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Endymion:
I decided to post this in 'The Work' as the essential focus of my question is using astrology as a tool for becoming more conscious. (Note to moderators: please feel free to move this to a different section if more appropriate.)

Yesterday I met with a couple of contributors to the forum, and at one point found myself overwhelmed by an old program: feelings of inadequacy, uselessness, mechanicalness, feeling like a complete and weird outsider - with no easy way to move out of the program that was running in me. This arose in me in the afternoon and I awoke several times in the night thinking very deeply about the mechanical way I had spoken during our meeting, and feeling quite shocked by seeing how deeply mechanical I really am. The shock is still resonating in me (at 11am this morning). How difficult it seems to be to behave in a truly conscious way!

This morning I checked out the astrology for the time and found some interesting things in my transits, which provide an almost exact model for my experience, in terms of theme and timing, and likely responses/reactions to such a situation.

My current hypothesis is that the birth chart is a map of our 'machine' and that transits - if we are interested in the Work - help us at those times to focus on certain programs and some of the little I's related to the quality of the transit.

I also found that the transit of Mars to my natal Saturn over the past year reflects the timing of my search for a new job, and the very likely timing of starting the new job, with somewhat uncanny precision.

Does all this imply that I am simply an unconscious reaction machine, or that I am in tune with life and the universe, or a mixture of both? Or is it just a coincidence?

Spiral Out:
I have had similar thoughts about the Work in relation to Astrology. Personally I have learned a lot about me through Astrology. I don't mean the typical shallow sun sign horoscopes but actually working with a professional astrologer and making a personal birth chart.

It has helped me to get a more objective view of myself, my weaknesses  as well as strengths and talents, the lessons to be learned and integrated.
Astrology is like a tool one can use to understand one's personality more objectively and so be able to shape that personality to let the real "I" act through it.  At least that's how I perceive it.

Certain transits do have an influence/impact collectively and personally. Whoever is well versed in astrology can attest in that.



--- Quote ---Does all this imply that I am simply an unconscious reaction machine, or that I am in tune with life and the universe, or a mixture of both? Or is it just a coincidence?
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Not unconscious anymore if you are aware of it. I certainly think that astrology can help to become more aware of one's own reactionary tendencies based on the "Law of Accident". Once aware it is up to you how to react to it. Good Astrology never predicts anything. It just shows certain tendencies/influences, kinda like a "weather forecast". How one reacts to this "weather" depends on the person's level of self-awareness.

For example I am Aquarius with Moon in Cancer and Rising Cancer. Being Aquarius (air) makes me more intellectual and detached, but the Cancer energy (water) gives me quite an emotional depth which I used to be quite a victim to as the Moon (ruler of Cancer) changes signs every three days or say. Major ups and downs. I always had difficulties balancing my intellect with my emotional life. Over the years of self-work I have learned not to be a victim to my own (reactionary) emotions anymore. Well, it still happens here and there but not that extreme. Astrology has helped me to integrate and become more conscious of the inner process.
Cancer has also a very nurturing and healing effect, very sensitive. It's the sign of the "mother" and "healer" so to speak. I've learned to use this energy in  my profession as a bodyworker/massage therapist, a work that came "easy" to me in the sense of making use of my sensitivity more constructively to help others.

Interestingly, an astrologer told me about ten years ago, that whatever I do, it will be related to healing. Back then I had no idea what I would be doing now. Now I don't think that he predicted anything. I just think astrological insight has helped me to integrate/work on my three centers better and make them to better use rather than being a victim to them in an unconscious reactionary manner.  And by becoming conscious/aware I am able to more realize/apply my potential/talents and be of service.

The ultimate realization of this is well put in a quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson:

"Every man has his own vocation. The talent is the call.
There is one direction in which all space is open to him.
He has faculties silently inviting him thither to endless exertion.
He is like a ship in a river; he runs against obstructions on every side but one;
on that side all obstruction is taken away, and he sweeps serenely over God's depths into an infinite sea.
This talent and this call depend on his organisation, or the mode in which a general soul incarnates in him.
 He inclines to do something which is easy to him, and good when it is done, but which no other man can do.
He has no rival.
For the more truly he consults his own powers, the more difference will his work exhibit from the work of any other.
 When he is true and faithful, his ambition is exactly proportional to his powers.
By doing his work he makes the need felt which only he can supply."



On another note, I also find astrology a very valuable tool for parenting. I don't have any kids, but I know that my parents would have had it easier with my complex emotional life as a kid if they knew astrology a bit and therefore had more insight into my inner life which I wasn't able to express and was a reactionary/mechanical victim to.

Miss.K:

--- Quote from: Endymion on January 14, 2008, 12:15:59 PM ---Does all this imply that I am simply an unconscious reaction machine, or that I am in tune with life and the universe, or a mixture of both? Or is it just a coincidence?

