Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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Oh man that's a good one! It's interesting she predicts Ukraine will eventually come around. By that time the economy of the west will have shrunk considerably, and I'm sure the EU will increasingly see Ukraine for the financial black hole that it is. As long as Russia resists being drawn into the conflict, people will become more and more desensitized to the anti-Russian hysteria used to drive the war. I hope those things come to happen.
 
Some of the latest from Saker's blog (haven't gone through it all yet):

Video interview:
http://thesaker.is/interview-of-maria-zakharova-the-newly-appointed-spokeswoman-of-the-russian-ministry-of-foreign-affairs/

Guest post by Andrew Korybko (Part 1):
http://thesaker.is/the-russian-chinese-indian-strategic-convergence-in-myanmar-part-i/

From Soul of the East (translated by Mark Hackard) - Foreword by Saker (about the background of Orthodox Christianity's influence on the Russian world):
http://thesaker.is/ivan-ilyin-on-orthodoxy/

Video (Ukronazi crazies):
http://thesaker.is/meet-the-official-opposition-in-the-ukraine/

SouthFront Military Report:
http://thesaker.is/24-08-2015-military-report-of-novorossia/

Video (Ukronazi crazies):
http://thesaker.is/the-new-ukronazi-mandatory-pledge-of-allegiance/
 
herondancer said:
Lada Ray is among other things a political analyst. She was born and raised in Odessa, where she still has a lot of contacts. This is her latest take on what's going on in Ukraine. Lada's a bit new agey, but she still has some interesting things to say. fwiw :)

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/important-breaking-news-and-latest-intel-from-ukraine/

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EU isn’t interested in a new military escalation either. EU is now facing African/Middle Eastern migrant crisis of staggering proportions (see my post). They can’t afford any additional instability to the east.
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Recall my timeline for the turnaround in Ukraine: 2016-18. We are getting closer and it’s all developing according to plan.
Thanks for posting, It is an interesting idea that the flux of refugees may help to cool down tension projected in Eastern Europe.

For the time being, it seems though that the Baltic states and Poland perfer to rearm:
http://www.sipri.org/media/website-photos/milex-media-backgrounder-2015 said:
Budgets for 2015 show a continued increase in military spending in all three countries and some degree of convergence:
§ a 7.3 per cent increase in Estonia, to € 412 million ($436 million)
;§ a 14.9 per cent increase in Latvia, to € 254 million ($269 million); and
§most dramatically, a 50 per cent increase in Lithuania, to € 425 million ($450 million).
And Poland will increase their spendings too:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11641852/Poland-increases-military-spending-in-response-to-Russias-belligerence.html said:
Poland's defence budget jumped from £5.6 billion last year to £6.6 billion in 2015, an 18 per cent increase that is almost unprecedented in Europe since the Cold War.

I couldn't help trying to find out if refugees are welcome in these countries, where military spending is on the rise. Without going into all the details, I picked one, Lithuania, and found a couple of headlines.

http://www.baltictimes.com/president_grybauskaite__lithuania_able_to_accept__up_to_250_refugees_/ said:
President Grybauskaite: Lithuania able to accept "up to 250 refugees"
Lithuania can't even take people from the Ukraine:
http://www.ibtimes.com/lithuania-suspends-asylum-applications-ukrainians-fleeing-war-1874705 said:
Lithuania Suspends Asylum Applications For Ukrainians Fleeing War
If this is anything to go by, then countries in Eastern Europe are sensitive to a big flux of refugees too, meaning it could create tensions and instability within. The suspicion appears to be confirmed http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/poles-dont-want-immigrants-they-dont-understand-them-dont-like-them
 
SITREP:
http://thesaker.is/ukraine-sitrep-august-26th-2015-by-scott/

SouthFront:
http://thesaker.is/26-08-2015-military-report-of-novorossia/

http://thesaker.is/26-08-2015-crisis-news/
 
A default in Ukraine has been on the cards for a long time, today it got closer:
https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/fitch-lowers-ukraines-rating-debt-restructing-deal-175445402--business.html said:
Fitch lowers Ukraine's rating on debt restructing deal
Ratings agency Fitch has lowered its rating for Ukraine saying the debt restructuring deal Kiev struck with a group of creditors was tantamount to default.

