Enamel on my teeth alarmingly disapearing !

Esprit

Esprit

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Hello guys ! The enamel on front lower teeth is fading away. I can also feel with my tongue roughness behind the teeth, brittle.
According to ths article here: http://cassiopaea.org/cass/fluoride.htm

Dental fluorosis is a mottling of the teeth. In its mildest form it consists of white patches or streaks. As the severity increases the color of the patches changes from white to yellow, to orange and then to brown. In its severest form dental fluorosis results in loss of tooth enamel and extreme brittleness. The only known cause of dental fluorosis is exposure to fluoride and the rates are increasing.
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If fluoride is the cause of my enamel loss I don't get it. I drink distilled water, I use toothpaste without fluoride, and I'm on a strict Keto diet. Unless the meat I eat contains fluoride ? I eat almost entirely organic or at the very least when the store is out, meat without antibiotic.

I also started smoking about a year ago I'm concerned it could be the cause.

I also wonder if Iodine and salt protocol has something to do with it. Maybe leaching out some elements I need in my bones. Or displacing fluoride in my body. I do have heavy detox symptoms for a year now, constant runny noze. I have fillings also.
The first shot I gave at Iodine I went slowly until I found the max tolerable dosage, trying to nuke the creature. I stopped for a while cause it was'nt working too well with detox symptoms.
I'm back with a gentle doze of about 5 mg. I've been using Iodine/DMSO combo with salt protocol for last 2 months, once a week but the enamel problem started before that. I've been on and off the Iodine due to heavy detox symptoms, but since I needed to start the salt protocol 2 weeks prior according to the Iodine crisis, there were also times I only did the salt skipping the Iodine because of my job, truck driving, I could'nt have heavy detox symptoms and drive. I felt better recently doing the Iodine so I doubled the dose 3 days ago and wow ! I played my best hockey since a long long time ago ! I was very energetic happy! The day after was not so good. Lack of energy was back but to a lesser extent I felt an overall improvement I will continue to expirement I might be at the end of the heavy detox. I was taking 1/4 tsp in the morning in hot water 1 hour prior to breakfast and also adding salt in my meals (maybe I went overboard here a pinch here and there I was'nt really calculating)
Maybe I went to rough with the salt and did'nt replenish enough minerals/vitamins ?

The first tries at Iodine I was taking Vitamin C (3000 mg) Selenium (200 mcg) Magnesium (250 mg)
I eventually expanded to a more complete supplementation going full Keto : Vitamin C ( between 1000-3000 mg) Magnesium (500 mg) Calcium (500 mg) Potassium Citrate (400 Mg) Omega 3 + MultiVits I'm trying to find if there is not something missing in there.

I've been prescribed a homeopath product wich I don't trust: Calcarea Fluoride ! Fluoride ???? I'm detoxing fluoride !! Also on the label ingredients: Sucrose, Lactose !!! Wow ! geez thanks for the help but unless a dozen of specialists chime in on this I'd like to find another way of solving this issue. Just to be clear I have NOT taken any of those. In the prescription booklet at the store ( natural products) it was writen to absolutely not eat pork while taking those. I found that particular cause I almost exclusively eat organic pork chops it's just very practicle and available. But I do eat organic chicken and beef also and some sardines and eggs. Some mixed leafy greens, arugula, brocoli, onions, zuchinni, almonds, walnuts, Kale chips, a bit of Rutabaga and very occasionallly I'll derive from the diet but it will not be something drastic like eating at my dad's only the chicken (not organic) tossing out any carbs and not even once a month. Only chiken and beef for the past few days since I read this I avoid pork don't know why I got scared...( where is my bacon ?? :cry:) I'm making a little change for now see how it goes.


Something cool happened, while searching on enamel without realising it, I was reading a SOTT article !! :lol:
 
Nothing stands out in your description as a cause. Are you diluting your Iodine with enough water, and then washing your mouth out with clean water afterward? Other than that don't eat any vinegar or acids. If you're taking oral vitamin C, use a straw, and/or add a little more than half the volume's worth of baking soda to make sodium ascorbate. I use an extra soft toothbrush I got on amazon and that helps. I use herbal Vicco brand toothpaste. Vitamins A, D, E, and K2 will help. Pastured butter is a good source of K2. Maybe eat some organ meats like liver, heart, and kidney for the minerals. I think green tea has a significant amount of fluoride if you're drinking that. That's what I can think of off the top of my head. Best of luck!
 
