Double Humanity and the Extraterrestrial Intrusion

henry · Mar 31, 2008

The following article is a translation from an article originally published in French on the website Karmapolis:

by Karmaone

In a key passage from the Gospel of Judas, Jesus reveals important information that can only be heard by Judas because he is sufficiently initiated to understand its significance, signifying that Judas has a privileged status with Jesus. Judas is worried about his future, and Jesus teaches him what happens to souls after death. In other terms, it is the question of “salvation”.

Unfortunately, several words of this critical passage are missing because the codex is damaged. Of what “salvation” does Christ speak? Of a salvation that comes from a messiah, of a “judgment” that will save the elected? Not exactly. Jesus teaches Judas that there exist two sorts of humains, there are in reality two lines of human descent: “the great generation without the archon above them” and “the lost generation”. (Evangile de Judas, Flammarion, 2006). The Adamics, those to whom the archangel Gabriel has given an eternal spirit and who consequently belong to “the great generation without the archon”, will regain the realm from which they came. They will once again find their source, which carries their eternal soul. As to the second group, they are missing an eternal soul, possessing only “a temporary spirit for service” received from the archangel Michael, a mysterious notion that intelligence – a more mechanical form of intelligence - was given to this humanity only to use for a certain time.

These strange notions throw another light on the notion of the elected that comes to us in another, without a doubt manipulated, form, from certain fundamentalist Christian dogmas. For example, the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe only a small part of humanity (144,000 souls) will be chosen by the Lord at the End of Time. In reality, this deformed conception is the tree that hides the forest.

Namely, the apocryphtic texts wanted simply to inform us of the existence of a double humanity, of a double heritage, of a double creation and a double influence, and not of a circle of obeying, elite souls chosen by God in recompense for their strict observance of the commandments of a dogma.

Mouravieff's Contribution

This idea of a double humanity has been relayed by other authors, such as Boris Mouravieff, a Russian historian in the beginning of the 20th century, a specialist of esoteric Christianity and the mysticism of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and friend of Ouspensky and Gurdjieff. In his masterwork, the three volume Gnosis, he underlines the existence of a double humanity and of the double heritage: within humanity, some have an eternal soul while others do not. They are nothing but a type of robot, organic entities that mimic the activity of the soul, equipped with a spirit that is connected with a sort of collective spirit while "Adamic" humanity have individual souls.

For Mouravieff, the fundamental characteristic of humanity is its capacity for compassion, empathy, in brief, to put oneself in the place of another, which we resume with the word “humanity”.

“The Holy Scriptures contain more than one reference to the subject of the coexistence on our planet of these two humanities, that now have a similar form but of a different essence.” Says Mouravieff.

The Second Line of Humanity

The second line is made up of “beings of the anthropoidal race”. In other words, the pre-Adamic line dates from before the intervention of the goddess “Sophia” in the creation of humanity. This pre-Adamic line is the work of the Archons. We will better understand this notion when we look in more detail at the genesis of the world as seen by the Gnostics.

Laura Knight-Jadcyck, an American author responsible for the group the Cassiopaeans, and the web site of the same name, has spent a long time analyzing this phenomenon of the double humanity. She has baptised these entities without a soul “organic portals”. Basing herself on the research of Boris Mouravieff, but also with her own research with the Cassiopaean group, she poses the situation in the following terms:

Laura Knight-Jadczyk said:
In the third volume of his work Gnosis, Mouravieff treats of what he calls “pre-Adamic humanity” and “Adamic humanity”. After reading this, I realized that the subject which I was trying to understand from the angle of pyschopathy which is exposed in the series “Adventures with Cassiopaea” corresponded in fact with exactly what Mouravieff was describing. However, he refered to the Bible to explain it and that didn’t fit well. Nevertheless, the fundamental idea remains that these types of pre-Adamics simply do not possess a soul, or even the possibility of developing one. It is certainly shocking, however, this subject has recently been the object of numerous academic discussions based upon what appear to be clinical proofs that demonstrate there there exist human beings whose nature is basically “mechanical” and who do not have at all an “inner self” or a “higher self”. Gurdjieff talks about it, as does Castaneda. So I asked whether or not Mouravieff’s ideas on the two fundamental types of human beings, with everything that implies, were correct.

A Pychopathic Second “Humanity”?

Laura Knight-Jadczyk sees in the pathological mode of functioning of a part of humanity, which appears to precipitate the world in its fall, an indication of the existence of this double “humanity” and the muddle that comes from it.

Laura Knight-Jadczyk said:
Why is it that there is so much strife in the world, why are so many divided over the promotion of war or peace, respect or disrespect, environmental protection or destruction, in short, a purely material self serving outlook or a spiritual serving of others outlook?

