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Nassim Haramein has discovered the Unified Theorey of Physics (???)
anonymousoneuk:
Well...
I am quite disappointed...
That is i think i am, if it is that you are suggesting Nassim Haramein is promoting Misinformation.
I will try to address some points and give my opinion.
Indeed it is quite unsettling that this Elizabeth Rauscher has played a part in Mr Harameins project.
This is indeed sinister, but perhaps not for the reasons alluded to thus far.
Laura you are quite right in what you say, anyone who has a slightest possibility of solving and revealing the riddles that perplex those in the field of physics not to mention humankind in general, would certainly be pushed out into the fringes of society.
This is what Nassim Haramein has described himself to have experienced.
Ark, i would guess your analysis on part of the mathematics is correct, however, it seems that you are suggesting that this is a certain indication that Nassim Harameins theories have little potential to carry much weight.
Could Elizabeth Rauscher involvement be for sake of corrupting his efforts because he is on to something?
What better way to prevent someone from speaking their "truth" and revealing mysteries, than to infiltrate and divert?
Surely something this is something your familiar with Ark and Laura? SOTT in general have come under numerous attacks in this manner.
But what has been learned, is that if one is aware then one can defend, something Mr Haramein is most definitely missing is most valuable awareness.
I say this, but haven't we all been at various stages in our lives? Yet we all got to where we are now, we are all on "the path".
Despite this absence we survived and why?
Because STS cannot subjugate freewill, they can only subvert it.
They cannot destroy truth, they can only distort it.
If he is onto something and they cannot as they cannot kill him or destroy his truth, then would they leave him to his own devises?
Your own experience answers that question.
Right now i am speaking on account of an intuitive sense, that the way way his explains the progressive development of physics and the way he explains his vision of how it physixcally operates, make sense.
I don't think this is as clear cut case of disinformation as has been suggested, seeing as Mr Haramein has now had his funding cut, i think it will be interesting to see what develops.
Peace
Meager1:
--- Quote from: anonymousoneuk on September 19, 2008, 01:35:22 PM ---Well...
"I am quite disappointed...
That is i think i am, if it is that you are suggesting Nassim Haramein is promoting Misinformation.
I will try to address some points and give my opinion.
Indeed it is quite unsettling that this Elizabeth Rauscher has played a part in Mr Harameins project.
This is indeed sinister, but perhaps not for the reasons alluded to thus far.
Laura you are quite right in what you say, anyone who has a slightest possibility of solving and revealing the riddles that perplex those in the field of physics not to mention humankind in general, would certainly be pushed out into the fringes of society.
This is what Nassim Haramein has described himself to have experienced.
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Your question appears to be..Is Mr. Haramein knowingly promoting disinformation?
Perhaps not, he may not be aware of what he has missed or that he is being used.
Yet one might ask why not, if he is as involved in various research as it appears, would he NOT have researched potential promoters or business partners? And if he did, then why would he have chosen to associate with those he is involved with?
Does make you wonder. And of course living in Hawaii must be quite expensive, not at all what one could consider the "fringes of society" in that respect.
Perhaps you are simply "wishful thinking" that it might be otherwise?
Belibaste:
--- Quote from: anonymousoneuk on September 19, 2008, 01:35:22 PM ---Well...
I am quite disappointed...
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Maybe a disappointing truth is better than a comfortable lie ?
--- Quote ---That is i think i am, if it is that you are suggesting Nassim Haramein is promoting Misinformation.
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Indeed available data strongly suggests that Haramein was theagent of a broad disinformation operation.
--- Quote ---Laura you are quite right in what you say, anyone who has a slightest possibility of solving and revealing the riddles that perplex those in the field of physics not to mention humankind in general, would certainly be pushed out into the fringes of society.
This is what Nassim Haramein has described himself to have experienced.
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But available data seem to prove the opposite. Haramein was funded for years, he got support, he got equipment, he was located in Hawaii, he had a shelter. Haramein obviously wasn't silenced, threatened, starved or sued.
--- Quote ---Ark, i would guess your analysis on part of the mathematics is correct, however, it seems that you are suggesting that this is a certain indication that Nassim Harameins theories have little potential to carry much weight.
