question about gestational diabetes

987baz

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my sister is around 30 weeks pregnant and just had that horrible blood test where they made her drink basically pure sugar.
She only failed the 1 hour test, but passed the fasting and 2 hour test. The doctor told her to go to a dietitian and I am a bit worried about what they might say.

She is gluten free, but still consumes dairy and carbs. I have suggested avoiding simple carbs and sticking to complex carbs and getting rid of the dairy.

I did search on Sott and the forum but haven't returned much info, just wondering if anyone has any suggestions?
 
I had gestational diabetes with my fourth child. It's miserable. Best advice I can give is to pretty strictly avoid sugar/sweets and eat veggies, meat and maybe a bit of potato or rice in the evening. Avoid all grains. If she tolerates dairy, shouldn't be a big problem, but she should stick to fatty dairy and not skim or low-fat. I would avoid it myself, but not everyone can. Biggest thing is to really reduce carbs - no pasta etc.
 
many thanks Laura, appreciate your advice!

I will pass on the information to my sister.
 
My cousin's wife had gestational diabetes too and it seemed like it was not that much uncommon, consequences minimized. I take it as a signal from the baby to get more healthy fats. I wonder how this happens per se and why it doesn't imply a high risk of becoming diabetic after?
Can it lead the baby to have some health problems then ?
Because their kid which is 1 year old had to do surgery just recently. Quite a stress for everybody involved.The valve's tube between the bladder and kidneys was not closing properly thus allowing bacteria to migrate to the kidneys. The only option left was surgery. It's pretty recent and she's recovering now. I just wonder if there could be a connection there.
 
Starshine said:
My cousin's wife had gestational diabetes too and it seemed like it was not that much uncommon, consequences minimized. I take it as a signal from the baby to get more healthy fats. I wonder how this happens per se and why it doesn't imply a high risk of becoming diabetic after?
Can it lead the baby to have some health problems then ?
Because their kid which is 1 year old had to do surgery just recently. Quite a stress for everybody involved.The valve's tube between the bladder and kidneys was not closing properly thus allowing bacteria to migrate to the kidneys. The only option left was surgery. It's pretty recent and she's recovering now. I just wonder if there could be a connection there.

According to the "specialist" there can be a case for people who get diabetes after the baby is born, so it needs to be monitored. My initial thought was that because my sister does not consume the "normal" amount of sugar (much less although she still does eat it) and then is subjected to the test where they pump massive amounts of sugar into the body and take blood tests, how should the body react? I dare say if they did the same test on me I would feel bloody awful for a start. I have to admit I don't know a lot of how the body should react, I think I'll need to do some more investigating.

Again the specialist said that babies tend to be larger if gestational diabetes is present during the pregnancy, it can also lead to birthing problems and usually ends in a non natural birth. These things could IMO lead to health complications for the baby.
 
If i remember correctly, there was one study that showed that diabetic insulin resistance was cured by reducing carb intake to roughly 130g and avoiding PUFA. I agree with Laura that she should stick to fatty dairy and consume only saturated/ some monounsaturdated fats. If she can try to avoid polyunsaturated fats as much as possible that should help. So ideally no nuts, veg oils, or even olive oil. Not sure about gestational diabetes, but people have found that this approach can be successful in ordinary insulin resistance.
 
Keyhole said:
If i remember correctly, there was one study that showed that diabetic insulin resistance was cured by reducing carb intake to roughly 130g and avoiding PUFA. I agree with Laura that she should stick to fatty dairy and consume only saturated/ some monounsaturdated fats. If she can try to avoid polyunsaturated fats as much as possible that should help. So ideally no nuts, veg oils, or even olive oil. Not sure about gestational diabetes, but people have found that this approach can be successful in ordinary insulin resistance.

thanks keyhole, I've been trying to get her off the vegetable oil for a while, so this will be good to reinforce it.
 
987baz said:
Keyhole said:
If i remember correctly, there was one study that showed that diabetic insulin resistance was cured by reducing carb intake to roughly 130g and avoiding PUFA. I agree with Laura that she should stick to fatty dairy and consume only saturated/ some monounsaturdated fats. If she can try to avoid polyunsaturated fats as much as possible that should help. So ideally no nuts, veg oils, or even olive oil. Not sure about gestational diabetes, but people have found that this approach can be successful in ordinary insulin resistance.

thanks keyhole, I've been trying to get her off the vegetable oil for a while, so this will be good to reinforce it.