3D Student said:
Nothing stands out in your description as a cause. Are you diluting your Iodine with enough water, and then washing your mouth out with clean water afterward? Other than that don't eat any vinegar or acids. If you're taking oral vitamin C, use a straw, and/or add a little more than half the volume's worth of baking soda to make sodium ascorbate. I use an extra soft toothbrush I got on amazon and that helps. I use herbal Vicco brand toothpaste. Vitamins A, D, E, and K2 will help. Pastured butter is a good source of K2. Maybe eat some organ meats like liver, heart, and kidney for the minerals. I think green tea has a significant amount of fluoride if you're drinking that. That's what I can think of off the top of my head. Best of luck!
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Yes, according to this book Cure Tooth Decay: Heal and Prevent Cavities with Nutrition by Ramiel Nagel you can restore your teeth just by using these vitamins.
 
Hi Esprit, I wonder if the roughness you feel on the back of your teeth is due to tartar build up? saliva pools under the tongue in this area which is full of minerals and causes the calculus to constantly be forming on the back of the lower teeth. cleaning will remove it. the only thing I know that causes enamel erosion is acids in the diet, stomach acid and brushing to hard which has been mentioned here. the suppliments sound interesting. I guess your not using a weird mouth guard when playing hockey that could cause it....just a wild guess.
 
I'd also highly recommend supplementing with vitamin K. I've had very good experiences with this product (vitamin K complex):

Life Extension Super K, link: http://a.co/bmhR0Z9

I usually notice my teeth (and enamel) feeling a lot stronger when I've taken these only for a few days.
 
In addition to recommendation so far, you might want to listen to this SOTT Radio Show about teeth:
https://www.sott.net/article/325146-The-Health-Wellness-Show-Minding-your-mouth-and-natural-ways-to-keep-your-teeth

I don't know if I understood you correctly, but if your "Enamel" problem is about those white spots on the teeth, as far as I understand, it is something that is rather permanent due to toxins like fluoride in the past. In other words: it is hard to get rid of it, at all.

In regards to the "roughness" you describe there with your teeth, there is a rather simple method that is also brought up in the radio show above: Use xylitol for brushing your teeth/mouth. Immediately afterwards the roughness is gone. The teeth feel like smooth glass. Good mouth feeling.

I use a xylitol, activated coal and cocoa mix, that I mix up myself. It is very useful and teasty. I don't even have to flush the mouth out, with water afterwards. If you want to get rid of that rough feeling, xylitol is the way to go...

And about the iodine reaction: do you have a amalgam filling in the mouth, or something like that? If so, it could have a negative reaction with iodine, that causes the heavy metals in there to be realeased and swallowed by you. If you want to remove that stuff from your mouth, in the show above are also safety measures mentioned, because the removal should be done carefully. If you have stuff like that in your mouth and you can't remove it, then the other solution would be to take the iodine, not in the Lugols solution form, but rather as a tablet form that is called "Iodoral". In this way you avoid the iodine to get into contact with the amalgam.
 
Thank you all for your answers.

Are you diluting your Iodine with enough water, and then washing your mouth out with clean water afterward?
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I was diluting 5 drops of Iodine in a glass of water (2-3 cups) and fill it back up and rinse.

Other than that don't eat any vinegar or acids
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I am putting a bit of apple cider vinegar on my salad put that's about it. I'll stop for a while if it can help.

If you're taking oral vitamin C, use a straw, and/or add a little more than half the volume's worth of baking soda to make sodium ascorbate.
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Just swallowing rapidly the pills can have an adverse effect ? If I take 3000mg of Vitamin C your suggesting something like 2000mg of baking soda added in water or else ?

Vitamins A, D, E, and K2 will help. Pastured butter is a good source of K2. Maybe eat some organ meats like liver, heart, and kidney for the minerals.
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Vitamin A (palmitate) 1.050 mcg RAE/ 3.500 IU, Vitamin D3 Vitamin D (cholecalciferol) 10 mcg/ 400 IU, Vitamin E d-alpha tocopheryl acetate 100.5 mg at/150 IU. I do eat organic butter though. Just did a search on the site and realised people were using the term butter as ghee. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21718.msg228356.html#msg228356
It is also mentionned that you can keep on if you tolerate it but, I guess avoiding lactose and casein is a good idea. Coincidentally, I just spotted ghee on the shelf this very week it was in the back of my mind to try it eventually. Coming from a vegetarian diet for very long time I am not a big fan of organs. I still have trouble with steak. I'll look into liver pate though I used to like it in this form as a kid.

