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How did you feel when you read the heading on this post?

One of the most frustrating things I have experienced over the last while is the incredible amount of brainwashing regarding money. It seems that certain reactions to wealth have been programmed into the populace so effectively that the average "free thinking" person REFUSES to talk about money in any productive way.

Anti-greed and Anti-globalization has been perverted into Pro-poverty. The participants will vehemently deny this, but watch how they attack anybody who dares try to make a decent living doing good. "Oh, they're just in it for the MONEY."

Now we have "Deal Or No Deal". Have you seen this show? They hire actors who pretend to be contestants (they don't admit to it all being fake but it's obvious), and the message of the show is very clear: "Be desperate for money, and then squander it as quickly as possible!" The control implications are self-explanatory.

If we're to build a truly free society, we need to find healthy ways to talk about money and personal financial stability. Once a person feels financially unstable, they can be bought for what is, among the elite, a pittance. Think about how many people could be bought for $10,000 apeice by the ultra-elite in this world. Billions, easily. "Ending poverty" is a good approach, as long as you move the bar for what you consider to be "poverty" way, WAY lower.
 
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Now we have "Deal Or No Deal". Have you seen this show? They hire actors who pretend to be contestants (they don't admit to it all being fake but it's obvious), and the message of the show is very clear: "Be desperate for money, and then squander it as quickly as possible!" The control implications are self-explanatory.
Sorry if I'm going to take off and hijack this thread, but when you mentioned this show, I remembered seeing a commercial for another new show coming out which involved some programming for the masses, imho.

The premise was that people would be locked in these little rooms of isolation and tortured for a certain amount of time with audio and visual affects. There was some payoff but I can't think of it right now. Immediately I thought how this was getting people used to the idea of hearing about people being detained and treated like this in real life. And I was pretty disgusted that a) people would submit themselves to something like this, b) that anyone would green light such a project, and c) that anyone would want to watch such a repulsive show. I know that I am naive in thinking any or all of these things, but it really sickens me to see such barbaric practices being allowed to enter into the domain of popular culture. Really shows how we are being prepared for the submissive role.
 
Funny that you bring this up since I wrote a post about it just today for the QFG discussion group.

Keep in mind that the conditions of your life reflect who you are inside.

"You will see that in life you receive exactly what you give. Your life is the mirror of what you are. It is in your image. You are passive, blind, demanding. You take all, you accept all, without feeling any obligation. Your attitude toward the world and toward life is the attitude of one who has the right to make demands and to take, who has no need to pay or to earn. You believe that all things are your due, simply because it is you! All your blindness is there! None of this strikes your attention. And yet this is what keeps one world separate from another world."
Nearly everything that the average person thinks about money and prosperity is loaded with falsehood and hypocrisy. As Gurdjieff said:

"No, even if we needed no money at all it would still be necessary to keep this payment. It rids us at once of many useless people. Nothing shows up people so much as their attitude towards money. They are ready to waste as much as you like on their own personal fantasies but they have no valuation whatever of another person's labor. I must work for them and give them gratis everything that they vouchsafe to take from me. 'How is it possible to trade in knowledge? This ought to be free.' It is precisely for this reason that the demand for this payment is necessary. Some people will never pass this barrier. "
Keep in mind that money represents energy. Casssiopaens have said:

A: It should be noted that the STS system can only be penetrated by becoming "wise as serpents and gentle as doves." There is nothing negative about networking. Details of a network include the necessity for those who are involved to invest "energy" in the exchange. If the individual comes upon the life work of another and expects to benefit and gain by that work, they will naturally wish to have their own position balanced by putting forth a commensurate amount of energy. Otherwise there will be an imbalance of energy. This then leads to an STS pyramid. An example of this principle in reverse is a teacher who demands payment for no real work on their own part. The fact that both of you have devoted yourselves to this work for not just a short time, but literally your entire lives, and have not asked for the support that this intensive labor earns has, in effect, created an imbalance for those who are benefiting. Many of those who are experiencing blocks in their own lives would find those blockages dissolved by the action of opening the flow of energy in the exchange. In your world, money equals energy!!!
The fact is that the idea that "you cannot be spiritual and have money too" is part of the psychopathic control system incepted with the Christian church. It was useful for them because it kept the common people down and out and made them accept the yoke of church control. The psychopaths promote such ideas as:

"A person is closer to God with nothing."

