8 children stabbed to death in Australia, 34yo mother in serious condition

lilies

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http://rt.com/news/215799-australia-stabbed-victims-children/

Might have been the mother, i think. Encroaching early dementia with genetic weaknesses already present, latent mental instability potential, surfaced with the age & diet. All these factors induced psychosis of probably the mother, - who was relatively stable up to this time - dissolving the mental stability that was held 'in check' up to this time, going berserk. Lots of knife related killings in the last years. Possibly its the quickening of the cosmos, more rapid dissolution of minds. Until the investigation proceeds:

What do you think?
 
Speculations: Possibly another false flag event following the so-called 'Sydney Siege.'

Some kind of a warning to the Australian government that they need to get in line
with the plans of the U.S. - which is doubtful since Australia is already a U.S. vassal.

Or a disintegration of the perpetrator as you've mentioned.
 
It doesn't seem that it will become a "terrorist story". It's not yet, anyway.

I kept checking the news all day to see if there's a significant update to the story, and so far nothing. Of what I read the mother is not a suspect. But what a tragedy. Seven of the dead children were hers. I wouldn't want to be the survivor of such a slaughter if it was me :cry:
 
It is not clear if they were aboriginals?

I think once in a while these type of tragedy happens, it is not the first case of a killing of children of the same family by one of the member of the family, not the last one also. These stories happen everywhere and we are shocked because they are showing the presence of the horror in a person that can assassinated young kids. People are crazy, by alcohol or whatever. What is particular in this case I think so is that they talk about it and say: don't worry, it is not a case of terrorism. Don't worry,my dear citizens, they were not killed by a terrorist. That's the difference. Instead of saying that the misery or drugs or alcohol or poverty or depression is sometimes the cause of these absolutely terrible acts.

If the mother was not the killer now she will become the next victim because how can you survive when your 7 or 8 kids, all of them, were murdered!
 
Good points, Loreta. Usually we only hear one or two person killed brutally in the news, but this report was beyond me. Also you are right on, they only need to mention the word terror in any article nowadays. Seems kind of like a frenzy, animals killing people, police executing people.

Almost as if wicked spirits and insane demons would frantically look for ways to invade and revel in bodies - human and animal. If this trend continues, we might see more 'civilian frenzy killings' as humanity sinks into entropy, I think.
 
I believe the family is Torres Strait Islanders. Basically Aboriginal or Indigenous, as they refer to themselves.
although the finger is being pointed at the mother of the seven, it's worth noting that she was also cut about, so it will be interesting to see what really happened. It's still under investigation.
What an absolute tragedy, and just before Christmas, too.
The townsfolk are making a kind of shrine around a tree in the yard, and many bunches of flowers are there.
 
MusicMan said:
I believe the family is Torres Strait Islanders. Basically Aboriginal or Indigenous, as they refer to themselves.
although the finger is being pointed at the mother of the seven, it's worth noting that she was also cut about, so it will be interesting to see what really happened. It's still under investigation.
What an absolute tragedy, and just before Christmas, too.
The townsfolk are making a kind of shrine around a tree in the yard, and many bunches of flowers are there.

Found this news article from ABC (Oz)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-20/cairns-mother-of-children-arrested-for-murder/5980826
 
MusicMan said:
I believe the family is Torres Strait Islanders. Basically Aboriginal or Indigenous, as they refer to themselves.
although the finger is being pointed at the mother of the seven, it's worth noting that she was also cut about, [..]

Then forensic experts can probably easily determine, if her wounds were self-inflicted or not: to consider other perpetrators. Still this whole incident is hard to grasp.
 
lilies said:
http://rt.com/news/215799-australia-stabbed-victims-children/

Might have been the mother, i think. Encroaching early dementia with genetic weaknesses already present, latent mental instability potential, surfaced with the age & diet. All these factors induced psychosis of probably the mother, - who was relatively stable up to this time - dissolving the mental stability that was held 'in check' up to this time, going berserk. Lots of knife related killings in the last years. Possibly its the quickening of the cosmos, more rapid dissolution of minds. Until the investigation proceeds:

What do you think?

