Trump era: Fascist dawn, or road to liberation?

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I'm kind of speechless about Lauren Southern. I've seen a lot of her segments covering the Gender/Jordan Peterson debates and also her coverage of BLM Canada, etc. and she always seemed on the ball in that regards. But to hear her go on that almost all Muslims are "X, Y and Z" is disheartening. I think we are in perilous times where it's very easy to fall down that slippery slope of pointing the finger at the "other" and this is what we are seeing today. Separation between East and West, Islam vs the West, left vs right, men vs women - meanwhile there is an attempt at blurring the lines between gender and sexuality, so it's very confusing and chaotic. It's like these major divides have opened up between people when we should be coming together and working past our differences. For one, observing my own psychology throughout all of this, is that when you are grouped into an opposing camp, even if you weren't initially part of that camp, people have the tendency of entrenching themselves in that opposing/opposite stance, almost as a reaction to the extreme nature of the other persons viewpoints or accusations. So I think it's a matter of necessity and survival to keep our heads on straight, don't give into these manufactured dichotomies and see things for what they are, osit.

I am starting to notice more and more a feeling of being grounded. Even in all these tumultuous times. To use an analogy, it is like wind, at first it picks up only the small things, dust, leaves, etc, and gradually as it increases picks up larger and larger items. To the point where in a typhoon or tornado, pretty well everything can get swept away. So as the wind, (or the wave) approaches even those that thought they had a solid foundation of thought, incrementally are getting swept up. You could apply that to Laura Southern. She had a lot of the right thoughts, but not the whole foundation to anchor her. And now that the PTB is turning up the dial, she is getting swept up. Hope that makes sense....
 
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Yas said:
And then...

voyageur said:
Pashalis said:
What I find interesting is that the hate against islam and in general devaluing all islamic people as sub humans, seems to present across the spectrum on both sides, be it liberal or conservative, and also widely held in the Trump camp.

If one think worked incredibly good, then it is exactly this dehumanization of a whole population on earth (that is 1.7 billion people). It's incredible, and one can not help to think that there might be a successful zionist agenda behind it and also remember what the C's said about the end goal being to annihilate that part of humanity.

Here a little example on the views on islam and islamic people from one Trump supporter out of India:

_https://youtu.be/xn0vRKJOz8E?t=22m23s

Additionally, peeps here may have watched Linda Southern on Rebel News discuss with Jordan Peterson et al on the issue of neoliberilsim. Here is an interesting clip from yesterday in Washington by Linda who was there covering the event. She interviews two people (anti-Trump's) yet seems to have herself become caught up in the milieu of anti-islam speech, so I think you are correct, both camps have been inculcated with fear of islam - when did it start exactly, likely in earnest during historical times and post WWII, yet off the charts post 9/11.

_https://youtu.be/3MYjY9yddy0

It was discouraging to see Linda Southern being so closed with this guys. But then, that's what happens when people embrace an ideology, OSIT, it seems that reasonable people who can think get stuck in one side or the other and then they start picking a side on every subject. Linda talks about facts, but what facts is she selecting? And this is very important, I think, how ideology makes us select the "facts" that are useful to our ideology and discard other facts that aren't.

Because someone somwhere has a valid opinion on some point, that doesn't mean that they are rational about everything else. People are brainswashed to think that all Muslims are related to the US-backed Islamic terrorists who first of all target Muslims. Truth is mixed with lies etc.

Yas said:
I think that this also brings up the importance of networking because we can't possibly have ALL the facts, and we can be misguided sometimes, but being together, networking, sharing our views (here, a place where people are really trying to be objective and truly value the truth), can help us navigate in such a time of lies. I almost literally see it as a light in the middle of the darkness. It's truth in the middle of SO MANY lies and confusion.
This is a very important point. There is a lot of disinformation out there and it's easy to get trapped by an emotional hook. After all, they have a century if not more of experience on how to manipulate the masses.

Yas said:
I have many leftist friends who are supporting the women's march now and it strikes me that they, who are normally reasonable people, can't really see the nonsense of this march. I mean, when did Trump say he would limit women's rights? I really don't remember him saying anything like that, so why are these people protesting again? Is it really a women's march or is it just an anti-Trump march? Because if they are protesting for women's rights, why are they protesting now and not before when their government was funded by and funding people who REALLY disregard women? Can't people ask this very simple questions before they support such a massive movement? And, by the way, how did all these people get the funds for such a massive high-class protest with women from Hollywood and the big music industry? Doesn't it sound just a bit strange?