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven."

"No honest man ever made a million dollars."

"Nothing GOOD ever comes easy."

"He's lousy with dough."

The implication is that God favors the poor and looks with disdain upon the wealthy.

And so, anybody who might have the spark of spirit is programmed to not ever be a threat to the control system.

The so-called Christian idea that there is something inherently dirty or wrong with having substance is contradicted in the parable of the loaves and fishes. Jesus was showing in a story that abundance is good and that when one has abundance, how much can be done for others.

One of the side-effects of the particular "money inhibition" program is the prevalent idea that a spiritual teacher should not have any money at all. (And notice I'm not talking about obscene riches, jets, helicopters, multiple houses, but simply a comfortable life where the ability to work on behalf of the students is made possible.)

The fact is, to charge or ask for payment IN ANY OF ITS VARIED FORMS for an honest service is not only NOT evil, it is necessary in a network as the C's described above. If you block the flow of energy, it is blocked returning to you.

To NOT receive payment for work is a violation of Cosmic Law and NEGATES the service given.

The concept that money - i.e. ENERGY - is not "spiritual" exists to some degree in all of us because it has been deeply inculcated into us by this Western Christian psychopathic control program.

This unconscious attitude actually blocks us from success no matter how much we may consciously desire to have enough to pay our bills or have a life where we have enough for ourselves, our families, and to help others.

The conscious mind may know that money is needed but the unconscious mind holds firmly to the idea that money is basically evil. This creates the condition that even if money is made, the individual is unable to utilize it effectively.

George Bernard Shaw, in reaction to the obvious pseudo-Christian money ethic wrote: "Lack of money is the root of all evil."

Fact is, cliches - psychopathic paramoralisms - buffer us against the cold, hard facts of life. Belief in them actually perpetuates poverty in our consciousness and in our lives.

For example, if you believe that no honest man ever made a million dollars, your unconscious mind accepts that you must "become dishonest" in order to make money and that your "honesty" will keep money away from you.

If you believe that nothing good comes easy, your unconscious mind will cause you to work harder and longer than you should have to just to produce a modicum of convenience in your life.

If you believe someone is "lousy with dough" then your subconscious mind will demand that you must become "lousy" to get money, and of course, because you are good, you cannot have money.

The primary problem here is a failure to correctly identify the symbols of reality. The real value of money is not in the symbol - money - itself, but in that for which it stands: ENERGY.

We have to stop confusing the symbol with reality and, at the same time, stop confusing our present self-image - the false personality - with what we are in reality.

Most people do not even know what money really is. They think that it is ONLY material. They think it is ONLY the "acquisition of status symbols" such as a gigantic bank account or a lot of houses, cars, furs, jewels, prestige positions, jet set lifestyle and so forth.

Certainly, an individual who accumulates all those things has "symbolic wealth," but not real wealth which is a proper "flow of energy" into and out of their lives in a constantly increasing exchange with others. And we should note that the symbols can be lost or taken away at any moment but a person with the "inner wealth" will be easily able to replace them because they are not attached to the symbols but know what they stand for.

Most people are so conditioned by their upbringing that they think they are inadequate, unworthy and inferior so it becomes impossible for them to accept the fact that, proper use of energy will always and inevitably provide for them the external conditions that match their internal state.

Some people are so thorougly conditioned that they actually cannot stand the idea of prosperity or success. Their unconscious mind is so programmed to poverty living conditions, poverty habits, and poverty thinking that when there ARE opportunities to make money, to manifest their own creativity and energy, they always reject them or pass them by. When they get money, they compulsively spend it in ways that do not lead to any long term benefits for themselves or those they love. Anytime they have some kind of success, they compulsively undo it. Some people even get sick "on cue" so that they must spend all their money or lose a good job.

Many people seem to be actually afraid of money and success because their subconscious is so conditioned to being a "loser" that it actually hurts them to be a winner. It becomes uncomfortable to be comfortable.

