Supernovas, comets, and the Middle East
Joe: Welcome to another sign of the times podcast. I am Joe Quinn.
Henry: I am Henry See.
Scott. I am Scott Ogrin
Laura: And I am the special guest!!
Joe: Yes ah.....
Henry : The name of the special quest ....
Joe: As you just heard this week we have Laura with us yet again and we going to be discussing some of the events over the past week that have made the news. Specifically we just have a few stories recently about supernovas and new comets and we are pondering the questions as to what this means. Are these portents of doom? The end of the world perhaps? We don't know but we are going to investigate that and talk about a little bit and find out what it's all about.
Laura: Here we are, another week gone by. And the world is closer to plunging off the cliff into the fiery abyss than ever.
Joe: And that's not a throw away comment or just you know, a fickle comment, because you know, I mean it may sound like one to a lot of people but the fact is that we watch the news everyday, we're watching world events everyday and we almost don't even believe it, but it's right there in front us. You know...
Laura: Funny thing is, my mother called me tonight. My mother is in Florida. She's 84 going on to 85 years old. And she says to me, she says, “things are really terrible� . She lives in a retirement community. She said, “there is George Bush, stands up there in front of people, he wasn't even elected, he started world war 3, we're all going to be destroyed and he is making jokes about it. He thinks it's funny.� This is my mother, 84 years old. [Joe: Go grandma] Yeah, so I mean if 84 year old grandmas can see it, I think that it's time for other people to be able see it too. And according to her, this is pretty much the subject of conversion in her community. The old ladies and the old gents get together at the little community center where they [Joe: Play chess and..]I don't think they play chess there [Joe: Dominoes?]I think that the play, yeah they play dominoes, and they play shuffle board. Shuffle board is a big thing in Florida. Have you ever seen shuffle board?
Joe: Is it a dance?
Laura: (laughing) Shuffle board is kind of like a....[Joe: Sounds like it's a old peoples dance] Noo laughing..[Joe: Shuffle board]..[Henry: (in the background) it's like a..]
Henry: It's like a bastardized form of curling without the ice.
Laura: Yeah, [Joe: yeah?] yeah
Joe: What are the ...this as a as a.....
Laura: They have this long sticks kind of got a little curved in on them and they have these pucks [Joe: false tee] yeah and then they slide the puck across the pavement and it has to land on a little marked place or square something that has numbers on it and that and I guess that.... I never played it myself. I am not old enough to play it yet.
Henry: And the way the world is going you never will be.
Laura: (laughing) Ain't that the truth (laughing). Yesterday we had some interesting news that ah, apparently they was some sort of a cosmic grey burst that was noted within the last few days and they think that it maybe a precursor to a supernova. The supernova is in the area of the constellation Aries which is right beneath the foot of the constellation Perseus which I found to be quite interesting. They also said that it lasted exactly 33 minutes, this, this lighting up of the atmosphere. 33 minutes! Is that a signal to anybody (laughing) or am I just .. [Joe: It's a signal to the Masons] Yeah. (laughing) Am I going nuts or what? And then at the same time we have an interesting comet that is swinging around. You looked up the name of the discoverer didn't you? What was the name?
Joe: Yeah, he's Polish, [Laura: He's Polish, yeah] Pojmans..,Pojmanski, [Laura:Yeah] Pojmanski's Comet, I think [Laura:Yeah]It's got this other kind of official name of C2006 blah, blah blah..but
Henry: When exactly was it discovered?
Joe: It was discovered on 2nd of January. [Henry:Very recent.] despite poor skies, yeah, yeah.
Laura: Very recent, yeah. And what does this name mean in Polish?
Joe: It means captured. It's actually from Russian.
Laura: Captured. Very interesting.
Joe: The other interesting is in that article that talk about the comet, there was a guy whose name was Andrew Pearce, who happen to be the same guy who in 2004 was the fifth person in that year to see a comet with the naked eye. And the, that was a record because never before have 5 comets been seen with the naked eye in one year.
Joe: So that kinds of suggest that ...
Laura: Harbingers of doom perhaps?
Joe: Well it kind of suggest that there is either more from up there, or well there maybe more from up there but definitely closer.
