J.G.: ...But lets get down to the nitty-gritty -- something really precise and specific. In one of your psionic experiments, you claimed you were actually able to transmit sunlight through a wire to a plant in a darkened room -- a basement, I think. What sort of instrument did you use -- assuming this is true?
Hieronymus: Not my patented one; this was different. Moreover, you dont mean the transmission of photons, exactly, either. This was a fundamental energy coming from the sun. I didnt claim it was light.
J.G.: Doesnt virtually all energy come from the sun?
Hieronymus: No.
J.G.: Come now, doesnt all terrestrial life owe its existence to the sun?
Hieronymus: No, I wouldnt say so.
J.G.: All right, have it your way; my job is to try to understand your work and theories -- to listen to what you have to say.
Hieronymus: It isnt necessarily true that Earth sprang from the sun, either. Consider an atom of helium -- with two protons and two neutrons in the nucleus and two planetary electrons going around . . .
J.G.: That seems rather simplistic.
Hieronymus: Wait. This gives you three particle building blocks. Would you say that the nucleus was created first and the electrons put in afterward?
J.G.: I dont know and I doubt if anybody else does.
Hieronymus: Well, theres not a good reason to think they were made at different times.
J.G.: Possibly, possibly not. Lets get back to your experiment in transmitting solar energy in a darkened room by wire. Exactly what did you do and what happened?
Hieronymus: All right. I made eight small boxes: two-by-two-by-four inches long, without tops or bottoms. Before tacking on the base, I put in pieces of aluminum foil slightly larger than the bottom and did the same for the top, except that the lid was raised about a half inch above the box. The top and bottom on the inside was covered by aluminum foil. In my basement workshop, which was lightproofed, I connected the bottom plate to a water pipe with copper wire and ran another wire from the top plate to the outside of the basement where Id built two shelves. Seven of the boxes were wired to metal plates outside in the sunlight -- also on shelves built onto the house. The eighth was a control, not connected to anything. On the first wire I soldered a plate two-by-two inches, the second to a metal plate four-by-four inches, the next to a plate eight-by-eight inches, and another one to a plate sixteen inches square. To the next three grounded wires I soldered two-by-two, four-by-four and eight-by-eight inch copper screening -- to see whether thered be any difference in the results from the solid plates than from the screen mesh . . .
J.G.: Was there . . .?
Hieronymus: Dont get ahead of me now. I sifted and mixed some soil and put an equal amount in each box, then planted ten oat seeds in each box-- two rows of five each, so that I knew exactly where they were and could tell which were growing and by how much. Each of the eight boxes were identical, with exactly one-half inch of soil over the seeds. The only difference was in the size and texture of the plates outside connected by wire to the aluminum sheets inside the tops of the boxes. I watered each box daily with exactly the same amount of water, which I applied with a salt shaker. As the plants grew inside these dark boxes, I raised the lids to allow them more headroom, but still kept them lightproof, and kept exact records of when the plants broke through the soil . . . Remember now, these plants were in absolutely dark boxes which were located inside dark shelves in a dark basement. The oat seedlings were totally divorced from light.
J.G.: But you had one control -- a box of seeds with aluminum foil at the top and bottom that wasnt wired or connected to anything, right? What happened?
Hieronymus: They all sprouted at the same time and were about the same degree of sturdiness. But then something entirely different and, as far as I was concerned, unexpected actually started happening. There was chlorophyll in every plant that was wired to the outside plates, but the control box plants remained a pale yellow -- almost white.
J.G.: Fascinating. Has this experiment been duplicated by others?
Hieronymus: Yes, although when it was first published, one of the early experimenters deviated from my explanation in two serious ways: first, he didnt light-seal several big windows in his basement and second he laid his plates on the ground instead of elevating them six feet on outdoor shelves, so he got no potential differential, or antenna effect. This was corrected in later experiments and in each case the results coincided with mv own.
J.G.: What about differences in size and texture of the outdoor plates? What results?
Hieronymus: Thats the interesting thing. The amount of sunlight falling on any given area is measurable. For analogy, you can use an optic lens to concentrate sunlight to scorch or burn paper; well sir, the plants connected to the largest plates outside in the sunlight not only generated green coloring, they also gave every appearance of having been subjected to scorching sunlight -- as if theyd been singed or burned! The next largest plate yielded better plants and the next was about what youd expect normally from normal exposure to sunlight. The others especially the ones connected to the screening, were less green, and the one connected to the smallest piece of screen was yellowish.
J.G.: It seems inconceivable that photons can be transmitted through a wire.
Hieronymus: Oh, I doubt that the energy is visible sunlight; in fact I suspect were dealing with a form of energy from the sun that is probably non-electromagnetic in nature. This concept represents the entire thrust of the work Ive been doing most of my life.
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J. G.: Im interested in the life-affecting properties of psionic devices. Didnt you once kill corn ear worms with the energy focused through your instruments?
Hieronymus: On many occasions, but what most people are unaware of is that there are ways to shield against this energy and one of the shields is, of all things, simple transparent plastic. In one very important experiment I actually dissolved corn ear worms, but because of the life-affecting danger of such experiments, I havent said much about the process.