This is a devastating form of self hypnosis which can rule and ruin a person's entire life by causing them to take the wrong job, marry the wrong person, live in the wrong area, act in the wrong way, have the wrong friends, for their WHOLE LIFE.

Certainly it is true that an academic education can be totally unnecessary and most often it stifles creativity, but there are also situations where this can be used as a stepping stone, a platform for other things and energy invested into it wisely can give a good return in terms of helping others.

For some two thousand years, Christianity has foisted upon mankind the fallacious and destructive belief that their memorized rote prayers to an anthropomorphic God will bring them rewars and salvation in the "world to come." The truth is: Christian praying and beliefs have caused more poverty, more ill health, and more unhappiness than any other single factor in our Western civilization.

The same is true for the whole New Age idea of "positive thinking" and "affirmations" and so on.

If you look at it carefully you will see that praying or affirming or working on "positive thinking" is a VIGOROUS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF PRESENT LACK OR EVIL and it will only cause more lack and unhappiness to come into your life.

Positive thinking, visualizing, affirming, and meditating can NEVER rid the unconscious mind of the rigid thought patters that keep people in lack and limitation. Sure, you might feel "euphoria" or a transitory "feeling of success," but it will never bring permanent results.

The more force or emphasis you give anything, good or bad, the more it will inevitably outpicutre in your life and experience. That is just simply how the unconscious mind works.

TRUE prayer is "thinking straight without prejudice or bias of any sort." Real prayer is objective thinking. PERIOD. As the C's say:

Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."
Now, consider this a long time: "Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God."

A person living in poverty is directly expressing their interaction with God/Cosmos.

Period.

You cannot be truly spiritual and poor at the same time. It's that simple.

An authentically spiritual person cannot experience lack of any kind. And I'm not just talking about someone who has been so hypnotized that they think a robe and a begging bowl is all there is to life, either.

The word "spiritual" is derived from the Latin root "spiritus" which means to be spirited, full of life, alive, animated, ENERGETIC.

A truly spiritual person is RICH in every sense. He thinks rich thoughts, he has rich feelings, rich sensations, rich emotions, rich relationships of every kind. His entire attitude emanates wealth of ENERGY.

The truly spiritual person lives RICHLY in everything he does.

And don't misunderstand and think I'm talking about obscene amounts of money piled up in a bank, rolls royces or private jets here.

What I DO mean is having the means to meet ones needs - ESPECIALLY those needs that relate to being able to pass the energy through one's life to others, to be of service, to be a "good and well-paid workman" for the Cosmos.

The truly spiritual person is a person of plenty... a competent "debugger of the universe".

Look around you and consider the tremendous, unending creativity of Nature: flowers, trees, grass, plants, forests, animals, people, rain, sun, moon, planets, stars, galaxies.

Nature is infinitely and endlessly prolific. It is the involuntary and effortless nature of Nature to constantly and abundantly create and give of itself to ALL. This activity never stops for an instant. From a single acorn grows a majestic oak, from a single cell comes the complex and fantastic human body.

This is Nature at work.

CREATIVE work.

WORK.

Behind the visible Nature is the invisible nature of spirit guidng, prodding, compelling Nature to express itself in myriad designs, forms and patterns.

This is CONSCIOUSNESS. INTELLIGENCE. KNOWLEDGE.

Perceiving the world this way makes all of Life one creative encounter after another. No other vision is valid. No other experience is authentic.

Life is Universal Creativity at work everywhere at the same time. The Universe constantly reproduces itself, a new self, over and over again.

There is Invisible intelligence everywhere in the Universe that knows how to make every living thing. It possesses the power - the ENERGY - and the KNOWLEDGE to impress in Nature the living forms of all things.

Nature is infinitely creative and prolific because SUBSTANCE is everywhere. There is nowhere it is not. Substance is universal also. The Universe is opulent and affluent. Infinitely perfect substance is eternally available.

The source of all supply is the same principle that creates the Universe - consciousness, intelligence, knowledge.

The true nature of the spiritual being is the same nature as that of the Universe - infinite creativity and everlasting substance.

All there is is lessons. This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist. Even inanimate matter learns it is all an "Illusion." Each individual possesses all of creation within their minds. Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if know how. You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within. You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind represents all that exists. It is "fun" to see how much you can access. Challenges are fun. Where do you think the limit of your mind is?

