Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

Perceval said:
It's worse than that, many newspapers carried the headline "Fragments of Russian missile BUK launcher found at crash site" or some version thereof, always including the word "Russian". They later explain that "historically, the Buk system has been developed and used by Russian forces". So you see, in that headline, they aren't actually saying that they have found evidence that a Buk missile system shot down MH17 and that it was a system given to the rebels by Russia, so if people get that impression it's not the newspaper editors fault! :curse:

I'm feeling the "Stop the world, I want to get off" very strongly in response to all this today.
Time to go comment on twitter and news websites.
 
Altair said:
This article _http://www.apn.ru/opinions/article27435.htm (in Russian) suggests that Sergey Sokolov was a director of a private security company Atoll (Атолл) which provided security to Berezovsky and was closed after Berezovsky's death. Now he is a director of the federal information centre "Analytics and Security". It's a private human rights organisation (as they claim). The article also suggests that this organisation used several times questionable data in their pseudo-struggle with corruption in Russia. The article is published back in 2012 and is titled "Does Berezovsky finance the federal information centre 'Analytics and Security'"?

So it looks like Sokolov was closely connected with Berezovsky.

A new alleged leak from federal information centre 'Analytics and Security'" (FedInf). It's a collection of phone conversations between 2 CIA officers (as they say): David Hamilton and David Loyd Stern. FedInf claims to have received this audio recording from an SBU agent.


https://youtu.be/4BhJifVhqFU
 
Perceval said:
It's worse than that, many newspapers carried the headline "Fragments of Russian missile BUK launcher found at crash site" or some version thereof, always including the word "Russian". They later explain that "historically, the Buk system has been developed and used by Russian forces". So you see, in that headline, they aren't actually saying that they have found evidence that a Buk missile system shot down MH17 and that it was a system given to the rebels by Russia, so if people get that impression it's not the newspaper editors fault! :curse:

Yeah, I saw similar headlines in Dutch media :nuts:

Now, the Dutch broadcaster NOS (which has connections to CNN), that has been promoting the Buk idea and blaming Russia in one way or another in their reports from the beginning, has received an Emmy nomination for their TV-broadcast of MH17's national day of mourning... If anything, they should get an Emmy nomination for playing a part in making sure that friends and family members of those who died from the incident, and a majority of the Dutch people, are led astray as to who did it and why!
 
Nice and handy summation by Amari Roos of the latest developments including a reminder of how victims' families feel about it all:

http://www.sott.net/article/300207-SOTT-Exclusive-MH17-Anti-Russian-propaganda-secrecy-and-Western-crocodile-tears
 
Palinurus said:
Nice and handy summation by Amari Roos of the latest developments including a reminder of how victims' families feel about it all:

http://www.sott.net/article/300207-SOTT-Exclusive-MH17-Anti-Russian-propaganda-secrecy-and-Western-crocodile-tears

I read it this morning. Very good summary. At this point, they don't even seem to care what the families think - they're just ramming ahead with their agenda.
 
This aside news is a follow up to this previous post of mine.

From: _http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/08/18/mh17-stuffed-animals-donated-to-sick-kids-foundation/

MH17 stuffed animals donated to sick kids’ foundation

Posted on Aug 18, 2015 by Janene Van Jaarsveldt

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Boxes full of MH17 toys donated to the Geef een knuffel foundation (Picture: Facebook/Stichting Geef een knuffel)

The relatives of MH17 victims have decided to donate the many, many stuffed animals left at various memorial sites after the MH17 disaster to the foundation Geef een knuffel – Give a toy in English. All these toys will now find their way to a new home with a sick child, [newspaper] AD reports.

The foundation received dozens of boxes containing at least 2 thousand soft toys. These toys were left at the Eindhoven airbase, on Schiphol Airport and in front of the Generaal van Oudheusden barracks by people wanting to show respect and express their condolences after the disaster that claimed 298 lives in eastern Ukraine on July 17th last year.

The Geef een knuffel foundation is the initiative of Laura and Martijn Westerbrink a young couple from Overijssel. According to the foundation’s website, it grew out of an intended to be once off event during which the couple sold books at the market in Olst in 2010 and donated the proceeds to the NCFS, an organization that supports people with cystic fibrosis. The foundation eventually also started selling CS stuffed animals to raise money for NCFS.

At one point Martijn’s grandmother asked whether she could buy two soft toys and have them sent to children in the hospital. And so a second part to the foundation was born. So far about 6,500 soft toys have found their way to provide support and a bit of happiness to a sick child.

This will also be the destination for the MH17 toys. The foundation does not know which children will receive the donated stuffed toys yet. “We will think about it”, Laura said to the AD. “This is not the type of decision you just make.”

Making a decision was also hard for the Stichting Vliegramp MH17, board member Evert van Zijtveld told the newspaper. The relatives did not know what to do with all the toys. “For us it was soon clear that it is important that the toys continue to exist. They symbolize the sorrow and disbelief among relatives and people in society. But also the support that we have experienced. By giving them to the foundation they will continue to offer support.”

