Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program
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Buddy
The Living Force
truth seeker said:
Well, it started back in March when I was referred back to the Wave portion concerning our being addicts in our own skin. After restudying these concepts, I started bouncing around between systems theory, anthropology and communication/language. The path was mainly through general semantics, symbolic logic, double-bind theory (where I ran into some anthropology through Gregory Bateson's marriage to Margaret Mead, schizophrenia and R.D.Laing's work in "Knots", "Symbolic Modelling and Clean Language" Therapy and a few other areas while also continuing with EE and recapitulation and trying to keep up with my school work.
I knew that all this was/is somehow related, then I started finding more research that's been done in psychiatry/psychology with regard to a more systems approach to understanding physical/psychological trauma and how it's related to our everyday lives...including the common narcissistic manipulations and why they're not seen for what they are.
There seem to be some studies in anthropology that paint a misleading picture of some cultures - especially those investigated in the 50's and 60's. Many cultures apparantly routinely experience, on a cyclic basis, severe ego disintegration or some kind of splitting where they often just start running amok--a dissociative state where people just suddenly kill people in wild, uncontrolled killing sprees, as often occurs in the otherwise calm and 'friendly' Balinese.1
The neurobiological effects of trauma and neglect (prenatally and during childhood) and the compulsion to restage early traumatic violence2 and inflict it upon others and one's self are becoming fairly well understood. In other words, there's reason to believe that as memories of early traumas threaten to surface, people switch into alters and restage their anger, guilt and punishment either as the victim or perpetrator, or both (as self-destructive perpertrator).
1 Luh Ketut Suryani and Godon D. Jensen, Trance and Possession in Bali: A Window on Western Multiple Personality, Possession Disorder and Suicide. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1993, p. 44.
_http://web.rollins.edu/~hedge/Cases%20Of%20Trance%20Possession%20in%20Bali%20IJP.pdf
2 For an overview on restaging, here's a paper on The Compulsion to Repeat the Trauma from the Circumcision Reference Library:
_http://justice4mothers.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/article_thecompulsiontorepeattrauma_vanderkolk.pdf
There are a lot of hidden horrors in the psyche of individuals and groups, tribes and cultures throughout history. In fact, 'civil' childrearing seems to be a relatively recent development in historical terms. I had to take a break at one point and let some stuff connect, and when it started coming together, my visual representation was like an ocean of unconsciousness that everyone was connected to. Instead of water, the undulating mass was a rise and fall of destructive war god/goddesses, split off alter personality trauma containers, and Cosmic Mind knows what else. The rise and fall of the waves being controlled magnetically from overt and covert symbols of language and objects familiar to a particular individual or group that appear and disappear in all the various media that we're exposed to. How far the waves rise depend on how close the symbols match the corresponding trauma lying just below the surface or how well the limbic system recognizes the symbol.
This in not just a cultural or historical metaphor. The dynamics appear to apply to individuals as well, and psychopaths are just part of the problem, thus the need to take advantage of the trend towards civil childrearing and establish the total social acceptability and practice of neonatal child and mother care, maternal assistance and just a whole host of practices that eliminate any 'need' to traumatize women and children for any reason. The males too, of course, but more importantly and first: the women, mothers and children.
Well, that's longer than I planned to write, but that's what I've been thinking lately and I hope that answers your question.
Perhaps an interesting observation:
When I don't listen to the Prayer of the Soul before sleeping, I've noticed that I don't sleep that well. I sometimes like wake up in the middle of the night etc.
But, when I do listen to the POTS, I feel like I've slept really well. I also fall asleep much easier. Also noticed I could wake up easier (in the morning).
So last night that was kind of my motivation to do the meditation
When I don't listen to the Prayer of the Soul before sleeping, I've noticed that I don't sleep that well. I sometimes like wake up in the middle of the night etc.
But, when I do listen to the POTS, I feel like I've slept really well. I also fall asleep much easier. Also noticed I could wake up easier (in the morning).