Yes, according to this book Cure Tooth Decay: Heal and Prevent Cavities with Nutrition by Ramiel Nagel you can restore your teeth just by using these vitamins.
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It's always good to know that I can make it happen with what I have or close. Thanks.

Hi Esprit, I wonder if the roughness you feel on the back of your teeth is due to tartar build up? saliva pools under the tongue in this area which is full of minerals and causes the calculus to constantly be forming on the back of the lower teeth. cleaning will remove it. the only thing I know that causes enamel erosion is acids in the diet, stomach acid and brushing to hard which has been mentioned here. the suppliments sound interesting. I guess your not using a weird mouth guard when playing hockey that could cause it....just a wild guess.
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I do have heavy tartar build up, my gums are bleeding easily and when I go to the dentist for clean up it's a bloody mess. But what I feel is more like a naked tooth, that's it losing some pieces, I did get a little chunk of tooth out while using dental floss. So stomach acid could really be the problem and it could be coming from vitamins supplementation.

I'd also highly recommend supplementing with vitamin K.
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Thanks for the tip...one more bottle in the basket !

In addition to recommendation so far, you might want to listen to this SOTT Radio Show about teeth:
I don't know if I understood you correctly, but if your "Enamel" problem is about those white spots on the teeth
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Yes I listen to the show and xilitol did get my attention I'll look into it. No white spots it's really the tooth thinning out, the coat on it fading away. I don't know if this information is contained in the same show but I was looking for an alternative to mercuy fillings and it turns out the new fillings contain BPA wich are just as bad! Other alternatives I have found are Porcelaine or Gold or Implants.

And about the iodine reaction: do you have a amalgam filling in the mouth, or something like that? If so, it could have a negative reaction with iodine, that causes the heavy metals in there to be realeased and swallowed by you. If you want to remove that stuff from your mouth, in the show above are also safety measures mentioned, because the removal should be done carefully. If you have stuff like that in your mouth and you can't remove it, then the other solution would be to take the iodine, not in the Lugols solution form, but rather as a tablet form that is called "Iodoral". In this way you avoid the iodine to get into contact with the amalgam.
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That's a good cue. I'll try those instead and see if it makes a difference could possibly be the problem.

Thank you very much for your answers I have nice leads to follow !!! :) :cool2:
 
SummerLite said:
Hi Esprit, I wonder if the roughness you feel on the back of your teeth is due to tartar build up? saliva pools under the tongue in this area which is full of minerals and causes the calculus to constantly be forming on the back of the lower teeth. cleaning will remove it. the only thing I know that causes enamel erosion is acids in the diet, stomach acid and brushing to hard which has been mentioned here. the suppliments sound interesting. I guess your not using a weird mouth guard when playing hockey that could cause it....just a wild guess.
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This was also my first guess that the roughness most likely is tartar.

Are you eating a paleo diet Esprit or a ketogenic diet and if for how long? And how do you define that your enamel is fading away, how does it look to you? The reason I'm aksing, because after switching to a ketogenic diet my teeth developed very easily tartar and got brownish and it took about minimum over a year until it was normal again (after several professional tooth cleaning in between)- And did you visit a dentist too to have a look?


Esprit said:
I also started smoking about a year ago I'm concerned it could be the cause.
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Smoking and also tea (black tea) can make the enamel brownish.
 
Are you eating a paleo diet Esprit or a ketogenic diet and if for how long?
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Keto diet now for at least 6 months. I started with Atkins 20 for about 6-8 months, so if I did Paleo it was'nt for a long time and not really planned. But now like a posted in my first post:
I almost exclusively eat organic pork chops it's just very practicle and available. But I do eat organic chicken and beef also and some sardines and eggs. Some mixed leafy greens, arugula, brocoli, onions, zuchinni, almonds, walnuts, Kale chips, a bit of Rutabaga and very occasionallly I'll derive from the diet but it will not be something drastic like eating at my dad's only the chicken (not organic) tossing out any carbs and not even once a month.
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That's literally everything I eat. My diet is very limited I want to buy an entire peace of meat and put it in the freezer so that I don't have to run to the store constantly it's getting expensive.

