I stumbled upon an interesting research about fluctuations of the heartbeat, and how it may affect our wisdom. The research says that "physiology of the heart, specifically the variability of heart rate during low physical activity, is related to less biased, wiser judgment." And after reading it I had a eureka moment, that smoking causes exactly such changes in the heartbeat, even when one is sitting. So perhaps smoking helps with "sharpening of the mind" not only due to the effects of Nicotine, but also because of the changes in the heartbeat? 
Here are the conclusions of the research.
Here are the conclusions of the research.
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Nico
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Thank you Odyssey, I read it and it came up with lots of informations and even more question. So I choose to stop tabacco for a while, I used to use it to hide my job/money/livingwithmom stress ^^ (which might be related to MTHFR : http://www.beyondmthfr.com/a-genetic-cause-of-pain-and-anxiety-comt-mao-and-mthfr/).
And yes, lainey, let's learn together, I will dig here : https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34286.0.html.
And yes, lainey, let's learn together, I will dig here : https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34286.0.html.
naorma
Dagobah Resident
A very healthy lung
I just want to pass on a story about "smoking is bad for your lung":
Yesterday I met a lady who sometimes helps me with solving problems. She told me the following story.
Two years ago a friend of her died at the age of 72. He was a very healthy man, sporty, dancing, tall, always out and a non-smoker and non-drinker. He had some cough for 2 weeks, went to the doctor who said he had lung cancer and he died 2 weeks later.
Since my lady is a smoker since she was 12 years (now she is about 60) she was shocked and decided to check her lungs by doing a x-ray. She of course gave the details of her smoking situation to the registration.
After having done the x-ray she came into the doctors office to talk about the result and he told her: "Wonderful! This is something you very seldom see! The true clean lung of a non-smoker!"
The doctor was a little bit confused when she told him about her being a very heavy smoker! Good to know!
I just want to pass on a story about "smoking is bad for your lung":
Yesterday I met a lady who sometimes helps me with solving problems. She told me the following story.
Two years ago a friend of her died at the age of 72. He was a very healthy man, sporty, dancing, tall, always out and a non-smoker and non-drinker. He had some cough for 2 weeks, went to the doctor who said he had lung cancer and he died 2 weeks later.
Since my lady is a smoker since she was 12 years (now she is about 60) she was shocked and decided to check her lungs by doing a x-ray. She of course gave the details of her smoking situation to the registration.
After having done the x-ray she came into the doctors office to talk about the result and he told her: "Wonderful! This is something you very seldom see! The true clean lung of a non-smoker!"
The doctor was a little bit confused when she told him about her being a very heavy smoker! Good to know!
Re: A very healthy lung
What a cool story, thanks for sharing naorma
Maybe you came across this already - a doctor speaking about the "black lung lie" in a mainstream TV show (German):
https://youtu.be/YcJKeJnbl1o
naorma said:
What a cool story, thanks for sharing naorma
Maybe you came across this already - a doctor speaking about the "black lung lie" in a mainstream TV show (German):
https://youtu.be/YcJKeJnbl1o
I'm passing along a piece that came today from the medical Journal PEDIATRICS, via Family Practice News email circular.
Pediatric Exposure to E-Cigarettes, Tobacco Products
Pediatrics; ePub 2016 May 9; Kamboj, Spiller, et al
MAY 24, 2016
Severe outcomes are being reported in young children who are frequently and increasingly exposed to e-cigarettes and nicotine liquid, and prevention strategies are needed to regulate these products to help prevent child poisoning. This according to an analysis of 29,141 calls received by the National Poison Data System for exposures associated with nicotine and tobacco products among children aged <6 years in the US. Researchers found:
• Cigarettes accounted for 60% of exposures, followed by other tobacco products (16.4%) and e-cigarettes (14.2%).
• Monthly number of exposures associated with e-cigarettes increased by 1492.9% during the study period.
• Children aged <2 years accounted for 44% of e-cigarette exposures, 91.6% of cigarette exposures, and 75.4% of other tobacco exposures.
• Children exposed to e-cigarettes had 5.2 times higher odds of a health care facility admission and 2.6 times higher odds of having a severe outcome than children exposed to cigarettes.
Citation: Kamboj A, Spiller HA, Casavant MJ, Chounthirath T, Smith GA. Pediatric exposure to e-cigarettes, nicotine, and tobacco products in the United States. [Published online ahead of print May 9, 2016]. Pediatrics. doi:10.1542/peds.2016-0041.