Fitch lowered Ukraine's rating of long-term public debt from "CC" to "C," after the deal was announced Thursday because it led to major losses for the bondholders.

"Fitch considers that this represents a Distressed Debt Exchange (DDE) under its criteria that results in material losses to bondholders and is being conducted in order to avoid default," the agency said in a statement released late Thursday.

The accord struck between Kiev and Franklin Templeton and three other US financial groups calls for a 20 percent "haircut" to the face value of the bonds they hold -- nearly half of the $19 billion (16.8 billion euros) in commercial debt under review.

Thursday's agreement saves Ukraine $11.5 billion but is still short of the target set by the International Monetary Fund.

While the "haircut" was far less than the 40 percent initially sought by Kiev, the compromise deal with creditors was vital to Ukraine's efforts to secure $15.3 billion (13.7 billion euros) in savings on total foreign debt over the coming four years.

Restructuring was a mandatory part of a broader $40 billion global rescue package that the IMF patched together at the start of the year.

Though the default-averting accord with lenders allows Ukraine continued access to international credit markets, Fitch's downgrade is likely to increase costs of additional borrowing.

The painful talks lasted for five months and saw both the IMF and Washington put immense pressure on bondholders to accept short-term losses in return for keeping Ukraine's pro-Western leaders from being forced into resuming their reliance on Russia.

Ukraine's economy is expected to shrink nearly 10 percent this year due in part to the loss of key coal and steel mining factories in the pro-Russian separatist east.
 
There is a site mainly written for PC programmer, but there are a few other issues treated, for example about Ukraine
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Political_skeptic/Neocolonialism/Debt_enslavement/ukraine.shtml said:
Ukraine debt enslavement
Case study of neoliberal enslavement of the country
[...]In Western MSM the 17.6% year to year GDP drop in Ukraine in 2014 is mentioned as a just a number without any context. The IMF’s mission in Ukraine has said the country’s GDP is expected to shrink 9 percent this year, with annual inflation jumping to 46 percent. Ukraine’s national currency, the hryvnia, has lost more than half its value so far in 2015. Unresolved conflict in the country’s east took a big toll on the economy in the first quarter of 2015, it said.

But during the Great Depression the US GDP contracted "only" 25%. In any given year of that depression it did not drop 17%. Also, in the case of Ukraine, it has already underwent its first Great Depression, which was worse than the US depression during the 1990s. So we are looking at The Second Great Depression in Ukraine. This is the meaning of this 17.6% drop. Ukrainian pensioners are brought by brave Western neocons with the help of local fifth column to the real starvation level. This is an important story and yet Western MSM ignore it much like they ignore now flight MH17.
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With the latest downgrade, as mentioned in the previous post, the situation is not better than it was a year ago.

Softpanorama also has an extensive coverage of what they call toxic managers, http://www.softpanorama.org/Social/Toxic_managers/index.shtml Although not mentioned, it seems the present Ukrainian leadership are pretty toxic managers.
 
Why is it that western nations can close their eyes to the villany they create or instigate around the world including Ukraine. Why is it that it is so easy to sell the fear of the Russians in some countries. Is it only a fiction, or a result of poorly written school books and decades of propaganda? These questions have puzzled me, although in the light of knowledge about ponerolgy I should have the answers. In a way I have. Still I found the following documentary by Kyle Hunt interesting. It is based on the book, Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947 by Thomas Goodrich. How balanced it is in all respect, I'm not sure, especially with regard to Eastern Europe. Besides, if one looks at what Kyle Hunt has been doing, I suspect he is close to white racists as seen from his website _http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/ That said the documentary does bring out some pages of German and European history that don't get turned very often in such painful details.


https://youtu.be/qkQ6J5F01Do

What worries me after watching most of it, is that if this way of inflicting human suffering after World War 2 was considered okay at the time, and later succesfully buried or distorted even though the victory had been secured in military terms, it does not bode well for the present or the future of Europe and the masses of refugees that now are coming in. If it was easy to close the eyes then, if is has been easy to close the eyes since, it is very likely to continue for at least still some time.

