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Visions and Hallucinations
mapsurfer:
This is a really touchy subject to some who are polarized by religion or science because there is no documented
proof that visions/hallucinations of the mind are real. It is very frustrating and makes a person question reality in the first place. Visions that occur while you are wake typically occur in the "corner of your eye", typically derived from natural light however their is a strange human phenomena that allows one to visualize thoughts.. These I dont really consider to be full blown visions, but it is a precursor to visions that some people experience. Hallucinations/Visions happen to humans all the time, and they seem quite real, and you would swear "this or that" occurred.
The really strange thing about Hallucinations, and that which gets my attention is that the content of experience is
the description of the experience. I had heard people talk about 3D objects becoming 2D, spherical objects, orbs, light bending, aliens, insects, lions and tigers... oh my. In many cases, tales so bizarre it's scary.. and the hallucination seems to take on a life of its own.
I was recently introduced to a psychotherapy technique called EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) which I can only describe as hypnosis thru repetitious and patterned stimulation of the senses. I have done it 3-4 times with some success... and I have taken guided tours of the sub conscience, and I have seen remarkable visions with this technique. It does not work for everyone, but they are claiming that it does in fact work for 70% of their patients.
People who experience hallucinations from certain drugs often get more profound results, but I am in no way suggesting anyone should try them. I read a book by Dr. Rick Strassman DMT: The Spirit Molecule which was
a pretty good read, but I do not necessarily agree with some aspects of his hypothesis. He could have gone to
a little extra effort to prove DMT is secreted in the brain. We all know that melatonin is secreted in such a manner, but as for DMT?? At least he made hypothesis, which is a major milestone at at the risk of this professional career was willing to connect these dots.
Anywayz, hallucinations have always fascinated me because I have had many in my lifetime and I have often reflect upon them to decipher some special meaning. They seem so mystical and spiritual to me, that I can't help take notice. Even if these hallucinations are not spiritual in nature, they do make me ponder such thoughts. If nothing else, hallucinations seem to be some kind of link between the laws of nature and the supernatual on a conscience and subconscience level.
Regards,
-map
transdimensional:
--- Quote ---Hallucinations seem to be some kind of link between the laws of nature and the supernatural on a conscience and subconscience level
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I disagree. You create an artificial division between “the laws of nature” and “the supernatural”. IMHO there is no dichotomy between the two of them.
Is reality a shared hallucination ?
Maybe you talk about pseudohallucinations, which are (as a psychological definition) images vivid enough to be hallucinations but recognized as “unreal” ?
In terms of perception what do you think is the difference between hallucinations, pseudohallucinations and “reality” ?
mapsurfer:
--- Quote from: transdimensional ---Hallucinations seem to be some kind of link between the laws of nature and the supernatural on a conscience and subconscience level
I disagree. You create an artificial division between “the laws of nature” and “the supernatural”. IMHO there is no dichotomy between the two of them.
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No dichotomy between the natural and supernatural ? Hmm. Well, when I think of supernatural I assert these things that cannot be explained by nature, and therefore nature and supernatural would be mutually exclusive. Do you believe there to be some overlap, or Do you have a concept that differs?
--- Quote from: transdimensional ---Is reality a shared hallucination ?
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Hmm.. I don't think so. Do you think this way?
--- Quote from: transdimensional ---Maybe you talk about pseudohallucinations, which are (as a psychological definition) images vivid enough to be hallucinations but recognized as “unreal” ?
In terms of perception what do you think is the difference between hallucinations, pseudohallucinations and “reality” ?
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Well, it could be a pseudohallucination, or simply an illusion. Again, I'm not wanting to debate a strict definition, but I'll just say, it is something that you can see visually, perhaps auditory as well.. Unsure if its reality by definition, probably not. And I only say probably because it can't be scientifically measured. (It exists only in your mind, and nowhere else)
There was no Wiki page for pseudohallucination which could help me split hairs, but just let me say this..
The hallucinations I have had... Are probably NOT real, but if for example you see a ghost (0=false, 1=true,?=maybe) If I said I do NOT believe in ghosts, then I would say it was 100% Unreal Hallucination.
But having seen it makes me question what I believe to be real.
You know the ole saying "I'll believe it if I see it". Which I have always said about UFOs, etc. Never seen one
*yet*.... But I have seen with eyes wide open, alien looking creatures, spirits and other whacky characters that
I put in the Hallucination category. Are they real? I really don't know. They certainly seem real,
but I sort of put them into my "dream" category even though my eyes were wide open. The only way I can justify these hallucinations, is that they are sub conscience like dreams.
Regards,
-map
transdimensional:
--- Quote ---No dichotomy between the natural and supernatural ? Hmm. Well, when I think of supernatural I assert these things that cannot be explained by nature, and therefore nature and supernatural would be mutually exclusive. Do you believe there to be some overlap, or Do you have a concept that differs?
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Try to get acquainted with the material that is presented here! Maybe you should read some of the recommended books before trying to start such a discussion?
--- Quote ---Is reality a shared hallucination ? Hmm.. I don't think so. Do you think this way?
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Sometimes it definitely looks like it. Maybe you know the concept of “The Matrix”?
Try to get acquainted with the material that is presented here!
--- Quote ---There was no Wiki page for pseudohallucination which could help me split hairs
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Why do you intend to split hairs?
I would recommend to contemplate your “hallucinatory” perceptions (How are they structured? How do they relate to your everyday perceptions? What do they mean to you? What kind of settings (situations/environments/persons/moods) trigger these perceptions?)
If you study these things thoroughly you will be able to answer all these questions by yourself. Nobody can do it for you as you are the best expert of your own perceptions…
mapsurfer:
Is there some specific material you referring to? If I can make some time, I will order some of these books, but what makes you believe I am somehow not capable of starting a discussion on the subject? Arg dude. a hallucination/pseudohallucination is pretty much splitting hairs. You are simply asking me to define something for you, and I really dont think it makes much difference.
Is the movie "The Matrix" what you think is the truth? There is a undeniable real element to living on planet earth. There may be *something* resembling the matrix within a hallucination, but you can't just say everything is unreal.
I am simply trying to find others who have experienced hallucinations, and willing to talk about them. Perhaps there is someone willing to share their real experiences?? Yeah I am certainly willing to share my experience, but I dont think anyone in this forum really cares.
Regards,
-map
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