Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

Windmill knight said:
Seppo Ilmarinen said:
I watched the documentary but was disappointed by it. It's presented as balanced view, but imo still has suggestive tone that Russia is to blame, especially towards the end of documentary. It does present the idea that the motive to shoot down MH17 was to implement sanctions against Russia and strengthen NATO presence in Europe. Yet it's missing essential information when it shows evidence for both sides, and they're emphasizing a lot of Bellingcat group's "social media" evidence, which are used to debunk for example information presented by Russian department of defence and others. At last minutes of documentary MH17 victim's mother says how she doesn't believe the Russian propaganda and anything they say. People usually remember the ending better than the beginning, and i'm afraid this document will at best only strengthen the middle ground fallacy, and at worst will feed the 'Russians did it' narrative.

I'm not surprised. The BBC has a history of making such "balanced" documentaries on conspiracies and other fringe topics that end up being disguised reinforcements of the official narratives. They did it with 9-11 and others, so that's what I was expecting in this case.


Your assessment of the BBC is a "direct bulls-eye", Windmill Knight.


The sorry facts which show the BBC has moved beyond bias, into pure propaganda
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/05/06/the-abysmal-local-elections-coverage-shows-the-bbc-has-moved-beyond-bias-to-pure-propaganda/

May 6, 2016 - The BBC and its political editor Laura Kuenssberg are under fire this week, following local election coverage which has been dismissed as nothing short of propaganda by people across the country. But how did we get here?

Who runs the BBC? The current abysmal state of BBC News and Politics makes much more sense when you see who has been appointed to plot its editorial course.

The BBC Trust is responsible for granting licenses to all BBC outlets and stations, managing value for money on licence fee payments and ‘the direction of BBC editorial and creative output’. The Trust consists of 12 Trustees and is headed by Rona Fairhead – who also happens to have been a longtime board member of HSBC bank.

As The Canary’s James Wright reported earlier this year:

Fairhead has entrenched ties to the Tory government. In fact, she and Osborne are old friends. Fairhead worked for the Conservative government as a cabinet office member, until being appointed by the previous Conservative culture secretary – Sajid Javid – as the new head of the BBC Trust. She is still business ambassador for David Cameron.

Fairhead has also sat on the board of HSBC directors for a long time. And what is even more shocking than her other Conservative links are claims that she was actually appointed chairwoman of the BBC Trust to keep a lid on Cameron’s involvement in covering up a £1bn fraudulent HSBC scam on British shoppers. Whistle-blower Nicholas Wilson made various freedom of information requests that confirmed that Fairhead’s appointment did not follow proper procedure. She was rushed to the position after the application date closed, with no mention of her on any contemporary media shortlist.

Her appointment does not coincide with the normal process, and many questioned why a business tycoon was right for the job. What it did coincide with was a string of interconnected visits from the BBC, HSBC, the Houses of Parliament and the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) to Wilson’s website where he details the scam and the FCA and Cameron’s involvement in covering it up.

But the conflicts of interest do not stop at Fairhead.

The Director of News and Current Affairs at the BBC, James Harding, is a former employee of the Murdoch Press. While Editor of The Times newspaper, he was responsible for exposing the identity of police blogger NightJack by hacking the blogger’s email accounts – which his legal team then covered up during a court case against the action. Harding has also gone on the record as ‘pro Israel’.

This is the calibre of the figures responsible for hiring the news teams, presenters and journalists who will report on matters of hacking, privacy, and the Middle East.

These are not trivial conflicts of interests. The two individuals primarily responsible for driving the News and Politics agenda for the BBC, are instead driving forward their personal and professional causes – and the license fee payer is footing the bill.

What is the impact on reporting? These conflicts of interest affect the reporting of News and Politics at the BBC in a very real way. In 2013, researchers at Cardiff University undertook a major content analysis of BBC coverage – funded in part by the BBC Trust. They studied the impartiality of BBC reporting across several areas, including the Israel-Palestine conflict, the EU, business and economics, and politics.

The findings revealed that:
•Whichever party is in power, the Conservative party is granted more air time.

•On BBC News at Six, business representatives outnumbered trade union spokespersons by more than five to one (11 vs 2) in 2007 and by 19 to one in 2012.