And did you visit a dentist too to have a look?
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It's been a while its due.

And how do you define that your enamel is fading away, how does it look to you?
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I'm trying to figure that out as well. Naepolitan tooth I'd say ! At the base of the tooth, at the gums, it's a yellowish white it could actually be tartar that I mistaking for enamel...never seen anything like it in my mouth before. Then followed by brownish spots, maybe from the smoke and then the regular tooth color white.
 
Esprit said:
And how do you define that your enamel is fading away, how does it look to you?
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I'm trying to figure that out as well. Naepolitan tooth I'd say ! At the base of the tooth, at the gums, it's a yellowish white it could actually be tartar that I mistaking for enamel...never seen anything like it in my mouth before. Then followed by brownish spots, maybe from the smoke and then the regular tooth color white.
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It sounds to me like the effect of smoking, plus the diet changes that could easily stain the teeth and build up tartar. It depends a lot of the type you are, and how much saliva you build too that could easily boost such effects and as I wrote earlier in my case, the teeth color changed also more easily than before.
 
Hi! Just to clarify what I said about stomach acid causing enamel erosion, thats with rather extreme cases with people who are anorexic or bulimic, so vomit a lot. Also enamel loss is common with Meth users. Your vitamin supplements wouldn't cause this. Not sure if heavy acid reflux would cause it but you'd be in a lot of pain if that where the case!

It doesn't sound like enamel loss to me but the tartar build up and staining due to diet changes. I know we can jump to the most extreme conclusions when we notice something new going on with our bodies then discover its something simple and non threatening.

I'm trying to figure that out as well. Naepolitan tooth I'd say ! At the base of the tooth, at the gums, it's a yellowish white it could actually be tartar that I mistaking for enamel...never seen anything like it in my mouth before. Then followed by brownish spots, maybe from the smoke and then the regular tooth color white.
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This sounds like the answer. I worked in the dental field for 15 years by the way, as a professional tooth cleaner, hygienist.
 
SummerLite said:
It doesn't sound like enamel loss to me but the tartar build up and staining due to diet changes. I know we can jump to the most extreme conclusions when we notice something new going on with our bodies then discover its something simple and non threatening.
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I agree. And if it's been a while since you've been to the dentist you might consider going in for a cleaning. Also if you're up for it you can try using one of those home dental cleaning kits like this and see if you can scrape some of the tartar off and brownness off. Be careful to not go too deep or poke yourself in the gums. Another experiment you can try is some activated charcoal and a sonic toothbrush. Charcoal is a good whitener.

Try the above, if you will, and see if you notice any difference.
 
Odyssey said:
SummerLite said:
It doesn't sound like enamel loss to me but the tartar build up and staining due to diet changes. I know we can jump to the most extreme conclusions when we notice something new going on with our bodies then discover its something simple and non threatening.
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I agree. And if it's been a while since you've been to the dentist you might consider going in for a cleaning. Also if you're up for it you can try using one of those home dental cleaning kits like this and see if you can scrape some of the tartar off and brownness off. Be careful to not go too deep or poke yourself in the gums. Another experiment you can try is some activated charcoal and a sonic toothbrush. Charcoal is a good whitener.

Try the above, if you will, and see if you notice any difference.
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I'd second that recommendation to go get yourself a cleaning. Just a cleaning. No x-rays, no fluoride treatments, and if you can't see any cavities don't worry about them if they tell you you have them. Dentists tend to be pushy, so be prepared for that. A good cleaning every so often is helpful though, and you can always ask questions while you're there.
 
Esprit said:
If you're taking oral vitamin C, use a straw, and/or add a little more than half the volume's worth of baking soda to make sodium ascorbate.
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Just swallowing rapidly the pills can have an adverse effect ? If I take 3000mg of Vitamin C your suggesting something like 2000mg of baking soda added in water or else ?
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Sorry, forgot to note that I meant powdered Vitamin C. If you're using pills, then no need to add the baking soda to make sodium ascorbate. That ascorbate form just makes it more ph neutral so it doesn't mess up your teeth as much.

Also coming to mind, if you do in fact have the mentioned reflux problem, you could try taking Betaine HCL during meals to see if that helps with the low stomach acid problem. I use Now Foods brand for that.
 
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