Q: (L) Well, I guess there is no limit.

A: If there is no limit, then what is the difference between your own mind and everything else? .... And when two things each have absolutely no limits, they are precisely the same thing.
OPULENCE is the nature of the Universe and when you are spiritually aligned with the Creative principle the OPULENCE is YOUR nature as well.

And so, let's look at some things:

1) Know that money is, indeed, spiritual as is all that exists when perceived correctly. Remember that to be "spiritual" means to be alive, vigorous, energetic.

2) The real nature of money is to INCREASE. A child sees only part of the world, as an adult he sees more of it. So, too, will abundance in your life increase for you as you progressivly discover more of the infinite Universe in Truth which is aligned to the creative principle.

This means that as you shed your illusions, you will unlock your own creative potential in all areas of your life.

3) Know that your TRUE nature is "rich and affluent" just like Nature. The Universe itself is infinite and unending, and so are you.

By becoming your true self, your real, permanent "I", you will have the only real security and happiness available in the Universe. This will reflect in your outer life. Because certainly we know that the material expression - the symbols - are material and impermanent and constantly change in the flow of life.

4) Money is made of "mind stuff." The fact is that nothing exists external to you. Money consists of consciousness of energy and thus is part of you.

In the final analysis, Knowledge is acquired by the expenditure of energy. "Knowledge application generates energy, which, in turn, generates light."

Knowledge protects.

The more knowledge you have, the more you APPLY it, the more "richness" you will have in your life in ALL respects, including money.

Acquiring knowledge is like building a magnet inside you. It will attract people and circumstances to you that will literally change your life.

Regard everything in your life as an opportunity to be as creative as the Universe is.

And never forget that giving of yourself must be done as the Universe does it: completely and infinitely and without strings. To give of yourself is to receive.

If you are unable to recive without immediately offering something in return or becoming embarrassed, or you accept something from another without appreciation, you violate the law and it means that you do not know how to give.

At the same time, if you are constantly giving your work, time, money, or energies of any kind away without expecting and receiving proper payment (which doesn't always mean money), you are violating the law. That which you give therefore cannot and will not be appreciated by the recipient. To be ONLY able to give, is selfish and egocentric. When you understand that it is your true nature to share your life with all of Life, you will give intuitively to the right people at the right time.

Learn and practice the Law of "Tithing." Traditionally, this meant giving a percentage of one's income to something you believe in. But the fact is, it is not just ordinary giving; it is giving to the Universe with no strings attached, for the love of giving, as Nature does it. It is a giving that is done in demonstration of the inner knowledge that the Universe is infinite and opulent. It is aligning oneself with Nature by doing as Nature does. More than this, giving to the Universe creates a vacuum which immediately causes more substance to begin to flow toward you. If you worry about how your money will be used or if you will be paid back or if you will be praised, you are not giving as Nature gives, freely and opulently.

Never resent anyone else's success. Because others exist in your consciousness, any resentment of their success is self-resentment. Always be glad for the success of others because their success is your success.

Don't be afraid to experiment, gamble with ideas, test ideas and concepts, try new things, invent new products or services. Using the law of averages, if you try enough things, expose what you do to enough people, eventually you will succeed. Each time you fail in something, you learn what NOT to do and this means you are getting closer to having the KNOWLEDGE of what works. You can then apply this knowledge to generate "energy" in the form of money.

Live always in a state of pure possibility. "Impossible" is not an option.

Just start DOING things, experimenting with ideas. As Goethe said:

Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward; they may be beaten, but they may open a winning game.
Always equate yourself with the infinite. Constantly remind yourself that opulence is the nature of Nature.

And finally, remember this:

Money is of no value: it cannot spend itself. All depends upon the skill of the spender." (Emerson)
 
Good post.

Wrayer said:
If we're to build a truly free society, we need to find healthy ways to talk about money and personal financial stability. Once a person feels financially unstable, they can be bought for what is, among the elite, a pittance.
The majority being financially stable is key to the "going on strike" to bring the pathocrats down strategy. This density still requires a grounding and mastery of this endeavor (ethical personal financial prosperity) if we are truly serious about the here and now threat in third density and the implications of not being able to spread knowledge widely before the shift to 4D.
 