Laura: Well and there is also the issue of all the new moons discovered around Jupiter [Henry : Saturn] and Saturn [Henry: and Uranus] and Uranus, yeah. All of a sudden now they can see them because they've got this fantastic new telescopes you know, and people been looking at these things, you know, for a couple of hundred years at least or however long telescope has existed. How long? Who, who invented the telescope?
Henry: No he didn't invent it but he was the first one to [Joe: He used one.] become famous for it and infamous for it even.
Laura: Yeah, so so they've been looking at these bodies for a long time and they have been looking, you know for 50 years or more. They have been looking at it with some fairly powerful telescopes and they never saw these and now all sudden they have accumulated a whole new gaggle of moons. And just nobody seems to have an explanation for it except that well, we couldn't see em before, we've got better telescopes now, we can computerized the viewing and we can remove all of the distortion and we can see stuff that we never saw before. Or maybe..
Henry: Which makes me wonder what they can do with their spy satellites.
Joe: Well, if Ark was here he would probably or he may something to say on you know, the whole idea of the observer and observed. I mean is that a coincidence that now that they have the capacity to see them that these things are actually there to be seen?
Joe: I mean where they not there before or where they always there?
Laura: Is the cat dead [Joe:That's the question.]or is he not dead? (laughing) [Joe: Yeah] So, anyway the world is a very interesting place right now. We understand that the Israeli political gang have been making jokes about the sanctions that they are going to impose on the Palestinians. You know, that these very hungry people who don't have jobs, who have to struggle to have enough food to eat; is just going to be like putting them on a diet, you know, and then they laugh about it. Yeah. It's was one of those things that, that really get you going. You start to wonder, is anybody on this planet paying attention? Is anybody I mean, are there any governments, does anybody out there have a soul? Anybody? If you do, raise your hand. I mean if you feel that this is an outrage, if you can see that this is not another repeat of what happened in Europe prior to the coming to power of the Nazis across the face of the land..
Joe: Or maybe we can should our listeners the details about this a ....
Laura: Okay go ahead and give them the details. I am pretty outraged, I don't want to talk about it anymore.
Joe: This is from a story that was originally carried in the Haaretz daily, Israeli daily newspaper and a....
Henry: Which is a lot more truthful about what is going on in Israel than any of the American media. [Joe: Yes]
Laura: Yes, well we talk about the media last week. You people in America, you just don't even know what's going on if you are not reading the Signs page.
Joe: But anyway the story goes that the Hamas team that is an Israeli team setup to deal with this new problem that they have which is Hamas, the terrorist organization which is coincidently pretty much owned by Israeli anyway, maybe we will get into that later, but the Hamas team, the Israeli Hamas team which is headed by Prime Minister, ex prime minister now, Sharon's adviser Dov Weissglass and including the Israeli defence force chief of staff, the director of the Shinbet, that's the Israeli internal intelligence...
Laura: .....details just get to the good part
Joe: Ummm getting there. And senior generals etcetera, officials convene for a discussion with foreign minister Livni on ways to respond to the Hamas election victory. Everyone agreed in the need to impose an economic siege on the Palestinian authority and Weissglass as usual, provide the punch line. He said,� 'It's like an appointment with a dietitian. The Palestinian will get a lot thinner but won't die� , the adviser joked. And reportedly the participants all rolled around with laughter at this, this really really funny joke about people being starved.
Laura: Remember. Here we are talking about people who lived on this land for the last thousands years. According to the best genetic studies, the Palestinians are probably the descendants of Jews who remained in Palestine after the diaspora and who then converted to Islam under the Muslim rulers. And essentially there are the descendants of the original Jews that lived in Israel and they have been there for well over two thousand years. Okay? Now they are there. And then these other people come along who say, “we are the real Jews, you guys aren't Jews because you don't have the right religion and god gave this land to us and we are going to take it� . Well basically you know, Great Britain is the one who gave it to em. They made a deal with them if they could get America to come into the war that's a whole other story.
Henry: The First World War.
