The Vatican Holocaust

Fester

Jedi
This guy's theory of the Vatican being completely responsible for sacrificing 18 million people by burning alive as an offering to Moloch is extremely interesting. He presents the case from a 3D viewpoint, but all he says seems horribly logical from an esoteric perspective as well. Reading it was a case of "Ew, that's awful... but if it's true, it's a damn good explanation."

For instance, he raises the question- If genocide/extermination/ethnic cleansing was the objective, why go to the difficulty and expense of gassing and cremation? When bullets, mass graves and quicklime are proven to be cheap and efficient? More importantly, exactly WHY did they keep such meticulous records of such heinous crimes?

Sharing here as I'm very interested to hear other forum member's opinions on this. Link below, please have a read. It's not massively long, I read it in about 2 hrs.

_http://one-evil.org/content/acts_vatican_holocaust.html
 
The website is part of the UCADIA network. UCADIA and Frank O'Collins have come up a few times in the forum discussions
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,32826.0.html
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30558.msg439331.html#msg439331
 
You know, I used to wonder quite a bit about such esoteric explanations for things as tracked via human organizations; now, not so much. While there may certainly be a certain energetic "feeding" going on between 3rd and 4th density, as in what the Cs described, and even Gurdjieff that the living system was designed to provide nourishment for the Cosmos, seeing it in the historically restricted sense that is suggested by saying that the holocaust was an offering to Moloch is rather primitive.

As for the questions about gassing, cremation vs. bullets and mass graves, I believe the standard explanation is the requirement for efficiency and utilization of what resources were easiest available, including human resources. I would also suspect that one consideration might be that a gassed corpse tells no tales while one with a bullet hole certainly does. But that may be too facile. As for records, one explanation given for that is that most holocaust victims died from disease/epidemic and the Germans were just doing what they did so well: being efficient record keepers.

As for the author of this theory, take a look at his "Lebor Clan Glas" think that obyvatel linked to and then read my review of "Argonauts of the Desert". As the truly scholarly studies of the OT proceed, it becomes less and less likely that ANY of the stories were historical in respect of the Jews/history of Israel so anyone who begins on that premise is likely to rapidly run off the track into pure fantasy.
 
Laura said:
As for the author of this theory, take a look at his "Lebor Clan Glas" think that obyvatel linked to and then read my review of "Argonauts of the Desert". As the truly scholarly studies of the OT proceed, it becomes less and less likely that ANY of the stories were historical in respect of the Jews/history of Israel so anyone who begins on that premise is likely to rapidly run off the track into pure fantasy.

The first I read of the idea of Jewish history being made up came from reading Lebor Clann Glas, when I mentioned it in that linked post. Though the idea was a fair bit different. It was basically claiming that it was put together after the destruction of the temple as a way to regain Roman control under Vespasian. Apparently it was claimed (by O'Collins) at the time Rome was in shambles and they wanted a religion that would justify this idea that they have a divine right to rule, yet build a religion out of it. So that's his concept on the Latin IUS, being rule and its practice Iudaism (http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ius). The story goes that a whole bunch of priests put it together under the direction of Josepheus. Again, I just read it and attempted to find if there's some meat behind it, which I didn't find.

Here's where O'Collins talks about it
_http://one-heaven.org/canons/sovereign_law/article/83.html

And its part in the story:
_http://one-heaven.org/sacred_texts/book/Lebor_Clann_Glas/c/22.html
 
alkhemst said:
Laura said:
As for the author of this theory, take a look at his "Lebor Clan Glas" think that obyvatel linked to and then read my review of "Argonauts of the Desert". As the truly scholarly studies of the OT proceed, it becomes less and less likely that ANY of the stories were historical in respect of the Jews/history of Israel so anyone who begins on that premise is likely to rapidly run off the track into pure fantasy.

The first I read of the idea of Jewish history being made up came from reading Lebor Clann Glas, when I mentioned it in that linked post. Though the idea was a fair bit different. It was basically claiming that it was put together after the destruction of the temple as a way to regain Roman control under Vespasian. Apparently it was claimed (by O'Collins) at the time Rome was in shambles and they wanted a religion that would justify this idea that they have a divine right to rule, yet build a religion out of it. So that's his concept on the Latin IUS, being rule and its practice Iudaism (http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ius). The story goes that a whole bunch of priests put it together under the direction of Josepheus. Again, I just read it and attempted to find if there's some meat behind it, which I didn't find.

Here's where O'Collins talks about it
_http://one-heaven.org/canons/sovereign_law/article/83.html

And its part in the story:
_http://one-heaven.org/sacred_texts/book/Lebor_Clann_Glas/c/22.html

It's another case of not doing deep and wide enough research. However, it's a decent enough general idea and some elements of truth in it.

The OT is first attested by Jesus ben Sira between 180-175 BC.

There's an entertaining legend about ben Sira:

According to Jewish apocrypha, Ben Sira was the son of Jeremiah’s daughter who became pregnant in the bathhouse from her father Jeremiah’s seed. As such, Ben Sira is mentioned by Rishonim and Acharonim with regard to halakhic discussion of the possibility of becoming pregnant without intercourse. Questions remain: (1) whether the sperm contributor is considered his father; (2) whether the offspring of parents who are forbidden relations to each other but who are conceived without intercourse are considered mamzerim; and (3) whether in-vitro fertilization is permissible.

Record seekers have written that because he was born from the absorption of semen without intercourse he was called Ben-Zer`a (בן זרע‎, "Son of Seed"), and when he grew up he was embarrassed by this name and changed it to Ben Sira (בן סירא‎), Sira (סירא) is the gematria equivalent of Jeremiah (ירמיהו‎).[4]

The legend is brought in the apocryphal and (semi-)heretical work the Alphabet of Sirach. The Rambam and others have ridiculed such writings as a waste of time,[citation needed] but other Rishonim did mention it, if only skeptically or as a point in argument.

The tale in Alphabet of Sirach is that Yirmiyahu was accosted in a bathhouse by onanists, who forced him to emit seed into the water. His seed remained viable and his daughter later used the same bathhouse and became pregnant from the bath.

(A mamzer is someone who is either born of adultery by a married Jewish woman and a Jewish man who is not her husband, or born of incest (as defined by the Bible), or someone who has a mamzer as a parent. Mamzer status is not synonymous with illegitimacy, since it does not include children whose mothers were unmarried.)

Interesting that a guy named Jesus was legendarily born from a virgin impregnated by her "father".

Will wonders never cease?
 
Laura said:
Interesting that a guy named Jesus was legendarily born from a virgin impregnated by her "father".

Will wonders never cease?

Very interesting indeed! I heard a similar story in a myth but can't remember what, likely in one of Joseph Campbell's books. But I did find this one on Gaia:

GAIA The Goddess of the Earth was accidentally impregnated by the seed of Hephaistos, when Athena cast the god's semen upon the ground after his attempted rape.
_http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/HephaistosLoves.html
 
Thanks for the replies and the info... As I said, I was mainly curious as to whether he might have been on to something, even by accident. Had no idea about the collection of sites he runs and stuff. So he's a bit swivel-eyed but has some interesting ideas :lol:
 
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