Well, my questions can continue... my wonder is just how people are not asking questions and are just running to one side or the other in some sort of emotional group-thinking that makes them ignore what doesn't fit their ideology. And it also makes me remember how I can fall into self-deception as well so it's really important to stay vigilant, observe and question my own thinking and, most important, network!

This madness is strange and the crowd hysteria going on is manufactured and I wound be surprised if there were any kind of strange beaming going on at the same time.
 
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...this is all just pure hubris...ohh my gosh has the Women's Movement of the 1970's in the US shifted..and maybe, as evidence is coming and has been coming forth, so showing us that we are manipulated, taken for fools.

Taken for chattel, fodder -in the disgusting "war" FOR Penis Perseveration..and ooh my gosh , we are sooo sick of the peenie and it's rulership...ruling over everything and everyone..eeewwww...get rid of that sick, infected appendage..and we will all be fine....( lafn)

i am pissed off about my OWN level of ignorance, my OWN wish to align with what is "good and right and true"..and my sorrow that it was all just a manipulation, into a paradigm , NOT of my choosing...but one that I bought into, because I didn't have intelligent information to the contrary in the 1970's in the USA..it was not available in the 3D realm, in that time... or least not to me and my associates..we were not "into" the Satanic stuff, we didn't even know about it...didn't even believe it existed... it was " sooo out there"..couldn't be, could it ?

Until NOW; the TRUTH is available, in the discussions here, and elsewhere.

And i want to add that , I always thought that Laura would meet and be merged with her future "self"..but i didnt think it possible for MYself..it is and has happened..I met myself in the future..and it's amazing.."I" am amazing in the merge..but still working towards it, as i write, now..... i don't think , for me, it's a given...things can always change.. and they do. But I saw myself and FELT myself in a much more powerful, meaningful existence...it was not on this planet...it was on Venus..I know, I know..sooo weird. But I really did come from there..I saw myself and KNEW, it was me.

I used to say, 30 yrs ago, as a joke---that I was a psychic, I mean psychotic... no, wait---I mean psychic ... lol.. from Venus, having a spiral experience...and it turns out..that's prolly true..So what the heck am I here for now ?? these freaks, these cannibals, these sick f*cks, this deception ?..I don't really know...but I am really committed to fighting it, to smashing this non-sense into "sense", in to what can really be for this incarnation of humanity..

Unless we can confront the DARK, with the same abilities/technology- as they have- we ARE FOOD.

Our abilities must be restored, through an electro-magnetic shift/gravitational change..I think that is coming, and my future-self will merge with the current-self..our abilities restored means EQUAL knowledge, and then we will emerge..as a species..into our magnificence. We take our place, as earned, in the conversation. But the lying, the stealing, the cheating, the FALSE reality..has GOT TO STOP..we must have the truth, we must have real knowledge restored. We are soooo done with Babylon MajiK..the bastards..


Kinda long-winded..but we have to get through this and pull up the blinds on everything..all of it. We can see what is in the room , then...and deal with it. We can, we can. We can do it, together... and this forum, FOTCM.. most assuredly Laura and the C's..point the way...it's the KNOWLEDGE, that's what we must have..restored to us. I think this year is going to bring it...full abilities restored, so we can KNOW what we must, in order to evolve, to thrive on this planet - or others...

Just my 2 cents- B588 :cool2:

Love 2 U all..goood works come from here...this forum...
 
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m said:
Whitehouse Press Conference 21 January 2017. :lol: There's about an hour of nothing but empty air time of the press waiting in this video, skip a head to 1:10:30. That's where it starts and the hammer comes down hard! That is probably the best briefing I've ever seen.


https://youtu.be/LHcpyEXd9R8

Excellent! The audio is screwed up though and I'm surprised no one mentioned it, is it just me? It made it difficult to hear at times. At around 1.12.44 talking starts with Merry Christmas, and sounds like flight controllers(?) having a chat. It starts again later on and once again towards the end where its quite loud. humpf!
 
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A FedEx courier and former security guard from Illinois was surprised with an invitation to meet with Donald Trump after the President-elect saw a story on the struggling single father. But the special meeting wasn’t the only surprise. The young man was stunned when Trump presented him with a check for $10,000.

Trump Offers Father Down on His Luck $10,000 Check at Inaugural Event
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/20/trump-offers-father-luck-10000-check-inaugural-event/


Trump is taking over America in its most perilous economic state since World War II.

Trump Takes Over 'Riskiest' America Since World War II
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-20/trump-takes-over-riskiest-america-world-war-ii

While most are well aware that President Obama is leaving office having almost doubled the national debt during his 'reign', the more concerning fact is that this debt-splosion came with the weakest economic recovery in US history. What this means simply is that Obama is handing Trump the 'riskiest' America since World War II as debt-to-GDP is the highest since Truman.

