Third party prospects. Gary Johnson & Jill Stein

Rennie564

Padawan Learner
Hi. I'm hoping to see SOTT have some articles on third party options for the US elections. I don't think Jill Stein has a chance. She's polling too low to get into debates and isn't on the ballot in all 50 states. Gary Johnson on the other hand is on the ballot in all 50 states and is nearing a high enough polling number that it looks like they may have to include him in debates.

I've been reading up on him as a candidate and have had the weirdest thought....if he could make it through...somehow...if enough people vote third party to cause an electoral upheaval. There could be change on the horizon. I tend to trust articles I find on SOTT more than anywhere else. Since the mainstream really really doesn't want to cover these candidates, I'm having a hard time finding good information from very many sources.

I'm wondering if this is the year that people will step outside the two party (really only one party) system? Trump and Clinton are polling soooo horribly. I've been a registered voter for 17 years now and have never cast a vote for a republican or democrat. In fact last time around I just wrote in "no confidence" because the state I loved in didn't give me a third party choice on the ballot. this is the first time I've ever thought "hey wow. Maybe there's a chance"
 
If enough people voted away from the two main parties that might be something, but I think people are too scared. That's the impression I get anyway. Aside from that, I'm not a huge fan of Johnson. I don't know enough about him to form a proper opinion, but I do like Stein. She'd be a good candidate. I'd like to see her go head to head with HRC in a debate. Of course, it seems like a fantasy. People are so wrapped up in their anti-Trump or anti-Hillary stances to get outside of that two party box. It's like Russophobia or thinking Russia will invade Ukraine if Trump wins, or that Putin hacked the DNC to influence the election. This country is full of halfwits, sadly.
 
Rennie564 said:
Hi. I'm hoping to see SOTT have some articles on third party options for the US elections. I don't think Jill Stein has a chance. She's polling too low to get into debates and isn't on the ballot in all 50 states. Gary Johnson on the other hand is on the ballot in all 50 states and is nearing a high enough polling number that it looks like they may have to include him in debates.

I've been reading up on him as a candidate and have had the weirdest thought....if he could make it through...somehow...if enough people vote third party to cause an electoral upheaval. There could be change on the horizon. I tend to trust articles I find on SOTT more than anywhere else. Since the mainstream really really doesn't want to cover these candidates, I'm having a hard time finding good information from very many sources.

I'm wondering if this is the year that people will step outside the two party (really only one party) system? Trump and Clinton are polling soooo horribly. I've been a registered voter for 17 years now and have never cast a vote for a republican or democrat. In fact last time around I just wrote in "no confidence" because the state I loved in didn't give me a third party choice on the ballot. this is the first time I've ever thought "hey wow. Maybe there's a chance"

Hi Rennie564,

Yeah, sometimes I wonder, too - what would happen if an honest and skillful politician got voted into office? But then again, I remind myself that the Western political system is broken beyond repair. With "alternative" or "third party" candidates, I think there are only two scenarios: either they are prevented from being elected (media smear campaigns, fraud, etc.), or they say all the right things but turn out to be in line with establishment politics, like Obama, Bill Clinton etc.

And even if a genuine "alternative" candidate were elected, let's not forget that she/he would have to face the intelligence/military industrial complex/big business establishment, which has all the power to prevent any substantial change, and even kick out a president from office by fabricating and hyping scandals, or even kill him/her (JFK). They had at least half a century to build their networks and power base.

Another aspect I think is that we shouldn't hope too much for a "savior" - it's not that someone will take office and solve our problems. I think it's better to focus on what we can do, be the change you want to see and all that.

At least, that's my take on it right now, but as we know, things are changing fast nowadays, so I think it's good to be open to many different thoughts and scenarios, while observing closely what's happening everywhere.
 
luc said:
Rennie564 said:
Hi. I'm hoping to see SOTT have some articles on third party options for the US elections. I don't think Jill Stein has a chance. She's polling too low to get into debates and isn't on the ballot in all 50 states. Gary Johnson on the other hand is on the ballot in all 50 states and is nearing a high enough polling number that it looks like they may have to include him in debates.

