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aimarok said:

It's "Royal Rife Story" on http://rifevideos.com/.

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Ok so this is a treasure trove thanks for this aimorok

monotonic said:

I heard about the microwave experiments before but I'm not enthusiastic about that. If you blast an embryonic organism with microwaves, well yeah, something's gonna get screwed up. When you do that to humans it's called RF burns in extreme cases, cancer or chronic fatigue or diabetes in other cases. If the researchers thought blasting embryos with microwave radiation was a good idea, then it wouldn't be surprising if they drew on similar abilities to stretch logic to determine that the results of their experiments were some other healthy animal. So, where is the data? Do we have evidence that these experiments really had the results that were claimed? This is something that should be verified due ethics and safety concerns.

And while we're on the topic of electro-genetic experimentation involving applying microwaves to baby animals, can we take some time to discuss the ethics and safety of the way we pursue our experiments?

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I hear what you're saying here. However, I am not convinced that we can deem ALL EM radiation (microwave or otherwise) as inherently destructive. The devil is in the details OSIT. We obviously are made up of many different EM frequencies if we consider how we do actually test for different things within the body and other places. I also don't think I could ever experiment on animals. Hell i don't even like it when my cats come into the room before i turn something on that's high voltage. Strangely enough they get really curious and close when i do something like that which prompts me to get them out and close the door.

Furthermore, I tend towards being the type of guy to try something on myself first before letting anyone else do it.

And for the record...If I am not mistakened the frog egg to salamander experiments were done with green laser light or maybe a carbon dioxide laser as opposed to microwaves. Can't find the specific reference right now though :(.


Interesting tidbit here

rifevideos said:

Because this information is so IMPORTANT we need to re-emphasize this fact so that no one who reads this information misunderstands. If you just use the audio frequencies by themselves you will not produce Dr. Rife's frequencies. If you just use the 3.30 Megahertz carrier without the correct audio frequencies (shown above in the chart) you will not produce Dr. Rife's frequencies. The correct audio frequencies used in this instrument MUST be combined with an RF carrier frequency of 3.30 Megahertz or they are useless and will not produce any of Dr. Rife's high RF frequencies. It is the high RF sideband frequencies that are produced by the combining or modulating of the audio frequencies and the 3.30 MHz fixed carrier frequency that killed or devitalized the microorganisms. Because this interaction between the audio frequencies and the 3.30 megahertz carrier frequency was not understood, is the reason the 1950’s Beam Ray Clinical replica instrument called the AZ-58 did not work to its full capability.

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I was hoping at first that they were simply low em frequencies but if he was in fact using higher frequencies along with the ones found in the list. Then this could become a bit more complex. Either way I do think you're right as for testing and documenting the results. Before any of that is done everything mentioned here is only hearsay.

monotonic said:

Why don't we list our capabilities and knowledge, and then choose an experiment that we can each contribute to and is within our means? If it involves building a non-advanced electronic device to make an EM field or measure something specific, that's something I can help with.

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This is a good idea. I am not sure if the title expert would apply to me in anyone one of these fields but my initial background is in Chemistry/Physical Chemistry then side projects or interest include Coding ( for embedded electronics/micro-processors and algorithms etc), Electrical engineering & Electronics, and Physics. With the competency in that order I think? lol

As far as equipment goes I have a few power supplies. One really durable high power (can alter the voltage or current independently) one and two high voltage (30 KV) with one being DC and the other AC (It's kind of like a hand-held tesla coil that was given to me at my last job). Aside from those I have a pseudo vacuum chamber but I haven't been able to get the hoses that I would need yet to get that up and running, and also various small electrical components from motherboards and such. Ah and last but not least I also have a huge transformer and a Magnetron..but not sure if those last few items would be useful for our device.

Lastly I only have a small oscilloscope that is maybe reliable up to 90 or 100kHz. It could maybe produce some of the slower frequencies but definitely not 3.3MHz.

It seems like everything will have to be tuned and customized. And possibly a variable tank circuit that can be tuned to different frequencies that correspond to his list. I don't think it would be as expensive to build one as it would be to buy a rife generator but that will take know how and understanding. Which shouldn't be a bad trade-off. Knowing how something works and being able to build it is much better than having to rely on whether or not you can purchase it.

Lastly I only have a small oscilloscope that is maybe reliable up to 90 or 100kHz. It could maybe produce some of the slower frequencies but definitely not 3.3MHz.

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UDB1108S is probably the cheapest, around 60 bucks, signal generator able to cover all needed frequencies. Check Spooky2 page on it: http://www.spooky2.com/generators/original/index.html

aimarok said:

Lastly I only have a small oscilloscope that is maybe reliable up to 90 or 100kHz. It could maybe produce some of the slower frequencies but definitely not 3.3MHz.

