scientist may have finally discovered gravitational waves

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Here's where I read it.

http://www.sciencealert.com/rumours-fly-as-physicists-hint-at-the-first-ever-observations-of-gravitational-waves
 
Here it is : http://physics.aps.org/articles/v9/17

Gravitational waves emitted by the merger of two black holes have been detected, setting the course for a new era of observational astrophysics.

"With Advanced LIGO’s result, we are entering the dawn of the age of gravitational wave astronomy: with this new tool, it is as though we are able to hear, when before we could only see. It is very significant that the first “sound” picked up by Advanced LIGO came from the merger of two black holes. These are objects we can’t see with electromagnetic radiation. The implications of gravitational-wave astronomy for astrophysics in the near future are dazzling. Multiple detections will allow us to study how often black holes merge in the cosmos and to test astrophysical models that describe the formation of binary systems.
In this respect, it’s encouraging to note that LIGO may have already detected a second event; a very preliminary analysis suggests that if this event proves to have an astrophysical origin, then it is likely to also be from a black hole binary system.
The detection of strong signals will also allow physicists to test the so-called no-hair theorem, which says that a black hole’s structure and dynamics depend only on its mass and spin. Observing gravitational waves from black holes might also tell us about the nature of gravity.
Does gravity really behave as predicted by Einstein in the vicinity of black holes, where the fields are very strong? Can dark energy and the acceleration of the Universe be explained if we modify Einstein’s gravity? We are only just beginning to answer these questions."
 
gravity waves

Well, huge discovery yesterday by astrophysicists at LIGO regarding Gravity Waves. I won't bore you with explanations, it's all over the news. But I was wondering if they are the same thing as what Laura wrote in the "The Wave" series and what Cassiopaeans have mentioned multiple times.
 
Very Cool. So many times I have read information here, from Laura, the Cs and all of you. Off the wall, sometimes crazy, Really, no way, never even thought of that before. And then... And then I read, see or hear of some ground breaking event, a possible world-life changing discovery and I think "Awe Hell"... I read that here some time ago...

And I feel I must stress this...

Either y'all are super intelligent, educated, very well read with ability to guesstimate the future... And btw, this methinks you are...

OR...

Y'all really are privy to some sort of inside information ;) ;) ;)

Yep, I cannot say how many times I have seen it first here. 'Tis neat to be ahead of the curve, so to say.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
I wouldn't be who I am today without you Laura, and your writings...
And, This Forum.!.!.!


EDIT: Spelling and grammar. As usual :)
 
Re: gravity waves

nyseday said:
Well, huge discovery yesterday by astrophysicists at LIGO regarding Gravity Waves. I won't bore you with explanations, it's all over the news. But I was wondering if they are the same thing as what Laura wrote in the "The Wave" series and what Cassiopaeans have mentioned multiple times.
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It is an interesting discovery. I don't think it should be confused with "the wave" of the Cassiopaean series. There are many types of waves - sound waves, ocean waves, waves in the electro-magnetic spectrum, and now gravity waves. This gravity wave is a tiny distortion of the space-time dimensions, that fits computer simulations of what a gravity wave produced when two black holes merge into each other should look like, based on Einstein's theory of 1915. Now more "observatories" of this type will be built, and it will give a new way of looking at the universe, just as radio telescopes allowed us to see the universe in a different way than optical telescopes.

There is a longer video about the discovery at the link below. The speaker at 30:54-39:10 gives a good outline of the discovery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_582rU6neLc ["'We have detected gravitational waves!', breakthrough discovery confirmed" RT, 11 Feb 2016]
 
True, gravitational waves are not the Wave. However, the most fascinating about the press release is how it spread throughout social media. You would think everybody became a specialist of general relativity in an instant. The effect detected by the LIGO interferometer, whatever it is (space-time waves? ether disturbance? other?), and whatever the cause, was registered on September 14, 2015. Whether it's a common occurrence or an isolated event remains to be seen. If it is the latter, maybe it has some significance from a cosmic point of view, especially regarding the date and the current state of the world.
 
I'm not buying it just yet. Didn't Ark write a book on the corruption of Science? Does a person grant any credibility at all to any first announcement of anything coming from that domain? I certainly don't. Vested interests dominate in this area.

Supposedly this same thing was already discovered and announced in 2014. When all the hoopla dust settled from that, there had been a reversal using the face-saving device of claiming dust in the Milky Way mimicked the gravity wave signature. I haven't heard yet whether Alan Guth returned his million dollar award. Probably not.

This is just SOP for mainstream science, though. For example, as far back as 2003, the "speed" of gravity was supposedly measured and found to be essentially the same as the speed of light (c). Later, a flaw in the math was discovered. The authors of the original research had mistaken speed in their data as speed of gravity. Stuart Samuel was one of the few mainstream physiscists to trouble themselves to explain the error:
_http://www2.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/Phys-speed-of-gravity.html

And what about that manufactured-from-nothing Higgs detection? All these instances have also had a lot of authors' names attached, just like this latest effort does, but since when does the truth need so big a bandwagon?

Why does the mainstream do this? I think the mainstream needs this to keep their models intact. But, as I don't believe their standard model, I also don't believe anything they say on their first announcement.