Combine this...Worst Recovery Ever... (Graph)


Former President Barack Obama delivered remarks in a farewell event with his staff at Joint Base Andrews following President Donald Trump’s inauguration at the same moment Trump starting signing his first executive orders as president.

Obama says Farewell at the same moment President Trump signs First Executive Order
http://investmentwatchblog.com/president-trump-signs-first-executive-order-at-exact-moment-obama-was-giving-farewell-speech/

It is unclear what the executive orders said at press time. The White House website, which was updated with Trump’s policies during the inauguration, contained no information on the orders.

Trump aides have told CNN that Trump will sign ceremonial and logistical executive orders on Friday, but he could also be signing more policy-oriented orders.

Obama’s speech was consistent with most of his farewell speeches, telling the crowd that he had faith in the America people and their ability to do good together.

Following the event, Obama and former First Lady Michelle Obama boarded a plane to Palm Springs, California.

“He and his family have enjoyed the time they spent there in the past, and they’re looking forward to traveling there on Friday,” former White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said earlier this week.


"An imposter, a [political] conman and a would-be dictator," is the verdict of billionaire investor George Soros on Donald Trump.

George Soros: Trump is an imposter
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38684556

Speaking to a packed audience at his annual dinner at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Mr Soros said he was confident Mr Trump's powers would be limited by Congress.

"He won't be able to get away [with being a dictator]," he added.

Ultimately, Mr Soros said he expected Mr Trump to fail.

"The ideas that guide him are fundamentally contradictory. He has three chiefs of staff instead of one and his cabinet are very fragmented and fighting with each other," he said.

Mr Soros has been unrelentingly critical of Mr Trump since his shock election victory, and the pair have a history of friction.

During the 2016 campaign, Mr Soros donated around $10m to Trump rival Hillary Clinton.

The hedge fund manager, who initially became famous for having made $1bn by betting on the devaluation of the pound in 1992, is reported to have lost close to $1bn after the stock market rallied following Mr Trump's win.

Mr Soros attributed the rise in the markets to Mr Trump's pledge to cut regulation and taxes, but said when Mr Trump takes office - in under 24 hours - "reality will prevail".

He also said that it's impossible to predict exactly how Mr Trump will act because he hadn't expected to win, and had only started thinking seriously about what he would do after he was elected.

He also warned that Mr Trump would also divide the US further.

"Anyone who disagrees with him is not part of the people," he says.

Asked what advice, he would give to businesses preparing for the impact of the new presidency, he said, "I'd keep as far away from it as I can."
 
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SummerLite said:
Excellent! The audio is screwed up though and I'm surprised no one mentioned it, is it just me? It made it difficult to hear at times. At around 1.12.44 talking starts with Merry Christmas, and sounds like flight controllers(?) having a chat. It starts again later on and once again towards the end where its quite loud. humpf!

Whoever recorded the stream apparently had some interference coming in from a radio scanner or something like that. There are better, trimmed versions, on the net now. If you want one search for: Whitehouse press conference January 21, 2017 -- or similar.
 
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OK, so does anyone have reliable news about weather people showed up to Trump's inauguration or weather he really did have trouble drawing a crowd?
 
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Inquorate said:
OK, so does anyone have reliable news about weather people showed up to Trump's inauguration or weather he really did have trouble drawing a crowd?

Google image search shows some. Large crowds based on what I've seen from a few pics:

__https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+inauguration+photos&source=lnms&tbm=isch
 
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RedFox said:
A few things from twitter.

Trump supporter puts out fire, calls for peace.
Is swiftly punched in the face by anti-Trump "protesters".

https://youtu.be/3zcb57AMlpw
Things are becoming very crazy and disturbing meltdown. All these voilence sounding like Ukraine maidan. It's worrying to consider what this Soro's &Co will do next.
 
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Inquorate said:
OK, so does anyone have reliable news about weather people showed up to Trump's inauguration or weather he really did have trouble drawing a crowd?
At this point in time, lot of claims, counter claims regarding the crowd number going on. I think, the actual numbers will come out in next 2 or 3 days. Here is a article that talks about how the count is done.
_https://www.fastcompany.com/3067376/fast-cities/the-science-and-politics-of-counting-the-crowds-at-the-inauguration-and-womens-m

Interestingly , MSM narrative changed from the day of inauguration. Now, they are saying, lot of crowd came for womens march ( Anti- Trump rally) happen to watch Trump's inauguration.
 