J.G.: All right, you neednt go into details . .
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Hieronymus: Some years ago when I was at Camp Hill, Pennsylvania, the farmers, who used no sprays, gave me some just-formed ears of corn, twelve of which had worms inside. I chose six as being almost identical in worm-size and activity. With my instruments I measured the vitality of the worms (in test tubes) and we searched until we found a chemical reagent that, when applied to the worms environment -- poisoned it -- reduced its vitality to zero, and killed it. We picked out six ears and cut off some of the husk with scissors from the outside of three ears and put these three in a deep plastic bag. So I had a resonant contact with those three ears of corn by what is called the Aka thread -- not a religious concept, but a direct electrical conductor between a piece of the corn shuck and the ear itself. Its a natural phenomenon among living things that can easily be proved.
J.G.: Has this anything to do with the philosophical concept of the Akashic thread or record?
Hieronymus: Exactly the same root word. Well, the other plastic bag wasnt as deep as the first, so I put the next three ears inside, with the tassel tops downward and the ends stuck out. I packed the spaces between the ears with cotton so that when I put the bag down and tied a string around it, the worms couldnt crawl out. This turned out to be an important difference. Using the corn shucks from each three ears, I set my devices on automatic timers so that the essence of the reagent was tuned to each bag at alternate ten-minute intervals -- first the corn in the bag that was completely enclosed and tied with a rubber band and then the other that had the ends of the corn sticking out. With this set on automatic instruments, I left for the weekend for Chesapeake Bay. When we returned on Sunday night, one of the first things I did was to open the large plastic bag that had completely enclosed the corn and worm.
I was surprised to find that the worm in the first ear of corn was twice as big and twice as lively as he had been -- in fact hed eaten the whole length of the ear and already was two-thirds of the way back. The other two ears were just about the same; the worms had glutted themselves. I was so disappointed that I almost threw the other bag in the trash can. But I didnt. When I untied the string and removed the cotton, I found that in the first ear, which had been sticking out of the shallower plastic bag, the worm that had eaten about two or three inches when Id tied up the bag had only eaten about a half or three-quarters of an inch. In the trough at the end where the worm should have been there was only a damp spot. I was amazed, but when I checked the second ear -- the same thing. The worm in the third ear was still there, but when I touched him with a toothpick, he was absolutely dormant, so I upended him into a test tube and ran a vitality check, which was almost zero. So I laid him back in the trough hed eaten, covered the ear with its husk and let it treat overnight. When I unpacked the corn in the morning, that worm was just a damp spot. None of those three worms could have crawled away; they couldnt have gotten through the cotton or eaten a hole in the plastic bag. I ran a test of the plastic and learned that it was an almost perfect insulator against the poisonous energy I was directing at the corn earworms. On the other hand, with the corn sticking out of the other bag, the radiating energy from my instruments had direct contact with it. Ive done any number of experiments along these lines and theyve consistently proven the effectiveness of thin plastic sheeting as a radionic shield.
J. G.: That seems strange. As I understand it, this eloptic radiation -- this energy -- can penetrate anything -- dozens of feet of solid steel -- hundreds of feet of rock and earth.
Hieronymus: I know, but there are certain things, apparently, that act as insulation against it. Clear plastic happens to be one of them.
J. G.: Could it be that the plastic is a molecular anomaly -- perhaps because of its polymer . . .?
Hieronymus: I dont know and cant explain the chemistry behind it, but . . . do you know what ordinary black friction tape is, the kind electricians used to use?
- J.G.: Sure, its a pretty good electrical insulator.
Hieronymus: Well, I took a roll of that tape and covered an electrode plate -- the kind used to pick up the energy from a sample with it. But a when I tried to measure and analyze a specimen Id placed on it, the friction tape had blocked virtually every bit of energy from it. Another uncovered electrode plate connected to the instrument I was using, however, gave me a clear analysis reading. I also found that the old-fashioned thirty percent rubber insulation -- the kind that used to be used to insulate wire, but dries out -- apparently had a lot of carbon or something in it, that was an excellent insulator of eloptic energy, while even India ink on a piece of paper acts as a conductor.
J. G.: About how many experiments along these lines have you conducted?
Hieronymus: Thousands, thousands -- and all kinds.
J.G.: Which one stands out in your mind as being the most important or the most noteworthy experiment that you have conducted? What was the thing that surprised you most?
Hieronymus: The dissolving of the corn earworm was probably the most outstanding one. We have destroyed microorganisms in people, but of course you cant see those. You take a specimen from a patient and put it in the instrument and they have only a little fever or something that bothers them. You run through your list of stuff and find whichever bug it is. When you put the energy into the machine, that neutralizes it; when its gone they feel better. Well, as far as the patient is concerned, that seems spectacular. They love it! But when youve done it over and over, it ceases to be spectacular. I think another spectacular one was when we changed the platelet count, as measured in the laboratory, in the blood of a boy who was the son a of a friend of mine. I just happened to run across his father in an electronics supply place and asked him how things were going. He was terribly depressed. He said "My boy is just about ready to die." The doctors were giving him two blood transfusions a day and he was just barely existing. I told him what we were doing with psionics and offered to try to help. This was back in the 1930s; we didnt know as much as we do now, so we had to experiment. We started working on him radionically, and found all kinds of trouble and had to strengthen him up first. He was just a leathery, bony, thin skinned kid, existing on two transfusions a day -- couldnt even take any food. We stimulated him to where the radionic broadcasts began to be effective.
