how best to exploit such things.
 
...Well, I will try to answer to you two, even if it's not quite easy for me.
 
I have been a user of the upper cervical corrective therapy for almost 30 years. If I was sick, I was out of adjustment. Once the atlas was corrected, whatever symptoms were presenting vanished. There is only one group of practitioners who have pioneered the proper upper cervical corrective method. NUCCA (National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association) trained doctors are the only ones who I would allow to make any adjustments to my neck, especially the relationship of the atlas to the skull.

Here is a story that was published in the Chicago Tribune, this year. I tried to find it on line last week and it has been scrubbed from the Tribune website and archives... so no working link to the original, sorry. I found it on a forum.

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(Note: The author of the deleted material, above, contacted me, 2-5-08, and informed me that I had violated her copyright. She was apparently unfamiliar with the Fair Use conditions, but since she was rather service to selfish about the entire matter, I found it easier to simply comply with her petty demands than to bring grief to the Signs of the Times. The information that I have deleted can be found here: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553751 This link is to the original article that the deleted author seems to herself have plagarized http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/news/20070316/chiropractic-cuts-blood-pressure )
The pharmaceutical industry has been very adamant about suppressing any knowledge of this method. It is no wonder that this article did not last long.

A NUCCA doctor can alleviate just about any chronic problem. It sometimes takes a few weeks for the full recovery, if you have been out of adjustment for a long time. The rule of thumb is that it takes one month of staying in proper alignment to correct one year of being out of alignment.

The theory is really quite simple. The atlas is the bottleneck that all of the neurological circuitry carrying the animating energy impulses from the brain must pass through to reach the organs of the body. A misalignment could be simplistically equated to a crimped garden hose. If the neurological circuitry which, for example, feeds the liver receives less than its share of "energy", the body compensates and other organs give up part of their share of the grid to keep the liver functioning. This manifests as a reduction of function of the entire organism. Sometimes it is slight. Sometimes it is drastic, depending of the severity of the atlas misalignment.

The combination of nanoparticle elemental silver sols, taken as a regular supplement, and a NUCCA cervical alignment whenever I loose my adjustment (fall, bang my head, etc) has kept me infection free for many years now.

Here is the doctor locater, from their website, in the event anyone wants to explore further this type of therapy. Although there are not very many trained in this procedure, you can usually find one relatively close to where you live:
http://www.nucca.org/locate-a-doctor

The article above deals specifically with the reduction of hypertension and blood pressure, but there is so much more to what this is all about. Blood pressure reduction is almost just a side effect of correct upper cervical alignment. There is no physical manipulation (bone popping) used in this procedure. It is very gentle and is done with kinesiology, but do not confuse the NUCCA method with any chiropractor who uses kinesiology. It is a very different principle.

I was out of adjustment for almost a year after moving to France. Being out of shape and jumping into some intense heavy lifting labor really messed me up. I was desperate and getting ready to eat the expense of a trip back to the states for treatment. I finally found the only NUCCA trained doctor in France. She happened to be the classmate of a good friend and doctor of mine in the states. Her office is 700 km from my home and in the Alps near Geneva. It is a very expensive trip for me to take after factoring in hotels, meals, autoroute tolls and fuel, but I could not function for very long without it. She tells me that there is now another doctor practicing in Lyon - and there are now a couple in the UK.

I had to literally drag my daughter to her first treatment for her chronic migraines. She was nearly paralyzed when I took her in. In addition to the migraines she had also pinched a sciatic nerve. She left the office cured. She has not had a migraine in years. She was very sore, for a few days, from the effects of the pinched nerve, but she became a believer in the benefits of this discipline.
 
Color said:
Grok said:
I authorize myself to wrote about this because I tested this, I've been there (two months ago). Tested and approved by my body with immediate spectacular significant results at multiple levels...
Not sure if I can't find it or there aren't any explanations on the method itself. Since you've done it and since you've posted it here - can you please describe how it's done? And what do you find to be the change for you after? Also - I've read how further massages and other treatments are recommended, on that site, after it's 'done' - so, how much do you think it has to do with the actual method applied and not with results from after suggested treatments?