Laura: The First World War, that is, yes the Balfour agreement. And so here there are they have their land taken away from them, their houses have been razed, their trees have been cut down, their way of live for a thousand has been completely and totally destroyed by invaders who are occupying their land, who fence them in, who put them into concentration camps, and now they are saying we are going to impose sanctions on you because you had a democratic election and you elected, who you chose, remember there are pushing democracy over there, so now we are going to sanction you and starve the people. Starve the people. Now just imagine if the entire Muslim world, and we are talking about a over billion people, there are over a billion Muslims in the world, think about that. I don't t think there is that many Christian, I don't think there is, I know there is not that many Jews. But just imagine the entire Muslim world decided to impose sanctions on the United States because they didn't like George Bush? And if they decided to punish all the people of the United States because they voted for George Bush. Now did anybody really vote for George Bush? Come on, raise your hand if you voted for George Bush? You didn't vote for George Bush? I didn't think so. Nobody voted for George Bush. But it is not who cast the votes that counts, it's who counts them, that determines the election. Nevertheless, as I was saying, so here these Palestinian are in this terrible situation and they are joking. There are joking! Oh not only are they joking about starving them but they are publishing cartoons about them and their religion. Well, I mean, you know that I don't really care about religion that much. I think all of them stink. I think we ought to get rid of all religion. But the fact is this is what these people believe in. And for the most part, they've been fairly peaceful people. They've minded their business. They stayed on their side of their world, you know, they keep to themselves or they did at least, until they started getting pushed out of their country by occupiers and invaders. Everything was fine up till then. And now they been joked about, cartoons have been published about them and it reminds me an awful lot of what was going on in Europe prior to the Nazi holocaust against the Jews.
Joe: That comment has been made a lot. Comparisons have been made before now by other people as well and, I get the impression that it's quite often it's taken just as a opinion or a comment by someone who is particularly anti Israel and that is just used as a kind of the worst thing that can be said against Israel. A lot of people would maybe tend to dismiss it as just a extremist kind of view but as time is progressing now and as things are developing in Israel and Palestine, it's now longer just a subject of opinion really because there are objective facts on the ground as Bush and Sharon used to enjoy employing creation of facts on the ground to further policies but there are facts on the ground now in Palestine, occupied Palestine which you know, have striking similarities to the way that the Nazis treated the Jews and or other minorities in Germany.
Laura: Oh sure. I have an entire collection of cartoons that were drawn about Jews prior to the beginning of the Holocaust. They were very similar in type to the cartoons that were recently done about the Muslims, about Mohammad. There was a little bit of an exception off course because these cartoons particularly targeted the founder of the Muslim faith. The cartoons about the Jews, was slightly different because they targeted the Jews themselves. They were very explicit and a stereotypical and essentially portrayed the Jews as the cause of all the evils of the world. This was a, quite a horrible thing. The rank and file of Jews were not the cause of anything. They were good and peaceful people. They were attacked maliciously and viciously. There is no excuse for what was done. They were deliberately targeted just like the Palestinian have been targeted today. So, when you think about cartoons as just being freedom of speech, well in a certain sense these cartoons that were drawn about the Jews in that day and time was just freedom of speech. Off course at this point in time, you can no longer publish cartoons about the Jews because it's no longer freedom of speech, it is antisemitism. There are laws against antisemitism because off course the cartoons that were drawn about the Jews led to a holocaust in which millions of them were viciously, ruthlessly, exterminated. Now do we suppose that the cartoons being drawn about Palestinian is going to lead to them being maliciously and viciously exterminated as well? It's not too far a comparison to make.
Henry: Well that's what is effectively going on and has been going on for years only rather than coming in one swift blow, which it may yet, they are being slowly starved to death, their farms been destroyed their olive growth been uprooted
Laura: Oh well that is very similar to what happen in Nazi Germany. They were, they first started taking their businesses away from them or boycotting any business run by Jews, raiding them or taxing them or finding excuses to deprive them of their, you know, hard earned property, and you know, finding ways to sell their houses or anything out from under them because for some reason or other a new law had been passed that made it impossible for Jews to either operate a business or own a home. There were laws passed where Jews couldn't even be married to Germans. And off course you know recently Israel has passed laws that, that strictly limit Jews marrying anybody outside the Jewish faith. So we have, you know many, many immediate parallels.
Joe: But not only that. On the ground in Palestine I mean there is so many restrictions
of movements of Palestinian out of the occupied territories and the occupied territories are very, very small. I mean Gaza is about 40 miles long and by 10 to 15 miles wide and in there... [Laura: Yeah, imagine living in a place that's....]well in there are 1.3 million people.
