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Who's asking? (how to be an STO candidate)

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Ben:
I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread on a topic which I'm sure is a regular dilemma for anyone who has dedicated sufficient time, energy and objectivity to understand the vast amount of information available through Cassiopaea and SotT. This is, how to determine whether or not somebody you know is genuinely interested in finding out more and doing their own research when you introduce them to this information. That is to say, who is really asking for the truth?

Obviously most of us here feel that we have come across a resource which seems to be lead us to the best explanations available for the state of the world, THE paradigm in which the theory is formed by the facts, not the other way around. As we are in the minority, our lives are filled with those people who we are concerned for, wondering whether it would be possible for them to join us for mutual advancement of our understanding. My original perspective when I first came across this site and the Ra material was that I wanted to tell everyone I could, I saw it as the most important thing I could do. Now my perspective has matured, and I see that my priority should be work on myself and provide this information to those that want it, and celebrate free will and the diversity of creation by giving everything its due. The problem is, I have spent many hours with many people telling them everything I could about the answers I think I have, and I think I present a good case which prevents people from coming to conclusions such as: 'he's mad', 'I've heard this before', 'he is not thinking critically enough' etc. The vast majority of people have shown little interest in doing their own research and verifying what I have told them, though a few have been successfully 'converted' :D

The obvious answer to the dilemma is to present the information online or in books, freely available to those which choose to read it. I think somebody's already done a rather good job of that, though, and I see little point in dispersing our efforts as opposed to networking in the interests of colinearity. That leaves us with the difficult decision of who to approach with our 'world view', who is interested, who cares, who wants to do something about it? The main problem for the people in my life has not been adherence to some sort of doctrine or little interest in profound questions, but rather that the disinfo has got to them first and coloured their perspective against such concepts as 'conspiracy theories', 'extraterrestrials', 'psi phenomena' etc. I've come to the conclusion that it takes a certain kind of person to advance substantially with their own research into this, and that the nature of the material chooses who will show the objectivity required.

But still, the situation on Earth looks worse than we all thought (in one sense, for those of us who were complete materialists it now looks wonderful beyond our comprehension). We want to respect the free will of our friends and family but we feel an obligation to tell them the truth, to give them the choice and mostly we don't want them manipulated, confused and basically, food. So there's my thoughts on this, what about you?

Guest:

--- Quote from: Frank Zappa ---A mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work if it's not open
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I think this quote of yours is a good place to start. Different minds open at different altitudes and some don't open at all. Ideally, a mind that can open, opens when the time is right for it to do so. You cannot force-open minds resistant to it. It think that is one of the main things to understand from the discussion on Organic Portals.

So you can throw out the information and minds ready for it will catch it and/or seek those minds on an individual level, one or more at a time. You can throw playful hints and see if they strike a chord. If you don't know who you are dealing with (and even if you think you know) it may be best to supply them with your view in small doses until they encourage you for more. And then you have to watch out that 4D STS does not use them to against you if they are so prone.

I would expect that more people will accept the spirit of the truth far easier than the letter, so a more general approach can allow them to understand things on their terms and then they may even be open to understand it on yours.

Just a few thoughts here.

Green_Manalishi:
I agree with you, i also found that the best way is to use the small hint technique, especially in more earth to earth matters because these are less subjective (and also I don’t think I have the sufficient knowledge to hint about matters that are not so earth to earth, that are more, let’s say, spiritual). Sometimes I don’t even expect that person to tag along with me, it could be just a starting point, and along the way if we encounter at some point, it’s an “extra”.
In a way this is probably the only way to do this, because change must always come from within, if a person really wants to dive head on into these “realms” it really cannot be imposed from an outside source, otherwise that person will lose it’s interest (that it never had in the first place).

   
--- Quote from: Nacre ---These are little, tiny, surface skimming questions designed to get somebody to scratch their noggin and maybe trigger a tiny lightbulb that will launch them into a personal quest. Alas, the best I get is maybe a: "yeah, Oswald might not have done it alone, but so what? There's nothing I can do about it."
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I had an experience somewhat similar to this a few days ago. I was reading the information posted here in the forum about what NASA wasn’t telling us about Mars. I showed a picture that really resembled a tree or a bush on Mars surface, and mentioned that the sky in Mars could actually be blue to a relative of mine (these facts could be wrong, but that’s not the point here). He said something like, “ok, so what I can’t go there”. It’s like if people can’t reach it materially, they don’t care about it. If that information is correct, the possibilities that open are huge, just to think about it is enough for this life (perhaps in the next I can go there :) )

Raintree:
Hi All,

I think the 'best' approach, or say perhaps the most practical approach, is to talk to the individual in question about the probable truths of this realm from likely smaller shocks and work you way up very gradually to likely bigger shocks.  During this process, you can observe if the person is 'asking' or not with interest through their body language and various questions in order to better sense the 'flavor' of the situation.  For example, you might start with "down to earth" subjects such as history, politics, earth changes, sciences, etc, before getting into the more 'shocking' hyperdimensional matters, and if the person does not seem interested at all with what is going on outside their everyday life, then perhaps they are not looking to find real Life but wish to remain in their own everyday 'bubble', and this is their own choice since determining what they need to know is a selfish intention, and not a STO course of action.

However, since the above is only a general guideline,  I think sometimes the vice versa of the above suggestions is the appropriate course of action depending on the specific individual and their specific circumstances.  For instance, if you already know that the individual is already into aliens and stuff, but they think that they are generally 'good' guys who have our best interest at heart and that they are going to come and save them from the darkness of this world, then perhaps starting the discussion from the hyperdimensional nature of the Universe is not such bad idea in regards to such individuals before gradually going down the list of information to more "down the earth" matters coinciding with the hyperdimensional reality, or so I think.

Regards,


Saman

Ben:
Thanks for the replies, I generally agree with your practical approach to this. It is in fact the way I approach it, by starting small (usually with politics) and then offering more 'alternative' explanations. I think I need to be more patient with this approach, though, as I'm quite capable of attempting to recite all I have learned about a particular issue and risk alienating my 'audience'. I've always had a problem with being right, I'm one of those people who finds it very frustrating when I absolutely know I am right but cannot convince someone of this (to put it bluntly, 'I always have to be right'). Of course, what we are talking about here is far more complicated and we often cannot be sure that we are right. But what prompted me to start this topic in the first place is not so much the spiritual or 'cosmic' aspect of things but the things which are right in front of our faces and can be proven, if only people would look.

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