Yes. Yes. I've always said that wealth is more of a state of mind than how much money you have. Some people, you give them $2mil, and 6 months later, they're worse than broke. Read the stories about the typical lotto winner. Most of them are disasters. Most people do not have the mental infrastructure to manage large amounts of money. It requires a different sort of thinking and discipline. Some people you give them $.50, and 6 months later they've got $500,000.

Most of us fall somewhere in between.

In any case, we're approaching an age where money is inflating away to meaninglessness. It is of course fundamentally illusory, but that's going to become uncomfortably obvious going forward.

I'd take that line from Fight Club to heart - you are not your job, the clothes you wear, or the money you have.
 
If we take what Laura wrote about money being stored energy as a working hypothesis then the real issue is not how much money you HAVE, but how you USE it. You can have little money relative to the Elite, yet you can make an efficient use of it and achieve a lot. I guess this is what Laura is doing with her website and the SotT team with theirs.

If you look at money as means to get you where you want to go as far as spiritual development is concerned, then there is no problem in having them, using them or working to get them, as long as you keep your sight on your destination, or so it seems to me.

There is at least one good reason to have money: to support efforts of such people like Laura and Ark, or the SotT team e.g. to support the dissemination of truth.
 
obi, that's spooky. I wrote a post and never posted it. then logged back in later and you'd posted almost the same words.

Only one thing to add: having money merely amplifies what you already are, OSIT

So if you are dedicated to serving the truth, this is what is amplified. If you are weak-willed and self-interested (so succeptible to corruption), then this is what is amplified. If you are outright destructive and vampiric, then this is what is amplified.
 
Obi said:
If we take what Laura wrote about money being stored energy as a working hypothesis then the real issue is not how much money you HAVE, but how you USE it.

There is at least one good reason to have money: to support efforts of such people like Laura and Ark, or the SotT team e.g. to support the dissemination of truth.
Yeah Obi,
I think you are correct. If one believes even a percentage of what one reads on this web site, then one will inevitably ask, "What can I do?" Surely, with the current state of self deception and ignorance of the greater majority of the public, getting the information out there that will help wake others up has to come in as a TOP Priority. I don't know of anyone else that's doing the job better than these guys. So it's up to all of us to vote with our wallets--right now in the U.S. that may be the only vote that counts for anything. So a donation or purchase of books from QFG is a great way to help the cause of increasing the general awareness of what's going on. I can testify that the books that I have purchased so far have been well worth the price. In fact, they are worth infinitely more, as they contain information that is virtually impossible to find ANYWHERE else and information that will lead to spiritual growth. Besides, if the Internet is further censored, then books may be the only way to disseminate this knowledge to others.

Laura & C's said:
Details of a network include the necessity for those who are involved to invest "energy" in the exchange. If the individual comes upon the life work of another and expects to benefit and gain by that work, they will naturally wish to have their own position balanced by putting forth a commensurate amount of energy. Otherwise there will be an imbalance of energy. This then leads to an STS pyramid.
Based upon the above it seems that any person that is deriving benefit from this forum or the Cassiopaea web sites yet is not willing to financially kick in what really counts, their own hard earned money, is in danger of furthering the STS cause. It's fairly obvious to anybody, I think, that it costs a lot of money to keep an operation like this afloat--yet alone to expand it's presence to an ever increasingly larger and more aware audience. I think that we ALL benefit from the resulting increase in awareness--that's a win-win! or a possible definition of STO.
 
I'm not sure if this has been posted before (couldn't find it with the search engine anyway), but it's a very good educational video about what money really is, and perhaps more importantly, what it isn't (substantial, that is):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD78zyvI

Five parts, 10 minutes each. Website:
http://moneyasdebt.net/

Scary. Mind boggling. Disgusting. Highly recommended.
 
It is a great series. The videos are simple and easy to follow (they'd be good and might keep interest for kids/teenagers too). The video's were on the Signs page here.
 