Laura: 1.3 million people and 40miles by 15miles wide. Now just think about that people. Just think about that. You can't go outside that limit. You can go 40 miles this way, 40 miles that way [Joe: and...]or 15 miles either side.
Joe: For any, for example, there is very few Palestinian who have passes to go and work and and, and......several
Laura: And the same was true in Germany before the Nazi's began, oh you know, began the holocaust against the Jews. The same was true. They, they were very restrictive on where they could go, what they could do and then they started having to wear this arm bands with this, this horrible yellow stars, you know, they were stigmatized. It was an absolutely atrocious way to treat a human being.
Joe: Yeah. For example, I mean, for the few Palestinian that are allowed to go and work in Israel, there is one case where, and this is probably one of many cases where a wife is married to a; 2 Palestinians, a man or woman are married and the man has a permit to go and work in Israel and wife doesn't . So basically he goes and he stays there and because of the way the exits and entries into Israel from Palestine are setup, there are very few of them, and there is usual long lines. They are essentially army check points and they are subjected to all kinds of you know, kind of metal detector test and even x-rays test [Henry: Humiliation] and that's the least of it. Yeah because there is humiliation and and and ....
Laura: Humiliation were absolutely the norm in Germany. Humiliation of Jews. I mean, I remember seeing some videos and photographs of Nazi soldiers or even just Nazi citizens, forcing an elderly Jew off the side walk and driving him to his knees and laughing at him. I was brought to tears. I couldn't bear watching that. That was, that was, that was so horrible. That man was somebody's grandfather or somebody's father. It could have been my grandfather. My father you know, and there they were humiliating him and it's really a good thing I didn't live in that time because I'd probably, well, maybe I did lived in that time, but be that as it may, the fact is that, everything single thing that is been done to the Palestinian today was done to the Jews. [Joe: Ummm] The only thing is that, in this time, for some incomprehensible reason that I can barely grasp, the Jews who above all people should know what it is like to be persecuted, to have every thing taken away from you, are participating in this genocide.
Joe: Well the fact is, the entire world is participating [Laura: Yes] because it's absolutely..[Laura: Nobody is speaking up] it's absolutely shocking that the Palestinian in this tiny piece of land, millions of them are being merciless squeezed on all fronts. Shot, abused and essentially treated like animals and there is lots of quotes from the Israeli politicians that make it clear that the Israeli elite definitely do see them as little more than animals.
Laura: Well they have said so. They have been quoted as saying (garbled) out of their own mouths.
Joe: Recently, because Hamas have been elected to government in Palestine, the Israeli have now cut off all aid and pretty much withholding taxes and this is where the comment about them going on a diet that “they'll get a little thinner� [Laura: Ummm ..get a little thinner] and these are people who are really suffering immensely and their lives...
Henry: And the taxes are not like they are withholding money that is coming from Europe or the United States that are funds to help them, which would be bad enough but this is money that the Palestinians themselves have [Joe: Generated] to paid [Laura: their own tax money] And it's their own tax money and Israel is saying, no, you can't have your own tax money.[Joe: Uh Hmm]
Joe: And, I mean so this is happening and the entire world is looking on and doing nothing, I mean they are silent.
Laura: The entire world was complicit in the Jewish holocaust. You must never forget that. America sat by. All the other countries of the world sat by. England sat by. They all did nothing, while millions of Jews were exterminated. And today they are doing the same thing and at the end of this thing that is going to happen on this planet, who is going to bear the blame?
Joe: Well perhaps for me kind of the most heinous aspects of the whole thing, is that, it's not as is portrayed in the media, it's not the current situation, the dire situation of the Palestinian, it's not really their own fault. They are being blamed for lacking this, Hamas is a terrorists organization and so, a lot of people suggest that it's their own fault you know but if you look a little deeper into it and look at the events around how we've got to where we are today, you can see the setup, the way Palestinian have been setup and are been setup by Israel..
Laura. The Jews have been setup too. Just think of the Reichstag fire. The Nazi's did it. They burnt the Reichstag themselves and then now we see the same thing being done, only there are many many fingerprints of Mossad over most of the so called suicide bombings and off course there is fingerprints are all over the 911 attacks on America. [Joe:Umm] There are no fingerprints of Muslims terrorists there. [Joe: No]
So, history does cycle and repeat itself people. [Joe: Yes] And just think about the fact that at the end of World War 2, over 65 million people were dead and one third of the earth was uninhabitable.