Until I read your post above yesterday, I didn't even consider that the mother would be the murderer. Not that we didn't see such insanity from mothers before, but still, each time is like a new shock.

And this one goes high up on the list of horrific, terribly sad and totally insane. Yes, total dissolution of the mind:

The 37-year-old Cairns mother accused of murdering eight children had recently turned to religion and banned technology from her home.

Raina Mersane Ina Thaiday, who remains under police guard in hospital, had taken to giving fiery sermons in the street and had cut the power to her home and threw away the television, neighbours told News Corp.

She warned locals not to use their mobile phones because they were the "work of the Devil" and posted a handwritten sign on a front window of her public housing home that read: "No alcohol, cigarette, and drunken people allowed in this area".

Others said the house, where she is accused of killing seven of her own children and a niece in a frenzied knife attack last Friday, was often the scene of wild all-night parties.

Meanwhile, preliminary autopsy reports are detailing the horrific injuries sustained by some of the eight children in the knife attack.

It is alleged some suffered multiple stab wounds, with one child sustained at least 12 knife wounds to the front and 10 more on the back, according to pathology results.

Senior police yesterday declined to comment on the autopsy findings, pending final reports.

Yesterday Ms Thaiday was formally charged with eight counts of murder at a bedside hearing at Cairns Hospital, where she is being treated for self-inflicted injuries.

Police are investigating whether the accused killer was on the drug ice at the time and suffered a possible psychotic episode.

Her case is expected to be heard in court today, although Ms Thaiday herself will not appear as she is still recovering from stab wounds.

Detective Inspector Bruno Ansicar told reporters yesterday the horrific scene was taking its toll on police.

"It's clearly the most tragic event we've had to deal with (in Cairns)," Insp Ansicar told reporters.

Vigils and memorials for the slain children, who ranged in age from two to 14, were held throughout Queensland on yesterday.

Relatives, including one distraught man believed to be the father of some of the children, were among those at the scene yesterday morning while a service was held at a Cairns school in the evening.

Townsville and the Brisbane suburb of Inala also hosted memorials yesterday.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/22/03/18/mother-accused-in-cairns-massacre-had-found-god-denounced-technology#CJwJtkzt3chQZfKd.99
 
This is astounding. 8 children! If she is the murderer, imagine the situation when she was killing her kids. The strength, the bad and terrible energy, the sufferance in the house, the yells... and how come nobody heard the kids yelling?

She is surely schizophrenic. And maybe this "religion" where she was, is a sect.
 
loreta said:
This is astounding. 8 children! If she is the murderer, imagine the situation when she was killing her kids. The strength, the bad and terrible energy, the sufferance in the house, the yells... and how come nobody heard the kids yelling?

I was thinking about that last night, also whether the children tried to fight back. Some of them were in their teens, they could take her down or something. I imagined that there might have not been any yelling or fighting back. She might have killed them in their sleep or drugged them/made them unconscious somehow.
 
Thank You, Alana, your post shed new light on this case and was a lot more shocking than media reports so far. Now it appears the husband is innocent [to me based on your details], will be declared as such. On basis of being away when the murders happened. May be only charged with "neglecting his duties as a parent" if he can be officially condemned this way.
 
Horrible incident. :(

In Finland, there are news every now and then of family killings. We are a small country, and it feels like these things happen disproportionately often. Usually the father has killed the children (and sometimes the mother too), often then committing suicide.

Just more recently, there have been at least a few occasions, where the mother committed the crime.


Two young children have been found dead at an apartment in Kuopio. Police were called to the residence just after 6pm on Saturday evening, according to a statement released at around 9pm on Saturday evening.

The police investigation is focused on the mother of the two children, who is the only suspect. Police say the children were probably killed on Saturday.

Kuopio social services told Yle that the family had been a customer of theirs, and had been visited by social workers in the last week.

_http://yle.fi/uutiset/mother_suspected_of_killing_two_children_in_kuopio/7646323


Police say they now strongly suspect that the woman who died in a tragic road accident Sunday evening may have acted deliberately. The woman and three children were killed when the car in which they were traveling collided head-on with an oncoming bus in northern Savo.

