No Longer Interested in Sex

Q: Getting back to the question I asked in another session on the same issue: what happens to our energy during orgasm? Where does that energy go?
A: Sucking and squeezes in 4D STS.
P: T: Is it a manifestation of how the Lizards [make] us food?
A: They have found [it] there and take it.
Q: So, orgasm is 3th density manifestation of our consumption of energy 3th density of 4th density?
A: One of their methods.

A question: Do these—"astral snakes"—count as 'lizzies'?

_https://books.google.com/books?id=Ckow5DHdG4oC&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=%22astral+snakes%22&source=bl&ots=W7Of-5GDdN&sig=08H3vLO5sa0G6I6p5rZqR8YSOs4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=91D3VPq1AYasogSQoIBI&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22astral%20snakes%22&f=false
 
skycsil said:
FireShadow said:
I am no longer interested in sex without an emotional connection and I no longer try to "give him what he wants" unless I am feeling that connection which is rare these days.

I can relate! I'm unable to have sex with someone I'm not emotionally connected to. In the last stage of my past marriage, I simply couldn't bring myself to have sex with my ex, avoiding it all cost until I was guilty enough to let it happen, only to feel like trash afterwards. It somehow felt like rape with consent, if such thing exist. I'm glad you're not hurting yourself the way I did!


Edit: awful grammar.

Exactly! I've also had a relationship where she would feel turned on while angry at a disagreement we had. Despite not feeling it, I would have sex with her and felt tired and "dead" afterwards (the stereotype of the guy going to sleep after).

But, I can say that when emotionally connected, even having an orgasm doesn't feel draining. Of course, I can't be sure if it drained to STS or not, but like others have said, the sessions have had corruption in some topics, like sex.

I recall reading somewhere that in the "barabaric" hunter-gatherer cultures, sex was about pleasure for BOTH the male and female, not just for reproduction of male satisfaction. Perhaps that is the STS corruption of sex?

I also recall reading that sex for pleasure is not just human, but also happens with dolphins. It seems like at the most mechanical of levels, sex indeed is a business transaction- but with awareness- it can grow past that?
 
I've been staying away from sex, or any type of orgasm. It seems to be one 'slip-up' too far that can trigger a chain reaction of 'slip-ups'. It's also nice not to be on a constant dopamine roller coaster (as described in Cupid's Poison Arrow).

Then again I guess it differs from person to person.
 
Immersion said:
I've been staying away from sex, or any type of orgasm. It seems to be one 'slip-up' too far that can trigger a chain reaction of 'slip-ups'. It's also nice not to be on a constant dopamine roller coaster (as described in Cupid's Poison Arrow).

Then again I guess it differs from person to person.

That's a good point to bring up actually, I find if you give into ANY type of addiction -drugs, alcohol, food, sex etc... it does trigger some sort of chain reaction to wanting to fall back into all those acts that grant you instant gratification!
 
riclapaz said:
Hesper Thanks for your comments and the link to the affective neuroscience, I think you hit the spot by saying "If it feels chaotic now just remember That the constant input of information will add more and more" order "to your system.

Hesper said:
So if you see a lesson to be learned don't delay. We're rooting for you!

Thanks for those words really are appreciated.

Not a problem! That's why sharing is so important, because it gives all of us a chance to connect concerning Reality, and it's so difficult to even catch a glimpse of it ourselves. And without that objective vision we're lost in the dark, so to speak. I'm really curious to see what you'll discover; please keep us posted.
 
Hesper said:
riclapaz said:
Hesper Thanks for your comments and the link to the affective neuroscience, I think you hit the spot by saying "If it feels chaotic now just remember That the constant input of information will add more and more" order "to your system.

Hesper said:
So if you see a lesson to be learned don't delay. We're rooting for you!

Thanks for those words really are appreciated.

Not a problem! That's why sharing is so important, because it gives all of us a chance to connect concerning Reality, and it's so difficult to even catch a glimpse of it ourselves. And without that objective vision we're lost in the dark, so to speak. I'm really curious to see what you'll discover; please keep us posted.

