In shamanic experiences that happen naturally, DMT is the key bio chemistry molecule that makes it happen.
That is theorized but not proven. I agree that it appears to be a key component, but there are several other neurochemicals that seem to be involved there, mainly the MAOI which play a very big part in the artificially induced shamanic visions. In other words, nobody is really talking about what those other neurotransmitters are doing, what their values are, what specific combinations may be required to produce the specific effects, and so on.
Hence any shamanic experience (or may other categories of experience in altered states) are a result of DMT.
No, not "hence." See above. Think about this: when the body suffers an injury, say a puncture wound, and begins certain cascades of activities to erect defenses (multiplying of white blood cells, activation of production of fibrin to repair that wound, etc., you have a clear case of cause and effect. You would say that the wound triggered the body to do it's usual maintenance work.
However, you can also chemically stimulate the body to do all of those maintenance things without the presence of the wound.
Would you say that the process is exactly the same? That the body's activity in response to a wound is the same as the body's activity in response to chemical stimulation of the defense/repair response?
Nearly everything about the process is exactly the same except that the trigger is different and what happens to the activated elements is different. In the first instance, there is a natural, causal reason, and all of the activated systems have a job to do and that job means that the production of the various elements all have a "place to go" and a natural way to be metabolized during the process. In the second case, the elements are activated, but with no real wound to "work on" they may very well create a system jam, or attack some normal part of the body, produce a blood clot that leads to a larger system breakdown, and so on. That is because, without the REASON for the triggering being the one for which the system was designed, there is no natural way to metabolize the products of the system.
Now, that may not be the perfect metaphor, but I think you can get the idea.
Is DMT really implicated in alien abductions? Are alien abductions a result of DMT or is DMT a result of alien abductions?
Notice in the blurb from wikipedia about Strasssman that he "advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations."
Next notice that Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments where the subjects were 'carried', 'probed', 'tested', 'manipulated', 'dismembered', 'taught', 'loved' and even 'raped' by these 'beings'.
In short, there were two distinct classes of experiences: the classic NDE and the alien abduction scenario.
Right here we have a clue that it is not JUST the DMT, but rather that something else is in play. That could be the differences in the neurochemical mix that is triggered by the MAOI which is probably related to the genetics of the different individuals.
This brings up the question: what would DMT do in a psychopath vs an individual with soul potential? What about Organic Portals? What kinds of "DMT Experiences" might they have? It has been shown that the neurochemical mix in the brain of the psychopath is different and ALSO that the neurochemicals have different effects in the brain of the psychopath because some of the basic structures are different. Notice the clues that I included in my post that relate to this - the relationship of MAOI to violent and aggressive behavior.
Do ETs cause your brain to release DMT in order for them to pull you into a 4D pocket so they may have their way with you? Is this one of the ways you would describe as forced means?
I think that here is where you have to think about my example above about the activation of defense/repair systems in the body in the presence of a wound, a physical breach. In this sense, is the event really happening (is there really an abduction taking place?) or is it being triggered by other means? Perhaps you should read my book "High Strangeness" which addresses the abduction issue?
Is this their mechanism of abduction, rape, communication, what have you?
Probably not. Though there are undoubtedly a lot of conditions in modern life - and even conditions in the natural world - that could trigger the release of DMT and, depending on the genetics of the individual which determine the rest of the neurochemical mix, could produce such delusions.
And then, there is 4th Density. When you bring in that factor, all bets are off.
Is a thousand fold increase in DMT in our brains, through DNA activation or any other means, the way that the next level of consciousness reached for the species?
Again, what would be the trigger? Is it the wound that triggers a natural systemic response with a complete process of metabolizing or do you think that the DMT release itself would create the illusion of a wound? The metaphor is not the best here because I don't want to suggest that achieving higher levels of consciousness is akin to a wound, but the dynamic of systemic processes is much the same whether it is a reaction to a wound or a reaction to something that makes you laugh or cry: a cascade of natural, systemic responses is set in motion in reaction to an external stimuli, rather than the cascade beginning on its own and then producing the illusion of what is "out there."