I've been reading up on him as a candidate and have had the weirdest thought....if he could make it through...somehow...if enough people vote third party to cause an electoral upheaval. There could be change on the horizon. I tend to trust articles I find on SOTT more than anywhere else. Since the mainstream really really doesn't want to cover these candidates, I'm having a hard time finding good information from very many sources.

I'm wondering if this is the year that people will step outside the two party (really only one party) system? Trump and Clinton are polling soooo horribly. I've been a registered voter for 17 years now and have never cast a vote for a republican or democrat. In fact last time around I just wrote in "no confidence" because the state I loved in didn't give me a third party choice on the ballot. this is the first time I've ever thought "hey wow. Maybe there's a chance"

Hi Rennie564,

Yeah, sometimes I wonder, too - what would happen if an honest and skillful politician got voted into office? But then again, I remind myself that the Western political system is broken beyond repair. With "alternative" or "third party" candidates, I think there are only two scenarios: either they are prevented from being elected (media smear campaigns, fraud, etc.), or they say all the right things but turn out to be in line with establishment politics, like Obama, Bill Clinton etc.

And even if a genuine "alternative" candidate were elected, let's not forget that she/he would have to face the intelligence/military industrial complex/big business establishment, which has all the power to prevent any substantial change, and even kick out a president from office by fabricating and hyping scandals, or even kill him/her (JFK). They had at least half a century to build their networks and power base.

Another aspect I think is that we shouldn't hope too much for a "savior" - it's not that someone will take office and solve our problems. I think it's better to focus on what we can do, be the change you want to see and all that.

At least, that's my take on it right now, but as we know, things are changing fast nowadays, so I think it's good to be open to many different thoughts and scenarios, while observing closely what's happening everywhere.

I don't disagree with you, but if we are to be the change we want to be, then how is it a waste to vote for a human being, to take a small action and cast a wish? That is a significant action, and a step in the right direction, OSIT. I get that it likely won't happen. Between electronic voting machines and the nonstop fear-mongering, it's a long shot at best. Let's not forget about Brexit though. The PTB does make mistakes. Now, don't get me wrong, even if someone like Dr. Stein is elected, he/she would have an almost impossible position to maintain. It's almost too much to ask of one person, really. And, I'm not saying I'm hoping for a savior. For me, it's just trying to put someone into office who actually represents humanity. It sends an important signal. JFK is still sending ripples through history and RFK knew the risk but went for it anyway. If someone is willing to take up that call, we should help support that person, at least in my view. Otherwise, what are we doing? Just watching? I don't like that. Better to take some small action than do nothing, OSIT.
 
These from the Columbus Dispatch:

Gary Johnson wants you to know there's another choice for presiden

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Shawn Bengali takes a selfie with Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson, right, on Thursday in Cleveland.

By Randy Ludlow The Columbus Dispatch • Thursday July 21, 2016 9:49 PM

CLEVELAND — Gary Johnson says Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have gotten themselves just where he wants them.

Each is packing the baggage of deep dislike among voters. Johnson is not weighed down by such scorn. Few people know him.

The Libertarian Party presidential nominee says his anonymity is an advantage in a year in which voters dissatisfied with the choices could be shopping for an alternative to the Republican and the Democrat.

“I think our records and resumes will hold up and garner a lot more support going forward. It’s a perfect storm,” said Johnson, who served two terms as New Mexico’s fiscally conservative and socially liberal Republican governor from 1995 to 2003.

Recent polling puts Johnson, along with running mate William Weld, a former Republican governor from Massachusetts, around the 13-percent mark — high cotton for a candidate who attracted 1 percent of the presidential vote in 2012.

Johnson is working the streets outside the national convention of his former party, racking up exposure with TV and newspaper interviews, including with The Dispatch on Thursday, and meeting supporters.

“Libertarians keep the government out of the bedroom and out of my pocketbook,” said Johnson, who believes in limited government, lower taxes and citizens’ rights to generally do whatever they want, so long as it harms no one else.


“Hillary Clinton is going to get into your pocketbook. Donald Trump appears he is going to get into your pocketbook and your bedroom,” said the 63-year-old adventurer, who has competed in Ironman triathlons and climbed each of the highest peaks, including Mt. Everest, on each of the seven continents.