Shane said:
It is a great series. The videos are simple and easy to follow (they'd be good and might keep interest for kids/teenagers too). The video's were on the Signs page here.
Ah, I see, well that's good. I had some idea of that there was something wrong with the whole thing, but this series really put the finger on it, and explained it in easy to understand terms.
 
I was reading this interesting thread and thought to bump it for clarification. The discussion quoted by Laura really sheds light on money, But I'm a little confused about the giving part. I'm not much of a giving type, and have mostly been a receiver in my life. So it seems I have a naturally imbalanced bias in that regard.

Laura said:
And never forget that giving of yourself must be done as the Universe does it: completely and infinitely and without strings. To give of yourself is to receive.

I understand this part, it seems to reflect giving all of oneself, but then it seems to be contradictory here:

Laura said:
If you are unable to receive without immediately offering something in return or becoming embarrassed, or you accept something from another without appreciation, you violate the law and it means that you do not know how to give.

Here it seems to say that we should receive and offer something in return, not become embarrassed, and be appreciative. I see how the dynamic between giving and receiving should be complementary so that it doesn't end up in an imbalanced STS manner. If you're offering something in return, that seems like having a string attached, which is not like the first example of giving to the Universe. Is there a difference in giving to the Universe, and simply receiving? Or am I just confusing the acts of giving and receiving?

I've been unappreciative, a little embarrassed, and not with immediate offering of something in return before. So I think it's something I definitely don't have down yet. I think it's cultural programming of where you, "Give until it hurts", but don't expect anything in return because that's "more spiritual" or "less greedy". Or the other way around when you're the receiver and don't give back because, "They shouldn't need anything, they are givers and the deed shows they are noble." These two examples, of course, have a ring of self-importance to them and presuppose that one of the individuals is "better". This of course would be a hierarchy, and isn't an equal exchange, and thus is STS.

Laura said:
At the same time, if you are constantly giving your work, time, money, or energies of any kind away without expecting and receiving proper payment (which doesn't always mean money), you are violating the law.

So I'm not really sure still how to go about giving and receiving. What I am getting is that, we should give to the Universe freely and without strings, and we also should receive and then return the favor, and give in expectation of receiving. I think it's that I just don't know how to go about it because I have false notions of the process. Any advice or clarification is appreciated. Thank you.
 
Hello,

I'm directing these questions mostly at Laura because she is likely to give the most accurate answers.

Looong waffle below so please skip personal information if you don't have similar issues or are not a hypnotherapist.

This unconscious attitude actually blocks us from success no matter how much we may consciously desire to have enough to pay our bills or have a life where we have enough for ourselves, our families, and to help others.

The conscious mind may know that money is needed but the unconscious mind holds firmly to the idea that money is basically evil. This creates the condition that even if money is made, the individual is unable to utilize it effectively.

George Bernard Shaw, in reaction to the obvious pseudo-Christian money ethic wrote: "Lack of money is the root of all evil."

Fact is, cliches - psychopathic paramoralisms - buffer us against the cold, hard facts of life. Belief in them actually perpetuates poverty in our consciousness and in our lives.

Most people are so conditioned by their upbringing that they think they are inadequate, unworthy and inferior so it becomes impossible for them to accept the fact that, proper use of energy will always and inevitably provide for them the external conditions that match their internal state.

Some people are so thorougly conditioned that they actually cannot stand the idea of prosperity or success. Their unconscious mind is so programmed to poverty living conditions, poverty habits, and poverty thinking that when there ARE opportunities to make money, to manifest their own creativity and energy, they always reject them or pass them by. When they get money, they compulsively spend it in ways that do not lead to any long term benefits for themselves or those they love. Anytime they have some kind of success, they compulsively undo it. Some people even get sick "on cue" so that they must spend all their money or lose a good job.

Many people seem to be actually afraid of money and success because their subconscious is so conditioned to being a "loser" that it actually hurts them to be a winner. It becomes uncomfortable to be comfortable.

This is a devastating form of self hypnosis which can rule and ruin a person's entire life by causing them to take the wrong job, marry the wrong person, live in the wrong area, act in the wrong way, have the wrong friends, for their WHOLE LIFE.

The more force or emphasis you give anything, good or bad, the more it will inevitably outpicutre in your life and experience. That is just simply how the unconscious mind works.