Yeah. Veg oils are DEADLY, DEADLY! Can't say it loud enough!!!!

She should have a carb counter and try to stay at or below the limit. I can tell ya that if you don't have the proper diet with gestational diabetes, the baby can get too large, too fast and there can be serious problems with delivery. I experienced this and my baby was injured as a result. Not a good outcome. Definitely to be avoided.
 
It would be helpful if she understands how important it is to consume animal saturated fat. It will help her fight with the inflammation and it might help her stabilize her blood sugar levels.

I hope she has an uneventful pregnancy :flowers:
 
Gaby said:
It would be helpful if she understands how important it is to consume animal saturated fat. It will help her fight with the inflammation and it might help her stabilize her blood sugar levels.

I hope she has an uneventful pregnancy :flowers:

I hope she does well too and follows the diet advice given here.

Here's more info on the Oral Glucose Tolerance Test just as an FYI. There's some nasty stuff in there!

I’m a midwife and MD who specializes in the health and wellness of pregnant mommas. While I’m one of the original crunchy mamas, I got the science thing down tight in my medical training at Yale, so I can keep you informed on what’s safe, what’s not, and what are the best alternatives.

This article, in which I take on the toxic ingredients in oral glucose test drinks, is the first in a 3-part series on gestational diabetes. If you’re pregnant, planning to be pregnant, or working with pregnant mommas – this series is for you!

Is Gestational Diabetes Really an Issue?

In the past decade obesity has become rampant in our country. With it the rates of diabetes in the general population, and gestational diabetes (GDM) – which is an excessive increase in glucose intolerance in pregnancy (some increase in glucose intolerance is actually normal and allows more sugar to get to the baby for growth) – have risen dramatically. Current estimates are that 5%-7% of pregnant women in the U.S. develop GDM.

Gestational diabetes increases the risk of a host of serious medical problems for mom and baby. However, at levels even lower than those that would qualify a woman for a GDM diagnosis, chronically elevated blood sugar also puts mom and baby at much higher risk of pregnancy and birth complications.

Elevated blood sugar creates a condition in the body called “oxidative stress” and in pregnancy, which is already a state of somewhat increased oxidative stress, this can lead to high blood pressure, preeclampsia, and preterm birth. Also, babies born to overweight or diabetic moms have a much higher lifetime likelihood of developing chronic health problems associated with obesity and diabetes. Women who develop GDM also have at least a 50% change of becoming diabetic later in life.

So yes, gestational diabetes is a big issue we should be aware of! But does that mean we need universal screening of all pregnant women, and are oral glucose drinks (called “Glucola”) our best – or only – option for testing?

About Glucose Testing for Gestational Diabetes

Gestational diabetes is a dangerous condition — actually so is high blood sugar even if below the level that qualifies for GDM (discussed in this blog series). Women who are at moderate to high risk do require some form of testing for GDM so they can be followed and treated appropriately if detected.

Current guidelines recommend what is called a “two step approach” for screening for gestational diabetes. (Whether this testing is necessary will be addressed in the next article in the series). The first step is a glucose challenge test. Women are given a “drink” – called “Glucola,” which contains, among other things as you’re about to learn, 50 grams of a sugar polymer. Your blood sugar level is measured 1 hour after drinking the stuff. Women who screen positive go on to the second step, the glucose tolerance test (GTT), with either a 75-gram two-hour test or a 100-gram three-hour test. Again, the glucose drink is given as the vector for the sugar. It comes in concentrations containing 50, 75, and 100 grams of sugar.

The medical community considers this “drink” harmless though it is well recognized that some women just can’t tolerate it due to digestive system side effects including nausea, vomiting, bloating, and diarrhea, as well as other adverse reactions including headache, dizziness, and fatigue.

But really, it might not be that harmless after all!

The Problem With Glucola

In an age of increasing concern about the toxic exposures our babies are getting even before birth, and the impact of these on their short and long term health, including the impact on their DNA (genes), it is important to note that at least one of the glucose test drinks EasyDex, by Aero Med (note that ingredient lists from the test companies are notoriously hard to find online!) contains something called BVO, or brominated vegetable oil. BVO is also found in at least 10% of all soft drinks in the US, and is included to keep the favoring from floating to the top of the beverage.