Joe: Just to give some details of the setup that we are talking about. There is documented evidence that Hamas was essentially setup as a counter weight to the PLO some 25 years ago by Israel. So Hamas as an organization was essentially funded and setup by Israel and it has been nurtured up through 20 years and at the same time you have the merciless squeezing of the Palestinian and the suppression and the brutality that's shown to them by Israel which....the question is.., did this..., the gaol maybe was to force Palestinian into this kind of a militant position where they had no other option but to support kind of, some kind of an armed group but I would even doubt that that was the case because of Israels kind of control of Hamas. I would even suggest that a lot of Palestinian don't even actually
Laura: Are you suggesting that Hamas was elected same way as George Bush was?
Joe: Well why not?
Laura : ..(laughing) Oh that's priceless.
Joe: And, and the fact is now, this is, came from, “NIGYYSOB� , Now I got to you, you son of a bitch. They basically [ Laura: Yeah] tell them that they are terrorists, tell the world that there are terrorist and then manipulate the situation so that (garbled)..terrorists..[Laura: ...(garble)..yeah]
Henry: But it doesn't have to be an explicit fixing of the elections because Hamas was the only opposition. So it was more subtle than that. I would suggest that Hamas was....
Laura: Oh...(garbled).. Kerry running against Bush? I mean what kind of choice is that, between a rock and a hard place.
Joe: In any case, now you have the Israel defense minister just recently came out and said that the Palestinian people have made their government part of the axis of evil along with Syria and Iran. So now this is just before, this has come out just before the much kind of, anticipated attack on Iran and maybe Syria at the same time. [Laura: Uh hmm] The Israeli defense minister has lumped Palestinian in with Iran and Syria. So I mean, this idea of wiping out the Palestinian maybe a lot closer than we or anybody thinks it is.
Laura: Yes. Not only that, there is another difference that I would like to point out. At the time of the rise of the Nazis, the Jewish population was relatively small percentage wise compared to the rest of the population of the planet. This was due to a lot of reason not the least of which was assimilation. There were many Jews that were, had essentially stop being Jews. They had, for several generations inter- married with non Jews, and they had given up their religion, they had given up their cultural, their ethnic practices and believes and the, technically, exact, exactly define Jewish population was relatively small. So it was fairly easy to turn on, more or less smaller population of defenseless people. They were defenseless because they were peaceful. I know a lot of people point out that there are nasty evil things in the Bible that, you know, promote “anti-gentileism� but you know, the vast majority of Jews, and I have Jews that are friends and we have Jews that are members of our group. You know, they are like that. They are capable of reading the Bible, reading the Torah and weeding it out and saying oh well, those are things that are obviously refer to those times and those places. They don't refer to us now. But the big difference is, there is over 1 billion Muslims on the face of the planet. That's one sixth of the earths population. So, if this turns into an anti Muslim war, what do you think is going to happen? I don't think they are going to stand in line for the gas chambers.
Henry: To use a good Christian image, “all hell going to break loose� .
Laura: You can say that they gonna open the gates of hell and the fires gonna to leap out and.... it's going to be all over but the crying I am afraid. But then that's what the Christians want. They want Armageddon because if Armageddon comes along, you know, then they can expect Jesus any moment. I have family members that believe this crap, believe it or not. They actually believe, that if Armageddon begins or if its getting ready to begin or just prior to it, they are all going to be airlifted to the great cloud of glory in the sky. And then there they are going to stand up there and then they going to watch everybody else get destroyed and when it is all over and all the blood has dried up, and all the carcasses have rotted, they are all going to come back and it's going to be like Eden and Jesus is going to be their king and rule over them for a thousands of years. They really believe this. Trust me. I have family who believe this.
Joe: How can anyone believe that? How can, I mean what mechanism is it in the human in human society[Laura: Hypnosis] that, because, I mean there is nothing in anybodies lives, in any of these people lives that, and I am pretty certain none of em have an experience of daily phenomenon [Laura: No] that would suggest that there is anything like the possibility of, of, in this world, of Jesus to arrive on a cloud [Laura: Yeah] I mean, so, why would they believe that, I mean is like believing a [Laura: I don't know] a cartoon or a fairy story.....