Thank you
Color said:
(...) can you please describe how it's done? (...)
With a mechanical massage (with a machine) on some short muscles and ligaments near to the base of the skull. The vertebrae isn't directly touched, but goes in its right place with the massages of this muscles and ligaments. I said to the pratician: "It is very difficult to do a massage with the hands on this zone..."; "It's impossible." he replied. This is clever, the man who invented this really knows anatomy... Praticians of other methods try to replace the vertebrae touching it with hands, and their results are only temporary (the vertebrae moves again after some time).

Color said:
(...) And what do you find to be the change for you after? (...)
The changes are individual, depending on personal history (wich is "printed" on the body). I have a high level of "body conscience" due to my past and present activities related to my body (professional classical and contemporary dancer, Taï Chi Chuan, Qi Gong). I can say: "Everything has changed !...". My daily body work now goes deeper, I get new sensations and some articular possibilities are expanded (particularly with legs, and also with head moves of course). I had a recurrent problem since 18 years with my nape of the neck, because of a professional accident, that not one osteopath had solved, this problem is now solved (immediately after the "application"). This has been incredible for me...

Immediately after the "application" at four o'clock, I took two coffees outside, and then at home I took two green teas, and at six o'clock I was in bed !...

...The changes are not over, two months later, it's like a a kind of new start. Not everything is perfect within my body, it has to be worked like always, but I feel "liberated". For some time after the "application", I tired more quickly than I was used to, when doing body work, maybe because "everything was new". Two months later, this quick "fatiguabilité" (<automatic translation>) is over.

Color said:
(...) Also - I've read how further massages and other treatments are recommended, on that site, after it's 'done' - so, how much do you think it has to do with the actual method applied and not with results from after suggested treatments?
...I'm used to massages and all, before this method. My internal body feeling tells me that this is new. I have to go to my chinese "masseur" to see what he thinks now, he is interested also in this.


...Before going to this method, I asked myself a lot of questions, like you and everyone, and I decided that the only way to really know what's going on was to do this. I don't regret. If you can have other witnesses with persons that really have done it, that would be cool, also. I know some written witnesses but in some french forums. Some that haven't done it are afraid and find a lot of reasons to be afraid and to frighten people, those who have done it are not.
 
...Thanks for your explanations, Rabelais !...

...Seems that one of the differences between what I've been through and what you have been through (the two methods) is that in my case there is no direct manipulation of the Atlas vertebrae and a definitive result in one application, and in you case there would be a vertebrae direct manipulation and a not definitive result ?...

The Atlas vertebra, which lies high in the neck, is not anchored like other vertebrae, so it easily slips out of alignment. It relies solely on muscles and ligaments to stay in place. The vertebra also can become displaced without pain and often goes undetected and untreated.
>>> This seem to be false; when in its right place the C1 is blocked by two plots named "processus styloidae" at the base of the skull, as shown in the video on the site I cited. When not in its right place, the C1 Atlas vertebrae moves.


I haven't said that now my two legs have the same length !... (before, my right leg was one centimeter shorter).

Regards
 
Peam said:
Grok said:
_http://www.atlasprofilax.ch/eng/index.php There

...This is not about diet, but clearly related to health.

...Seems this goes very far.

...I emits the curious and questionable hypothesis that this definitely correct an external genetic manipulation on human beings (I vaguely remind the Cs talking about something similar, if my memory is right, so had I to share this curious thought). A known fact is: two parents who haven't been there produce a child with the same vertebra problem, and two parents who have been through this directly produce a child who has no problem and need no treatment. Seems that all humanity has this problem since birth (or perhaps sooner), human beings without this problem are very rare exceptions. I was used to have it but now it's over.
While there seems to be a lot of evidence for support that this luxation of the axis could be quite common, I haven’t found any evidence that most people are born with it. Even the link you provided doesn’t claim that. The main theory is that the possible causes are injuries from using forceps at birth, childhood knocks and falls, hitting your head etc.

It seems like some folk in the new age crowd has picked up on the condition though, and making unfounded claims that 99.9% of people are born with it and that Sitchin’s Anunnaki caused it.
It’s as though the new agers have taken what the C’s said about the knot in the spine, and twisted it to fool people into believing that this axis condition is a control mechanism and if you get it corrected you’re free of control and you can sit back and be showered with enlightenment.

