Watch LCROSS hit the moon Friday, October 9th

daveOS

daveOS

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http://www.sott.net/articles/show/194305-Watch-LCROSS-hit-the-moon-Friday-October-9th
"We're not 100% sure what will happen, and big surprises are possible." Indeed. I've borrowed an 8" Dobsonian with the hopes of clear skies in the PNW for observing the "Expanding OH Exosphere"
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/observation.htm

And this morning I caught Guy Laliberte (Cirque de Soleil lead clown) on NASA TV amidst the current shuttle crew being interviewed by world news networks and it brought to my attention that he paid $35 million to have a front row seat to the October 9 event to promote his whole One Drop foundation. It looks like his site now has an October 9th promo vid calling to attention he’s got Al Gore, U2, Shakira and others somehow on hand for “The Stars Aligning on Earth” to support water for everybody!
http://www.onedrop.org/en/
 
Thanks for the reminder on this Dave. I have an acquaintance who was affiliated with this project and when I asked her about the logic of slamming someting into the moon to check for water when we can measure the chemical compositions of other planets/atmospheres/moons from such distances she chuckled and said, "yeah, toddlers with toys". She also said that the people who run the piece of equipment with the sensors on it were really strongly against this aspect of the project because their sensors are so incredibly fine and delicate that this sort of ejecta could basically destroy the sensors themselves - so there was/is quite a bit of conflict about it.

It will be interesting to see what happens - and what information actually reaches the public about it.
 
Right Anart! The radiographic verification of water on the Moon has been recently accomplished by both India’s Chandrayann-1 and Japan’s Kaguya spacecrafts to the degree NASA says these surveys compelled them to shift the target crater for the LCROSS impact from Cabeus A1 to Cabeus. So there are a lot of hanging questions as to why and how this moon crash is supposed to happen on Friday.

That’s an interesting point about how the ejecta cloud stands to destroy the sensors on the shepherding spacecraft and it highlights further absurdity to the brute force method being employed. NASA says the shock and awe of it all is necessary for detecting the density of water available, but it seems apparent with the change in target crater that they have a clear sense of regional densities and that volume of water is a more primary goal.

With the overall goal of colonizing space justifying the mission I find myself more intrigued by hints NASA drops about how the mission stands to actually evolve the lunar exosphere.
Even the impact of LCROSS itself, and the formation and evolution of the ejecta cloud and a possible lunar “exosphere,” (an atmosphere that has no air) will tell us more about impact cratering, one of the most dominant physical processes at work in shaping the planets and moons of the entire solar system and galaxies beyond.
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http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/faq.htm#q6
 
Just guessing here but it could be like sending a "smoke signal" to something out there. :huh:
 
Well, getting in touch with "something" out there is certainly the theme of the "Water on the Moon" song written by LCROSS Deputy Project Manager John Marmie! Performed by John Marmie and Jeff Petro. NASA has posted the song as both an MP3 download and as the background music for the animated video of the happening.
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm

The video provides subtitles of the lyrics which I've noted here for convenience (evidently they recognize the event on par with realizations achieved by Galileo, it's a step toward standing on Mars, and it's time disembrace).

"Water On The Moon"
Stars shine deep in our galaxy.
Will we see them face to face?
I don’t know what lies tomorrow
Curiosity will lead the way.

(chorus)
I wanna go faster, faster
Hands in the air
We’re gonna crash
Searchin’ for the answers like Galileo through his looking glass
Thirst for reason
A dreamer’s eyes we gaze into
A sense of purpose known by few
Like finding water on the moon.

If Galileo had his way,
I’m sure he’d dance upon the stars
What a wondrous sense of destiny
To be the first to set foot on Mars.

(chorus)

Round and round the earth, the moon we race
One look back, we say good-bye
It’s time to disembrace
Followed into darkness by such sacrifice.
We’re on our way,
We’re on our way. Hey!

(chorus)
 
_http://www.rense.com/general86/moonbomb.htm
About bombing the Moon I have question is there any possible danger to Earth?


Disturbing the Moon's orbit may cause tidal waves and quite possibly Earthquakes in many zones around the Earth where edges of tectonic plates are already at or near the breaking point of sliding. The stress caused by a sudden shift in the Moon's gravitational pull could be a serious catastrophe. Who knows what it might do to the Yellowstonesuper-volcano which is already heating up and has made larger areas of Yellowstone park unusable.
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Any ideas?