Commentary: The use of e-cigarettes has increased dramatically over the last 5 years in both adults and teenagers. In fact, the rate of current use for e-cigarettes in high school has increased from rare use at 1.5% of students in 2011 to being commonly used at 16% of students in 2015.1 In addition to the direct negative effects of nicotine on health, this study shows the potential for adverse consequences in children who may accidentally ingest nicotine from these devices that are now increasingly found around many homes as a consequence of use by parents and older siblings. It is a good thing that the FDA now has jurisdiction over e-cigarettes, that they will no longer be sold to persons under 18 years of age, and that there is increased recognition that e-cigarettes have many potential adverse health consequences.2 —Neil Skolnik, MD
1. Singh T, Arrazola RA, Corey CG, et al. Tobacco use among middle and high school students—United States, 2011–2015. [Published online ahead of print April 15, 2016]. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2016;65:361–367. doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm6514a1.
2. FDA takes significant steps to protect Americans from dangers of tobacco through new regulation. FDA Web site. May 5, 2016. www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm499234.htm. Accessed May 9, 2016.
Pediatric Exposure to E-Cigarettes, Tobacco Products
Pediatrics; ePub 2016 May 9; Kamboj, Spiller, et al
MAY 24, 2016
Severe outcomes are being reported in young children who are frequently and increasingly exposed to e-cigarettes and nicotine liquid, and prevention strategies are needed to regulate these products to help prevent child poisoning. This according to an analysis of 29,141 calls received by the National Poison Data System for exposures associated with nicotine and tobacco products among children aged <6 years in the US. Researchers found:
• Cigarettes accounted for 60% of exposures, followed by other tobacco products (16.4%) and e-cigarettes (14.2%).
• Monthly number of exposures associated with e-cigarettes increased by 1492.9% during the study period.
• Children aged <2 years accounted for 44% of e-cigarette exposures, 91.6% of cigarette exposures, and 75.4% of other tobacco exposures.
• Children exposed to e-cigarettes had 5.2 times higher odds of a health care facility admission and 2.6 times higher odds of having a severe outcome than children exposed to cigarettes.
Citation: Kamboj A, Spiller HA, Casavant MJ, Chounthirath T, Smith GA. Pediatric exposure to e-cigarettes, nicotine, and tobacco products in the United States. [Published online ahead of print May 9, 2016]. Pediatrics. doi:10.1542/peds.2016-0041.
Commentary: The use of e-cigarettes has increased dramatically over the last 5 years in both adults and teenagers. In fact, the rate of current use for e-cigarettes in high school has increased from rare use at 1.5% of students in 2011 to being commonly used at 16% of students in 2015.1 In addition to the direct negative effects of nicotine on health, this study shows the potential for adverse consequences in children who may accidentally ingest nicotine from these devices that are now increasingly found around many homes as a consequence of use by parents and older siblings. It is a good thing that the FDA now has jurisdiction over e-cigarettes, that they will no longer be sold to persons under 18 years of age, and that there is increased recognition that e-cigarettes have many potential adverse health consequences.2 —Neil Skolnik, MD
1. Singh T, Arrazola RA, Corey CG, et al. Tobacco use among middle and high school students—United States, 2011–2015. [Published online ahead of print April 15, 2016]. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2016;65:361–367. doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm6514a1.
2. FDA takes significant steps to protect Americans from dangers of tobacco through new regulation. FDA Web site. May 5, 2016. www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm499234.htm. Accessed May 9, 2016.
Yupo said:
Yupo,
I am not sure if you believe the above article but I would take it with a grain of salt. Since you are not a smoker from what I gather in your posts, then I don't think anyone here is encouraging you to start. I don't think most of us want to blow smoke in baby's faces or annoy others with smoking.
I think it would help if you read or re-read the whole thread to understand that those of us who do post here and smoke are not just blowing smoke but have been trying to find out what the facts really are about tobacco and the benefits of nicotine.