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UDB1108S is probably the cheapest, around 60 bucks, signal generator able to cover all needed frequencies. Check Spooky2 page on it: http://www.spooky2.com/generators/original/index.html

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This is nice. Thank You!

I've been looking through that Rife website. Here are some interesting points:

1: The main thing wrong with early machines was that the oscillators drifted badly in frequency. It seems the engineers weren't good enough to make a stable oscillator. These days it is trivial. We could make an exact oscillator and wouldn't need to bother with sweeps or mixing, unless there was a benefit to powerful harmonics. It could also be the case that within a species of pathogen there are slight variances so each pathogen is sensitive to a slightly different frequency, in which case slight sweeping of an exact oscillator would be more effective.

2: The most effective machine used an RF mixer to produce a spray of frequencies that would cover a range of different pathogens. It was said to be so effective that it couldn't be used for research as it would kill off every pathogen under test. In the text the only reason given for this is that it was able to cover all frequencies.

A question I think we should ask is, what would we use this for? I think it's misguided to use it as a substitute for a healthy lifestyle.

Personally, I'm more interested in the Hieronymous machine. It would allow us to detect substances in food, detect toxins such as heavy metals in the body, etc. It would provide lots of information.

What do you guys think about Hulda Clark's "zapper" for killing pathogens. I've built a few based on schematic and instructions in her books and also purchased a couple over the years. It uses a 9 volt battery and operates in the 20 to 40 KHz range. It's supposed to have been discovered by accident that if you use DC, positive offset, you don't have to match the particular frequency for each pathogen, but will kill them all wherever the current reaches (she used to use a frequency generator before this discovery). Using it for three 7 minutes sessions with 20 to 30 minutes between each session is how to use it for most infections (but the current doesn't reach well into the intestines, testicles, and the eyeball). There's been some discussions on it all here on the forum over the years. If you all are going to experiment with these ideas, might be worth looking into experimenting with the zapper as well.

There's also a list of pathogen frequencies in her book "The Cure for All Diseases." Also she has instructions on how to build a "Synchrometer" (which is an audio oscillator circuit) and how to use it to test and find different toxic substances and pathogens in different tissues (these can also be purchased). I've never built one of these or purchased one, so haven't tried how well it works. There's instructions on how to practice the probing to get accurate results when feedback is heard. I wonder if this type of testing can be improved upon by the techies here. Just thought I'd throw this out because I discovered Hulda Clark's work in the mid 90's several years after reading about Rife for the first time, and had some remarkable results with health issues my mother had at the time.

I've looked at the electronics for the Clark resonance stuff. It has nothing to do with any resonance exhibited by the actual specimen. It depends on the resistance of the specimen which depends on pressure and it's natural resistance. The only way it could work beyond that is if it acted as an unintentional dowsing tool. I notice there are many things like this, where the user may think the machine is doing the work when in fact the machine is only acting as a dowsing tool.

As for the zapper thing, it sounds too much like free lunch to say that you just twiddle the knob here and then all your parasites die. I guess it's worth testing though. But how to test?

I tend to think that if these technologies work, it's probably often not in the way they are claimed to.

To keep in the flow of Rife science, not only do we have to use certain frequencies in order to achieve results but, we also have to address modulated frequencies vs un-modulated ones, sine wave frequencies vs square wave one and the duty cycle.

So as one can see, it is not as easy as turning a machine on and off.

So modulated freq are freq that are in simple terms piggy backed onto a higher freq, a carrier freq ( like radio stations). When you work that way you do not feel any sensation as the freq enter the body. (as you could if you did not use a carrier freq) Freq above 200 000htz broadcast very well, between 20 000 and 200 000 will broadcast to some degree, below 20 000do not broadcast at all and you then need a carrier for them.

Un-modulated freq go into the body through electrical current. You feel the tingling sensation. This is due to the body's resistance. Somehow this way seems to work well with situations on the surface (own experience) and inflammation challenges.

People are reporting good results with both ones. So neither one is better than the other, they just work differently.

Square vs sine wave. Square wave seems to work better when using low freq. Low freq sits more in the infections window (all types) so they will work more with the MORA rates (Mortal Oscillatory Rate) Also the square part of the wave seems to hit harder whatever you work on , that might because they seem to produce more harmonics. The sine wave are used in the higher frequencies. I personally use them also for stimulating purposes.

Duty cycles:
When using frequencies we do not send the freq on a permanent basis, we go on and off and this is the duty cycle. Going that way hits harder. It is like pulling on something hard and shaking it in the same time. You get better results. So usually you will use duty cycles between 50% and 90% of the time you send the freq. When using freq for stimulations (Ex: stimulating immune sys.) you do not use a duty cycle and you send the freq permanent. We do not try to hit here but rather stimulate.