•When it comes to the Financial Crisis, BBC coverage was almost completely dominated by stockbrokers, investment bankers, hedge fund managers and other City voices. Civil society voices or commentators who questioned the benefits of having such a large finance sector were almost completely absent from coverage.

On top of this, BBC reporting of Israel-Palestine has been woefully partisan – and in 2013, we found out one reason why.

In 2013, a devastating report by Electronic Intifada, revealed that Raffi Berg, online editor for BBC News, was instructing journalists to skew reports on Israel-Palestine in favour of Israel. While hundreds of Palestinians were losing their lives during Israel’s eight day assault on the Gaza strip in 2012, Berg was emailing journalists with ‘guidance’ to maintain a pro-Israel tone in their reports. This from the report:

In one, he asked BBC colleagues to word their stories in a way which does not blame or “put undue emphasis” on Israel for starting the prolonged attacks. Instead, he encouraged journalists to promote the Israeli government line that the “offensive” was “aimed at ending rocket fire from Gaza.”

This was despite the fact that Israel broke a ceasefire when it attacked Gaza on 14 November, a ceasefire which the Palestinians had been observing — firing no rockets into Israel.

In a second email, sent during the same period, Berg told BBC journalists:

“Please remember, Israel doesn’t maintain a blockade around Gaza. Egypt controls the southern border.”

He omitted to mention that the United Nations views Israel as the occupying power in Gaza and has called on Israel to end its siege of the Strip. Israel’s refusal to do so is a violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1860.”

Berg is still in his role.

All that’s left is propaganda Recently, these two vested interests – pro-neoliberalism and pro-Israel – converged on an area of common interest: opposition to Jeremy Corbyn.

This united bitter Blairites, Conservatives and pro-Israel groups – who ran perhaps the most toxic smear campaign against the Labour party and its leader in living memory. In the run up to the local elections on May 5, the headlines across the BBC and wider media’s flagship television and radio programs was not the 1 million people in the UK reliant on food banks to eat, but the intrigue of the smear campaign.

Prior to the elections, the reporting by Kuenssberg was dominated almost exclusively by claims of crisis within Labour, providing a platform to a minority of bitter Blairites, and applying pressure on Corbyn to stand aside – or at the very least prepare to.

On Friday morning – when Corbyn’s vote had not collapsed, but increased, compared to Miliband’s general election performance of 2015 – there was no apology for the wrongful prediction. Instead, the narrative wheeled on regardless. While the SNP lost their majority in Scotland, and Labour advanced in England and Wales – this was the BBC website’s response.

The situation brings to mind the moment when the BBC’s Andrew Marr interviewed Noam Chomsky about the role of the mainstream media as a propaganda service. Chomsky was discussing the role of self-censorship by journalists, and Marr repudiated the claim, asking:

“How can you know if I am self-censoring?” Arguing he had never been censored, or told what to think.

Chomsky calmly responds, as if he were explaining the non-existence of Santa Claus to a child:

“I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying, but what I’m saying is that if you believed something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting.”

And therein lies the rub with the role of the BBC, and the wider mainstream media, as a vehicle by which to advance the causes of those who own and run them. There is a monopoly of wealth and power in our society which translates directly into a monopoly of the media. The result is a staggering lack of diversity and pluralism of voices and opinions in the mainstream space. The media has become little more than a monotonous, relentless monologue – when as a country, and a world, we need to be having a conversation.


BBC Interviewer gets Schooled about Media Propaganda by Noam Chomsky (30 minute video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suFzznCHjko

Published on Jan 13, 2016

The BBC interviewer tries to argue that the media never promotes propaganda, or has any type of medium intrinsic bias; he gets well and truly screwed on every point he tries to make. The irony is that Andrew Marr's total belief that he's not spewing out propaganda or is too establishment leaning is exactly the reason why the BBC gave him his job.
 
Just a short note: BBC just got kicked out of North Korea.

North Korea expels BBC crew for ‘distorted’ coverage
https://www.rt.com/uk/342362-bbc-north-korea-detained/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS
 
Just came across this - the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada has lodged a complaint against the BBC's documentary film titled "Secret documents: who shot down MH17?" and it's expression "civil war" in it's reference to the conflict in Donbass. Not siding with the BBC, but even the United Nations has declared the war in Donbass, to be a Civil War.