He faults Clinton as the “architect” of failed foreign policy in which U.S. troops too often are deployed into harm's way. Johnson said he is a “skeptic” about military intervention, which has contributed to “a less-safe world instead of a more-safe world.”

The Libertarian would cut military spending by 20 percent and believes ISIS has been "regionally contained" and will be destroyed as a terrorist threat.

Johnson would eliminate prison sentences for minor drug crimes and supports the legalization of marijuana.
He used medicinal pot for three years after a near-fatal paragliding crash in 2005.

All immigrants who pass background checks and pay taxes would be welcomed, said the former border-state governor. "They are not murderers and rapists ... they are not taking jobs U.S. citizens want."

He concedes he has no chance of winning unless he gains the forum of the debates between Clinton and Trump to present his platform to what could be the most-watched presidential debates in history.
Johnson must hit an average of 15-percent support in five unspecified national polls to take the stage.

Johnson also hopes people will study the issues and candidates’ stances, with many coming to the realization they are Libertarian — and don’t recognize it.

After his interview, Johnson walked blocks through a people-packed downtown. Only 20-year-old Shaun Bengali, of Toms River, N.J. recognized the minor-party candidate and requested a selfie that Johnson happily provided. “The Republican Party has abandoned me on social issues,” Bengali said. “ I’m leaning Libertarian.”

Letter to Editor:
Gary Johnson is Libertarian alternative

Thursday July 21, 2016 5:00 AM

We have read and heard much about the dissatisfaction many Americans feel about the major-party presidential candidates. The Associated Press article “Fear factor: Americans scared of their options” in Friday’s Dispatch underlined this when it cited polls stating that 81 percent of Americans would be afraid if one of them won the presidency, with 25 percent scared of both.

We don't have to settle for either one. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, has steadily risen in both national and key state polls since his nomination in May, now garnering 10-15 percent support. In a recent Fox News poll, he outranked Hillary Clinton 23 percent to 22 percent among independents. A Pew Research Poll has him leading Donald Trump 22 percent to 21 percent among millennials. And a poll of Kansas voters showed him outranking Trump among Hispanics.

It is very possible that Johnson will achieve the 15 percent threshold in five major polls that would qualify him to appear in the presidential debates.

Americans are desperately looking for a president who really will reduce the size, scope and cost of the federal government, is committed to peace at home and abroad and has the governing experience to propose sound policy. Both Johnson and his running mate, Bill Weld, were Republican governors of heavily Democratic states. As governor of New Mexico, Johnson vetoed more legislation than the other 49 governors combined and reduced the size and cost of state government. Neither Trump nor Clinton has comparable experience.

Learn more about Gary Johnson by entering his name in your favorite search engine, or by visiting JohnsonWeld.com.

Harold D. Thomas
Vice chairman
Franklin County Libertarian Executive Committee
Columbus

Libertarian VP pick controversial:
_http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/27/gary-johnson-booed-at-libertarian-party
Petersen, who has been making hay with his contention that "It's time for us to stop nominating failed Republicans, and start nominating successful Libertarians," drew sustained applause when he challenged Johnson over Weld's Libertarian bonafides: "In 2012, he didn't endorse Ron Paul, he didn't endorse you, he endorsed Mitt Romney. In 2016, he endorsed John Kasich. Why didn't your VP pick endorse you?"

Johnson's semi-rambling answer—he started off saying that tabbing Weld was "beyond my wildest dreams," and ended up encouraging skeptics to ask his running-mate that same question during the upcoming vice-presidential debate—was punctuated by the contention that Weld was "the original libertarian." That did not go over well:

https://www.facebook.com/firefighter135/videos/10154809354423906/

(For a rundown of Weld's tangled relationship with the NYLP, read this scathing account:
_http://drtomstevens.blogspot.com/2009/06/william-weld-dishonorable-liar-turncoat.html )

Johnson/Weld Presidential ad:

_https://twitter.com/GovGaryJohnson/status/748320273754165249/video/1
 
Green Party's Jill Stein Crashes the DNC and Bernie Delegates Walk Out!
Watch the Reason TV video as the chaos unfolds at the DNC. July 27, 2016


https://youtu.be/iYrTAOnagnw

Hundreds of Bernie Sanders delegates walked off the floor of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday after the party officially nominated Hillary Clinton for the presidency.

