Alex Jones - COINTELPRO? Fascist Tool?

[Lisa Guliani]

I can weigh in on the issue of Israel-Zionist involvement in 9-11.

1.  The WTC complex was purchased by a jewish man (Larry silverstein) who has direct ties to two of Israel's      Prime Ministers:  Ariel Sharon & Benjamin Netanyahu.

2.  Silverstein's mortgage holder was Jewish, the man who arranged the deal was Jewish, the CEO of Blackstone Group also Jewish.

3.  The Pentagon is highly infiltrated at the highest levels.  The Defense Policy Board at the time was controlled by Jewish men and Zionists.

4. Most powerful lobbyist groups in Washington, D.C. (AIPAC, AEI) that determine foreign policy are Jewish oriented/controlled.

5. The first people arrested only hours after the 9-11 attacks were Jewish (Dancing Israelis), as was the man who eventually freed them, Michael Chertoff.

6. Dov Zakheim - known as the 9-11 Mastermind (Jewish)

7. The high tech companies that broke america's secret communication codes and back-doored their way into computer and telephone databanks were Israeli-owned.  

8. Israel-Zionists have a firm grip on the banks at the top of the world's control pyramid.

9 They were also in charge of security at the WTC towers and the airports on 9-11.  Only one entity had inside access to all of the vital airports on 9-11 in order to breech security - it was an Israeli-owned company.

10.  The American mass media monopoly is Jewish/zionist owned and controlled - the spinmeisters who shaped public perception and have worked in a symbiotic relationship with the other players > cover-up.

11. The blueprint for the 9-11 attack was penned by rabid zionists, many of them Jewish.  (PNAC report, Rebuilding America's Defenses)

Four Strategic focal points had to be set in place before the 9-11 attacks could take place:
a) Imperative that George W. Bush be selected President in November, 2000.

b) The Pentagon and Defense forces had to be commandeered by the inside culprits.

c) The WTC towers needed to be purchased from NYC's Port Authority.

d) Security at specific airports and at the WTC complex had to be controlled.

These four points had to be locked in to set the wheels of 9-11 in motion.

The entire 9-11 operation was Israeli-controlled, from soup to nuts.  Israel had the means, the motive, the opportunity,and  the resources to pull it off (with help from their cronies ).

It gets more involved than this, but the above gives you a pretty good idea, I think.
Our book (not Michael Collin's Piper's book) on Israel's central role in 9-11 should be released in a few weeks.

Soup to nuts, name one other nation in the world who had the means, motive, opportunity and resources to pull off 9-11.  Who, among nations, has benefitted from 9-11 and the subsequent war on terror the most?  Israel.

Lisa

[Lisa Guliani]

CyberChrist,
You seem to have a problem with WING TV.
Why don't you just spit out what you came here to say and stop wasting everybody's time.
Go ahead.
I'm not buying your schtick for one minute, so say what you came to say and get off the pot already.

Lisa Guliani

[Nomad]

Well that's interesting but once again I find myself out of my depth. I'm completely missing the Israel connection to 9/11. I see it alluded to all over these forums but haven't yet found the actual explanation of how these things are actually related.

I can weigh in on the issue of Israel-Zionist involvement in 9-11.

no no, really. I think it was all done by accident by a man with a long beard, sitting in a cave on another continent  

ok, end sarcasm. As well as Lisa's excellent list summarising the 'up-front' points there is also a LOT of supporting circumstantial evidence, such as the 'Israeli Moving Companies' connection, and the 'Israeli Art Students' thing (all detailed in the SOTT archives), plus the bigger-scale picture of 'cosmic cointelpro' and the whole use of monotheism as a 'setup' - read 'Secret History' ;-)

Although at first, it is all rather difficult to take in, in fact the more you dig, the more appears, to the point where it becomes absolutely impossible to ignore. Which means anyone who does ignore it, especially in the alternative/media where they are presenting 'well researched' opinions, either hasn't done even nearly enough digging, or is deliberately 'cherry picking' to obscure the truth.

[Ben]

Don't forget Stranger Than Fiction, in the SoTT Editorials sections, which provides some historical context on the involvement of Zionism in false flag operations.

[Lisa Guliani]

Yes!  One example:  The Lavon Affair  (actually Israeli false flag op)

Lisa

[Laura]

    

CyberChrist wrote:

    To ME.. a government shill is someone towing the government line.  To me, that's people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Neal Boortz, and the rest of the talk radio cabal.  Not one of those names is on that list and I will wager you $10,000 that Rush Limbaugh would top that list in a heartbeat since I am pretty sure that the guy gets his talking points from the White House itself.