Similar story: _http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/08/flight-mh17-soft-toys-find-a-new-home/
 
Russian media report about the radio interview by The Commersant of Alexander Rutskoy, ex-Vice President of Russia, a Russian politician and a former Soviet military (air force) officer.

In his opinion, the fact that particularly the left part of the cockpit was impacted implies that the version of Buk missile is unlikely, as it "doesn't select" the impact area.

Rutskoy said that Su-25 was, on the contrary, capable of such an impact. He also described his own similar experience with Su-25 in Afghanistan conflict. Here is the link in Russian.
 
SOTT now carries the Rutskoy info taken from another source (Sputnik):

http://www.sott.net/article/300551-Russian-Air-Force-General-says-MH17-may-have-been-shot-down-by-Ukrainian-Su-25
 
A review of the evidence and the most likely explanation of what happened to MH-17 by the Saker originally written for Unz Review (I think there's a very good chance that there was a bomb placed on board at the Dutch airport, as the C's said and some recent evidence seems to suggest, besides a fighter jet taking out the pilots):

http://thesaker.is/mh-17-one-year-later/
 
The latest from _http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/08/27/netherlands-final-report-on-mh17-due-october-13/

Netherlands: Final report on MH17 due October 13

Posted on Aug 27, 2015 by Janene Van Jaarsveldt

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Wreckage of flight MH17 (Source: Twitter/@Yahoo)

The final report on the investigation into the disaster with Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 will be released on October 13th, the Dutch Safety Board announced on Thursday.

Relatives of the victims will be informed about the conclusions drawn in the investigation before the report is officially released. This will be done in a closed information meeting, to which the relatives will be invited in September.

The Dutch Safety Board will release further information on the way in which the reports will be made available to the public on a later date.

The Boeing 777 left Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport on July 17, destined for Kuala Lumpur. It exploded in the skies over Eastern Ukraine after it was possibly struck with a BUK missile. All 298 people on the aircraft were killed, of which 196 were Dutch citizens.
 
Source: _http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/24/world/europe/tribunal-may-be-formed-for-malaysia-flight-17jet-lost-over-ukraine.html?_r=1

(bold, mine; 8 hyper links omitted)

Tribunal May Be Formed for Malaysia Flight 17 Jet Lost Over Ukraine

By RICK GLADSTONE SEPT. 23, 2015

Blocked by Russia at the United Nations, members seeking criminal accountability for the Malaysian jetliner destroyed in eastern Ukraine last year may create their own prosecution tribunal, Australia’s foreign minister said Wednesday.

The minister, Julie Bishop, said such a tribunal was among the narrowed options now under consideration by the core group of nations that has been leading the effort for victim justice in the destruction of the jetliner, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

Ms. Bishop said ministers from those nations — Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine — would meet at the United Nations next Tuesday, during the annual General Assembly meeting of world leaders, for further discussions.

“There are a number of permutations, and I can assure you there are a number of international criminal lawyers who are working on this,” Ms. Bishop said in an interview with the editorial board of The New York Times.

Citizens of more than a dozen nations were among the 298 passengers and crew, but Dutch, Malaysian and Australian citizens accounted for the majority of them.

All were killed when the plane, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on July 17, 2014, plunged into pieces in the eastern Ukraine countryside, apparently hit by a sophisticated missile.

Many countries, including the United States, Ukraine and Australia, have said they believe that Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine were responsible for the disaster.

The Kremlin has rejected those accusations as politically motivated. It has also argued that the investigation into the cause remains incomplete and has suggested that Ukrainian forces may have been responsible.

Russia vetoed a United Nations Security Council resolution on July 29 that would have created a criminal tribunal to pursue the perpetrators. Ms. Bishop, who attended that vote, was among those who expressed outrage at Russia and said the aggrieved nations would regroup to consider their next steps.

Since then, “we’ve narrowed the options,” Ms. Bishop said in talking about the creation of a special court. “This is the ‘what’s next.’ ”

She said such a court, which does not require United Nations approval, could be established through a treaty “by all of the grieving countries, however many lost citizens.”

The closest analogy to such a court, she said, was probably the Scottish panel established in the Netherlands to prosecute Libyan suspects after the explosion of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, on Dec. 21, 1988, which killed 259 people aboard and 11 on the ground.

Ms. Bishop said other options were also under consideration, including separate prosecutions in each of the aggrieved nations.

She also did not exclude the possibility of resubmitting the resolution vetoed by the Security Council once the official investigations into the cause of the Flight 17 disaster, led by the Netherlands, are concluded later this year.

A draft report ruling out mechanical failure has already been circulated, she said, while the inquiry into precisely what felled the aircraft is still underway.