A search for luxation and saitchin I found this:
This is a snippet from this site:
_http://www.goingdeeper.org/upiforum/113.php
While I enjoy a good story every now and again, this one begged for independent corroboration. A few days later I called my friend Wynn Free the author of The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce? (_www.caycesback.com), who teams with Terry Brown in channeling an evolved extraterrestrial intelligence called the Elohim. When he responded several days later with a message from the Elohim, my information was confirmed: The luxated C1 was deliberately engineered into the Homo sapiens coding by the Anunnaki in order to render their native pool of mining slaves more docile, programmable, and controllable. This mechanism has remained in the human genetic makeup ever since, and I suspect it is well known to those who understand how best to exploit such things.
Well, your thinking is instructive.

I've done it and I'm (physically and mentally, if not to say spiritually) satisfied with that doing (knowing that the work is not over, but a little bit facilitated now for me). So had I to witness my experience, in case it could do some good to some others, as it seems it could.

Regards
 
Grok said:
...Seems that one of the differences between what I've been through and what you have been through (the two methods) is that in my case there is no direct manipulation of the Atlas vertebrae and a definitive result in one application, and in you case there would be a vertebrae direct manipulation and a not definitive result ?...

... I haven't said that now my two legs have the same length !... (before, my right leg was one centimeter shorter).
Thanks for the info Grok :)

Now I have new questions rising, so please help me to make something clear. I have problems with my spine ever since pregnancy for drastically lost weight over that period. And later everyone I saw for that problem told me that if they start to 'correct' my spine - it will take a constant and long term treatment, because when you put first vertebrate in place - the second one moves etc... So, they all need to be put in place, one after another, during the period of couple of months.

Because of my spine - my hips askew and that's causing the slight difference in legs 'length', just like you mentioned above. So, I want to be sure to understood right what you said: just because of that treatment one's whole spine gets into place?

Thank you :)
 
Grok said:
The Atlas vertebra, which lies high in the neck, is not anchored like other vertebrae, so it easily slips out of alignment. It relies solely on muscles and ligaments to stay in place. The vertebra also can become displaced without pain and often goes undetected and untreated.
This seem to be false; when in its right place the C1 is blocked by two plots named "processus styloidae" at the base of the skull, as shown in the video on the site I cited. When not in its right place, the C1 Atlas vertebrae moves.
The information in the article came from the Chicago Tribune. Journalists are not upper cervical corrective specialists. You would need to take this point up with the author.

Since I am in France, it would be most helpful if you could pass on the name and contact information of the practitioner of yours, s'il vous palit. Perhaps email me if you do not wish to post this information. I would certainly visit him if he is nearer than Annecy. The drive from the south to the Alps is too long for me to do round trip in one day.

Someone with upper cervical procedures that are effective would be most convenient to know about, especially if they might be closer to Toulouse.

Merci
 
The upper cervical vertebra is not just held into place by ligaments and I do not believe that one can credibly state that it slips in and out of alignment easily.

The C1 vertebra (atlas) has a couple of features that help keep it stable:
First the odontoid process that sticks up into the the hole that forms the spinal canal and braced in by strong ligaments that run anterior to it and a bony arch that is posterior to it. Furthermore the superior surface of the atlas has two facets which the occipital condyles of the occiput fit into forming a joint capsule and the inferior surface of the atlas has two articular surfaces that intimately form a joint capsule with the C2 vertebra.

color said:
Now I have new questions rising, so please help me to make something clear. I have problems with my spine ever since pregnancy for drastically lost weight over that period. And later everyone I saw for that problem told me that if they start to 'correct' my spine - it will take a constant and long term treatment, because when you put first vertebrate in place - the second one moves etc... So, they all need to be put in place, one after another, during the period of couple of months.
While a series of adjustments are commonly needed in adults there are many reasons for this. One as stated above as you change the alignment to the form at which it functions best many other joints in the body will need to be adjusted to bring them back into proper relationship. This is due to improper alignment and minor instability over a long period of time. In this period of time the body has compensated by healing the area so that it can function as best as possible and the rest of the body also makes minor compensations for this alteration in form.
In the method of care called NUCCA they hypothsize that if you set the atlas back in its proper relationship with the occiput (the base of the skull) and the vertebra below it you trigger a neural reaction that tells the rest of the spine and body what corrections need to be made. They attribute this to the fact that all the nerves that go to the body first pass through the spinal canal of the atlas.

There are so many different techniques that chiropractors subscribe. This is usually to help them justify, explain and find the passion for what they are doing. This does not diminish the impact of this method of care, it just makes it a lot more difficult for people to understand. I have seen, used and studied many different style of chiropractic adjusting and each of them has worked but it is dependent upon the patient.
 