Ukraine Accuses BBC of a Biased Interpretation of the Conflict in Donbass
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/05/ukraine-accuses-bbc-of-biased.html

Deputies of the Verkhovna Rada appealed to the British Broadcasting Corporation and the Minister of Culture of Great Britain with the requirement to abandon the expression "civil war" when describing the conflict in Donbass.

As was reported on the Facebook of MP Svitlana Zalishchuk, the Committee on Foreign Affairs reacted to the BBC film about the MH17 accident in the East of Ukraine.

According to her, the expression "civil war" used by the authors of the film is a "Russian stamp", and instead it is required to use the terms "Russian aggression" and "occupation".

The Verkhovna Rada considers the use of the term "civil war" to be "biased and deceptive", says the document published by Svetlana Zalishchuk.

Deputies of the Ukrainian Parliament also demanded that the BBC offer an official explanation.

The BBC, on May 3rd, showed a documentary film titled "Secret documents: who shot down MH17?". The film deals with various versions of the tragedy, including the positions of Russia, Ukraine, and the United States.

Kiev regularly accuses Moscow of being involved in the conflict in the South-East of Ukraine, although Moscow has repeatedly stated that it is completely uninvolved in the events in Donbass, it is not a party to the domestic conflict, and is interested in Ukraine overcoming the political and economic crisis.
 
Apparently, the show must go on: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160514/1039594282/mh17-crash-satellite-images.html

New Satellite Image Shows Buk System Position During MH17 Crash in Ukraine

Military & Intelligence 00:55 14.05.2016

The US private intelligence firm Stratfor has obtained images that show the exact location of a Buk air defense system on July 17, 2014, when the Malaysian MH17 plane crashed in Ukraine.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) – But the images do not prove, however, that the system fired, the company said in a report on Friday.

"The imagery shows the air defense system, mounted atop a trans-loader, being transported east through the Donetsk town of Makiivka," the report stated. "The new imagery obtained by Stratfor does not prove that this particular Buk system fired a missile at the airliner."

The intelligence firm, which obtained the imagery through its partner AllSource Analysis, said the satellite pictures were taken about five hours before the Malaysian airliner was shot down.

Stratfor argued that the imagery "further substantiates the narrative being pieced together by the collective analysis of open-source information," which argues that the plane was shot from a location near the town of Snizhne in the vicinity of Donetsk.

A Malaysia Airlines plane crashed on July 17, 2014, in eastern Ukraine after being shot down en route to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam. All 298 people on board were killed. Ukraine and pro-independence militia in the country's southeast have blamed each other for the downing of the MH17 flight.

n October 2015, the Dutch Safety Board investigators issued a report that said that the Malaysia Airlines aircraft appeared to have been downed using a Russia-produced Buk surface-to-air missile system but without identifying the exact location from where the missile was fired.

The Russian arms manufacturer that builds Buk missile systems, Almaz-Antey, conducted its own probe into the crash confirming that it was the surface-to-air missile that hit the jet and adding that it could only have been launched in the region of Zaroshchenske that was allegedly controlled by the Ukrainian forces at the time of the crash.

Other news articles:

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160505/1039151196/mh17-bellingcat-report.html [Ex-Russian Army Official Slams New Bellingcat Report on MH17 Crash]
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160505/1039150231/maria-zakharova-bbc-documentary-comment.html [Balanced Viewpoint? BBC Snubs Moscow During Making of MH17 Documentary]

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160504/1039073602/mh17-crash-dsb-probe.html [Dutch Safety Board Concludes MH17 Probe as 'Sufficient Material' Gathered]:
The Dutch Safety Board (DSB) has closed its investigation into the causes of the MH17 flight crash and is not planning to reopen despite reports and investigations which have been published afterwards, a DSB spokeswoman told Sputnik on Wednesday, stressing that the board had sufficient materials for their report.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Flight MH17, with 298 people on board, crashed on July 17, 2014, in eastern Ukraine after being shot down en route to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam, leaving no survivors. Most of the victims were Dutch citizens. Donbass independence supporters and the Kiev-led forces were fighting in the region at the time of the crash, and traded blame for the incident.

"The Dutch Safety Board had sufficient sources and materials to draw the final conclusions," Sara Vernooij said, reminding that the DSB presented the final report into the causes of the crash of flight MH17 in October 2015.