Yes Hesper, again thanks, keep your advice. :read:
 
I found that taking the boron supplement as described here increased my overall willpower (I used the boric acid dilution). Not only does it help me control my libido but it also helps me resist urges for carbs and almost anything else addictive:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9004.msg462964.html#msg462964

It seems to me that if a man simply abstains but changes nothing else in his life, that the libido becomes overpowering and makes it impossible to think. It seems more and more to me that some other type of activity is needed to express the energy that is conserved by celibacy. For me, it seems that almost all such things are not really a matter of "just not", but instead making changes in my lifestyle that may not appear related on the surface, in order to prepare the ground so to speak for the cessation of negative activities. For instance during times my life has felt fulfilling and I was looking forward to some healthy, stimulating activity, my libido pales next to it and approaches insignificance. This is important because succumbing to the libido spills out the very energy that naturally leads to and sustains the aforementioned activities. Without this energy I always find I feel dead and all the sounds I hear are dissonant and out of harmony. But when I have this energy, compared to that even the most monotonous sounds I hear, like a loud air conditioner and cars on the distant highway are in concert. When I'm depleted my sensory inputs become cacophonous and disordered. In the past I wasn't able to see the change in myself and simply became depressed and irritated. I've found that if I end up depleted, I must remember how I would have felt and behaved before, and do what that person would do, resisting anything I presently feel, because all my mental signals are scrambled and for instance a feeling that ordinarily signals restraint will instead signal irritation and greed. Let me just say, the signals get all screwed up beyond belief. But I've found this method helps me to return to order over time the soonest with minimal lashing out or failing responsibilities. But at any rate, I wonder exactly what kind of activity it has to be to have the positive effects?

The question then is finding a suitable activity. If you end up trying to forget your libido through an activity, then that's not it. It never goes away, because (as it seems to me) when the energy is present, libido is felt like the weight of a liquid on the walls of a vessel. I find that when things are going well, the feeling of the libido is not sexual per se, although of course it will be if I begin thinking about sex. The energy is just that - energetic - and it is felt that way because that is it's nature.

I keep coming back to what I describe in my journals as "soberment". It seems that facing sobering facts, staying conscious of them and using them to guide you towards realistic activities is important not only for making real achievements, but for deliberately breaking a "manic high" and balancing brain chemistry. Without "staying sober" this way, I tend to get carried away and just do things aimlessly "for fun". For instance when designing an electronic circuit, I'll start grinding on insignificant details or adopting design goals that don't exist in any real application, as if to just try to get a number as high as possible. If I apply sobering fact, bear it, and most importantly realize that that is what I WANT to do (because creative energy seems to be blocked by reluctance), then I can formulate a realistic aim for the project and direct my energy towards that aim.

So, any other ideas?
 
Hello monotonous, you have good points, I will try to answer my example:


monotonic said:
I found that taking the boron supplement as described here increased my overall willpower (I used the boric acid dilution). Not only does it help me control my libido but it also helps me resist urges for carbs and almost anything else addictive:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9004.msg462964.html#msg462964

It seems to me that if a man simply abstains but changes nothing else in his life, that the libido becomes overpowering and makes it impossible to think. It seems more and more to me that some other type of activity is needed to express the energy that is conserved by celibacy.

Yes, I've been through that situation and supplemented according to you is horrible.