The implication and questions raised by the studies into DMT are immense, far to immense to hand wave away,
Nobody is hand-waving them away. What is problematical here is your approach to the topic. Such discussions require cool heads and careful consideration. It's not a "drive by commentary" topic.
and please, point out to me where the C's have addressed this issue, I have not been able to search anything out of significance.
There are several clues. I already posted one set of remarks about the use of hallucinogens. Here are a couple more that are related:
Q: In some of the ancient carvings of the Olmecs, they were
always carved with a cleft in their foreheads. Did this
represent an actual physical cleft?
A: Designation in the art work is for "The Nation of the
Q: We have talked about the Nation of the Third Eye before.
What is the third eye and how does one activate it?
A: What do you think?
Q: Well, what I think may be erroneous. Is it the pineal
A: May be part of the picture.
Q: Is the third eye something one can use to view their
Q: What is the best method for activating it?
A: This is a good one, for example.
Q: Oh, you mean channeling.
Q: (L) This is something I have always wanted to get into a session, but I keep forgetting it. So, I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget. What is a "Merkabah?" All these New Age types are talking about it all over the place, and I just want to know if the standard interpretation is anything close to the reality. What is a Merkabah?
A: A creative creation.
Q: (L) Are you saying...
A: As were...
Q: (L) You didn't let me finish my question!
A: We heard it in you.
Q: (L) Well, just to get the question on the record, it was are all these people making all this stuff up about what the Merkabah is?
A: But then again, what is made up and why? It is not so simple!
Q: (L) In ancient literature, something called a Merkabah is talked about, but the definition of this extremely mysterious thing has been lost down through the centuries. There have been many "explanations" from such sources as the Midrash - Jewish commentaries - but there is even argument there. It seems that, even then, nobody knew what it was. But now, we have all these New Age folks coming along who have decided that they know what it is, and it is variously described as rotating double tetrahedrons...
A: If no one knows what it is, that is as good as any other explanation.
Q: (L) I want to know what the ancients who wrote about it meant? What is the definition of the word as the ancient writers used it?
A: The original definition predates this.
Q: (L) What is the original definition that predated the ancient writings that we have access to?
A: What do you think?
Q: (L) What? Well, it's a curious word because it is composed of two words or even three: mer kaba or mer ka ba. If we think of it as three part word, we have the Egyptian Ka, which is like the astral body, and the Ba which is similar to the Ka. I guess you could think of them as the astral body and the genetic body. Then there is the Ab which is the sort of principle element of the life in man - like the part that is of God or the soul. The Ab was represented as a red stone. It was the part of the man that expressed desire, lust, courage, wisdom, feeling, sense and intelligence. So, all of them together sort of expresses an abstract creative principle Kaaba is Arabic for cube, and it is the square stone building in which the Black Stone is housed in Mecca. It was supposed to have been built by Ishmael and Abraham. So with Mer, Ka, Ab, and Ba, we have a cube made up of the principle parts of the etheric self, and housing a stone. Soul stone? Mother stone?
A: By god, she's got it!
Q: (L) Okay, we've got the soul or mother stone. Or the mother of all stones. Now that we have a definition, what was it?
A: The Matriarch Stone.
Q: (L) Is the Matriarch Stone the one in Mecca?
A: Symbolism reigns supreme here.
Q: (T) Is this also the Philosopher's Stone?
A: "Stone" to those you perceive as ancients symbolized communication from "a higher source."
Q: (L) What is it about a stone that made the ancients associate it with communication?
A: Radio waves.
Q: (L) How did radio waves interact with the stone? Were they recorded by the stone; transmitted by the stone?
Q: (T) Crystals are stones. Crystals are used for radio transmissions.