So last night that was kind of my motivation to do the meditation
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forge
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Wow! Finally a faint silvery point-light source appeared [amidst the usual rolling silver-sea and purple starmaps], like a moon behind some clouds during Prayer of the Soul while listening to Laura's voice and i tried to hold the light in focus. Very calming experience, felt like a real mother is holding me in her arms all the time. :-o
ignis.intimus
Jedi Council Member
truth seeker said:
I used around 2 - 3 cups of water.
Aaron said:
Very interesting Aaron. There seems to be a yoga exercice for every pain our body is feeling, and that may help a lot here. Now that you mention that I remember that one of the best weapon against stomach cramps was to just move the abdomen with any physical exercise it came in mind, only that it didn't last for long. This one with the breathing tip comes in very handy along with the EE program and the fact that probably I've got a very weak diaphragm muscle to deal with at this stage, so let's doing the gymn! If you have more please share :)
Don't know about this tincture, by now I'm using the deglycyrrhizinated licorice extract. It has effect with stomach acidity, but sometimes a 'stomach pain' could be something else. Perhaps moving the stomach area with breathing or any other mean can be one more solution to the problem.
Mmm.. I usually go for a chiropractor like every 6-8 months, last time was for the neck and right hand, next time would be for any stomach tensions if I don't fix it with all that ;)
Elizabeth said:
After breathing/meditation, my dreams tend to be more coherent too. Perhaps not always, but at least in a number of occasions, quite distinctively. For example, about a week ago, I kept dreaming all night about being in China. I was a foreigner (or perhaps Chinese myself, not entirely sure), trying to get out of communist China, but the guards kept looking at my documents and papers and would not let me leave. I had Chinese friends that were part of some sort of 'underground network' and I was trying to help them. One of them was an old wise peasant man - kind of like a Chinese Don Juan - who appeared to be my mentor. There were two women also, and I helped one of them to find her husband, who had disappeared. I woke from this dream in the middle of the night, wondered what it was about, and when I fell asleep again I was back in the same storyline.
Then, a couple of days later I was reading a section of a book that summarized global political events of the late twentieth century, and it briefly mentioned the Tiananmen massacre. When I read it I left out a sob and a tear in a brief moment of spontaneous 'crying', but it lasted only a second as I shook my head and wondered why that had made me so sensitive.
Of course I was tempted to think of the whole China connection as a possible past/alternate life, but someone made the observation to me that if it had anything of real, it could also be an instance of connecting to universal psychic information - the collective unconscious perhaps - and as so it could be someone else's life I was dreaming about, not even mine.
But the theme of being chased by pathocrats and trying to protect people (mostly protect female figures) kept reappearing in the following days. In one dream, the threat was a communist guerrilla taking over a town. They grabbed me and tried to break my knee! I was mostly worried that my friends managed to get away. In another, it was a gang of bandits. Then again, when I was younger I had a period of recurrent dreams of being chased by Nazis, so perhaps it is more a general concern for the effects of pathocracy on humanity than 'life times' of my own.
A somewhat similar feedback report to last week, the differences that have arisen are – 1 – for a couple of days after doing the Monday session, a feeling of pain at the top of my shoulder at the junction with the neck, mostly on the right-hand side, occasionally on the left, accompanied by a mild, sinus like, headache.
And, paraphrasing Lise Bourbeau in Your boy is telling you: Love yourself! The neck is metaphysically joining the spiritual world to the material world, being in a situation that you feel you can’t control as you wish- something that is completely within your control. Again, that says it all, as above.
And 2 – from advice given by Laura on another thread, I’m suspending doing the full sessions for a while, just concentrating on the three-stage breathing, and the meditation at bedtime.
Well, that says it all, my stubbornness in holding on to repressed and dissociated emotions, the letting go of which will allow me to re-crystallize! There is obviously a powerful programme in there holding securely on, yet needing releasing.Louise Hay in You Can Heal Your Life said:
And, paraphrasing Lise Bourbeau in Your boy is telling you: Love yourself! The neck is metaphysically joining the spiritual world to the material world, being in a situation that you feel you can’t control as you wish- something that is completely within your control. Again, that says it all, as above.