Supporters of Sanders were enraged by a system the viewed as rigged, a belief bolstered by Wikileaks' publication of emails showing DNC insiders discussing the prospect of feeding negative stories about Sanders to the media.

Earlier in the day, Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein walked around the edge of the arena where the convention is being held. She was mobbed by supportive Sanders delegates, and some detractors, for several minutes before security escorted her away.

Reason TV caught the whole spectacle on video. Watch the full thing above. Approximately 1 minute. Produced by Zach Weissmueller, Josh Swain, and Alexis Garcia.
 
I've watched countless videos on Gary Johnson and read dozens of articles. I've been finding some interesting things when I'm reading Facebook posts of people in my friends list. Those that support trump or Clinton and post about it are getting backlash in the comments and saying they'd support a third party candidate. These are regular people, not trolls, as I tend to totally ignore any comments on public pages and posts.

People will also expend the extra effort to actually look up candidates too. When I see an argument brewing over Clinton/trump, I post a simple comment about how they aren't the only choices and that there are two other serious candidates in the running. the responses are typically something like "I googled it and found Johnson and stein. I'm not sure about stein but I really like this Johnson guy." And suddenly the conversation changes to a bunch of adults discussing calmly where libertarians stand on the issues.

Also, I was at the checkout in the grocery store this week in my very rural southern town and witnessed a conversation between two black teenagers wearing black lives matter tshirts, the white teenage girl cashier, and an old white couple...about politics. Don't know what started the conversation, but others in the checkout line started joining in. I've never seen such a civil conversation between strangers on politics. Seems the entire group had agreed Trump and Hilary were bad choices and were complaining that there is not another choice. I spoke up and did the same thing I do on Facebook posts. I just said "there are third party candidates. One of them will be on the ballot in all 50 states." That's all I had to say. A guy standing in the next line over said "yeah. Gary Johnson, right?" And people started talking about looking it up as soon as they get home. Someone threw in the comment "you'll have to. You know know of the news people are going to tell us anything worth anything."

I saw the same thing happen between a group of ladies waiting at the fabric counter just a day later. And my neighbor tried to sell ME on Gary Johnson when I ran into her. (My neighbor usually talks about nothing but gossipy things)

Now, my point. It will sound bad, BUT....honestly? I think most people around here are idiots. Full subscribers to the Sheeple Philosophy. To witness real conversations happening spontaneously and in public between these people kind of freaked me out. Are people waking up? The tone is changing. You wouldn't know it unless you paid close attention while you were out. The media isn't changing. But I think maybe the people are. What does that mean?
 
There are a number of articles in recent months showing that people are equally disgusted with both Trump and Clinton, yet I haven't come across indications of any significant rising popularity for third parties. Third parties just don't seem to be a valid option to Americans, and when you consider the amount of resources at the disposal of the real powers within the US, I think you can see why.

I don't think Johnson or Stein are on the radar of Americans, same for every national election involving third parties. The 'two-party system', even being the sham that it is, is the only existing political structure in most people's eyes. Everything 'political' revolves around it, including pseudo-ideologies that cover the 'right' and left' perspective of domestic issues. This is an out-dated and misleading mindset, which doesn't reflect or account for the global nature of the US or its extreme dominance.
 
Renaissance said:
There are a number of articles in recent months showing that people are equally disgusted with both Trump and Clinton, yet I haven't come across indications of any significant rising popularity for third parties. Third parties just don't seem to be a valid option to Americans, and when you consider the amount of resources at the disposal of the real powers within the US, I think you can see why.

I don't think Johnson or Stein are on the radar of Americans, same for every national election involving third parties. The 'two-party system', even being the sham that it is, is the only existing political structure in most people's eyes. Everything 'political' revolves around it, including pseudo-ideologies that cover the 'right' and left' perspective of domestic issues. This is an out-dated and misleading mindset, which doesn't reflect or account for the global nature of the US or its extreme dominance.