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I guess that Haramein's physics paper has the potential of a fishing expedition, a disinfo and a joke. That is a lot of potential to lead people astray but not much potential to bring them closer to truth.
--- Quote ---Could Elizabeth Rauscher involvement be for sake of corrupting his efforts because he is on to something?
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Or because he's on nothing ? What better way to keep people ignorant than to promote non sense ? In both case what matter are the fruits and obviously Anaheim was spreading disinformation, consciously or not.
--- Quote ---What better way to prevent someone from speaking their "truth" and revealing mysteries, than to infiltrate and divert?
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By silencing him maybe ?
Did Haramein get sued ? Did government agent threaten him ? Was he banned ? Was he financially starved ?
--- Quote ---I say this, but haven't we all been at various stages in our lives? Yet we all got to where we are now, we are all on "the path".
Despite this absence we survived and why?
Because STS cannot subjugate freewill, they can only subvert it.
--- End quote ---
All human beings on this planet are STS, you, me, Anaheim, anybody. And from what I understand few people are really on the path. A lot of people are not even thinking, just turning in circles like reaction machines.
--- Quote ---They cannot destroy truth, they can only distort it.
If he is onto something and they cannot as they cannot kill him or destroy his truth, then would they leave him to his own devises?
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I'm afraid killing is one of the tools they often use. So someone who wants to spread valuable truth should be ready for killing attempts. If Anaheim didn't have to face such a situation it's maybe because he simply didn't have any valuable truth to share.
--- Quote ---Right now i am speaking on account of an intuitive sense, that the way way his explains the progressive development of physics and the way he explains his vision of how it physixcally operates, make sense.
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Sometimes truth is quite counterintuitive, hard data might be more useful than what we call "intuition".
--- Quote ---I don't think this is as clear cut case of disinformation as has been suggested, seeing as Mr Haramein has now had his funding cut, i think it will be interesting to see what develops.
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What is the next step ? Funding disinformation agents that are more efficient than Anaheim ?
anart:
--- Quote from: anonuk ---Well...
I am quite disappointed...
That is i think i am, if it is that you are suggesting Nassim Haramein is promoting Misinformation.
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I'm just curious as to why are you disappointed? Is it because it IS disinformation or is it because it was revealed as such and your promotional efforts were ineffective (considering you are promoting this information on other websites as well)?
Spiral Out:
--- Quote from: anonymousoneuk on September 19, 2008, 01:35:22 PM ---Well...
I am quite disappointed...
That is i think i am, if it is that you are suggesting Nassim Haramein is promoting Misinformation.
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....which also makes me think, are you interested in truth, as it IS, even if it doesn't agree with your subjective preferences of how it "should be", or are you just looking for a good sounding "idea" or "theory" that doesn't require much work on your part and doesn't offend any "sacred cows" you may be holding on to?
In other words, it seems you are looking more for a validation for what you believe to be true (Intuition or "resonance" can be quite misleading if your reading instrument (your Self) is conditioned/clouded with beliefs and opinions based on wishful thinking).
That is why Self-work and Truth seeking go hand in hand and is very much encouraged on this board here. "I am quite disappointed..." is a very subjective statement and irrelevant to seeing truth as it is. Subjectivity is a STS trait afterall. Haramein may be speaking truth here and there, but even a small percentage of lies can divert the whole project into a powerful outlet of disinformation, a perfect instrument for COINTELPRO. Haramein doesn't even have to be aware of that at all. He may be thinking that he's on the right track, having the "key" to "save" humanity. I've seen his lecture and my "intuition" tells me that there is something fishy about his project, although I'd "love" it to be true because it "sounds" great from a wishful thinking point of view. So, my "intuition" tells me the opposite of what your "intuition" tells you. Just a perfect example that intuition alone is not enough and that's why hard data is needed as well.
As others have pointed out, the fact that he has not been silenced, but the contrary, is supported and very well financed, shows that something may be not quite as it seems to be. Especially in the the field of Science, where other Scientists working in similar fields seem to have a much harder time to pursue such work.
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