Well, excuse me for saying so but this opinion is just ignorant.

Did you ever hear of Machiavelli?

Allow me to educate you so that you will no longer struggle in darkness.  From Wikipedia:

    

Niccolae di dei Machiavelli (3 May 1469 - 21 June 1527) Florentine political philosopher, musician, poet, and romantic comedic playwright. Machiavelli was also a key figure in realist political theory, crucial to European statecraft Renaissance and early Protestant Reformation, which shaped the behavior of nations to one another up through today. Machiavelli was one of the first people to study objectively -- with what we might now call a scientific attitude -- politics and government as they are actually practiced. ...

    The best known work of Machiavelli is his political treatise Il Principe (The Prince). It was written in an attempt to return to politics as an advisor to Lorenzo di Piero de' Medici. It has been argued that The Prince is not representative of Machiavelli's beliefs, as his advocacy of tyranny seems to contradict his other writings. However, Machiavelli seems to have been in earnest when he argued the advantages of cruelty and fraudulence. Apparently, he was hoping that a strong ruler would emerge from the Medici family, uniting Italy by expelling the foreign occupiers. Since its publication, Il Principe has become a legendary handbook on how to become and remain a ruler.

    However, most experts agree that Machiavelli's intention was not to advocate one particular policy over another, but to objectively record the various discourses of politics. It would not be accurate to accuse him of advocating the wicked practices about which he wrote. There are places in his writings where he says, in effect, that if the ruler is to save the state in a particular sort of crisis, or retain his own position in power, then he must be prepared to act against this or that moral principle; but even in these passages he is, usually, only stating an unpalatable truth, at least in the political circumstance of his time and place, which was Renaissance Italy.

    Various political analysts prior to Machiavelli based their counsel on the assumption that for a ruler to succeed, he must be ethically sound; as if power was earned by integrity. Machiavelli's approach was much more pragmatic and sharply contrasted with the ideals preached by the Church. Although he does not completely exclude ethics, he minimizes their role in a prince's actions, because he believes that a prince has a unique role, and should therefore let his goals justify the means of achieving them. He introduced the theory that morally wrong actions are sometimes required to achieve morally right outcomes. Machiavelli gives the masses one identity, the subjects of a prince's authority. This entity must be controlled by the prince because they ultimately decide the fate of a prince.

    Machiavelli explains his view on a prince's morality: "How praiseworthy it is for a prince to keep his word and live with integrity rather than by craftiness, everyone understands; yet we see from recent experience that those princes have accomplished most who paid little heed to keeping their promises, but who knew how to manipulate the minds of men craftily. In the end, they won out over those who tried to act honestly" (47).

    Machiavelli's suggestions are based on numerous historical accounts of past events. His examples reinforce his assertions that a prince must be shrewd enough to seem to have purely good qualities; however, it is not necessary that he actually have all these qualities (Machiavelli 43).

    Because Machiavelli claims "it is a good general rule about men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, liars, and deceivers, fearful of danger and greedy for gain" (Machiavelli, 46), he feels very little moral obligation to the masses.

    This pessimistic view of the human race gives the entire book a bitter tone, which some scholars have even claimed satirical (Encyclopedia of Philosophy). Machiavelli's original opinions about the ethics of authority have laid the groundwork for much of modern political strategy.

Notice this last in particular.

Now, allow me to present to you (yet again) Protocol 12 which I already gave in this thread (did you read the whole thread?):

    

Protocol 12: Control of the Press

    1. The word "freedom," which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows -

    2. Freedom is the right to do what which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid program.

    3. We shall deal with the press in the following way: what is the part played by the press to-day? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or else it serves selfish ends of parties. It is often vapid, unjust, mendacious, and the majority of the public have not the slightest idea what ends the press really serves. We shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb: we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlets and books? ...

    For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy.... No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our government infallibility. The pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification.

    I BEG YOU TO NOTE THAT AMONG THOSE MAKING ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO BE ORGANS ESTABLISHED BY US, BUT THEY WILL ATTACK EXCLUSIVELY POINTS THAT WE HAVE PRE-DETERMINED TO ALTER. WE CONTROL THE PRESS

    4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.

    5. If already now we have contrived to possess ourselves of the minds of the GOY communities to such an extent that they all come near looking upon the events of the world through the colored glasses of those spectacles we are setting astride their noses; if already now there is not a single State where there exist for us any barriers to admittance into what GOY stupidity calls State secrets: what will our positions be then, when we shall be acknowledged supreme lords of the world in the person of our king of all the world ....