"The investigation into the causes of the crash is closed by publishing the final reports," she reiterated.

Dutch investigators published a report in October 2015 that said that the Malaysia Airlines aircraft appeared to have been downed using a Russia-produced Buk surface-to-air missile system. It did not identify the exact location from where the missile was fired. The Russian arms manufacturer that builds Buk missile systems, Almaz-Antey, conducted a separate probe into the crash, finding that the missile which hit the plane could only have been launched by a Buk system located in the region of Zaroshchenske, controlled by Kiev forces at the time of the incident.

On Tuesday, the BBC Two television channel aired a documentary titled "The Conspiracy Files: Who Shot Down MH17?" that covered various theories of the Malaysian Airlines flight MH17's crash in conflict-torn eastern Ukraine in 2014.

The documentary presented several versions of what could have led to the crash of the flight MH17, and as a BBC spokesperson said, the documentary took a "balanced viewpoint" in reporting different theories pertaining to the fate of the crashed plane. The documentary also examined in detail the findings of the Dutch probe into the incident.
 
A lawsuit with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) over downing of MH17 flight in 2014 is legally null and void, a senior Russian lawmaker said Saturday.

Russian Senator Dismisses Australian MH17 Lawsuit as ‘Null And Void’
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160521/1040023899/russian-senator-mh17-lawsuit.html

The Sydney law firm LHD Lawyers was reported to file a lawsuit seeking $7.2 million on behalf of five families of Australian victims from Russia and Russian President Vladimir Putin earlier in the day.

"There is not a single piece of evidence of Russian involvement in the Boeing-777 crash in Donbas [eastern Ukraine]. The lawsuit against our country filed with the ECHR in this case is legally null and void and has no prospects," Franz Klintsevich, deputy chair of the Russian upper house of parliament’s defense and security committee, told reporters.

Klintsevich noted that the lawsuit hampers the ongoing five-country investigation of the crash, noting his personal interest in an objective and comprehensive probe.

"I think we have every reason to objectively interpret the lawsuit, regardless of the intentions of its authors, as an element of psychological warfare waged against Russia," he stressed.
 
Thanks again for posting, angelburst29.

Meanwhile, another new law suit has been launched which probably will meet similar criticism from the Russian side:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3602208/Australian-families-MH17-victims-sue-10million-passenger-result-largest-aviation-payout-history.html (7 photos and 2 videos omitted)

Australian lawsuit demands $10million EACH for the families of MH17 air disaster victims and will seek to prove Putin and Russia hid their involvement in the shooting down of the jet liner

* The next of kin of MH17 victims each claim $10 million in compensation
* Eight claimants named are from Australia and one is from New Zealand
* The claim was put forward to the European Court of Human Rights
* They are suing Russia over claims they hid their involvement in crash
* The families are being represented by Sydney legal firm LHD lawyers


By Martha Azzi For Daily Mail Australia

Published: 11:53 GMT, 21 May 2016 | Updated: 13:30 GMT, 21 May 2016

Families of Australians killed on-board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 are seeking $10 million in compensation per passenger.

The victims, represented by Sydney legal firm LHD lawyers, served the claim to the European Court of Human Rights on May 9.

They are planning to sue the Russian Federation and President Vladimir Putin over claims the nation has hidden its involvement in the downing of the plane by a missile over Ukraine in 2014, the Age reports.

The 3,500-page document notes that the Russian Federation has failed to assist in any investigation and has instead attempted to conceal its involvement.

Of the 298 people on board MH17 who died, 38 were Australian. In the application, 33 next of kin were named which included eight from Australia, a New Zealander, and the remainder are from Malaysia.

If the claim is successful it can result in one of the largest payouts in the history of aviation with the bill reaching almost $3 billion.

Co-associate of Sydney law firm LHD and a leading aviation law specialist, Jerry Skinner, is leading the 3500-page claim.

'My clients want accountability for the deed. They want enough money to reflect that the Russians take this seriously and serve as a deterrent,' Mr Skinner told Fairfax Media.

'I have encouraged the Russians to contact me to discuss how much money that is ... but I have heard nothing from Russia, from their embassy or from the contact points that we established to indicate that they are willing to talk about negotiating.