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Opening an old thread with my 2 cents;

I have also found that I'm very predictable, when it comes to transits and progressions.
Sometimes it's annoying, (like "oh it shall get better in 30 years") and sometimes comforting (job/money is coming in a month or two, or "that particular pain shall be over next month")
In that way, to me Astrology is as practical as a weather report, when one has to be outside. I can't make it not rain, but I can put on a raincoat, or postpone trip if it looks like earth quakes and volcanoes (though those have a tendency to knock on the door anyways, but at least I'm half prepared)

What I find is that there is lower and higher frequencies of each energy/ interaction of energies, and by adding conciousness, and applying free will, one can sometimes alter the experiences, to be hmm.....more constructive experiences. Or at least avoid adding to the chaos, just like deciding to postpone killing ones husband, until being sure that one isn't PMS, can be useful (humour intended)

For instance, with planetary configuration indicating not funny financial ruin for a year,

1. I can feel miserable when being to poor for what is funny during a year,

2. Or I can while feeling miserable about being too poor for what is funny, use the lack of money to stop eating junk, and go on a healthy diet of fatty meat, get fitter due to walking -due to lack of car, face a few demons due to the lack of substitutes, and meditate a little on how satisfaction becomes more apparent, when desire subsides a little due to starvation of it's invading needs,
so less becomes more... :umm:

-Maybe a bit cheesy, but better than nothing, and therefore preferable to the first option.

I find that Astrology can help pointing in the direction of how one can alter experiences that way, when thinking about what the higher manifestation of that energy would be, and try to adjust behaviour in that direction, and thereby work with the time instead of against it.

Astrology made me realize that I'm a complete reaction machine, which is why it caught my interest, as I thought the first step of breaking free of influences would be to know what the influence is, just like it helps to know if one is PMS, (by the way PMS seems to have gone after changing diet)
I found that what I previously thought was my successes in life, would have been hard to avoid due to lucky configurations, so they weren't that impressive, but that it has released some guilt about bad experiences, as they would have been hard to avoid as well, due to difficult configurations, even if I had been better, or smarter. (though had I been better and smarter, I might had chosen a different time of birth, I don't know)

But I have wondered, if being awake, would totally put one above being influenced, or if one just gets a lot better at navigating in any weather, without having ones core shock up by the influences all the time.

I once read an article about an experiment someone had made, testing reaction to a loud explosion sound, when one had previously been warned of the sound coming.
The result for normal people was visible shock movement of body. The result for highly trained military Air force people was non visible, but measurable with electrodes, shock movement of the body. But for Buddhist monks, in the experiment, there was no reaction, not even measurable with electrodes to the loud sound.
When asked how they did it, they explained that when one knows the sound is coming, it isn't more disturbing than far away birds in the sky.

Perhaps it is the same with the planetary influences, they become like birds in the sky, when one reaches a certain level

But until then, looking forward to Jupiter transiting natal Venus, and expect a break from poverty, and if I'm really lucky I could get a pony :)
(dream on)

graeme15b:
 Great posts above!, I've been interested in astrology for many years and now of the opinion that astrology is a helpful stepping stone to greater knowledge. Astrology can also become a stumbling block if not used within certain perimeters.
 Planetary configurations, aspects, sign positions etc are like a blueprint. This blueprint describes ones inclinations and mechanical nature. Transits are like the mechanical nature of the world & others interacting with the the mechanical nature of oneself. Progressions, solar arcs are like the natural sequence of development of ones mechanical nature as it unfolds step by step. Comparison horoscopes describe how ones mechanical nature interacts with anothers mechanical nature. One can be conscious of the mechanical nature of oneself & others, yet can still be swept along with it. A "positive" configuration or a "negative" configuration are still mechanical however pleasant or unpleasant.
 When one begins to develop ones will, astrological influences will still influence ones lower centres & mechanism. However the individual (funny word that) will now be struggling to direct ones life with applied will against the vast current of mechanism. This struggle can go on for years. From here i can only speculate that when ones will and higher centres have been fully developed the astrological influences will still influence ones machine, however the individual with a developed will and higher centres acts or does not according to his or her will. Hopefully someone can add, correct perhaps, or clarify this fascinating topic.

SeekinTruth:

--- Quote from: graeme15b on December 03, 2011, 01:12:21 PM --- Great posts above!, I've been interested in astrology for many years and now of the opinion that astrology is a helpful stepping stone to greater knowledge. Astrology can also become a stumbling block if not used within certain perimeters.
 Planetary configurations, aspects, sign positions etc are like a blueprint. This blueprint describes ones inclinations and mechanical nature. Transits are like the mechanical nature of the world & others interacting with the the mechanical nature of oneself. Progressions, solar arcs are like the natural sequence of development of ones mechanical nature as it unfolds step by step. Comparison horoscopes describe how ones mechanical nature interacts with anothers mechanical nature. One can be conscious of the mechanical nature of oneself & others, yet can still be swept along with it. A "positive" configuration or a "negative" configuration are still mechanical however pleasant or unpleasant.
 When one begins to develop ones will, astrological influences will still influence ones lower centres & mechanism. However the individual (funny word that) will now be struggling to direct ones life with applied will against the vast current of mechanism. This struggle can go on for years. From here i can only speculate that when ones will and higher centres have been fully developed the astrological influences will still influence ones machine, however the individual with a developed will and higher centres acts or does not according to his or her will. Hopefully someone can add, correct perhaps, or clarify this fascinating topic.

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I don't know all that much about Astrology, but I'm fascinated by it. I just wanted to point out that in your post above, you say "developing the higher centers" and "higher centers have been fully developed." It's my understanding that those who have higher centers, are born with them fully developed and fully functioning. It's the wrong and slow and unbalanced working of the lower centers that prevent the communications from the higher centers from reaching us. So the lower centers have to be fully developed in a harmonious way -- equillibrated -- for the higher centers to begin to work through us.

Did you mean developing the lower centers so that contact could be made with the higher centers and thus developing real will?

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