We will need to address the sidebands and the sweeping later.

To answer monotonic, true knowledge comes from experimentation. I do have 2 zappers that I use once in a while, They do carry un-modulated frequencies of 44Hz square wave applied on veins and it zaps (kill) whatever pathogen is there. They do work although it takes some times.
I have had good results with schizophrenics, autism, PMS and others.

May I suggest you buy one and try it before anything else.

I don't doubt the zapper works. I don't embrace the gray areas of information here, but that doesn't mean there isn't a real phenomenon.

About sine vs square waves. When you have a medium resonating in it's resonant modes (divisions of it's wavelength), the harmonics of the stimulating signal will also appear in the medium (which due to mechanical resonance modes will be sensitive to harmonics as well). So if your stimulating signal is a sawtooth wave, the sawtooth shape will also appear in the medium. Now you can imagine that when you cause smooth ripples (sine) inside or on the surface of a cell, it may not be as stressful as jagged ripples from a square wave or sawtooth wave. So it makes perfect sense to me that a waveform rich in harmonics would enhance the breakdown of resonating cells. If you stretch a long rubber band and pluck it at one end you can actually see the sawtooth waveform oscillate, concentrating tension at the corners of the waveform.

As for duty cycle, if your frequency is slightly off the resonance will surge and then fall off. In this case it would make sense if the gating acts to stimulate this surge repeatedly. If this is the case, then it's another problem that an exact signal generator may solve.

As for frequency ranges, the human body impedance model provides some insight:

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/64/3/388S.full.pdf

Above 2KHz or so, electric current begins to flow through the intracellular fluid. Above 50KHz or so most of the current does. The range between 2KHz and 50KHz is the transition to intracellular conduction.

Do we know for sure that the Rife frequencies correspond to the mechanical resonance of cells? Or is it possible that the frequencies stimulate certain body enzymes or systems?

At any rate, it is possible to somewhat crudely model resonant pathogens in an electronic simulator. To be honest though, it seems most of this has already been worked out for us. Maybe the best course is just to buy the generator that was suggested earlier, and see if that gets sufficient results. An amplifier could be used to increase the power output to the recommended levels.

Greetings all continuing enthusiasts,

I see many different approaches being discussed and I don't quite know where to jump back in or contribute. I have so much to learn it's seems like a daunting task. For now I thought I would just sum up the links shared and try to continue learning.

Here is a list of many of the suggested links I have seen so far in the thread:

Organizations:

_http://www.rife.org/

_http://www.rifedigital.com/

_http://www.resonantlight.ca/

_http://www.2qpt.com/

_http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/64/3/388S.full.pdf

_http://www.fsm4u.com/index.html


Machines

_http://www.frequencyrising.com/rifemachine-compare.html

_http://www.thegb4000.com/

_http://www.spooky2.com/generators/newModel/index.html

_http://rifedigital.com/order/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=3

_http://www.spooky2.com/generators/original/index.html


Frequency Manuals

_http://rifevideos.com/dr_rifes_true_original_frequencies.html

_http://www.rifedigitalmachines.com/frequency-list.html

_http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Frequency-Holistic-technology-diseases/dp/0966835239


Hieronymus Machine

_http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hieronymus_machine&useskin=monobook

_http://www.therichest.com/business/technology/the-bizarre-story-of-americas-only-psychic-patent/

_http://www.rexresearch.com/hieronym/1hieron.htm

There may be more links discussed in the future that can be added but I thought it might be some help to see them together. I did have the links as active urls but they wouldn't open adding the https so I added the underscore. It's not as nice but I guess this is suggested for better security purposes.

Goyacobol, there is a good thread on the Hieronymous machine which brings together multiple sources:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31268.0.html

monotonic said:

Goyacobol, there is a good thread on the Hieronymous machine which brings together multiple sources:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31268.0.html

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monotonic,

When you mentioned you were more interested in Hieronymous machine I checked out some information and added some links here without realizing there is already a thread under the Science section. I did find it interesting since T. Galen Hieronymous was from Pittsburgh, PA and did some tests near Camp Hill, PA. I live in PA and used to work near Camp Hill and that got my attention.

I think this machine is also one I would have missed if not for your mention of it. I thought I had all the transcripts saved but it looks like more have been added to the transcribed ones that I have saved previously in .pdf format. I need to go back and catch up with what I am missing.

1998 where Hieronymous is mentioned has several I need to add and probably others. There really is no place that I know of to search the newly transcribed sessions if you don't save them in one place. You only have the links to them individually.

