Citation de: T.C. le Hier à 10:52:43 pm
Here's the relevant transcript:
Citation de: session: 14/01/95
Q: (L) Okay, let's take a short break...
[break] Now, guys, I guess you have been
listening to our discussion and you listened to
JR read the paragraph from the article about
4th density experience being the highest level
of wishful thinking, that wishful thinking
becomes reality... (J) Or did I take it out of
context?
A: Close. STS.
Q: (L) So, STO wishful thinking...
A: STO does not wishfully think.
Q: (L) Well, how does STO think? (T)
Responsibly... (L)[experiencing acute
pinching feeling at nape of neck] God! You
guys are doing strange things to my body...
A: Helpful and balanced. Wishes are strictly
STS.
Q: (L) So, acceptance of experience in the
sense of just allowing things to happen and
responding in a balanced and helpful way is
an STO response or experience in 4th
density, is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) And therefore, seeing things moving
past such as what I saw by my window, and
responding to them basically in an open,
curious, and allowing way would have been
an STO response, is that correct?
A: Maybe.
Q: (T) It depends on how you respond
curiously. (T) The Lizzies are hanging out in
4th density too, and they are not STO, are
they?
A: Correct.
Q: (T) So, they are not having STO helpful,
responsible..
A: True.
Q: (T) So, in 4th density, both types can still
happen?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type
thinking...?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if
that is the way you decide to go when you get
there?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) This of course limits you in your
ability to move up to 6th density?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you
choose STS, can you change it to STO?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as
you so desire and it is all still free will?
A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th
level, you don't move back.
Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you
have to stay there? (L) No. (J) If you move
from STS to STO in 4th density you don't go
back to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct?
(T) That's what I mean, once you have
decided to do STO, that's where you stay
because you don't have any desire to go back
to STS?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don't
have a choice; it is just that you don't want to
go back to STS?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So if you move up and do what the
Lizards are doing, then you continue to do
that until you get tired of it or see different,
or become enlightened and then move to STO
and then that's where you will want to stay?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to
STS? I know you said you can't, but that's
because you choose not to?
A: Natural factors prohibit this.
Q: (L) So, I guess that once you get to STO
natural factors, the nature of that position is
that you just simply don't... it just doesn't
happen.
Thanks goyacobol to bring back this transcript.
I found in the Cassiopaea Glossary the notion of Intrinsic Nature:
"This term comes from Sufi tradition and refers to one's built-in tendency towards either 'felicity' vs. 'wretchedness' or 'grace' vs. 'sin.'
This corresponds roughly to the Cassiopaean notion of consciousness energy director. This is the factor determining the binding between the entity and the realm the entity occupies. This corresponds to both density as well as to the STO/STS duality.
At the level of human psychology, such a nature could be seen in one's basic disposition towards either being giving or empathic or on the other hand selfish."
Also with the Truth:
"The Cassiopaeans have said that when two beings both have no limits, they are precisely the same. This amounts to all potentially being one, but as long as beings are not infinite and all encompassing, there is bound to be some difference of perspective, however small. Hence, even theoretically, the complete truth concerning any phenomenon may only be asymptotically approached by a group of observers."
And
"The knowledge is largely the same but the attitude and approach to it differentiate between the STO and STS seeker. Likewise, the attitude to sharing this knowledge also differs between the two. It is typical of STS, even when not directly lying, to withhold information for future benefit and to operate on a need to know basis, hoarding information and giving it out selectively and with possible disinformation added.
STO-oriented parties also have constraints on sharing their knowledge but these constraints have a different source than the factors which make STS withhold information. In order to preserve free will and to promote individual learning and the attendant increase of being, knowledge cannot be given out without the seeker making commensurate efforts. Further, STO tends to respect people's free will to believe as they see fit and therefore does not force information on them by showing great signs or unquestionable proofs of spiritual or other unrequested knowledge. The principle of open sharing and networking fits best between participants of a similar level."
And too:
"In Life Is Only Real Then When I Am, Gurdjieff introduces the dictum 'I Am, I Can, I Wish.' From the book:
'Only such a man, when he consciously says "I am"-he really is; "I can"-he really can; "I wish"-he really wishes. When "I wish"-I feel with my whole being that I wish, and can wish. This does not mean that I want, that I need, that I like or, lastly, that I desire. No. "I wish." I never like, never want, I do not desire anything and I do not need anything-all this is slavery; if "I wish" something, I must like it, even if I do not like it. I can wish to like it, because "I can." I wish-I feel with my whole body that I wish. I wish-because I can wish.' [End quote]"
glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=333&lsel=F