Lead investigator Heikki Mansikka-aho has confirmed that police are now working on a theory that the woman who drove the car involved in Sunday evening’s tragic crash in Rautavaara, northern Savo, may have done so deliberately.
“Initial reports and events leading up to the accident strongly suggest that the act was deliberate. Driving conditions did not play a role,” Mansikka-aho said.

However he would not provide further details on what he meant when he referred to prior events. The woman apparently knew that her husband was on board the bus, police said. The investigator said that it’s still difficult to say whether the woman targeted the bus because her husband was on board.

Police initially reported that when the incident occurred shortly before 8.00 pm Sunday evening, the section of road was dark and wet, but not slippery. The temperature was around five degrees Celsius at the time. The car was said to be in the oncoming lane at the time of the accident.

Nine of the people on board the bus reportedly sustained non-life threatening injuries. They were treated at the Kuopio hospital and local health centres.

The accident claimed the lives of the 33-year old woman as well as her three children aged 1, 2 and 6. The two youngest were reportedly the children of the man said to be on the bus. Police suspect that the occupants of the car died immediately.
The case is being investigated by police as well as the Safety Investigation Authority.

_http://yle.fi/uutiset/police_suspect_deliberate_action_in_fatal_crash/7552951


Another disturbing case, where this woman appears to have repeatedly gotten pregnant with different men, given birth to near-term fetuses, and then hid their bodies in a freezer in her apartment block's basement. Five bodies of fetuses were found:

Police investigators are recommending murder charges in the case of five deceased infants discovered in Oulu earlier this year. After five months of a preliminary inquiry, investigators said they were able to confirm that the female suspect was the mother of all of the children found in the cellar of an apartment block. However they were unable to identify all of the fathers.

Police say they have concluded their preliminary investigation into the case of five near-term fetuses found in the cellar of an Oulu apartment complex in June.

In a news conference in Oulu Tuesday afternoon, lead investigator Seppo Leinonen said that police will be recommending charges for five counts of murder and five counts of grave desecration.

The case file will now be forwarded to prosecutors for consideration of charges this week; however investigators were unable to say when the case would go to trial.

Suspect could not explain her actions

Police have one suspect in the case, a 35-year old woman now known to be the mother of all of the infants. The woman previously admitted her involvement in the case shortly after the babies were discovered – she was later taken into custody by police.
Two investigators were assigned to the case and had been working on it for five months. The case involved a great deal of confidential information, police said.

DNA tests have confirmed that the suspect in the case was the mother of all five children discovered in the Oulu dwelling. Police were also able to determine that there were both boys and girls among the deceased infants.

Police say that the suspect attempted to conceal her pregnancies by wearing outsize clothing and by claiming that she had been ill.
The preliminary investigation did not uncover any evidence that anyone had assisted the woman in childbirth. The woman herself could not explain her actions, or why the infants’ remains had been hidden. However while she did acknowledge that she could have acted differently, she denies deliberately killing the children.

Detective chief inspector Leinonen said that police would not comment on the cause of death at this stage, but did acknowledge that all of the infants were viable at the time of death.

Not all fathers identified

Investigators said they were unable to locate the fathers of all five infants. Some of the potential fathers of the children refused to undergo paternity tests. Others expressed relief when the results proved negative.

Police so far have only the woman’s version of events; they speculate that some aspects of the case will forever remain shrouded in mystery.

Providing an update on investigations into the deaths of five infants discovered in Oulu earlier this year were lead investigator detective chief inspector Seppo Leinonen, district prosecutor Sari Kemppainen and deputy police chief Arto Kaarnaranta.


_http://yle.fi/uutiset/mother_of_dead_oulu_babies_faces_murder_charges/7599185


It is difficult to comprehend these happenings. There has to be a total mental breakdown and probably an underlying personality disorder. Perhaps nasty attachments can influence also, like lilies mentioned:

lilies said:
Almost as if wicked spirits and insane demons would frantically look for ways to invade and revel in bodies - human and animal.

In Finland, possibly one factor that has an effect is the collective cultural "mental athmosphere", which is somewhat restrictive and in ways not encouraging one to open up, share and ask for help. Also, perhaps during winter, the long period of polar night intensifies depression and mental problems.
 
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