Hypnosis & third man - Source?

Which is the source for the "third man" story?
Coulnd't find it anywhere.

Laura Knight-Jadczyk said:

There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:

A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

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http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/mass_mind_control.htm

Thank you very much!

If memory does not fail me, the quoted passage is in "Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of Milton Erickson" Vol 1, written by Grinder, DeLozier and Bandler. I'll have to fetch the book from the basement to confirm that, though. The book bases on Erickson's work and cites several hypnosis sessions done by Erickson with patients and associates (A. Huxley).

The original seed of the story - which I paraphrased - was in Hugh Lynn Cayce's book "Venture Inward." That is noted in several places on the site. I made my own experiments in order to confirm it.

Remember, there is cassiopaea.com as well as cassiopaea.org . . . saying that, there does only appear to be one mention of "Venture Inward" and that is here: www.cassiopaea.com/archive/mostletters8.htm which was found through a Google site search.

Laura,
Thank you! Could you recreate the same phenomena?
It's quite creepy to know that any trained hypnotist can play that much on someone's mind.

Re: Hypnosis & third man - Source?

I found this piece somewhat hypnotic:

The theme from "the third man" by Anton Karas, on the zither, 1950.
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jN1treRKQ

Sixty five years old, what a great piece, and superbly played by its original author!

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MusicMan said:

I found this piece somewhat hypnotic:

The theme from "the third man" by Anton Karas, on the zither, 1950.
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jN1treRKQ

Sixty five years old, what a great piece, and superbly played by its original author!

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Yes! And fascinating to watch him play it!

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The third man theme.
I was reading http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/mostletters8.htm

To quote from the C's: "No man is an island."

Could we rephrase this to mean: "No, Man is an island."

Between the three men, or countries of the United Kingdom, we have England, Scotland, and Wales. Northern Ireland counts as England.

These three countries all surround the island known as "The Isle of Man".

from _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man#Symbols

"Symbols
A sculpture of the Manx triskelion as seen in front of Ronaldsway Airport terminal.(pictured)
For centuries, the island's symbol has been the so-called "three legs of Mann" (Manx: Tree
Cassyn Vannin), a triskelion of three legs conjoined at the thigh. The Manx triskelion, which
dates with certainty to the late 13th century, is of an uncertain origin. It has been
suggested that its origin lies in Sicily, an island which has been associated with
triskelions since ancient times.[79] Another possibility is that its origin lies with the
emblem of the 10th century Norse-Gaelic dynasty which ruled the island at the time.[80]

The symbol appears in the island's official flag and official coat of arms, as well as its
currency. The Manx triskelion may be reflected in the island's motto, Latin: Quocunque
jeceris stabit, which appears as part of the island's coat of arms. The Latin motto
translates into English as "whichever way you throw, it will stand"[80] or "whithersoever you throw it, it will stand".[1] It dates to the late 17th century when it is known to have
appeared on the island's coinage.[80] The original meaning of the motto, however, may have referred to the poor quality of coinage which was common at the time—as in "however it is tested it will pass".[81]

The ragwort or cushag is the Manx national flower.[82]"

Note that the triskelion could be a derivation from the swastika, with one leg removed.

What I was thinking about while looking at this was that this (island) may be where the grail is to be found. Or perhaps Sicily.
FWIW.

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A strange thing happened while I was researching Nicholas Poussin's paintings, in particular "The Shepherds of Arcadia".
Using my favourite search engine, I was browsing the images of the paintings, and in amongst them was one of PLATO, with his finger pointing up.
I ended up looking at Plato's 'Allegory of the Cave' at Wikipedia:

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

and it turns out he has a "Third Man Argument"

here:

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_man_argument

Shepherds of Arcadia and The Third Man both have threads in Cassiopaea, but here we see them somehow linked.

from Wikipedia:
"The third man argument (commonly referred to as TMA; Greek: t??t?? ?????p??), first offered by Plato in his dialogue Parmenides (132a–b), is a philosophical criticism of Plato's own theory of Forms. This argument was furthered by Aristotle (Metaphysics 990b17=1079a13, 1039a2; Sophistic Refutations 178b36 ff.) who used the example of a man (hence the name of the argument) to explain this objection to Plato's theory; he posits that if a man is a man because he partakes in the form of man, then a third form would be required to explain how man and the form of man are both man, and so on, ad infinitum."

Smarter brains than mine might understand that, but it might add a piece to the puzzle.
Hmmm.