Before posting the video I searched the forum, but could not find it, then I thought about making a thread for it in the history section, but decided against it, because somehow this history belongs to the present.

On the youtube page where I found the documentary, there was this quote from a favorite of post war Western European history school books:
WVradioman said:
Winston Churchill told Lord Robert Boothby the following:

"Germany's most unforgivable crime before the Second World War, was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system (ie: World-Bankers), and to create her own exchange mechanism (ie: "Honest", non-interest bearing money) which would deny "world finance" of its opportunity to profit".!!
Then it was Germany and later others have tried, what has happened to those countries is well known.
 
The latest at Saker's blog that I read this morning. Some interesting insights.

Saker rant about those who support or are silent about the Nazi junta in Ukraine (from some off-beat perspectives involving music/musicians):
http://thesaker.is/the-moral-yardstick-of-the-ukrainian-war-saker-rant/

Part 2 of the recent post by Andrew Korybko:
http://thesaker.is/the-russian-chinese-indian-strategic-convergence-in-myanmar-part-ii/

The Saker interviews Peter Koenig, economist/ex-World Bank employee, and geopolitical analyst:
http://thesaker.is/the-saker-interviews-peter-koenig/

SouthFront Military Report (Video):
http://thesaker.is/30-08-2015-military-report-of-novorossia/
 
The first article is on the current split in agreements on the Minsk 11 accords. The second article, video and full transcript are on the February 2014 Ukraine coup, from the perspective of a senior Russian academic, Andrey Fursov, two months after the Coup. Fursov gives an excellent example "of the representation of individuals behind President Putin's advisors." Fursov gives an impressive, comprehensive analysis of the history, before and after the Coup and the main players, their positions and possible motives.

Interesting, the Russian view of President Obama is "The Cardboard Box President".

U.S. Publicly Splits v. EU on Ukraine War
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/u-s-publicly-splits-v-eu-on-ukraine-war.html

There now is open disagreement between three Western leaders regarding how to move forward with regard to Ukraine: Barack Obama of the United States, versus Francois Hollande of France, and Angela Merkel of Germany.

On Friday, August 29th, this split became public concerning whether the Minsk II accords for ending the Ukrainian civil war should remain in force. Obama supports the view of Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko, to violate the Minsk II accords, which would end it; the same day, Hollande and Merkel agreed with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, that the Minsk II agreement needs to be implemented in full.

The current split concerns the provision in the Minsk II accords that requires the Ukrainian government to grant to the breakaway Donbass region a position within a new federal Ukrainian system in which the residents of Donbass will elect their own local leaders, instead of having their leaders imposed upon them (as the coup was) by the central Ukrainian government in Kiev. Donbass will then rejoin Ukraine, and the war will be officially over.

A few hours later the same day, Interfax bannered, “Merkel, Hollande Inform Putin on Adherence to Minsk Agreements,” and reported that Putin had phoned both EU leaders about this and received from them reassurance that they, like he, remained committed to full implementation of Minsk II. (Putin does not want Donbass to become part of Russia, but he also doesn’t want the invasion of it by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to continue, especially because it has caused nearly a million refugees into Russia from Donbass. So: he needed to know whether they were behind Poroshenko’s statement, or whether it reflected only Obama’s view.)

This is an international continuation of the disagreement within the Obama Administration regarding Poroshenko’s recent repeated threats to re-invade and forcibly take back Donbass despite the Minsk accords. At first, Kerry said that the U.S. would not support such an invasion, but his nominal subordinate, the Assistant Secretary of State for the area, Victoria Nuland, contradicted that, and President Obama sided with Nuland; she had been instructed to contradict Kerry on this.