Q: (L) And it was said before that Stonehenge was a giant transmitter and receiver. The original purpose of Stonehenge was to receive communication and to send communication. It wasn't all that Druid HooDoo stuff that people talk about nowadays. It was a machine, so to speak. (Johan) Could it be that people who come in contact with a stone in one place, and then they go to another place and come in contact with another stone, transfer something from one stone to another?
A: Well, one strengthens their abilities due to awareness channel grooving.
Q: (L) What gets strengthened from contact with the stones?
A: Your abilities.
Q: (L) When they are talking about this Mother Stone, are they talking about something similar to the Atlantean crystals that gathered, dispersed and/or transduced energy?
A: It is more symbolic. But you are on the right track.
Q: (L) So, in talking about Merkabah, we are not talking about spinning tetrahedrons that enable you to ascend or generate some kind of "astral vehicle." They are saying that visualizing yourself inside of one of these enables you to ascend, or something.
A: If you do that, it may help, though.
Q: (L) It may help what?
A: We are going around in circles here. You should use your own abilities to complete the answers to some of these. But, then again, it is one form of "spinning," is it not?
Q: (T) Everything we have been doing here is all about gaining knowledge and increasing frequency in order to transit from 3rd to 4th density. In ancient times, they would have had to do the same things. But, there may not have been as many experiences available. In order to get experiences, they may have had to travel. So, by going to the stones, they might have increased their frequencies to transit from 3rd to 4th density.
(L) Or they used them as a direct machine or device to do it. Archaeologists say that the people who erected the megaliths were barbarians. They are defined as barbarians because they didn't build cities, they didn't have the wheel, they didn't have organized agriculture, and they left no written records. Those are the defined elements of civilization. Yet, this group of people, whoever they were, did things that we cannot duplicate today, and they did it all over the globe. The groups who came along after them who DID have all the hallmarks of what we call civilization, also could not erect these gargantuan stones. I thought about this for a long time. Archaeologists say they must have erected them as monuments to their gods, or heroes or whatever. Some of them think they were calendars to tell them when to plant the corn. Well, I think that is stretching it a bit. If you can't cross off the days on the wall and look outside and see that it is time to plant the corn, you're in pretty sad shape. You hardly need to haul stones as big as buildings across hills and valleys to set them up in special places to tell you to do that! The psychology of the human being cannot have changed all that much over the many thousands of years from then to now, and it is true that people do not do anything without a powerful motivation; what I call the "payoff." What could be the payoff to haul these things around on greased logs as they are depicted? To create a monument or to bury their kings? To get naked and dance in the moonlight?
(A) Like they had a lot of time to do this while struggling to live the barbarian existence, too!
(L) Yeah. They are supposed to be howling savages who must constantly hunt to get food, yet they are spending all their time, occupying all their strongest men, to push rocks around! Meanwhile, according to the archaeologists and paleontologists, these folks only live to about 40 years at max!
(T) They got a lot of mileage out of those 40 years!
(L) Exactly! But, we are supposed to be thinking about the things they didn't have: cities, wheels, agriculture, and writing.
(F) Maybe they didn't need it.
(L) And why would that be? Because the stones did it all!
(T) Maybe they were 4th density STO beings who planted all those stones all over the place.
(L) Well, if you think about a group of people who are setting up these massive stones like they were pieces of styrofoam. The stones collect energy and information. They then transduce the energy or amplify it. These people know things about movement, dances or spinning or something, that enables them to behave in concert with the stones so that they all become part of a grand machine that does things! All of the legends talk about stylized dances and the oldest things about Stonehenge say that it was the Temple of Apollo and that Apollo danced there all night at certain periods of time. Every 19 years, I believe. When you think about that, and the other places Apollo appeared, the inversions and redactions of the legends, and we come to these magical stones that produce things.