Ok, so what is the best way to practically deal with these incorrect beliefs?

My first answer would be hypnotherapy, but what direction could you give the hypnotherapist to help them uncover the issues?

Boring background information on me to avoid additional questions:

Hypnotherapy:

Read about it a lot in many forms, found it very interesting, began studying it in the UK, moved back home and didn't complete the course.

However I know/knew a lot of the "theoretical" information, my biggest regret is always being too theoretical and not having seen hypnotherapy in real life situations.

So I'm 100% sure you can deal with a lot of issues with hypnotherapy from reading/research but i have a fear it won't work for me.

1. I think i have expectations from reading others experiences which block me from experiencing my own session correctly.
2. I worry too much that the hypnotherapist knows less than me and won't be able to correctly deal with my issue.
3. I take longer to get into deeper hypnosis than is normal and the 2 hypnotherapists that i went to and explained that to did not seem to understand that.
4. I am not a very visual person and it puts me off when the hypnotherapist tries to use visualisation on me especially in the early stages of induction.

The second time I went to a hypnotherapist we chose the topic of money.

She basically asked what i felt like when i had no money and i said powerless.

She then asked me to remember a time when i felt powerless, I remembered a time play fighting with my dad where he would i guess overpower me with his strength/rough play and it made me feel like there was nothing i could do.

So fine this all makes sense, i often have put myself in situations to cause me to be temporarily broke / be the underdog so that i would have a challenge it seems, to prove to myself i can over come it.

The other 2 sessions i had were pretty much useless, this is the only one where something interesting came out of it and made sense.

Now i have been thinking recently of going to a hypnotherapist to carry on investigating this issue further, any suggestions?

My criteria now is someone with 10+ years experience and semi specialising in self esteem issues.

Because i do believe this mostly has to do with self esteem issues mixed with incorrect beliefs about money.

Dad:

Emotional:

Overly critical of everything I did, including when i excelled, could never compliment on anything.

This pretty much turned me into a perfectionist to avoid criticism and if i could not do something perfect I'd either procrastinate or make excuses.

He only sees people in what value they can offer him, if you have something he wants you are his best friend, till something goes wrong then he doesn't want to know you.

Financial:

Loves money, had a lot and lost a lot, generally looks for easiest way to make money and dreams of what to spend it of immediately, has no concept of saving.

His Father had a lot of money from hard work, his mother never let him take responsibility for any mistakes he made, they were always covered up before the father saw.

Mom:

Emotional:

Overly complimentary to possibly compensate for the father, possibly made me overconfident in my abilities but still low self esteem/value.

My mother is pretty much the total opposite of my father in every aspect of life.

Only gives, doesn't care about herself and has issues receiving.

Basically a leeches best friend and she has only started seeing this recently.

Financial:

Only cares about money to pay the bills, works ridiculously hard for others, basically the perfect worker for any boss.

Would never ask for a raise, but if she tries to leave the job the boss all of a sudden is offering a double salary.

Definitely has money issues from coming from a poor family but she works hard and saves, does not spend money on herself at all but is happy to spend/lend to everyone else.

So i think this covers the background of my money/self esteem issues/beliefs, what is the effective way to deal with this?


I think i have dealt with a lot of my issues regarding my father over the years but there is still a part or two left there deep down inside that i think can only truly be dealt with through hypnotherapy.

I have a decent life in most respects, I am a happy person 90% of the time, but these issues always come full circle and block me from my full potential in many areas of life.

The reason i was think about this again lately was when i read a thread that Laura replied in about anger/self-hate/depression and i think that is tied into my own issues.

Self hate = low self esteem? Which probably causes anger which can either be expressed internally or externally?

I have anger issues, much less so now but they are there and probably holding me back in certain areas of life.

I hope this was not too much "personal" information but I do know this is a very very common issue and I'm sure a lot of people on these forums would benefit from some general answers.

Basically what Laura said has hit the nail on the head and i KNOW this information but I don't know how to SOLVE it.

The usual self talk, goals, threatening yourself, insults, all the conscious effort will never work because it is an emotional issue from inside.

It's like having a virus, you know it's not a part of you and you can get rid of it, you just have to know how.
Thanks
 

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