I think they are on the radar, but everyone seems so stuck in the mindset that if they don't vote for X they're voting for Z. If you vote for Stein, you;re voting for Trump. If you vote for Johnson you're voting for Hillary. Apparently, it's also my fault that Bush got elected because I stayed home. Eh. I'm going 3rd party down the line just to protest Ds and Rs. Won't likely make a difference but I'm sick of people telling me that A. voting is important, and B. I have to vote D or R or it's a wasted vote.
 
How's that song go . . . "I won't be fooled again!"

Wishful thinking:

Gary Johnson Is Like a Box Of Chocolates: You Never Know What You’re Going to Get

Remember in the movie Forest Gump when Forest said this now-famous line? “My momma always said, “Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get.”

Well, he and his momma could have been talking about alleged Libertarian Gary Johnson. Just when you thought there might be a presidential candidate who truly stands for liberty and personal freedom, you end up with a box of rather surprising fruit and nuts.

Bless his heart, he seems to be really confused about a few things. First of all, I don’t think “libertarian” means what he thinks it means. Maybe he just couldn’t get nominated as a Democrat or a Republican. Secondly, his firmly held opinions seem to firmly change, depending on who he’s talking to and whether he wants to pander to the right or to the left. (At the moment, he’s leaning left.)

Johnson just can’t seem to take a consistent stance on several big issues.

Mandatory Vaccines


Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party presidential candidate and former (Republican) governor of New Mexico, changed his stance on a controversial issue: mandatory vaccination.

In 2011, Johnson said

Gov. Gary Johnson on Twitter: "No to mandatory vaccines" 6:12 PM - 12 Sep 2011

But, in an interview with VPR yesterday, he said
“You know, since I’ve said that … I’ve come to find out that without mandatory vaccines, the vaccines that would in fact be issued would not be effective,” he said. “So … it’s dependent that you have mandatory vaccines so that every child is immune. Otherwise, not all children will be immune even though they receive a vaccine.”

Johnson said he believes vaccination policy should be handled at the local level.

“In my opinion, this is a local issue. If it ends up to be a federal issue, I would come down on the side of science and I would probably require that vaccine,” he said.

I’d like to know what Johnson means by “require that vaccine.”

To what extreme would he go to enforce that “requirement”?

Would he lock parents up for refusing to vaccinate their children?

Johnson went on to explain that his change of heart occurred recently:

“It’s an evolution actually just in the last few months, just in the last month or so,” he said. “I was under the belief that … ‘Why require a vaccine? If I don’t want my child to have a vaccine and you want yours to, let yours have the vaccine and they’ll be immune.’ Well, it turns out that that’s not the case, and it may sound terribly uninformed on my part, but I didn’t realize that.”

Pssst…you still sound terribly uniformed, sir.

While the Libertarian Party does not have an official stance on vaccination, the party’s platform is one of self-ownership and individual rights:

Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and must accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Our support of an individual’s right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government.

Individuals own their bodies and have rights over them that other individuals, groups, and governments may not violate. Individuals have the freedom and responsibility to decide what they knowingly and voluntarily consume, and what risks they accept to their own health, finances, safety, or life.

I guess Johnson didn’t get that memo.

Oh, but wait!

Yesterday Johnson attempted to clarify his stance on mandatory vaccinations at a rally in New Hampshire.

Here’s what he said, from Reason:

And I support a person’s right to choose, so when it comes to vaccinations we should be able to make the decision whether we want to vaccinate our kids or not. I choose to vaccinate my kid and you never say never. Look, in the case of a zombie apocalypse taking over the United States, and there is a vaccine for that, as president of the United States, you might find me mandating that vaccine.

A zombie apocalypse? Really.

Johnson’s campaign sent a detailed statement on his mandatory vaccination stance to Reason (commentary in italics is mine):

Today, there are no federal laws mandating vaccinations, and that is as it should be. No adult should be required by the government to inject anything into his or her body.

Notice he says ADULT…what about the children?