    6. Let us turn again to the FUTURE OF THE PRINTING PRESS. Every one desirous of being a publisher, librarian, or printer, will be obliged to provide himself with the diploma instituted therefore, which, in case of any fault, will be immediately impounded. With such measures THE INSTRUMENT OF THOUGHT WILL BECOME AN EDUCATIVE MEANS ON THE HANDS OF OUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THE MASS OF THE NATION TO BE LED ASTRAY IN BY-WAYS AND FANTASIES ABOUT THE BLESSINGS OF PROGRESS. Is there any one of us who does not know that these phantom blessings are the direct roads to foolish imaginings which give birth to anarchical relations of men among themselves and towards authority, because progress, or rather the idea of progress, has introduced the conception of every kind of emancipation, but has failed to establish its limits .... All the so-called liberals are anarchists, if not in fact, at any rate in thought. Every one of them in hunting after phantoms of freedom, and falling exclusively into license, that is, into the anarchy of protest for the sake of protest.... FREE PRESS DESTROYED

    7. We turn to the periodical press. ... if there should be any found who are desirous of writing against us, they will not find any person eager to print their productions. Before accepting any production for publication in print, the publisher or printer will have to apply to the authorities for permission to do so. Thus we shall know beforehand of all tricks preparing against us and shall nullify them by getting ahead with explanations on the subject treated of.

    8. Literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. This will neutralize the injurious influence of the privately-owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind .... If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportion. This, however, must in no wise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless.

    9. In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant. 10. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attack the tepid and indifferent.

    11. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.

    12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.

    13. In order to direct our newspaper militia in this sense we must take special and minute care in organizing this matter. Under the title of central department of the press we shall institute literary gatherings at which our agents will without attracting attention issue the orders and watchwords of the day. By discussing and controverting, but always superficially, without touching the essence of the matter, our organs will carry on a sham fight fusillade with the official newspapers solely for the purpose of giving occasion for us to express ourselves more fully than could well be done from the outset in official announcements, whenever, of course, that is to our advantage.

    14. THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED TO THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders. ONLY LIES PRINTED

    15. Methods of organization like these, imperceptible to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquillize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling our ground before stepping upon it .... WE SHALL HAVE A SURE TRIUMPH OVER OUR OPPONENTS SINCE THEY WILL NOT HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSITION ORGANS OF THE PRESS IN WHICH THEY CAN GIVE FULL AND FINAL EXPRESSION TO THEIR VIEWS owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press. We shall not even need to refute them except very superficially.

    16. Trial shots like these, fired by us in the third rank of our press, in case of need, will be energetically refuted by us in our semi-official organs.

    17. Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal masonic solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their numbers will give away the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make announcement of them. Not one journalist will venture to betray this secret, for not one of them is ever admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other .... These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few the prestige of the journalist attacks the majority of the country - the mob follow after him with enthusiasm.

    18. Our calculations are especially extended to the provinces. It is indispensable for us to inflame there those hopes and impulses with which we could at any moment fall upon the capital, and we shall represent to the capitals that these expressions are the independent hopes and impulses of the provinces. Naturally, the source of them will be always one and the same - ours. WHAT WE NEED IS THAT, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE ARE IN THE PLENITUDE POWER, THE CAPITALS SHOULD FIND THEMSELVES STIFLED BY THE PROVINCIAL OPINION OF THE NATIONS, I.E., OF A MAJORITY ARRANGED BY OUR AGENTUR. What we need is that at the psychological moment the capitals should not be in a position to discuss an accomplished fact for the simple reason, if for no other, that it has been accepted by the public opinion of a majority in the provinces.

    19. WHEN WE ARE IN THE PERIOD OF THE NEW REGIME TRANSITIONAL TO THAT OF OUR ASSUMPTION OF FULL SOVEREIGNTY WE MUST NOT ADMIT ANY REVELATION BY THE PRESS OF ANY FORM OF PUBLIC DISHONESTY; IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE NEW REGIME SHOULD BE THOUGHT TO HAVE SO PERFECTLY CONTENDED EVERYBODY THAT EVEN CRIMINALITY HAS DISAPPEARED ... Cases of the manifestation of criminality should remain known only to their victims and to chance witnesses - no more.

So again, if you think that a "government shill" is just somebody toeing the party line, better wake up fast.  They've got all the bases covered.

[Guest]

Please, people like CyberChrist and redwraith33, read the above post clearly and think about it. Try to refrain from posting until you have pondered its implications a bit.

You see redwraith33, and others with similar views, the scratching is not hard. What is difficult for people to understand is that this forum MAINTAINS HIGH STANDARDS OF THINKING AND DISCOURSE. And really really look at this: you find it hard to believe that it does because your very ideal of high standards has been conditioned by information that is not on the level.