Anyway, it would be nice if the Hieronymous thread was closer to this one or vice/versa so we could notice their relationship easier Once threads get started they have a life of their own. I am going to continue reading what the C's have to say about T. Galen Hieronymous.

Thanks,

goyacobol

monotonic said:

A question I think we should ask is, what would we use this for? I think it's misguided to use it as a substitute for a healthy lifestyle.

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I don't see anyone advocating not having a healthy lifestyle, so I don't know why you think this. As for usefulness, using a Rife machine safely and effectively seems extremely useful. We are under attack and need defenses. The C's said learn the modes of attack and counteract them.

hlat said:

monotonic said:

A question I think we should ask is, what would we use this for? I think it's misguided to use it as a substitute for a healthy lifestyle.

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I don't see anyone advocating not having a healthy lifestyle, so I don't know why you think this. As for usefulness, using a Rife machine safely and effectively seems extremely useful. We are under attack and need defenses. The C's said learn the modes of attack and counteract them.

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monotonic said:

A question I think we should ask is, what would we use this for? I think it's misguided to use it as a substitute for a healthy lifestyle.

Personally, I'm more interested in the Hieronymous machine. It would allow us to detect substances in food, detect toxins such as heavy metals in the body, etc. It would provide lots of information.

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hlat noticed the "a substitute for a healthy lifestyle." part I kind of breezed past it and checked out Hieronymous machine.

I hope we all see this may not be the best approach at collaborating and connecting heart charkras. Since there is already a thread for the Hieronymous machine why not just continue that research separately and allow those who see the value in the Rife machine as worthwhile to continue here in this thread.

As for myself I don't think the Cs would have mentioned either Hieronymous or Rife unless there was something maybe useful to learn. I can envision even the healthiest of lifestyles being overcome by who knows what plagues may befall us (cometary or Ebola). Not everyone on the planet even has a computer to do the research we are allowed.

If we are to be of service to others or at least trying to go in that direction should we pre-judge whether or not they are substituting technology to survive or just make it easy for themselves.

Had I known there was a thread already started for Hieronymous I would have put those links in that thread instead. I think we should just go with what interests us the most.

monotonic do you really think any of us are wanting to use this technology as a "substitute for a healthy lifestyle"?

Rife's and similar work are definitely worth experimenting with and gathering data on from as many sources as possible, for those interested, having the time and inclination, as well as technical abilities. The other thing is that I think a better theoretical framework would have made it easier to set up the experiments, including Hieronymous machine and the many types of experiments he's supposed to have done. The C's mention about Royal Rife also implies what I'm getting at.

It's as if there much more to Rife's discoveries than just destroying pathogens, which is how I had understood it when I first read the book The Rife Report: The Cancer Cure that Worked around 1989. It seems that information can be carried by electromagnetism, or this other energy Hieronymous talked about, or the fundamental principles of homeopathy, etc. But the point I'm trying to make is that, while experiments with equipment, etc. are worthwhile, I'd also be very interested in whatever theoretical information we can find and develop about how matter (both "living" and "dead") is actually derived from information and can be altered (for good or bad) by information. What do you guys think? Is it a worthwhile pursuit to include theoretic discussion?

I originally had the idea that there wasn't much the rife machine could do that couldn't already be taken care of through diet and general hygiene. Thanks to others now I realize this is wishful thinking. Still, at one time we may not have good food and need to rely on a Rife machine. At another time, we may not have a Rife machine and will need to rely on a strict diet. And of course there are conditions that may require both good diet and some alternate treatment such as a Rife machine or parasite zapper. This seems to be part of the way of things in 3D.

Goyacobol, I wasn't worried or angered in the least that you didn't find the Hieronymous thread. I just wanted to point it out to you since it had a lot of useful information on the subject. I also didn't want to drag this thread into a Hieronymous machine discussion. Personally, I am interested in the Hieronymous machine, and thought it might be more useful as an investigating device, so I wanted to throw it out there. The name of this thread is very general after all, so I think it's okay to discuss the Hieronymous machine here as it relates to other technologies.

SeekinTruth, I don't see why we can't discuss the theoretical stuff. Some of this stuff seems to be deliberately obfuscated through machinery and fancy knobs that don't always serve a real purpose other than to mislead (and to gain patents), so I think it's possible that if we understand the theory, we could have use of these functions without needing complex or inconvenient setups. Not to mention, there must be some of the missing puzzle pieces here for us to plug in to the big picture.

About the Clark zapper, here is a thread with plenty of information:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1677.0

I believe the C's commented on the accuracy of the parasite frequency tables in the context of Rife or Clark (or maybe both) at some point, but I haven't come across that session yet.