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The bomb characterization is severely in question. NASA makes no mention of any explosive devices, rather they emphasize an empty vessel dead weight crash duplicating that of a meteor or comet strike which they cite as common event for the moon. At twice the speed of the bullet the empty retired Centaur rocket will have the result of 1.5 tons of TNT and displace 772,000 pounds of dirt.

While the PR specs are neat and tidy, NASA has left room for wild speculation (even encouraging it to a degree) while emphasizing it as an historical event and lining up a few mainstream media marionettes to woo the crowd. So that there’s more in store seems evident, and the mission specs map out measuring the results over days.

Personally I’ve come to suspect it could be a spellbinding event. Perhaps the Moon will start turning a new hue mesmerizing the masses at the implications and prospects inducing further yielding to the march of the humanoids. In the headline graphic on this page they clearly call out "Exosphere T+ hours/days"
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm

Another tell for me is the discrepancy in stats on the resulting impact plume. The commonly cited impact plume height is 6Km. This NASA page provides that.
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/observation/amateur.htm

But on this page - NASA demonstrates expert misinformation prowess, however - they cite
The plume will reach nearly 50 km high (over 30 miles)!
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http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/impact.htm

And the earth’s atmosphere is apparently around 42 miles in height?
 
This is an event that DOES appears unusual. It just makes me smile. All the theories about bombing a moon base, the hollow moon and such... I am VERY interested in seeing what happens, WHATEVER that is. Lot's of hub-bub, jabber-jawing, and sheer speculations. I just wanna SEE what happens. If the moon explodes, I just hope I can watch it come at me in my lawn chair and not take me by surprise... What happens is not important, it's how one reacts...
 
One also wonders just how far out the ejecta will disperse, since
it is probably something that cannot be definitively "pinned" down
in spite of the "calculations"?

"Rain" on Earth? "One big shew"?
 
Or maybe they will use this ejecta story to explain some unexplained meteor showers in the near future? "Did you see fire balls? They come from the moon, don't worry"
 
One of the Austrian newspaper headlines read today: "NASA bombarding the moon: The war for WATER". The violent language ignored for a moment, the message could be about water in space. If water is found on the moon tomorrow and this communicated to the masses in big style, then there probably will officially be water on Mars too. (there actually is (see SOTT article)) And when everyone knows that there is water on Mars, what follows next?
 
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One also wonders just how far out the ejecta will disperse,
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I was just reading this article on the SOTT about how Saturn has picked up a new ring. It made me wonder about how the ejecta from our moon bombardment tomorrow, will arrange itself in the environment.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/194362-New-ring-detected-around-Saturn

"...Scientists tell the journal Nature that the tenuous ring is probably made up of debris kicked off Saturn's moon Phoebe by small impacts...."

"...it is also tilted at an angle of 27 degrees to the plane on which the more traditional rings sit.

This in itself strongly links the ring's origin to [Saturn's moon] Phoebe, which also takes a highly inclined path around Saturn.
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So I find myself wondering; Will there be enough ejecta to form even a faint or partial ring around the earth? And would such a ring follow the trajectory of our moon's orbit? Would such a ring also depend on just how far out the ejecta goes from the moon's surface???

My other thought is that, HEY! The moon has been hit LOTS of times! (So has the Earth for that matter) and by much greater impacts. No rings yet. Or if there are, they are too faint to be noticed and/or we are too close to detect them? But could the fact that the moon does not have an atmosphere to capture the ejecta, change anything?

Justa wonderin' outloud.
 
Hi Lauranimal!

I thought about that too, but as the C's say: "Wait and see!"
So, sit back and enjoy the show, but be aware! :)
 
Have read LCROSS articles on this event and your posts and, yes, “Wait and See”.

Was thinking about the ditty that was posted and G’s “Food for the Moon” and stranger still while fooling around with the Anagram link http://www.anagramgenius.com/server.htmlhere, was the result as follows (hold on!!!);

'food for the moon'

anagrams to

'Roof of hot demon.'

:shock:
 
Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:35:47 PM GMT+0200

LCROSS impact into Cabeus.

That is on the NASA site,but WTF,the video sucks badly,I cant see nothing in the video.
Are they hiding something.
 
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