What this forum does is maintain a perspective that counters all convention. And from this perspective you can see that convention is mostly based on programming. When all of you who feel attacked express that you do, you fail to observe where YOU are coming from.

You are coming from a defensive position at the onset. Instead of considering that there may be a PERSPECTIVE that changes how you see the world, you off the bat start making assumptions about the nature of this forum and the motives of its members and organizers. And you refuse to see that what you are doing is making assumptions, and that from the tried and true perspective of this forum those assumptions are WRONG.

Luckily, all that is communicated stays on the record (unlike other forums). So you can go and read how you entered the forum, and notice the assumptions you made, and how you arbitrarily negate that there can exist a perspective that allows a person to see deeper that superficial layers.

To forum members this shows that you do not want to SEE from their perspective, which addresses the true nature of disinformation: IT IS DESIGNED TO FOOL! And the definition of being fooled is that you believe in the deception. So think on this: from the hard-earned perspective of members of this forum, you are adamantly supporting a deception. And the tricky thing is that when we are hoodwinked, we fight tooth and nail to support deception, because everything in disagreement with it is taken to be the lie.

That is what decievers do: THEY TURN REALITY INSIDE-OUT.

Before you come out and say that it is the members of this forum who can just as easily be decieved, consider that everyone here has started out in believing the lie in one way or another, and from there has arrived at another prespective where the true lie is right there, plain as day. The stinking elephant is rotting in the living room, as they say.

And consider that deceivers are EXPERTS in what they do. Real real experts, meaning it takes a lot to turn this tide around. If you still have doubts look at the results: before 9-11 there were protests, and anti-NWO marches anytime the big 8 convened to set policies. After 9-11 people in the US were in shock.

That shock has mostly worn off, but why haven't they bounced back? Where are those that were concerned before? Something has REALLY changed, not in just the tactics of the PTB, but in the attitude of the people. And I don't mean the masses, but those that are accessing information and wanting something done.

Don't tell me this was always the case, or that all of the sudden people showed their "true colors". LOOK at the situation: People agree that things are seriously not right. BUT HOW MANY ARE IN ANY FRAME OF MIND TO EVEN THINK THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE?

People that would have been activists have become passive audiences, enthralled by stories of what happens to anyone who tries to go against the "police state". These stories are spread by those you defend. And when solutions are presented, they are promptings toward "classic historic response", i.e. violent insurrection.

Now LOOK: people are made frightened so they cannot think clearly, and then nudged toward insurrection, but in subtle ways. They are NOT being informed, but harassed in the name of being informed. The only insurrection that can occur is one where force of numbers completely disempowers the PTB. Remember: the system is run and maintained by the citizens. The PTB just give the orders.

And citizens, even the police and military, have families and want to protect loved ones. And in all of this, NOBODY likes to be fooled. So much so that they will fight tooth and claw before they admit to being fooled. The PTB use this to their advantage.

So take a step back all you jumpers upon conclusions, and see that what forum members are doing is urging you to make an EFFORT to look at things as they see them. NOT to blindly believe, but to understand. And you will not understand if you keep defending that which is not on the level. And you need to understand, among other things, that many of us are WAY past the stage of doubt regarding the sincerity of some alleged "warriors" of truth.

Instead of being upset by that with knee jerk reactions and bruised egos, (which would be FAR more bruised if you challenged any of the "big dudes of alternative news), why not ask: WHY ARE THESE FORUM PEOPLE THINKING THIS WAY? Maybe there is something to it.

And pay attention to this: IF YOU CANNOT SUSPEND BELIEF YOU ARE BRAINWASHED.

[dhess31]

Is there something wrong with me giving my opinion around here?  So you guys think Jones is a shill?  To that I frankly also say your words:  "SO WHAT??"

And this folks, right here, says it all I think.

It looks like Cyber isn't interested in facts; only his emotional attachment to AJ.

Why would one NOT care if they are lied to?

Don

[Lisa Guliani]

CyberChrist,
I would be interested in taking a look at your blog, since you brought it up.
URL please.

thank you,

Lisa

[Lisa Guliani]

Hey CyberChrist!

Hahahaha, I've got your number, darlin'.

Let's see...for starters, the numerous links to the same people WING has exposed like:
                                                     RENSE & GCN

In response to the posting of my GCN/ABC Affiliate article, YOU posted Rense hitpieces in response on Liberty forum, which are cached on Google...:-)
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Y3NRMc47Uh8J:www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php%3FCat%3D%26Board%3Dnews_news%26Number%3D293672292+cyberchrist+-+lisa+guliani&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
One was authored by "anonymous" and is so off-base and out of context, it still makes me chuckle.