The doctors were quite elated with what was happening. They were just giving him blood transfusions -- that was all they were doing. The parents wanted to take the boy home for Easter, he was feeling a lot better and they wanted him to be with the family. One very straight-laced doctor told the father that he knew damn well that what he was seeing was false. He said the platelet count was awfully low and if it came up to where it should be, they could take their son home for Easter. Doctors then knew absolutely no way of changing that platelet count. Wed done a lot of experimental work and observations; there is one organ or part of the body that does affect the platelet count, the formation of platelets in the blood system.
J. G.: Are you referring to the bone marrow or the pineal gland?
Hieronymus: Not the bone marrow; the pineal gland has direct relationship to the sun. Solar activity affects the pineal gland. (See Science News on "Solar Readout of Brain," p. 248, October 18, 1975, which Rene Cartes has called the point of interaction between the spirit and body. Many philosophers since him have maintained that the seat of the soul -- of consciousness itself is the tiny pineal gland or third eye.) Solar influence comes through the receptors in the top of the eye (not through the seeing part). I think it goes through the pituitary. Anyway, we worked on it and the day before Easter we insisted that the doctors have the test made the first thing in the morning after the boy had slept all night and before he was transfused. (We checked on the doctors procedure and the boy would always get the blood transfusions and then the doctors would take the sample of blood for the test.) The father was insistent; the doctors finally did it that way. Now, heres something that really gets you. The technician came to get the blood specimen and ran down to run the test and about a half-hour later the head of the laboratory of this hospital came up and took another specimen and also took it down to analyze it. About two hours later a technician from another hospital took another specimen from the boy. He took it back to their laboratories -- they had three verifiable tests there that all showed that the platelets had increased to nearly normal -- and they knew it couldnt be done! So that stands out as one of the spectacular moments.
J. G.: Whats the difference or correlation between the eloptic energy and dowsing, if any?
Hieronymus: A great deal. There is a universal energy called logoital plasma. First you start with the primordial stuff or energy which is the raw material from which everything is made. This is rather philosophical and becomes almost metaphysical. When logoital plasma is moved, you have logoital energy. When this was first used in the creation of physical elements, physical materials, the emanation coming from those physical materials was what I call eloptic energy, and thats what we are dealing with. When it had to do with a living thing like a person, an animal or a plant, the emanations that come from the various parts of those live organisms -- these are called nionic-nerve influencing energy. It is not eloptic because it is coming from the living or life features of the body or shall we say from the live tissues as compared with that which comes from the elements from hydrogen on up to uranium and so on. Well, dowsing is the use of the mind to tune in to this same energy that comes from water, oil, gold, silver, etc.
J.G.: But how does that . . .?
Hieronymus: Look now, you asked the question and Im trying to answer it. There is an energy that emanates from each isotope of each element which includes oil, gold, silver -- anything -- and a dowser has to tune in to that and he uses the mind as part of that process. Your lower mental body, which is a very distinct part of you, and your emotional body are two separate and distinct activities which are nevertheless closely allied and related and they work together. Its a kind of traveling pair because when you go to sleep at night and wake up with a vision or something, it is the activity of the combination which is doing it. People who have developed the ability to project that pair at will do the same thing -- a dowser is doing it.
Their rods, or their devices, are strictly transducers between their physical senses and the emanations that the mind is concentrated on seeking.
J.G.: Okay, with a little stretching of the imagination, thats somewhat understandable.
Hieronymus: Fine. The rod itself however, has nothing to do with it. Most of the physics of the divining rod were subjected to a lot of mechanical testing and measuring of the torque, the stresses put into it when its operating and so on. But all that movement is the result of the nervous system and the muscles of the operator. On the other hand, one who can do psychometry, for example, doesnt need a divining rod. He can actually run his hand over an object and feel the effect. Some interpret it better than others. Peter Hurkos, for instance. Dont discount the abilities of these people.
J.G.: One psychic or psychometrist named Fran Farrelly who has (Ive checked this pretty thoroughly) successfully analyzed blood specimens for doctors and laboratories for years, doesnt use radionic devices or psionic machines. In fact, she claims theyre entirely unnecessary.
Hieronymus: For her. Ive known Fran for a long, long time. She lived in my home for awhile and used my equipment there and spent a year with another psionic pioneer, an MD named Love. She is an excellent blood technician and until recently worked as a psionic analyst for a group of doctors -- in their own laboratory.
The special thing about the Hieronymus machine is that it should be more reliable and reproducible than dowsing, at least for most people.