Mr Skinner who has advocated for families victimized by almost every major U.S. airline disaster since 1989 is also recognized for settling claims by families of the 270 killed in the Lockerbie bombing in 1988, which saw Libya offer up to US$2.7 billion in compensation, representing US$10 million per family.

The parents of 25-year-old aerospace engineer Fatima Dyczynski say despite having lost their daughter almost two years ago they are still speechless.

Her parents, Jerzy and Angela, say Fatima will forever be a source of inspiration.

Tim Lauschet, the son of Sydney teacher Gabriele Lauschet, is also named as a claimant.

Once a hard-working building industry supervisor, 24-year-old Tim Lauschet had turned into an angry person who lost his temper and was terrible to be around at work.

'When that plane went down, I lost my family. [Mum] wasn't just a family member, she was my whole and complete family,' he said.

Mr Lauschet said his life fell apart financially since the tragedy and he had been forced to sell his mother's house.

This lawsuit differs to the one which will be put forward in the coming weeks on behalf of seven Australian families.

The claim, expected to be filed in the Federal court of Australia, seeks unspecified damages from Malaysia Airlines over its failure to avoid the flight path over Ukraine.

The Dutch investigation found that the missile contained a Russian made warhead which detonated one metre from the left side of the plane's cockpit at 1.20pm local time.

The explosion sent 800 fragments to perforate the aircraft and caused the cockpit to tear off from the business class section of the plane.

The fragments, which were cube or bow tie shaped, entered the plane and later were found 'in the bodies of the crew'.

Australian forensic Professor David Ransom concluded that all the passengers died or lost consciousness 'shortly after the aircraft was struck'.
 
This sounds like it was an interesting meeting but no details beyond President Putin and the Malaysian PM Razak met at Sochi on Friday. Why is the Joint Investigation Team waiting until "October" to present their findings?

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has noted progress in the investigation of Malaysia Airlines' plane crash in Ukraine in mid-2014.

Malaysian PM Notes MH17 Crash Probe Progress After Meeting With Putin
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160521/1040030037/razak-putin-mh17.html

21.05.2016 - Russian President Vladimir Putin has held a meeting with Najib on the sidelines of the summit between Russia and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations that ended in Sochi on Friday. According to Russia's presidential aide Yuri Ushakov, the issue of the Malaysian Boeing-777 crash in southeastern Ukraine was on the meeting's agenda.

"I see that we have started on positive steps towards seeking justice for the family members and victims of MH17 when the Russian President and I reached an agreement that follow-up action will be determined after the results of the investigation are presented by the Joint Investigation Team in October," Najib said, as quoted by The Star media outlet.
 
Another game changer and brilliant move by Putin!

Malaysia Begins Their Own Investigation Into the "Boeing" Tragedy
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/05/malaysia-begins-their-own-investigation.html

25th May, 2016 - The meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister of Malaysia Najib Razak on the sidelines of the ASEAN - Russia in Sochi has caused panic among the Ukrainian authorities. As is known, the two leaders agreed to coordinate an investigation into the downed "Boeing" over Ukraine in the framework of a joint working group.

After a meeting with Vladimir Putin, Najib Razak noted the progress in the case of the "Boeing", which crashed in 2014 over Donbass. "I saw that we made positive steps on the path to justice for families and victims of MH17 when the Russian President and I agreed that after our next steps will be determined, we will outline the research results of the joint investigation team in October," said a statement published on the website of the Prime Minister. He also urged all parties not to succumb to speculation and not to come to premature conclusions. However, the Minister of Transport of Malaysia sent a letter to the Dutch Commission on the investigation of the tragedy with the Boeing, requesting to include Russian experts in its composition.

At the request of Petro Poroshenko, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Pavlo Klimkin contacted by phone the US Secretary of State John Kerry and complained to the latter that Russia has dragged Malaysia to its side. Klimkin appealed to Kerry to urge them to take steps in order to disrupt the emerging Russia and Malaysia joint investigation into the causes of the disaster.

Poroshenko and his clique understand that the lack of real evidence of Russia's involvement in the downed "Boeing" makes Malaysia the first country to seek the truth about whether and under what circumstances the airplane crashed. Malaysia in this case has more right than any other country due to the passengers whom died in the crash.

In fact, with this step Malaysia expressed distrust towards the results of the investigation, which was conducted by the Dutch Investigative Commission.