The result is a now-open split between the U.S. and Europe, over Ukraine. The split between Nuland and Kerry is now a split between the U.S. and Europe.


Battleground Ukraine: A Comprehensive Summary (From A Russian Perspective)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-30/battleground-ukraine-comprehensive-summary-russian-perspective

April 30, 2014 - This is an impressive, comprehensive analysis of the February 2014 Ukraine coup from the perspective of a senior Russian academic. It details the interests and affiliations of the main Ukrainian domestic players - oligarchical clans many of whose leaders have dual nationality - with some shocking and little known detail. It exposes the glaring hypocrisies and double standards of the western sponsors of the coup and their Russian/Ukrainian '5th Column traitors'. It sees the coup and Russia's successful incorporation of Crimea as major game-changing events in the on-going, US-lead post-WWII machinations of the West to subdue Russia to its own agenda and outlines how Russia should now respond.

video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLUJpqaQpY#t=11 with English sub-titles

Full Transcript below:

Extracts:

Without doubt, the re-unification with Crimea is a very important landmark. In a recent TV interview I said that this is genuinely the end of the disgraceful era which began in Malta on the 2-3rd Dec 1989, when Gorbachev surrendered absolutely everything to Bush, even what wasn't asked for.

After that everything possible was given up. Rays of hope began to appear later, during the Putin administration.

Today we're talking about the Ukraine situation from a number of angles. It's a multi-faceted situation, like all big situations. Many different aspects have led to what happened. Concerning not only the clash between Russia and the West. There's a lot else going on too.

Firstly, it all began with a conflict within the Ukrainian oligarchic class. A great analyst is Vladimir Matveev. I very much recommend you look him up. A number of his analyses are out on the net. Moreover you don't need to be erudite to read his books. Anyone with higher education can read them. He's been very active on the subject of Mossad in Ukraine. He gets continuously threatened. Now he needs to get out of Ukraine and is having problems with that.
•We are talking about the oligarchs.
•Later we'll talk about the interests of the West - The Europeans and the Americans have different interests.
•Next, the interests of Israel.
•Then we'll run through the key events originating from the Banderite-American coup in Kiev, which continue to unfold.

The Ukrainian oligarchs - Firstly - the Ukrainian business clans.

What do we mean by clans in Ukraine? First we need to understand the division of power at the end of 2013. There are four basic clans.

Firstly the Donetsk clan - Rinat Akhmetov, whose fortune is estimated at $16 billion. His main interests are mining and steel production. This clan includes Boris Kolesnikov, the Kluevs, Yury Ivanyuschenko.

The second clan is the Yanukovych family. They control principally the customs officials, farming and infrastructure. By comparison this clan is a bit poorer, but they have held very powerful administrative positions. Yanukovych's "achievement" is that during his presidency the welfare state of Ukraine was finished off. Or rather, what was left of it. Destruction of the welfare state began during the time of Kuchma. Yuschenko and Tymoshenko significantly reduced the welfare state. And Yanukovych finished it off.

The Yanukovych regime greatly favored the growth of the billionaire class. Yanukovych's main sponsors were Rinat Akhmetov and Dmitry Firtash. The division of labor was: Ahkmetov controlled the government and Firtash the presidential administration.

The next massive bloc is Firtash, which is RosUkrEnergo, energy production and chemicals. They are the main partner of Rothschild in Ukraine. One of Firtash's main advisers is Robert Shetler-Jones. I'll talk about him later. An entrepreneur from the Rothschild group. Moreover, he's from MI6.

By the way, in all British corporations, in order to occupy a senior position, it is mandatory to be vetted by MI6. Otherwise you don't get it.

The next corporate group is Privat. This is the most interesting one. It's the group of Ihor Kolomoisky. Kolomoisky's worth is 3 billion dollars. His partner is Gennady Bogolubov. Kolomoisky is a very interesting figure. Not only because he called our president a schizophrenic. He is the engine behind what is currently happening in Ukraine.