Nonetheless, she said, “nothing I’ve seen over the last 15 months has changed Australia’s official view that it was brought down by a surface-to-air missile operated by Russian-backed separatists inside the Ukrainian border.”

A version of this article appears in print on September 24, 2015, on page A4 of the New York edition with the headline: Tribunal May Be Formed for Jet Lost Over Ukraine.
 
Which is why I was surprised that Russia didn't take or share data recordings with those seeking to investigate.... they could or should have been copied them and given to the various parties .. Malaysia, Russia, Ukraine, et al... and doing so in full public display, on camera for all to see, so that no one could cry foul play... not that they wouldn't do so anyway as they are already doing and will continue to do as this new attempt demonstrates. Maybe Putin wasn't ready to make this play on the global chessboard? Which is why the PTB like to keep the players busy, so they don't get time to think and respond, but are forced to react. Going slow is smart if one isn't ready to challenge the system, but if one waits too long, the board will get folded up and the game called based solely on time.... 'time waits for no one'. ;)
 
gdpetti said:
Which is why I was surprised that Russia didn't take or share data recordings with those seeking to investigate.... they could or should have been copied them and given to the various parties .. Malaysia, Russia, Ukraine, et al... and doing so in full public display, on camera for all to see, so that no one could cry foul play... not that they wouldn't do so anyway as they are already doing and will continue to do as this new attempt demonstrates. Maybe Putin wasn't ready to make this play on the global chessboard? Which is why the PTB like to keep the players busy, so they don't get time to think and respond, but are forced to react. Going slow is smart if one isn't ready to challenge the system, but if one waits too long, the board will get folded up and the game called based solely on time.... 'time waits for no one'. ;)

I was at first surprised too, yet it's probably pretty clear that many of the squares on the chessboard know that the dark horse has an empty hand - and the hidden one is not so hidden. The PTB dark horses are all about presenting a warped view to a selected few, selected as far as the totality of the globe goes - and the view is shifting? Even among the dark horses, many must know they are weak and subject to infighting, while tripping over each other trying to keep their lies straight (MH17 as a good example) - their Achilles Heel perhaps? Russia seems to see the drift of the board, and likely knows that the dark horses have limited moves, moves that are in desperation in trying to hold their empire together. And like Israel's physical wall, they have build an invisible wall around themselves, not realizing they have imprisoned themselves by their own nature. As for Russia waiting though, what else would be appropriate? If they advance too much with the big picture, the swarm might get even more nasty - at least more unpredictable? It seems to me, having to view the board on so many fronts, Russia's best moves are slow and well though out; like Crimea, just keep at tying up the advances while limiting the dark horse next moves to predictable measures, all the while creating allies of more squares that can see where the game is heading, who see the revealing - and see that the empire has no clothes.

As much as Russia is being attacked on so many fronts, the dark horses have extended their fronts to absurd levels. Their fronts seem so open that when they start to contract, there will be nothing left to help prop them up. Their fronts depend on the willingness and deception of others. What seems very possible is the contraction of their petrodollar first (and more of their allies will follow), which is their skeletal scaffold system that is holding up their show.

Unfortunately, these are deadly games and human beings have paid dearly. The dark horses have been stomping on people around the world for a long long time in effort to conclude their pathological endgame, to rule us all. However, rulers like this may have their day, yet history shows they never survive long enough to enjoy the sunset - and perhaps, as you say, the board will get folded up. At the very least, wishful thinking and all, humanities best hope would be for the dark horses to gallop off and disappear into some perpendicular reality where they will feel at home with their own kind...
 
Source: _http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/09/more-mh17-human-remains-being-flown-home/

More MH17 human remains being flown home

September 25, 2015

More human remains from the downing of flight MH17 over east Ukraine just over a year ago are being flown back to the Netherlands, the foreign affairs ministry said on Friday. The remains were found at the site of the crash and have been collected since May 1 by the local authorities. A Dutch team is currently in Ukraine to collect the remains, personal possessions and aircraft wreckage which have been stored in the village of Hrabove. They will be brought back to Amsterdam Schiphol airport on a scheduled flight from Charkov, where the military police will provide a suitable ceremonial reception. Just two of the victims have not yet been identified, and their families are invited to attend the arrival.

Report

The final report on the downing of flight MH17 will be published on October 13, according to the Dutch safety board which is leading the research project. The draft report was sent in June to the six countries involved in the tragedy and they were given 60 days to make comments. Relatives will be briefed before the final publication, the board said. All 298 people on board the plane were killed in the disaster. Most of them were Dutch holidaymakers.
 
For archiving purposes -- recent SOTT coverage:

http://www.sott.net/article/303078-Dutch-investigators-retrieve-MH17-debris-after-RT-doc-a-tad-late-no

http://www.sott.net/article/303247-Sott-Exclusive-Dutch-government-pursuing-Lockerbie-style-tribunal-to-prosecute-Russia-for-MH17
 
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