We might do well to consider the insidious nature of propaganda when we're exposed to this stuff. I say 'insidious' because even Einstein flip-flopped on the subject of gravitons and gravity waves and we are no closer to the truth today, despite the massive amounts of money spent on this.

Note: I'm not saying gravity waves don't exist. I'm not saying anything at all about gravity waves. I don't know and it would be fine with me if they do exist. I'm just talking about this announcement and the way mainstream manipulates us. I just don't see anything here that brings me any closer to knowing.
 
Buddy said:
I'm not buying it just yet. Didn't Ark write a book on the corruption of Science? Does a person grant any credibility at all to any first announcement of anything coming from that domain? I certainly don't. Vested interests dominate in this area.
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Also the G-Wave "discoverers"'s and their Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO) actually got more than $1 billion from taxpayers over the past 14 years, for this one, fake proof of g-waves. The video above is pretty explicit and Ed really wanted to mention it again, just because he feels the wish for revenge when it comes to this fake scientists. Problem is a lot of people(as Ed saw on Facebook) praise this discovery and praise Einstein, and they have no idea what this discovery really is, but as long as it is an Argument from Authority, they believe like sheeps. Ed felt so sad about this. One guy actually tried to post this on a Facebook thread and a lot of people responded violently, making him stupid and imbecile for doubting the "scientists" that "discovered" this g-waves.
 
Re: gravity waves

Mal7 said:
nyseday said:
Well, huge discovery yesterday by astrophysicists at LIGO regarding Gravity Waves. I won't bore you with explanations, it's all over the news. But I was wondering if they are the same thing as what Laura wrote in the "The Wave" series and what Cassiopaeans have mentioned multiple times.
Click to expand...
It is an interesting discovery. I don't think it should be confused with "the wave" of the Cassiopaean series. There are many types of waves - sound waves, ocean waves, waves in the electro-magnetic spectrum, and now gravity waves. This gravity wave is a tiny distortion of the space-time dimensions, that fits computer simulations of what a gravity wave produced when two black holes merge into each other should look like, based on Einstein's theory of 1915. Now more "observatories" of this type will be built, and it will give a new way of looking at the universe, just as radio telescopes allowed us to see the universe in a different way than optical telescopes.

There is a longer video about the discovery at the link below. The speaker at 30:54-39:10 gives a good outline of the discovery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_582rU6neLc ["'We have detected gravitational waves!', breakthrough discovery confirmed" RT, 11 Feb 2016]
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Thank you Mal7 for your insight. You are right, we should never jump to any conclusions, but keep observing
 
edgitarra said:
What about this? This guy is pretty good at telling that this is a scam.
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I'm not so sure. He is long on invective and slander and short on analysis and argument. I can sum up his argument:

"Its not gravitational waves because its not gravitational waves".
 
mkrnhr said:
True, gravitational waves are not the Wave. However, the most fascinating about the press release is how it spread throughout social media. You would think everybody became a specialist of general relativity in an instant. The effect detected by the LIGO interferometer, whatever it is (space-time waves? ether disturbance? other?), and whatever the cause, was registered on September 14, 2015. Whether it's a common occurrence or an isolated event remains to be seen. If it is the latter, maybe it has some significance from a cosmic point of view, especially regarding the date and the current state of the world.
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The discovery recorded by the instruments was a small pattern of "squiggles", occurring within 0.2 seconds. For these squiggles to be seen as "gravity waves", they have to be interpreted in terms of some particular theory, and some accompanying complex mathematics. That theory may or may not be correct. The squiggles were found soon after turning the interferometer on during a testing period. One of the scientists has a paper in which he calculates that these squiggles could be fairly common, and might be expected to be found several times a year. Previous interferometers have been built, but this one was 3 times more sensitive than those earlier ones, and detected an effect so small that it wouldn't have stood out from the general noise level on the less-sensitive interferometers. In relation to the Wave, I thought it was interesting they mentioned that as well as waves with a frequency in the range of fractions of a second, as these waves were, there may also be waves with frequencies in the range of day-long, week-long, thousands of years long, and even billions of years long.

The interferometer consists of an arrangement of lasers at right angles to each other. A laser is fired 4km to a mirror along each of these perpendicular passages, and reflected back. The mirrors are suspended to avoid being influenced by seismic activity, trucks driving past etc. The mirrors are adjusted so that the distance is exactly 4km. The output of the returning laser beams is combined through another mirror, and then the pattern of the combined output is observed to detect if the 4km distance has altered. The squiggles that were found are being interpreted as showing that the distance in one direction versus the other shifted by a tiny amount, less than the size of a proton, over the 4km.

Two interferometers in different parts of the country are used, as the results of just one interferometer would be unable to determine if such tiny effects were produced by local noise. Since the discovery was recorded by the two interferometers simultaneously in September 2015, they have been going over their other instruments such as seismometers to see if there could be a terrestrial, rather than cosmic, cause for the disturbance.

That's my rough impression of the "official story" anyway. It is certainly possible that with billions of dollars of research funding at stake, some corruption might find its way into the research processes.
 
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