The other was authored by "Alistair Wiggins", a dubious unknown name and someone who couldn't be located.
some Rense groupie named "Kirwan" also wrote baseless, twisted hitpieces which Rense posted but then refused to post subsequent rebuttals to on his website, in particular, a rebuttal piece written by Michael Langston.
Rather than comment on the specific points raised in my article, you immediately posted Rense's GCN damage control smear pieces, which we refuted and discredited a long time ago, because they are nothing but attack pieces penned to counter the questions and issues we were raising about GCN, Alex Jones and Rense at the time.
The biggest irony is that this same article (GCN/ABC Affiliate) is the very one that triggered the attacks on me by the Revere Radio thugs who are aligned with the Austin Mafia (Jack Blood-Alex Jones crew)  - the same morons who have been sexually harassing, threatening and defaming me for over a year now.  

Isn't that interesting?  I think so...:-)

And guess what else?

I've found multiple links between YOU and the same bozos on google, like your posts back and forth with Jack Blood/Revere Radio numbnut "Sweejak", for example.  

You've chatted back and forth with at least a few of the psycho-pervert attack dogs for a while, haven't you?
PLUS, you've also been busy pushing other disinfo artists like Tom Flocco (who has been thoroughly discredited and is now a standing joke in the alternative media)  & Rumor Mill News, Rense's darling, also a disinfo site.
I bet if I looked further, google would cough up quite a bit more, but my curiosity has essentially been satiated at this point.

Look who you  defend or promote:

 Rense? -  a compulsive liar.  WING has exposed Rense.

Rumor Mill news? - Rense crony - you have used Rumor Mill backwash b.s. as confirmation of the Tom Flocco Chicago Subway Shooting fairytale.  

Tom Flocco? - another liar.  WING has exposed Flocco.

GCN?  WING has exposed GCN.

Alex Jones? - WING has exposed Alex Jones.

Even more amusing is that this GCN/ABC Affiliate article which started the sexual harassment and continued threats by the attack doggies is the one at the core of this week's SIGNS podcast.  Cool, huh?

hahahahahaha....well, now everybody can see a clear reason why CyberChrist has a little "problem" with the WING TV viewer poll and WING TV.

I was right to smell something funny about you.
I guess the little shark comment wasn't so off the mark, eh?

You learn something new every damn day...:-)

Lisa

[Laura]

Yes indeedy, it does look like the boy has been a busy beaver.

[The Gardener]

... talk to me like a man...

http://www.hackerjournal.com/
The guy hacks Xbox!

[Lisa Guliani]

Yup, also http://www.hackerjournal.org.
Links to the right, a blog left and center...:-)

Lisa

[anart]

It's also important to remember that the culprits are Zionist, the Israeli hardline government and their associated Straussian NeoCon brethren here in the states -  NOT the ordinary Jewish people, who, according to all available data may very well be being set up to be destroyed in all this.  Try to keep that line clear, since it's not the Jewish people that are the problem.

[CyberChrist]

Isn't it funny that you guys get to respond to me but when I sit here and respond to you, my posts get deleted?  I had a HUGE reply to hkoehli, but of course that must have struck some nerve with someone, so now you have to build yet another strawman and attack it, namely me.  Good going.  

Laura, it's interesting that you keep posting the same list about "Control of the Press" and yet you are the ones deleting posts.  It's a Freeper Neocon tactic and I have seen it all too often.

In fact, Ryan goes and replies to my reply.  Of course, the post that he replied to is now gone.  How interesting.

This is my last post here.  I will tell you this:  Your rabid idiocy about who is a shill and who is not a shill hurts any Truth movement out there.  In fact, you drive more people to the very bosom of the people that you claim to be outing just because of your illogic.

I bid you all a fond farewell and may your efforts bear all of the fruits that you richly deserve.

And Lisa, I frankly would give you a reply, but this is not the place that I feel comfortable posting my thoughts anymore.  It is an utter and complete waste of my time.  If you are interesting in talking to me, go ahead and talk to me at hackerjournal.org.  You can go through those posts of mine and tell me what you think.  I was really open to the idea that perhaps I had been pushing the wrong ideas around to people, especially with the problems that I have had with AJ over the past couple of months, but dealing with the censorship and the haughty air of "we know better" doesn't lead me to believe that you are any better than they are.  You, my friend, do as much damage to the Truth movement by driving people away, that they do.

In fact, look for a link to WING-TV later today.  And yes, I will be writing about my experience here over the last few days.  Keep in touch.

Oh, and I guess this is Ark's cue to ban me.