Born in 1963. Jewish. He very actively supports the Hasidic group Chabad, which is not a sect, it's a movement. He's the main sponsor of the Dnepropetrovsk Jewish community. An old friend of Berezovsky. He owns about 200 companies, controls 40% of Ukrnafta, the media. A big fan of soccer. He owns: FC Dnipro, of Dnepropetrovsk, Arsenal Kyiv, and Hapoel of Tel-Aviv. He's the vice president of the Football Federation of Ukraine. Its president, Surkis, is a millionaire too, albeit not as big as Kolomoisky. He owns Dynamo Kyiv. Information frequently appears in the media about Kolomoisky's connections with international organized crime. He really wanted to buy up the assets of Sevastopol. Indeed he was on the verge of buying. He is the sponsor of Yuschenko, Tymoshenko and Klitschko, and of, paradoxical though it is, the ultra-nationalist Tyaghnibok.

It might seem strange that Kolomoisky the Jew would support Tyaghnibok the ultra-nationalist. But the main goal of Tyaghnibok is to get Ukrainians and Russians fighting each other. His ultra-nationalism is not anti-semitic.

Then there's another group in Ukraine, which no-one wants to talk about. Victor Pinchuk's group. He's the son-in-law of Kuchma. Pinchuk's people are Tigipko and Yatsenuk. According to experts such as Matveev, whom I mentioned and strongly recommend you look up, because of his enormous expertise, Pinchuk is very closely linked with the United States and with British intelligence, MI6.

Finally, one more part of the Ukrainian economy, which experts prefer not to write about. Arms trade, military technology and narcotics. Experts name dozens of names here. The main ones are: Vadim Rabinovitch, citizen of Israel, Ukraine and Hungary, Sergei Maximov and the Derkatch family. The elder Derkatch is Leonid Derkatch. He was the head of the Ukrainian security service, SBU. Now he holds all the cards, as he's dealing in weapons. Rabinovitch is a very interesting figure. He supports the gay-lesbian party Raduga and the Kiev feminist group Femen. Often quarrels with other Jewish oligarchs.

In general what characterizes the situation in Ukraine is that there isn't a single political center, This propagates into Ukraine's Jewish community too. They don't have a unified center either. There are constant squabbles, to impose their point of view. There are angry clashes between the secular part and those who support the Hasids and Chabadists.

Rockefellers Rothchilds and Intelligence agencies

The next players on the Ukrainian field are: the Rockefellers and the Rothchilds. The Rothchilds entered Ukraine immediately after Ukraine became free from the Soviet Union. The Rothschild group entered in 1991-95. Likewise MI6 entered with a free hand.

Basically all western intelligence agencies had a free hand in Ukraine. That's why some experts call Ukraine the sandpit of the intelligence agencies. The CIA has a whole floor dedicated to Ukraine.

The interests of the Rothschilds strongly clash with the interests of Russia. Remember that when we talk about the interests of the USA and of Britain, there are different interest groups in these countries. Not for nothing the great French geopolitical analyst Alexandre Del Valle talks about not the foreign policy of the US, but the foreign politicians of the US. There are different clans. The clans behind Obama want one thing, and the clans behind the neo-cons want something completely different. So they really have different foreign policies. The Rothchilds busily exploit crises and chaos which can be manipulated by the world players in order to buy up assets in Ukraine, likewise in Central Asia, and where possible in Russia. It's about gaining control of resource economies. That's a very important aspect.

Israeli interests in Ukraine

The next player in Ukraine is Israel, which is represented in Ukraine by Mossad and practically all of the Israeli intelligence services. Including the Komemiyut management, that's an administration within Mossad, whose business is the physical removal of Mossad's opponents. Komemiyut is Hebrew for "sovereignty". This Komemiyut administration, for example, they were the ones who killed the Iranian nuclear scientists. They are very effective, like Mossad generally. Aman is military intelligence service of the Prime Minister. Shabak is the internal security service. Shin Bet, Nativ - they are all present in Ukraine. Israel's current ambassador in Ukraine is Reuven Din El - formerly a Mossad resident in the CIS countries, he was thrown out of Moscow, and then received in Ukraine as ambassador.