monotonic said:
For me, it seems that almost all such things are not really a matter of "just not", but instead making changes in my lifestyle that may not appear related on the surface, in order to prepare the ground so to speak for the cessation of negative activities. For instance during times my life has felt fulfilling and I was looking forward to some healthy, stimulating activity, my libido pales next to it and approaches insignificance. This is important because succumbing to the libido spills out the very energy that naturally leads to and sustains the aforementioned activities. Without this energy I always find I feel dead and all the sounds I hear are dissonant and out of harmony. But when I have this energy, compared to that even the most monotonous sounds I hear, like a loud air conditioner and cars on the distant highway are in concert. When I'm depleted my sensory inputs become cacophonous and disordered. In the past I wasn't able to see the change in myself and simply became depressed and irritated. I've found that if I end up depleted, I must remember how I would have felt and behaved before, and do what that person would do, resisting anything I presently feel, because all my mental signals are scrambled and for instance a feeling that ordinarily signals restraint will instead signal irritation and greed. Let me just say, the signals get all screwed up beyond belief. But I've found this method helps me to return to order over time the soonest with minimal lashing out or failing responsibilities. But at any rate, I wonder exactly what kind of activity it has to be to have the positive effects?

In this part I am, I think when you start to know yourself, you've taken the first step, sometimes I detected that somehow the universe move pieces around and turned "something" in my system that makes loading sexual.
monotonic said:
The question then is finding a suitable activity. If you end up trying to forget your libido through an activity, then that's not it. It never goes away, because (as it seems to me) when the energy is present, libido is felt like the weight of a liquid on the walls of a vessel. I find that when things are going well, the feeling of the libido is not sexual per se, although of course it will be if I begin thinking about sex. The energy is just that - energetic - and it is felt that way because that is it's nature.

I keep coming back to what I describe in my journals as "soberment". It seems that facing sobering facts, staying conscious of them and using them to guide you towards realistic activities is important not only for making real achievements, but for deliberately breaking a "manic high" and balancing brain chemistry. Without "staying sober" this way, I tend to get carried away and just do things aimlessly "for fun". For instance when designing an electronic circuit, I'll start grinding on insignificant details or adopting design goals that don't exist in any real application, as if to just try to get a number as high as possible. If I apply sobering fact, bear it, and most importantly realize that that is what I WANT to do (because creative energy seems to be blocked by reluctance), then I can formulate a realistic aim for the project and direct my energy towards that aim.

So, any other ideas?

Yes, somewhere here in the forum Laura said something that helped me try to make things less difficult about sex, it could be something like "give a piece of meat to the wolves" of course it's a line very thin between giving a piece and give it a whole cow, I mean, and I'm working on that.
 
Divide By Zero said:
But, I can say that when emotionally connected, even having an orgasm doesn't feel draining. Of course, I can't be sure if it drained to STS or not, but like others have said, the sessions have had corruption in some topics, like sex.

It seems that this is where the fine line may be. Where you put your energy...
If having standard sex with orgasm as the main goal, then it is clearly an STS act and it is easy to see how this energy can be sucked up to 4D. This would be an act of self love, just like masturbation, with a complete self physical reward. Possibly worse as you are likely to steal energy from the partner.

As Laura has said, it is all about aligning our frequency with that of the STO... So to me if there is no underline intent of orgasm or hidden agenda, then maybe it isnt as potent food for the Lizzies? - Thus the lessened feeling of being drained.

For me personally, sex has had to be completely stopped and re looked at from scratch. As during intercourse the mind/predator too easily takes the wheel. Simply put, i do not wish to align myself with that negative aspect any longer.
But now, me and my partner, being over 3 months no orgasm, are looking at introducing intercourse back into the equation in the form of Karezza - as we feel we should be able to connect on an intimate level and reprogram what 'Sex' actually is. We have experimented with it prior and it does bring up alot of emotions just as EE can do.

Has anyone else experimented with any Karezza or similar programs?

Being 3+ months no orgasm i can notice a drastic difference in my mind set aswell. My focus is heightened and i have so much more energy to do productive things :D, im hoping that Karezza and bonding exercises will strengthen this new stored energy and not drain it... Time will tell :-[
 
Hello everyone. recently saw this video on SOTT in Spanish where actor Russell Brand talks about porn and how it blocks certain aspects of our daily lives producing some personal problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kvzamjQW9M&t=364
 
Perceval said:
FireShadow said:
In the process of these past few years (which is a long story and I am willing to tell it if anyone is interested).