Each of the 50 states has varying vaccination requirements for children, consistent with their responsibilities for public education and providing a safe environment for students who are required to attend school under state law. Likewise, each of the 50 states has varying opportunities for parents to seek exemptions from vaccination requirements for legitimate reasons of personal belief. That, too, is as it should be.

Sounds just a wee bit socialist there, no? Also, no: “each” of the 50 states does NOT offer an exemption from vaccination for “legitimate reasons of personal belief.” Less than half offer a philosophical exemption, and while all but California allow religious exemptions, one must be prepared to defend that exemption…and the government can override that exemption if it has a “compelling State interest.”

And while I personally believe some states’ ‘opt-out’ provisions are not adequate in terms of personal freedom, those laws and requirements are appropriately beyond the scope of the federal government—including the President.

Clearly, if and when a major outbreak of a communicable disease occurs that crosses state lines or sweeps the nation, then appropriate levels of government have an obligation to act—and act rapidly. As President, it would be irresponsible to rule out scientifically and medically sound responses to such an emergency.

So, Mr. Johnson, what you are really saying is that you are fine with the government enforcing mandatory vaccination.

Government has a responsibility to help keep our children and our communities safe. At the same time, government has a responsibility to preserve individual freedom. Vaccination policies must respect both of those responsibilities. I personally believe in vaccinations, and my children were vaccinated. But it is not for me to impose that belief on others.

Again, sounds a bit – no, a lot – socialist. Government has a responsibility to keep children safe? Since when? If that were the case, it sure as heck would not be mandating vaccinations!

Let’s contrast Johnson’s flip-floppy comments with the stance of Ron Paul.

Paul, who has run for president as a Libertarian and a Republican and is a retired PHYSICIAN – has warned that there are two issues to consider regarding mandatory vaccination: the medical issue, and the liberty issue.

In an interview last year, Dr. Paul said,

I think, medically, there are a lot of arguments still going on on what should be done, and I think that it’s not hard and fast. It hasn’t been settled. I think sometimes you hear that… there is absolutely no discussion on global warming. Everybody knows the absolute facts, and if you don’t, you are some sort of nut and they don’t look at it, and this is the way this is. But the bigger question for me is, why do we allow our politicians to get involved and make major, major decisions like this?

I think that what we must do is further the education and there is a lot going on with the education, because there is a great deal of danger with these immunizations.

Can you call Mr. Johnson and explain this to him, please, Dr. Paul?

It’s difficult to figure out which angle Johnson is trying to take. He contradicts himself at every turn.

On August 16, 2016 Johnson wrote an editorial for Time, arguing, “We need to stop criminalizing personal choice.”

Here’s an excerpt from that piece.

I sometimes wonder: Why is it so difficult for so many to grasp that in a free society, we need to allow people to make choices, even if we might personally disagree with those choices and as long as they don’t harm others.

Defending someone else’s beliefs and non-harmful actions is defending civil liberties. And standing up for civil liberties and civil rights is the essence of America.

Conversely, when government tries to impose values on society and limit personal choices, it doesn’t work—and it shouldn’t.

Yet, he supports the idea of mandatory vaccination. What a head-scratcher.

But, unfortunately, that’s not all…Johnson is also okie-dokie with allowing government to meddle in other parts of our lives.

Religious Freedom


In March, the Fox Business Network aired a presidential forum for three LP candidates. When the topic of religious liberty and discrimination came up, Johnson said:

“I think that if you discriminate on the basis of religion, I think that is a black hole. I think you should be able to discriminate for stink or you’re not wearing shoes or whatever. If we discriminate on the basis of religion, to me, that’s doing harm to a big class of people.”

When one of the other candidates asked Johnson if a Jewish baker should be required to bake a Nazi-themed wedding cake, Johnson offered a startling reply:

“That would be my contention, yes.”

Johnson doubled down in an interview with Timothy P. Carney of the Washington Examiner in late July:

Carney: You think it’s the federal government’s job to prevent—

Johnson: “Discrimination. Yes.”

Carney: In all cases?

Johnson: “Yes, yes, in all cases. Yes.”

Mr. Johnson, once again, it is time for a review of YOUR PARTY’S principles:

Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals.