According to the Center for Science in the Public Interest, “safety questions have been hanging over BVO since 1970, when the FDA removed BVO from its ‘Generally Recognized as Safe’ list of food ingredients.” At that time, the FDA granted BVO ‘interim status’ as a food additive which allowed its use in soft drinks, but it was and remains banned from European and Japanese soft drinks. BVO is patented in the U.S. and overseas as a flame retardant.

Yet it is in EasyDex, a medical testing “drink” consumed by presumably hundreds of thousands of pregnant woman in the US!!!

Vani Hari (aka The Food Babe), a food activist who is bringing fresh attention to the hazards of the chemical additives in our foods, brought the BVO issue to my attention when we were chatting at a conference. We both agreed that this toxin should not be given to pregnant women! Here is a picture, shared with Vani’s permission, of the ingredients in EasyDex, including BVO. (see link)

Glucola

So What’s Wrong With BVO?

BVO contains bromine, which is known to interfere with thyroid function. Even more frightening, it is found in the brominated flame retardants that are used in upholstered furniture and children’s products, which I wrote about in a previous blog.

Research has found that brominated flame retardants build up in the body and breast milk. BVO leaves residues that accumulate in body fat, the brain, the liver, and other organs. Studies in animals demonstrate that BVO is transferred from mother’s milk to the nursing infant. BVO has been associated with heart lesions, fatty changes in the liver, and impaired growth and behavioral development, and both animal and human studies have linked BVO to neurological problems, fertility problems, changes in thyroid hormones and precocious puberty.

Charles Vorhees, a toxicologist at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center, told Scientific American that “compounds like these that are in widespread use probably should be reexamined periodically with newer technologies to ensure that there aren’t effects that would have been missed by prior methods…I think BVO is the kind of compound that probably warrants some reexamination.”

Well, Charles, I agree and then some!

Ok, if you’ve already given it to your baby, take a deep breath – everything is gonna’ be ok. We all do the best we can with the information we have at the time, and this won’t be the last time you find out you did something you wish you hadn’t with your kid. I’ve had plenty of those “Oh S#!t” moments and my kids survived. Just make sure to avoid more exposures later on in the form of soft drinks and flame retardant PJs.

If you haven’t had it yet – think about saying “NO!” as part of the revolutionary movement to keep toxic chemicals away from our unborn babies.

What About Other Glucose Test Drinks?

Even if the glucose test drink you are offered doesn’t contain something as obviously noxious as BVO, they pretty much all contain artificial flavors and colors, high fructose corn syrup, and the glucose itself is derived from corn – most certainly not GMO-free! Not ingredients I would want to drink during pregnancy (or ever).

What’s a Mom to Do About Glucose Testing? Let’s Start a Revolution!

As women, many of us were taught to “be nice,” or “be seen and not heard.” As patients, this can translate into accepting tests, procedures, and treatments that we feel we don’t want or need, or that, in this case, might not be safe for us or our babies!

You certainly have the right to read the label on the glucose test drink you are offered before agreeing to the test!

You also have the right not to be screened for GDM, as well as to choose your preferred screening method. In fact, in 2001 ACOG clearly stated that gestational diabetes guidelines should not be construed as dictating an exclusive course of treatment or procedure. Variations in practice may be warranted based on the needs of the individual patient, resources, and limitations unique to the institution or type of practice.” And further, and more importantly, ACOG clearly states that a pregnant woman’s autonomy is to be respected, and that judicial authority should not be used to implement treatment regimens aimed at protecting the fetus, for such actions violate the pregnant woman’s autonomy.”

As I discuss in the next article in this series, What You Should Know About Gestational Diabetes and Glucose Tolerance Testing in Pregnancy, the GTT test has a wide margin of error – the test misses many women who have GDM, and diagnoses others who don’t have it at all. Thus women who need extra nutritional counseling might not get it at all, and others with normal healthy pregnancies might get unnecessarily put into high-risk categories. And all women end up getting a potentially toxic drink for the sake of a less than reliable test.

If we all say NO to toxic glucose test drink ingredients, we might be able to put enough pressure on manufacturers to change to remove unnecessary and potentially toxic ingredients (including things like ester of wood rosin!).