Then we come to the head of Bran the Blessed which supposedly produced endless supplies of bread and fish or whatever else was desired. Bran's head was the giver of all good things. But more than that, it was an oracle. It could speak. And here we have the idea of a similar function for Stonehenge: both an oracle as well as a giver of blessings and bounty. Anything you wanted or needed it provided for you. If you wanted to go somewhere, it transported you as in the legends of the flying carpets. It was magic transportation. All of these things are associated, when you track them back far enough, with a stone. The stones did everything.
(J) And it is funny that stones come up. What I have been doing for the past 10 or 15 years is running around the globe collecting stones. I've been to some of the most ancient places on earth, and I go from one to the other. And from each one, I've collected stones. Plus, Apollo: on Crete, there was an oracle of Apollo on Tara...
(L) And there was Tara in Ireland...
(J) I wouldn't be surprised if Tara meant stone too! How is all this connected?
(L) Exactly. This is what I have always thought about these megaliths. They DID things. All of the things we think are the "signs" of civilization were done by the stones. Maybe Terry is right; these people were at some level of density where they could make this work. At some point, something happened, the ability was lost, and then people had to build cities, engage in agriculture, invent the wheel, and develop writing - because they could no longer do it the "easy" way.
(J) In talking about stones, would the mother of all stones be the navel of the earth; is that the same as Ayers rock? It's the largest stone on earth and they call it the navel of the earth.
(L) Does Ayers rock have anything to do with this?
A: No. Stones were once utilized to provide for all needs, as the energies transmitted connected directly with the pituitary gland to connect spiritual realities with the material realms of 3rd and 4th densities. So you see, the "stone" was viewed as Matriarchal indeed!
Q: (L) Were the beings involved in this type of activity 3rd density, 4th density or bi-density?
A: Originally 4th when home was in other locators.
Q: (L) Could it be said that the pituitary gland itself is the body's own "mother stone?"
A: If you prefer.
I haven't finished reading this thread yet. I'm on page eight. It is very inspiring. Nevertheless I want to share an image with you. Civilization how it is defined today with all its technological achievements looks rather symptomatic in the light of this post. The spiritual, stone related form of human society being connected to nature in ways we can barely imagine evoked an image in my mind: Imagine a clearing seen from above, a magical place with huge stones put into certain places. Between these stones you see highly organized patterns of dancers moving like animated crop circles. It's some kind of organic machinery like a cellular network, a technology that uses natural ways of interacting with life, having even 'magical' effects onto matter. This organic machinery is driven by music.
Our modern society on the other hand seems to compensate for the loss of this very link to nature, this (w)holy knowledge, the loss of all the 'magical' abilities like telepathy. A society that communicates telepathically by nature, using images instead of words, would never invent writing or all the other forms of technology and engineering we define as signs of advanced civilization. What today is called sophisticated technology might very well be nothing else than prostheses and implants for an invalid who has forgotten that he once was healthy. Those are rather signs of advanced degradation. Since this amnesia, this devolutionary process occurred, all the natural abilities have been replaced by technological prostheses one by one, a process that turns humans into machines, a process that excludes the world around us bit by bit, even the very parts of ourselves, getting more and more alienated in our own bodies, relying more and more on outer technological influences. It's as if someone wants to convince himself of non-being. I want this to stop. I'm getting sick of this paragraph.
Unless we remember our old abilities I guess we need those external technologies to compensate for the lack of those internal abilities. I wish that we can regain our places in the cosmic organism, getting whole and healthy again. The German word for "single human being" is “Einzelner”. I've always made the mistake of misspelling it “Einzellner” because to me this word has always been linked to the word “ single cell” or “protozoan” which means “Einzeller” in German. As above so below.
Maybe those crop-circles really are some code of practice, maybe we could translate it into music and dances. I wonder what those dances were Gurdjieff was engaged in. There seems to be more than meets the eye. I have always been drawn to the idea that there might be an alternative technology that uses what is already there instead of inventing something additional. EDIT:
spelling... curious, I've misspelled "word" three times without noticing. I wrote "world" instead of "word", no kidding.