Within this thread are many references to studies and the history of tobacco. Here are a few:
https://www.sott.net/article/314032-White-bread-bagels-increase-risk-of-lung-cancer-by-49-percent-with-non-smokers-more-at-risk-study-finds
https://www.sott.net/article/139304-Lets-All-Light-Up
https://www.sott.net/article/232039-5-Health-Benefits-of-Smoking%20Page
https://www.sott.net/article/234316-Freedom-of-Association-Smoking-and-Psychopathy
https://www.sott.net/article/221013-Health-Benefits-of-Smoking-Tobacco%20Page%203%20of
https://www.sott.net/article/228189-New-Light-on-the-Black-Death-The-Viral-and-Cosmic-Connection
https://www.sott.net/article/254745-Nicotine-The-Zombie-Antidote
https://www.sott.net/article/234667-Pestilence-the-Great-Plague-and-the-Tobacco-Cure
http://joequinn.net/2012/10/09/comets-plagues-tobacco-and-the-origin-of-life-on-earth/
https://www.sott.net/article/280903-Lets-all-light-up-What-you-dont-know-about-tobacco
https://www.sott.net/article/194853-Health-fear-over-trendy-cigarettes-substitute
https://www.sott.net/article/242547-Study-of-miners-exposed-to-diesel-finds-smokers-were-far-LESS-likely-to-develop-lung-cancer
https://www.sott.net/article/232039-5-Health-Benefits-of-Smoking
https://www.sott.net/article/138559-Nicotine-helps-Alzheimers-and-Parkinsons-Patients
https://www.sott.net/article/315356-The-epidemic-of-junk-science-in-tobacco-smoking-research
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,84.msg638326.html#msg638326
If you do more research maybe you will understand better why some of us think there could be some benefits to smoking that the medical system does not want to accept. It won't surprise me if the propaganda continues to get worse.
Yupo said:
Cheers for pointing this out, Yupo.
I would agree that exposure to e-cigs and "vape pens" is probably not very good for anyone, especially children. These things are relatively recent and I believe that we are yet to witness the long-term health consequences. My experience with e-cigs was pretty nasty, but nothing when compared to some of the other forum members here who have been through a lot worse as a result of using them. Clearly, when nicotine is ingested in extremely large, unnatural quantities (like from e-cig liquid), it is likely to cause problems. From reading the research on nicotine however, I think it is highly probable that nicotine itself is a benign chemical which offers substantial physiological benefits to those who regularly consume it, and IMO it is fair to say that the conclusion of the article regarding nicotine is worth ignoring ;D
I should have clarified my reason for posting the article. I posted it just to inform all of you about the nicotine dialogue going on in professional journals. I take it with a shaker of salt.
This piece seems to be more about toxicology, easy ingestion potential for the nicotine liquids, so not so applicable to smoking. OTOH, the information might be used to limit access to the products, so good to be informed of the conversation.
About me: I am neutral. At work, I unfortunately have to deal with things like gangrene which have been helped along by tobacco use. So I don't encourage people to smoke.
Privately, i grew up working as a tobacco harvester. In those years, I saw several miraculous things having to do with health and tobacco, mostly relating to wound healing.
I have observed other interesting things about tobacco use over the years.
I have an open mind, even though I prefer not to smoke.
Yupo said:
Yupo,
Thanks for clarifying that. It is interesting that you have personally seen some healing benefits of tobacco. I wasn't sure if you had seen some of the other links in the thread. This not exactly the era of tobacco promotion. This is not the first time smoking has been restricted or banned. It was done in Germany in WWII 1933-1945. I posted here about it.
Sorry if I over-reacted. :/
Yupo said:
Hi Yupo
I would guess the gangrene is affected by lack of oxygen to the peripheral capillaries? exacerbated by smoking? I don't know if this diabetes related, but one thing to try might be the Wim Hof breathing method to oxygenate the body. search "Wim Hof breathing"
I was interested in the "harm" reduction relative to e-cigs that regular cigarettes showed (5.2 times more health care admission for e-cigs as opposed to regular cigarettes). I wonder what their definition of harm is? Perhaps I will look into it.
good luck
Yes, a lack of oxygen, but it is because of a lack of blood getting to the area. Smoking damages both arteries and veins in a variety of ways, and the problems can progress, even after quitting because of scarring of vessels. There is maybe an hour or so after each cigarette in which peripheral blood flow is reduced by about 50% because of arterial muscle layer constriction. Most people can get by with 50% less blood. Someone with poor perfusion anyway can get into some real trouble.
I think there is much greater risk for this with some people. How to identify these people early, I don't know. Other people seem to do ok with heavy smoking throughout life.
Yupo said:
have you checked out the Ketogenic thread under health? if not, it would probably really help you. https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28799.0.html
you could also do a search of the forum for "gangrene"
all the best
Yupo said:
What would be your source for this information about blood flow? I have heard this stuff before but I have never been able to find any sound science to back it up.