And 2 – from advice given by Laura on another thread, I’m suspending doing the full sessions for a while, just concentrating on the three-stage breathing, and the meditation at bedtime.
truth seeker
The Living Force
Buddy - Thanks so much, yes that clarified it.
I'm having similar problems regarding the neck and shoulder. It was interesting hearing about being stubborn - I'll see what I can do about that. I was wondering if the book states specific problems relating to the left and right sides? Thanks so much for posting that!
Trevrizent said:
I'm having similar problems regarding the neck and shoulder. It was interesting hearing about being stubborn - I'll see what I can do about that. I was wondering if the book states specific problems relating to the left and right sides? Thanks so much for posting that!
broken.english
Dagobah Resident
Puck said:
Just a few days later I had a similar dream experience. It was a series of dream episodes in one night. The episodes themselves were not spectacular, just some scenes from everyday life. What made it so much different from other dreams is that
- I seemed to wake up between the episodes (probably I did not) and could feel the fabrics of my bed around me, just as when I am awake. Then, whoosh, I was gone for the next round. This repeated about ten times.
- Other than normal the dream episodes where of overwhelming physical reality. It was like traveling parallel worlds. All felt like solid physical reality in a slightly altered environment than the one I am familiar with. In each one I felt/thought, that this is my world. But then, in a millisecond, I was back in my bed and a few moments later I found myself in the next reality.
Reminds me of someones remark that reality ain't what it used to be.
agni
Dagobah Resident
Trevrizent said:
I have same symptoms right shoulder/neck after Monday EE session. Now seem to be catching cold.
Not letting go of emotions & stale things , refusing to see the whole picture is a major battleground for me right now. I literally feel choking by my emotions in my throat. It's like swallowing some sort of invisible ball. I know I have to break old crystallization, otherwise I am not going to move anywhere. It feels as a viscious circle I am not able to break through no matter how I try. When I think I got it - BOOM ! No deal ! But Rome wasn't built in a day either :)
One thing that I found helpful to relief neck/shoulder pain in past days is sleeping on a floor, helped a lot.
truth seeker
The Living Force
Trevrizent said:
Absolutely! And so did your post in the swamp by the way. As I was reading, Much of the pain/pressure on both sides, but primarily the left was alleviated.
shijing
The Living Force
truth seeker said:
FWIW, I have had neck problems on the right side for the past week as well -- it is higher than the connection to my shoulder, right in the middle of my neck, and I think I can feel a knot in my muscle there. I've been kind of busy the last couple of days and didn't read this discussion until now, but it is very fortuitous, both about the location of the pain and the side its on. Thanks for posting that info, Trevrizent!
Tigersoap
The Living Force
I haven't reported in a while about the EE.
There isn't much to report on the surface, things seems to have stalled and I still zone out very fast during the prayer, it might be due that I always do it at night before going to bed so being tired from the day surely helps :)
I have been pretty sick with the flu for a long while and struck with a painfull sinusitis, which might have been food related.
Despite that, I think, and I may be wrong, that I am slowly seeing more of my own subconscious processes and get glimpses on how my past affects me.
It allows me to open up more not only to myself but to others, which is quite incredible for me as I've always been somewhat defensive about everything and everyone. It's not over and I still have many programs but I can surely see how the EE helps me to let go, even if I sometimes fight hard no to, and suffer a lot trying to salvage what I thought I was.
Well that's how it seems to me ;)
There isn't much to report on the surface, things seems to have stalled and I still zone out very fast during the prayer, it might be due that I always do it at night before going to bed so being tired from the day surely helps :)
I have been pretty sick with the flu for a long while and struck with a painfull sinusitis, which might have been food related.
Despite that, I think, and I may be wrong, that I am slowly seeing more of my own subconscious processes and get glimpses on how my past affects me.
It allows me to open up more not only to myself but to others, which is quite incredible for me as I've always been somewhat defensive about everything and everyone. It's not over and I still have many programs but I can surely see how the EE helps me to let go, even if I sometimes fight hard no to, and suffer a lot trying to salvage what I thought I was.
Well that's how it seems to me ;)
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