People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.

Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever standards of association they deem appropriate, and individuals are free to respond with ostracism, boycotts and other free-market solutions.

Carbon Tax

On Monday, Johnson came out in favor of a carbon tax to fight global warming.

But at that NH rally yesterday, he backtracked:

If any of you heard me say I support a carbon tax…Look, I haven’t raised a penny of taxes in my political career and neither has Bill [Weld]. We were looking at—I was looking at—what I heard was a carbon fee which from a free-market standpoint would actually address the issue and cost less. I have determined that, you know what, it’s a great theory but I don’t think it can work, and I’ve worked my way through that.
Guns

Johnson has said he is for gun rights, but in June, he said something alarming to USA Today:

“We should be open to a discussion on keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. I don’t know how that manifests itself, but I’m looking to get elected president of the United States. I just want to let people know I have an open mind about how we might, how government might, interject itself in a lot of the problems we have.”

And, not only did Johnson’s running mate Bill Weld – who has a gun-grabbing history – display profound ignorance about guns in a recent interview, he supports bans and violating due process:

The problem with handguns is probably even worse than the problem of the AR-15. You shouldn’t have anybody who’s on a terrorist watch list be able to buy any gun at all.

But, in the USA Today interview, Johnson said he opposes banning gun sales to those on the terrorist watch lists, because some names may appear on them in error.

It’s time to review the LP’s stance on gun ownership:

We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

This election season is certainly perplexing. Johnson and Weld are former Republicans who are running on the LP ticket and appear to be pandering to the left.

Robert Tracinski of The Federalist explains:

I’m afraid the real reason for the behavior of the Johnson-Weld ticket is the one offered by DC libertarian Bruce Majors, who explains, “The Johnson campaign is aiming for disaffected Hillary and Bernie supporters, and even more for Democrat-leaning Independents.”

They don’t view the election primarily as an opportunity to posture, to educate, or to virtue signal. They view it as a way to get either 5 percent of the vote and federal funding in 2020 or better yet 15 percent in the polls and debate inclusion in 2016, as steps to crack the two party system.


Johnson himself seems to confirm this. In the same interview where he supports a carbon tax, he describes his ticket’s electoral strategy: “It’s a big six-lane highway down the middle that Bill Weld and myself are occupying.”

So, what exactly does Gary Johnson stand for?


That’s a very good question. We’re not sure even he knows this.

We wanted to like Gary Johnson. The research team here at DaisyLuther.com was unanimous in hoping that we’d discover he had been misrepresented, and that he was a viable option who represented the Libertarian platform. (We’re pretending, for the sake of this argument, that voting actually means something.) Lots of our friends really like Johnson, and we hoped to be able to provide them with a conclusive opinion about Johnson’s beliefs. Unfortunately, our Johnsonite friends are probably going to be mad at us now. But hey, don’t worry. He’ll probably change his mind soon, nullifying our findings yet again.

Currently, our conclusion is this:

As it turns out, Gary Johnson is neither being misrepresented nor is he even really a Libertarian.


The Libertarian Party proclaims itself to be “The Party of Principle.”

Is compromising your party’s platform to suit an agenda a “principled” thing to do?

_http://daisyluther.com/gary-johnson-is-like-a-box-of-chocolates-you-never-know-what-youre-going-to-get/

So there you have it - schizoid Prez candidate #3.

It was nice to see that the line from Forrest Gump was correctly quoted. Too bad the Mandela Effect can't be blamed for Johnson's vacillating stances.
 
I have same concerns about Johnson. He is taking some decidedly un-libertarian stances. What happened?
I was 100% behind him last time he ran. Not the case now. :(

I want to add that working with that campaign last time was a good thing for me. It opened my eyes to what a sham is the whole system, including poll reports, media coverage, lies, lies, lies. I needed to see this.
 

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At this point, my largest concern with Gary Johnson is not even Gary Johnson.....it's Bill Weld his running mate. That guy gives me bad vibes. It's like he stepped out of time to now. Something's not right with him. Glad I checked into the forum today. It's been a long time. Thanks for the vaccine stance info. I'm going to go dig deeper now.
 
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