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Excuse me for posting this clip again. It is a shorter, cleaner version and Sean Spicer gives the numbers of how many people where at the inauguration and shows pictures. The turn out was huge, the largest in history even for Obama. He calls out the lies put out about the crowd being so small by MSM. In Trumps talk with the CIA, he thought there may have been around 1,000,000,000. The pictures shown, by Spicer, look like that could be correct. 20 blocks of people filled the scene.

Thanks m, thought a saboteur was to blame.


https://youtu.be/amz62uUYPeo
 
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m said:
Niall said:
luc said:
My wife and I watched the inauguration live on RT - one thing we noticed was that Trump's speech was really totally left-wing!

Same here! I thought: "At last, the US has a socialist president!"

Trump's first port of call on Day 1? Langley, Virginia :O

https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/10155142410649411/

Have a listen to the above; he basically had a chat today with the CIA rank-and-file, then left the place to applause.

He's very smart, that Trump.

Yeah. I took that to possibly be symbolic on his part given how the media has been infiltrated.

It looks like he is following the old adage "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer!"
 
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Richard S said:
m said:
Niall said:
luc said:
My wife and I watched the inauguration live on RT - one thing we noticed was that Trump's speech was really totally left-wing!

Same here! I thought: "At last, the US has a socialist president!"

Trump's first port of call on Day 1? Langley, Virginia :O

https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/10155142410649411/

Have a listen to the above; he basically had a chat today with the CIA rank-and-file, then left the place to applause.

He's very smart, that Trump.

Yeah. I took that to possibly be symbolic on his part given how the media has been infiltrated.

It looks like he is following the old adage "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer!"

Perhaps President Trump is more like Putin than we think. I consider Putin to be quite smart and difficult to "anticipate".

As this interesting article (not a perfect news source but interesting) tries to estimate his IQ:
Donald Trump is a Genius – But That’s Just His IQ!
I estimate that Mr. Trump has a 156 IQ at the minimum.
 
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goyacobol said:
Perhaps President Trump is more like Putin than we think. I consider Putin to be quite smart and difficult to "anticipate".

As this interesting article (not a perfect news source but interesting) tries to estimate his IQ:
Donald Trump is a Genius – But That’s Just His IQ!
I estimate that Mr. Trump has a 156 IQ at the minimum.

That's an interesting article with some good psychology quotes and description. I couldn't help but think about many of the members of this forum in the personality descriptions.
 
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angelburst29 said:
George Soros: Trump is an imposter
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38684556

Speaking to a packed audience at his annual dinner at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Mr Soros said he was confident Mr Trump's powers would be limited by Congress.

"He won't be able to get away [with being a dictator]," he added.

Ultimately, Mr Soros said he expected Mr Trump to fail.

"The ideas that guide him are fundamentally contradictory. He has three chiefs of staff instead of one and his cabinet are very fragmented and fighting with each other," he said.

Mr Soros has been unrelentingly critical of Mr Trump since his shock election victory, and the pair have a history of friction.

During the 2016 campaign, Mr Soros donated around $10m to Trump rival Hillary Clinton.

The hedge fund manager, who initially became famous for having made $1bn by betting on the devaluation of the pound in 1992, is reported to have lost close to $1bn after the stock market rallied following Mr Trump's win.

Mr Soros attributed the rise in the markets to Mr Trump's pledge to cut regulation and taxes, but said when Mr Trump takes office - in under 24 hours - "reality will prevail".

He also said that it's impossible to predict exactly how Mr Trump will act because he hadn't expected to win, and had only started thinking seriously about what he would do after he was elected.

He also warned that Mr Trump would also divide the US further.

"Anyone who disagrees with him is not part of the people," he says.

Asked what advice, he would give to businesses preparing for the impact of the new presidency, he said, "I'd keep as far away from it as I can."

Mr. Soros, while talking from Davos (on the heels of losing a billion it seems) might think to exerciser a reality check as he might run out of 'committed' friends and cash funnels. He may talk boldly from the mountains of Switzerland, yet like the C's said of some of the ptb; think in reference to Rockefeller, they may have a bad day. Was that statement the C's once made tied to the new power politics in Washington, can't say, yet perhaps this is part of it. As Soros mentions in bold, Trump may in fact do the opposite, not divide but attract. Trump might, with some help, even reveal the people behind the curtain, and once people glimpse this and better understand, that may change the balance, at least for awhile.

Good luck Mr. President Trump, may your leaderships be fruitful for your people and benevolent to the world!
 
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