The sharp turn of Malaysia to Russia is in itself sufficiently eloquent. Kuala Lumpur praised the willingness of Russia from the first days of the tragedy to make all information available to Malaysian investigators. Malaysia insisted Russian experts were included in the investigation group of the tragedy. However, this was not done. The Dutch Commission did not include a single Russian expert and ignored all the competent Russian organizations that conducted their independent investigation into the tragedy. We are talking in particular about the famous report of the Corporation "Almaz-Antey", which experimentally reproduced the last minutes before the collapse of the "Boeing". However, this report was ignored by the investigators of the Netherlands.

Accumulated dissatisfaction with the progress of the investigation sparked the Prime Minister of Malaysia's initiative to establish a joint group to investigate the reasons for the investigation of "Boeing".

As soon as the guests left the Sochi summit, the Minister of Transport of Malaysia Liow Tiong Lai sent a letter to the Commission of Inquiry of the Netherlands with the requirement to include representatives of Russia in all expert groups.

This circumstance caused panic in Kiev, where they realized they cannot refuse Malaysia's claim, threatening an international scandal, but also Kiev fears to allow Russian experts.

Such a sharp and inadequate response by Poroshenko and his Minister Klimkin only shows that in Ukraine, the fear of disclosure of all the details of the tragedy that will eventually point to the involvement of Kiev.

Washington doesn't know how to respond to the initiative of Malaysia, because regardless of the possible participation of Russian experts in the work of the Dutch investigative Commission, Russia and Malaysia have already agreed to announce the results of its own investigation in October 2016.
 
Good catch, angelburst29. Thanks for finding and sharing. :cool2:

Looks like a promising new development and I'm very curious as to the reactions of the other parties involved.
 
Palinurus said:
Good catch, angelburst29. Thanks for finding and sharing. :cool2:

Looks like a promising new development and I'm very curious as to the reactions of the other parties involved.

Good catch Indeed, and it is having an affect - it "has caused panic among the Ukrainian authorities". One has to laugh at Poroshenko complaining to Kerry concerning Russia's sway over Malaysia on this matter.
 
From: http://www.nltimes.nl/2016/05/31/half-mh17-survivors-risk-severe-psychiatric-problems/

Half of MH17 survivors at risk of severe psychiatric problems

Posted on May 31, 2016 by Janene Pieters

A massive 53 percent of the people who lost a relative in the MH17 disaster on July 17th, 2014 are at risk of developing severe psychiatric problems, according to a study done by a group of Dutch mourning experts. One in eight of the survivors already suffered with severe mental health problems a year after the disaster, the Volkskrant reports.

Psychiatric problems among the survivors range from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), severe or very severe depression to complicated grief – a psychological state in which people can not get over the loss of a loved one. A year later they are still trapped in grief with their mental state constantly in a panic.

According to Jos de Keijser, professor on complex mourning at the University of Groningen and leader of this study, the results of this still ongoing study are not unexpected given the seriousness of the disaster. He even finds the fact that 12 percent of the survivors are suffering with severe psychiatric problems “on the low side’, he said according to the newspaper. That group was already diagnosed and can receive treatment. He is more concerned about the 53 percent in the danger zone.

Despite these concerns, De Keijser thinks that the results of the study mainly show proof of “so much resilience”. “That people were able to already make something of their lives a year after such a traumatic event, I find very good.” he said to the newspaper.

About a thousand direct relatives – people who lost a spouse, child or other family member in the disaster – were approached to participate in this study last year. About a fifth agreed. The study was funded by the victim aid foundation Slachtofferhulp, on the condition that mourning experts from different institutions work on it together. In addition to De Keijser, psychology professor Paul Boelen at Utrecht University and Geert Smid of Centrum 45 also worked on the study.

A total of 298 people were killed when flight MH17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July 2014.
 
angelburst29 said:
Published Jan. 1, 2016:

Netherlands takes over EU presidency as asylum issue looms
http://www.nltimes.nl/2016/01/01/netherlands-takes-over-eu-presidency-as-asylum-issue-looms/

Starting today the Netherlands is the president of the European Union. And with divided politicians, critical citizens and international tensions putting the Union under pressure, Prime Minister Mark Rutte and his ministers are set to have a difficult term, according to broadcaster NOS.

[...]