I am! :)

Since it is a long story and branches off the current topic, I started a new thread for it - Out of the Void (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,37544.0.html)
 
I used to have a very high sex drive. In my younger days, I was even quite promiscuous. However, in recent years, I seem to have lost all interest in having sex. It just seems so irrelevant to me now. In fact, I feel a little repulsed by the whole idea. This came as quite a surprise to me. I never expected to lose interest - I used to love sex.

I get a little angry over all the ads for medications to restore "sexual desire"...as if there is something wrong with me because I am just not interested. I don't want to be interested. I would be happy if I never had sex again.

When viagara came out I actually wondered why there was not a pill for women. I had desire but I was never able to climax during intercourse. I loved everything leading up to sex, like the eye contact, flirting, the passionate kissing, embracing, I loved feeling the energy between my fingers flowing over his his body feeling the contours of his arms and running my fingers through his hair as he grabs me around the small of my back. Phew, THat was my sex. I would drag that out as long a I possibly could. The actual intercourse was not as pleasurable for me as him and since I did not climax, it made my partner feel inadequate. Is that STS
I too recently lost my sex drive but just before that happened I had a giant burst of sexual energy. It was crazy, I never felt anything like it. Probably hormones because I went into menopause immediately after and its been three years since I had a period. Just stopped . Sex drive gradually faded after that.
 
Huxley said:
Being 3+ months no orgasm i can notice a drastic difference in my mind set aswell. My focus is heightened and i have so much more energy to do productive things :D , im hoping that Karezza and bonding exercises will strengthen this new stored energy and not drain it... Time will tell :-[

Indeed. It has not been as long for me, but I notice that by holding onto sexual energy, it can be used for other things. Kind of like, instead of the energy trying to go and make a child, instead your works and your expression become your "children". I notice better social skills, more interest in others, a "more testosterone" feeling. It's easier to handle stress and also easier to focus (I've finally started just getting down and doing my uni work properly).

This might be described by G as a "misuse of sex". However, I think that times are a little different now.

It is sometimes very difficult when your brain seeks urgent stress relief and there's an obvious deep pathway to follow: that of orgasm by any means. Whether it's the thrilling dopamine spike of an encounter, or just beating off in front of a laptop. But undoing this is simply another brain training exercise - basically the core of what we do here.

My current idea about it is that we gradually accumulate sexual energy. Some are wayy more depleted than others. So a healthy person with a healthy upbringing would be able to have orgasmic sex quite often and not destroy their energy levels, although they would experience the coolidge effect with their partner.

However, for people who have been masturbating (especially using porn) and sexually active from a young age - we are more depleted. We need to hold onto the energy for longer and use it to regain more healthy "sex pathways". Using that creative energy within can help our minds and bodies heal in ways that science has not explored, and from what I've learned so far this includes healing mental disorders and other stress-induced illness of the body.

Dave_posse said:
Hello everyone. recently saw this video on SOTT in Spanish where actor Russell Brand talks about porn and how it blocks certain aspects of our daily lives producing some personal problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kvzamjQW9M&t=364

This is easily one of his best videos! Society around us is trying to bring us back to the most animalistic of levels - that of domination based sex, alpha male and submissive female. The more dicey or risky, the more domination and the more outlandish, in order to satiate peoples desensitised reward circuitry.

As love and social connection continue to decline in this ponerized, weirdo western society, we can only expect to see an increase in excess and general silliness as people try to grab onto anything that makes them feel better.
 
Dave_posse said:
Hello everyone. recently saw this video on SOTT in Spanish where actor Russell Brand talks about porn and how it blocks certain aspects of our daily lives producing some personal problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kvzamjQW9M&t=364

Being unable to watch this video atm due to being with friends, i will give it a watch later today. Another video, more directed to porn, i seen on ted talks was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRJ_QfP2mhU

By the way he talks, i can see how orgasms whilst watching porn can drain yourself but possibly also completely destroy the soul of the counter part person on your screen. As they are clearly being used to drain the hell out of us. So distancing ourselves from this desire, it could also be lessening the restraint of STS on another.