Henry: Why would they believe that the world was created in... [Laura: 6 days] 6 days?
Laura: Yeah and with intact fossils. (laughing) [Henry, Joe, Scott : laughing]
Scott: Because of the power of god. ( laughter in the background)
Henry: It was a test that god was giving to us. He had seen through this hard place had fallen out...(laughter in background)
Scott: It was, it was it was, Satan that did that?
Laura: Ooh, he was?
Scott: He was testing us to see if...
Laura: Oh he imitated gods works and he put, he put ...
Henry: That's why he could only create fossils. (hearty laughter in background)
Laura: Ahhh good try, yeah, have another. So we are in a fairly serious situation people and we don't know that anything other than raising awareness of people can do any, can make a difference. That is the only thing that can make a difference for people to become aware, because the bottom line, there is the old saying from my war resisting days in the 70's, 60's, I am not going to tell you how old I am here, that what if you gave a war and nobody came? [Joe: Uh hmm] Think about that. If you just don't participate because you are aware.
Joe: (garbled) open the obvious efforts that these people in power have gone to keep off as hidden. There is a serious amount of energy and manpower and effort exerted in in doing this. Now that to me says that there is something very kind of central or instrumental to the entire operations and to all of the events that are happening in the world that is tied into, the population on the planet. I mean if they can just go ahead and do this and, and ignore the people on the planet [Laura: Uh Hmm]then why, they would do it. Because why did they go to so much effort to hide the facts from people because if, if those facts weren't hidden, what would happen? Do they know something [Laura: They know] that we don't know? They know [Laura: They know and they have to hide it] that if it wasn't hidden, it wouldn't go anywhere.
Laura: Even though it isn't hidden very well, they have certainly done a lot of things to make it so that people are less inclined to look for the answers, to look for the information. They spent 50 years dumbing down the American population, drugging them with all kinds of pollutants in their food, in their toothpaste, in their water.
Joe: But that's the efforts that I am talking about that that [Laura: Yeah, tremendous effort]attitude, this extreme efforts, and the small amount that one would say hidden that that all this stuff, gone to the this effort to hide this stuff from people, it's probably better said that they've gone to this effort to make sure that people believe the lie, so that.....
Laura: Because they can do it without the people.
Joe: So, but that suggest like you say is that our only kind of hope is for people to raise their awareness, but maybe that is all that's needed. Maybe there would be a massive change in everything [Laura: If people were aware] if people simply didn't believe the lies.
Laura: Yeah. Because if you don't believe the lies, are you going to let your child, go down and enlist in the military and go and fight this ridiculous war? Off course you are not. And if your child is aware of the lies, do you think he is going to volunteer, do you think he is going to pick up a gun and shoot somebody when he knows for a fact that his government is lying to him? Off course not. That's the whole thing. And that's why, we need all the funding we can get because we have to spread this information as far and as wide as possible because the main stream media, the media that is controlled by the various pathocratic individuals we discussed in last weeks podcast, they are working as hard as they can to conceal this information. Enough people, one at a time, have to become aware. Once a critical mass is reached, believe me, once a critical mass is reached, enormous numbers of people will begin to wake up as if by magic.
Henry: Well, that refers to the social climate, in that so many people maybe thinking, some maybe having questions about Bush, having questions about what's going on in Iraq, or Iran or in Palestine but they are afraid to say anything because they have the impression that they are the only ones that thinks this way [Laura: Yeah]and so if one person says it and somebody else says, “well you know I think the same think, isn't that amazing� [Scott: yep] and then one by one by one, people will start to wake up and realize that there are not alone in having these questions.
Laura: Human beings, the masses of humanity, normal people, that's 94% of the population of this planet, normal people. There is only 6% of them ruling over us. 94% need to co-operate with one another and stop this madness. Stop the madness before it's too late.
Henry: That's it for this week. As usual, you can find more information on these topics at our website sign-of-the-times-podcast.org. You can also discuss what you've heard on this podcast on our new forum. There is a link to the forum from the signs page, and as Laura mentioned, we are in the midst of a funding raising drive in order to raise money so that we can counter the lies that you are getting in the main stream media and overcome the censorship of media and the gatekeepers who are trying to keep you stupid and ignorant. Give today because only the truth will set us free. It's a question of your soul people. That's it for this week, see you again next week.
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