The Netherlands will also have to deal with the so-called Brexit during its term as EU president in the first six months of this year. The United Kingdom government plans to hold a referendum on whether the UK will remain in the EU before the end of this year. British Prime Minister David Cameron made a number of demands and thinks that his country will only stay part of Europe if they are granted.

Then there is the Ukraine. In addition to dealing with the aftermath of the MH17 disaster and war in the east, there is also the association agreement to deal with. The EU and Ukraine agreed on closer political and economic cooperation in 2014, but the Netherlands will hold a referendum on the matter on April 8th. While the results are by no means binding, a “no” will put the Dutch government in a difficult position. Disappoint their own people? Or go back on the “yes” they already gave in 2014.

I have to admit, I don't know a lot about the European Union and it's inner workings. Information entered earlier in the thread mentioned the Netherlands taking over term as EU President for period of 6 months. I just came across an article stating that Slovakia will be taking up the EU Presidency starting on June 1st.

Question which came to mind, "With the Netherlands stepping back from their control of the EU, after working closely with Ukraine, will this have any affect on the outcome of the MH17 investigation"? I'm thinking in terms of - Malaysia now teaming up with Russia in conducting their own investigation?

European Commission Worried About Slovak Presidency Agenda in Council of EU
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160601/1040592390/slovakia-eu-slovakia-presidency.html

The European Commission is concerned about Slovakia taking up the presidency of the Council of the European Union on July 1, local media reported Wednesday.

Slovak presidency of the Council of the European Union will last from July until December.
 
Question which came to mind, "With the Netherlands stepping back from their control of the EU, after working closely with Ukraine, will this have any affect on the outcome of the MH17 investigation"? I'm thinking in terms of - Malaysia now teaming up with Russia in conducting their own investigation?

Difficult question to get an answer to, as the presidency function has no direct bearing on the issues you mention.

The presidency gives a member state some influence on agenda priorities, wheeling and dealing behind the scenes (euphemistically called brokerage and supposedly entirely neutral), administrative expediency or obstruction, and more of the like. Its influence is diminished by the troika form which means the former, current and prospective presidential countries work together as a trio for eighteen months while only one of them (the middle one) is the actual and current presidential office holder. This is supposed to guarantee continuity.

More info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

http://www.euwatcher.eu/blog/looking-ahead-the-dutch-eu-presidency-in-2016/
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=320907 [Four priorities outlined for Slovak EU Presidency]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-jacobsen/the-2016-eu-presidency-co_b_9691630.html
http://eu2016.sk16.eu/slovakia_eu_presidency_2016/

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21685454-every-six-months-council-european-union-gets-new-president-recipe
 
Palinurus said:
Question which came to mind, "With the Netherlands stepping back from their control of the EU, after working closely with Ukraine, will this have any affect on the outcome of the MH17 investigation"? I'm thinking in terms of - Malaysia now teaming up with Russia in conducting their own investigation?

Difficult question to get an answer to, as the presidency function has no direct bearing on the issues you mention.

The presidency gives a member state some influence on agenda priorities, wheeling and dealing behind the scenes (euphemistically called brokerage and supposedly entirely neutral), administrative expediency or obstruction, and more of the like. Its influence is diminished by the troika form which means the former, current and prospective presidential countries work together as a trio for eighteen months while only one of them (the middle one) is the actual and current presidential office holder. This is supposed to guarantee continuity.

More info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

http://www.euwatcher.eu/blog/looking-ahead-the-dutch-eu-presidency-in-2016/
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=320907 [Four priorities outlined for Slovak EU Presidency]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-jacobsen/the-2016-eu-presidency-co_b_9691630.html
http://eu2016.sk16.eu/slovakia_eu_presidency_2016/

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21685454-every-six-months-council-european-union-gets-new-president-recipe

I appreciate your knowledge and assessment on the inner workings of the European Union, Palinurus.

I tend to find their activities confusing, maybe because I haven't done an indepth study on the organization, it's basic purpose and what it's main objectives are. One of these days, I'll get around to it.

In the meantime, "Thanks" for the additional links, to help me get started.
 
Further confirmation on Malaysia's and Russia's cooperation for independent inquiry of MH17 crash:

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/05/21/najib-met-putin-to-seek-justice-for-mh17/
http://www.australiannationalreview.com/malaysia-start-independent-investigation-mh17-tragedy/
 
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