Carl said:
My current idea about it is that we gradually accumulate sexual energy. Some are wayy more depleted than others. So a healthy person with a healthy upbringing would be able to have orgasmic sex quite often and not destroy their energy levels, although they would experience the coolidge effect with their partner.

However, for people who have been masturbating (especially using porn) and sexually active from a young age - we are more depleted. We need to hold onto the energy for longer and use it to regain more healthy "sex pathways". Using that creative energy within can help our minds and bodies heal in ways that science has not explored, and from what I've learned so far this includes healing mental disorders and other stress-induced illness of the body.

Reminds me of what Don Juan said in The Fire From Within:

''Genaro is going to tell you what our benefactor, the nagual Julian, used to say about saving and re-channeling sexual energy,'' don Juan said to me.
''The nagual Julian used to say that to have sex is a matter of energy,'' Genaro began. ''For instance, he never had any problems having sex, because he had bushels of energy. But he took one look at me and prescribed right away that my peter was just for peeing. He told me that i didnt have enough enough energy to have sex. He said that my parents were too bored and too tired when they made me; he said that i was the result of very boring sex, cojida aburriba. I was born like that, bored and tired. The nagual Julian reccomended that people like me should never have sex; this way we can store the little energy we have''

So if we take this and try to remold it into our century, possibly you are correct that an individual not corrupt by porn/masturbation/dominating sex and a good example of loving parents who used sex in a correct manor could orgasm without being completely depleted.
Even if you deem yourself as one of these individuals, it would be best to look at the bigger picture... Don Juan continues;

He told them that they could do anything they wanted with their sexual energy, but he recommended that they control themselves and understand the Eagle's command that sex is bestowing the glow of awareness.

Control and discipline seem to be the way forward in our time, to harness what little energy we can get and utilize it for The Work. Many people do feel alot more re-vitalized while maintaining all their own energy. Personally this applies for me. The aim is to reset my whole chemical imbalance from years of porn by putting my energy into productive things, while also gaining and increasing my energy to actually do these.
 
Sex as I see it has been manipulated into a money market. Sex sells and where there is a market there is a target. If you think about it when the internet became a household necessity, every man i know was watching porn, some more than a lot. I noticed a look they got as they watched, then started noticing that look on many mens faces when they were talking about or wanting sex. Don't know why I mentioned that, I just remembered that so wrote it. My point is men being a target due to their growing interest in porn.

Not sure of the stats of male problems of erectile dysfunction at the time viagara came out, but I never saw or heard of erectile dysfunction prior to that. If there was such a thing and I am sure there was, it was probably caused by taking other prescription meds. When advertising on tv The elusive yet appealing content make healthy men curious to try it. Probably lured by the long lasting erection part. As I understand the pill is not very hard to come by and is very expensive..
Healthy men thinking they have a dysfunction because theirs is not like the pumped up studs in the porn they watched. The stanima to send the hot big breasted woman into another world with his penis and ejaculate all over her face. It is so fake. I really never understood the attraction to it. I have always had an open mind and even watched it with my partner and tried to get into it. I think it made him nervous and uncomfortable. But whenever I was not looking you bet he was watching and downloading. The thing that bothered me was it did not make him very creative in bed. You would think someone would learn a trick or two.
I am sorry I have tendency to go off in different directions as I'm recalling things in my mind, I tend to also remember other things and go off forgetting my original point. I do that all the time. My apologies.

Sex sells. The women are the target now and its no surprise. Sex has lost it's intimacy and women feel sexually frustrated because her partner now strokes his penis instead of her. Then during intercourse instead of looking into her eyes he wants to watch it go in and out. I am repulsed and I am just speaking from my own observations and experience.
The bottom line is Money. creating a snowball effect of cause and affect which is something the people making the money are experts at. THey can see beyond our comprehension.
 
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