It’s really important to know that this is not an emergency decision, and that you do have a choice!

In my next blog I’m going to discuss whether glucose testing is needed in pregnancy. But if you are at risk for GDM, or are just planning to have the testing to make sure everything’s okay with your blood sugar, then consider other reasonable testing options:

If you are in your first or early second trimester, consider a Hemoglobin A1C test. It is a simple blood test that doesn’t require you to ingest anything prior. While there is no set level that determines gestational diabetes (there are levels for non-pregnancy-related diabetes), done early enough in pregnancy it can determine whether you already had undetected diabetes before even becoming pregnant, and a level of 5.45% may be associated with gestational diabetes, in which case you can make dietary changes and wait until 24-28 weeks gestation, when the glucose challenge and GTT are typically done, and then decide whether to test.

Consider an excellent diet and random glucose testing. This just requires finger stick blood testing which can even be done by you at home, and is a commonly used alternative for women who can’t tolerate the Glucola. However, one test result alone is not enough to diagnose or rule out GDM, so you’ll want to work with your doctor or midwife to come up with a reasonable schedule for testing and assessing your results.

Consider “The Jelly Bean Test.” This test, which has you eat 28 jelly beans, which also provide 50 grams of sugar, has been popular amongst midwives for decades, and now there are GMO-free and naturally-colored brands to choose from. While some data suggests that the results are not entirely as reliable as using the oral glucose test drinks, an article published in a major obstetrics journal states that jelly beans are a reliable alternative that are actually preferred by women and have fewer side effects.
 
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Keyhole said:
If i remember correctly, there was one study that showed that diabetic insulin resistance was cured by reducing carb intake to roughly 130g and avoiding PUFA. I agree with Laura that she should stick to fatty dairy and consume only saturated/ some monounsaturdated fats. If she can try to avoid polyunsaturated fats as much as possible that should help. So ideally no nuts, veg oils, or even olive oil. Not sure about gestational diabetes, but people have found that this approach can be successful in ordinary insulin resistance.

thanks keyhole, I've been trying to get her off the vegetable oil for a while, so this will be good to reinforce it.

Oh 987baz, I'm sorry to hear about this. Gawd that glucose test is so awful, and especially if you sister doesn't consume much sugar, no wonder it threw her for a six. What type of veg oils has she been consuming? I agree with what the others have mentioned above. The more I read about veg oils, the more I realize it's such toxic crap, and it is used in all types of processed foods as well as supposed health foods!

It's great that she's off the gluten at least, but if you can get her to restrict carbs and lay off the veg oils, she'll be so much better off. :hug2:
 
thanks everyone for the advice and kind well wished :D

I will convey the importance of lowering the carbs and getting off the Veg oil, I got her on the coconut oil, but she still has olive oil, that will have to go!!

since she is always hungry, can anyone give some advice on what she could snack on, she has been eating gluten free crackers, which I believe are rice based.

Also I have MCT oil that I use daily, I was thinking maybe I could try and get her to put that in her tea along with good amounts of butter, which should help satiate her hunger.
 
987baz said:
thanks everyone for the advice and kind well wished :D

I will convey the importance of lowering the carbs and getting off the Veg oil, I got her on the coconut oil, but she still has olive oil, that will have to go!!

since she is always hungry, can anyone give some advice on what she could snack on, she has been eating gluten free crackers, which I believe are rice based.

Also I have MCT oil that I use daily, I was thinking maybe I could try and get her to put that in her tea along with good amounts of butter, which should help satiate her hunger.

She should munch on crispy bacon or sausages or ham rolled up in a lettuce leaf or make her own chicken/turkey nuggets fried in lard with no coating. Make a bit pot of meatballs in sauce and eat one of those.
 
She should munch on crispy bacon or sausages or ham rolled up in a lettuce leaf or make her own chicken/turkey nuggets fried in lard with no coating. Make a bit pot of meatballs in sauce and eat one of those.

awesome, thanks Laura, all those sound great, I'll have to go up to her place and cook up a storm :)
 
Just an update and a big thanks to everyone for their advice and well wishes :)

My sister had her baby yesterday, the baby is fine 3.9kg and by all accounts is perfectly healthy.

My sister is in a fair bit of pain due to her fibriods and probably the c-section didn't help either, but she should make a full recovery.
 
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