Vlad Lerner of Nativ is the First Secretary of the Israeli embassy. In this respect you have to give them their dues, the Israeli intelligence services, for how they work in Ukraine. Also important to be clearly aware of Mossad operates in close contact with CIA and MI6.
It's a unified snake of intelligence agencies, which gets the job done.

All of the western intelligence agencies, including Israel's, are very active in the higher education establishments in Ukraine.

The "Yellowstone Threat"

Of course, there is this Yellowstone threat - I mean the super-volcano. That could completely change the rules of play at any time. The super-volcano could solve for the Western elite the very problems which they've been trying to solve for the last 50-60 years and have been unable to. An eruption of the volcano could solve those problems. But that's another subject.

The goals of the interested parties in the Middle East

Obama. That is, the clans behind Obama ( By the way, my views about Obama haven't changed. General Ovchinsky and I wrote an article, when Obama had just become president, entitled "The Cardboard Box President". I mean the clan behind him. From the very beginning these clans wanted to improve relations with Iran to the detriment of relations with Israel,

Imagine Iran as a partner of the US. Firstly, it's a much bigger country than Israel. It occupies a magnificent geopolitical position. Has magnificent resources. If Iran is a partner of the US, then you have an Iran-India axis against China, against Russia, while maintaining the tension. Israel has the tension of being a Jewish state with Arabs, while Iran is Shi-ite. The tension is primarily with the Sunni monarchs, with Saudi Arabia. Thus the tension will remain.

Improvement of relations with Iran isn't happening so far. What's interesting is that whether relations with Iran improve or deteriorate, it forces the Americans to solve two problems.

One is to eliminate the regime of Assad. And with that eliminate the "fabulous" organization Hezbollah. We don't regard Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. It's a Lebanese Shi'ite organization, which is truly global.

The American offensive against the Russian Federation and China in the Syrian theater failed. That plus the presidency of Putin forced the Western elite to look for other maneuvers.

They started looking for where to attack - and Ukraine came up. Because in Ukraine an explosive situation had developed on all levels: amongst the oligarchs themselves, between the oligarchs and the population. It would have been a shame for the Americans and Europeans not to exploit that. Although, the Americans and Europeans do have completely different objectives in Ukraine. [...]
 
This video by Lada Ray has the title "WHO REALLY RULED USSR? The Secret of Brezhnev's Passport" The story of Brezhnev, who was ethnically half Ukrainian and born in South Eastern Ukraine is only a part, but the huge role that Ukrainians played in the nation life of the USSR is interesting. Lada Ray tells the story of other Soviet leaders too, including the contributions to the structure of the USSR from other areas like Latvia, Poland and Georgia, analyses the developement in Post WW 2 Eastern Europe and moves on to the historical role Russia plays in the world. At the end she advertises her own work, begining at around min 35 or so.

https://youtu.be/J7fHXjHbDag
 
Thanks for the vid link angelburst. I watched the whole thing. Would that we had the calibre of analysts Russia possesses. They know their history AND they know western history. Fursov's take on the different clans within the west is particularly interesting, going out right out there and naming Rothschilds, Rockefellers ect., and expressing a grudging admiration for Mossad's handling of Ukraine. He ends with a seven-part prescription of how Russia should take the offensive on the information war around the world, plus prepare their own population should worse come to worse. If you've got the time it's really worth it.
 
herondancer said:
going out right out there and naming Rothschilds, Rockefellers ect.,

According to historian Eustace Mullins, The Rothschilds were directly responsible for the rise of John D Rockefeller. Massively funding him through their First National City Bank of Cleveland. Rothschild agent Jacob Schiff played a key role guiding Rockefeller as well. There really is just one family (financially speaking) at the very top.

As mentioned by C's, the Rothschild clan is analogous to Sargon of Akkad -- in our time.

If you've ever wondered about the word "city" appearing in so many names of banking institutions, it's because it refers to a hidden link of said institution to the "City of London."

FWIW.
 
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