Hi everyone,

So it's been a little bit less that 9 months now since I've been on this "Atlasprofilax" method with a mechanical massage of the short muscles at the base of the skull.

What I can say now to testify:
- the method is effective and produce results on the body that can be spectacular, the method is mechanically clever, the right place of the Atlas is a very important thing.
- in contrast to what I have writes while resuming the site affirmations, the atlas can move again after the method. I verified this on myself when I took some other practices. My Atlas had moved, but before the Atlasprofilax this dislocation was worst (my right leg was one centimeter shorter when I was lengthened on the stomach on a massage table; this is one of the signs of an Atlas dislocation; 3 month later my left leg was shorter when in the same body position. I learned that when the Atlas is dislocated, at first it is the left leg that is shorter when in this body position, and when the dislocation is worst, it is the right leg that become shorter in this same position).

This said, I have found and learned another method to replace my own Atlas by myself when I want to.
Unfortunately, this knowledge I learned will not be accepted by anyone, I guess.
 
So what I will write now will not be accepted by anyone, because it goes at "energetical" levels. Anyway, the mechanical Atlasprofilax is a quite good thing, for those who will not accept non mechanical explanations and doing. I apologize again for my bad english and any confusion I could write, I do my best.

- It seems that the Atlas is related to Ego, Self love and mental

>>> This can explain why my Atlas had moved 3 months after the Atlasprofilax application

- I can now replace my Atlas by myself with my thought, my intention, applied with breathing. This can be mechanically verified (with the body position cited above), it is not an illusion. This seems tremendous, and yes it is (for me at least), but it is also perfectly simple and natural. The question would be: "How can we have forgotten this ?..."

I testify here that it can be done, but no one is obliged to believe me.

That applied intention can do immediate mechanical things on my body, with thought only, in a such important topic as the Atlas is, is a new thing for me and I'm in a process on learning much more things on self-healing with intention, and perhaps healing others too. I'm on this process, so I neither can't say more nor transmit my new knowledge for now, I'm not in the position of helping for now, I have more things to learn before I can help others on this topic and help to heal little annoyances that can come eventually when applying my new knowledge. The only thing I can do for know is testifying: yes, it can be done with "energetical" means which involve thought, intention, breathing and no mechanical actions.

I'll say one more thing that can be believed or not; some call the Atlas dislocation that can be found in everyone: "The atlante implant". Is it true, is it false ?... Anyway, the right position of the Atlas is an important thing.
 
Rabelais said:
Grok said:
The Atlas vertebra, which lies high in the neck, is not anchored like other vertebrae, so it easily slips out of alignment. It relies solely on muscles and ligaments to stay in place. The vertebra also can become displaced without pain and often goes undetected and untreated.
This seem to be false; when in its right place the C1 is blocked by two plots named "processus styloidae" at the base of the skull, as shown in the video on the site I cited. When not in its right place, the C1 Atlas vertebrae moves.
The information in the article came from the Chicago Tribune. Journalists are not upper cervical corrective specialists. You would need to take this point up with the author.

Since I am in France, it would be most helpful if you could pass on the name and contact information of the practitioner of yours, s'il vous palit. Perhaps email me if you do not wish to post this information. I would certainly visit him if he is nearer than Annecy. The drive from the south to the Alps is too long for me to do round trip in one day.

Someone with upper cervical procedures that are effective would be most convenient to know about, especially if they might be closer to Toulouse.

Merci
If you want an Atlasprofilax practitioner near to you, there is a webpage for this in the Atlasprofilax site. The practitioner I've seen is in Paris.
But, as I wrote, I replace know my Atlas by myself !... So I can say from my point of view: "Atlasprofilax is very good, very effective, but I do better by myself on myself now !...".
 
I've had lifelong issues with C1 and C2 twisting out of place. C1 twists to the right, C2 twists to the left. Was also fortunate that grandfather was a chiropractor that had a real talent when it came to "toggle" adjustments. Currently, I see a chiropractor who is "old school" who also is very good at a toggle.

I don't have issues with sciatica very often, but a good adjustment clears up the sinuses and hearing. It's also gotten rid of the tinnitus. For two years until 1999 I suffered terrible migraines that a toggle would give almost instant relief from.

Peg
 
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