Perhaps we are getting close to the answer, for the truth would seem to be that there is not and never has been a homogenous "we" (the human race) on the planet, "we" are not all alike, "we" do not see the world in the same way, "we" are not just a divided race, we are two different races. Organic Portal

Obviously, admitting the existence of these two types of humans presupposes that we admit the existence of two types of consciousness and even, simply, the existence of a human soul, which isn’t a given, given the way in which the scientific world perceives the real and man in general. Science and behavioral psychology consider the human soul to be a sort of machine, a very sophisticated computer made of electronic exchanges between neurons and the circulation of cerebral hormones. Consciousness does not exist outside of its physical support, which is to say the brain, and spiritual research only has a very small place in the materialist universe of scientists.

Laura Knight-Jadczyk has written a long, two-part article on her site on the existence of the two races. The subject is in reality much more dense and complex than this brief description because it concerns all the complexities of the functioning of our psyche.

Men of Power and Psychopathy

Laura Knight puts in the category of the “pre-Adamics” psychopaths, criminal monsters, sociopaths of all types, but also the household petty tyrants that we meet with in daily life, people missing the capacity for empathy and other emotional activities of the same type. In brief, ordinary predators.

This second category covers as well “members of the materialist elite, with neither soul nor conscience, part of whom are found in positions of power”. These are the ones who decisively influence the functioning of our society that is based upon predation, relations of force, the creation of riches through disequilibrium, frenetic consumption, values that are perceived as the norm in neo-liberal society. The situation of humanity is provoked precisely by this domination by the “pre-Adamic anthropoids”.

Mouravieff speaks of their domination in these terms:

Mouravieff said:
… The coexistence of these two types of humans and the competition which results becomes the norm… We can state that over the centuries, and even today, Adamic men, in their condition after the Fall, were and are still generally in an inferior position to that of pre-Adamic men (the psychopaths). http://zone-7.net/humanite_les_2_races/

Regarding the way in which these two races are intermingled, Laura Knight-Jadczyk makes the precision:

Laura Knight-Jadczyk said:
It is extremely important to understand that the two races have been interbreeding for thousands, if not tens of thousands of years. It is impossible to look at the races on the earth today, the red, the white, the black, or the yellow, and argue that one or the other is this “pre-adamic” and soulless race. We cannot speak of groups, nations, tribes, nor peoples who are members of the “soulless” race as a group. The DNA of the two races is completely mixed, and this is the real meaning of the pollution of the bloodline. Only those with the appropriate genetic makeup are actually able to accommodate a soul and therefore pursue esoteric work, which means that no color or ethnic group is either excluded or has an advantage.

Confirmation from the Old Testament

In 1960, the author Brinsley Le Poer Trench, 5th Earl of Clancarty, one of the early researchers into the idea of “ancient astronauts” and UFOs, puts forward the idea in his book “The Sky People” that the Old Testament also contains information that there is a double humanity, or rather, as reported by the journalist Hermes Kempf in “Grands mystères des sciences sacrés” (No 21 "Great Mysteries of the Sacred Sciences"), that there are “not one but two creations of humanity by two different creators”. The information revealed by Le Poer Trench is even stranger yet because it revives the idea of the cyclic history of the earth and of the universe in general. A golden age followed by an age of darkness, a renaissance followed by a new golden age, and so on. In other words, our planet knew in the past a “golden age”, an era populated by creatures (human and animal) that lived with good intelligence and capacities clearly superior to our own.

Hermes Kempf said:
“The first story of creation in Genesis treats of the establishment of the Golden Age. The second, in chapter two, recounts the creation of human beings in the chemical body of an animal, the creation of a second Adam by Yahweh”.

“This creation was the sin of the great archangel who said ‘I resemble God’ and who was punished for his temerity in becoming responsible for the effects of his forbidden experiments until such a time as things could be corrected to the satisfaction of all the entities concerned.”

The author continues:

Hermes Kempf said:
“The creation of animal-man was an illegal act, committed without authorization in a specifically chosen isolated place.”

The interest of this idea is evident: this fault perpetrated by Yahweh is clearly the original sin and weighs on mankind in an indirect way: he is not the author as religious authorities teach us, but rather he suffers the consequences. He owes part of his existence to an error perpetrated by a being with a hyperinflated ego.

Kempf goes on about the role of the creator beings of the two models of humans:

Kempf said:
In the first creation, the original, the Elohim (called the “Sons of God” or “angels”) created by the Word Man in their image, that is to say ‘male and female’. It is a question of a twinned androgyne creation. Later, Yahweh Elohim made man-animal by in this way destroyed the cosmic cycle. ‘He who created this being was made responsible for the difficulties that followed’ said Brinsley Le Poer, who continued in these words: ‘This is what is meant by the “Satanic” aspect of Yahweh’. According to Le Poer, ‘Yahweh designates a people who came from elsewhere in space and who deliberately created, thanks to the science of genetics, a race of human beings particularly adapted to accomplish certain well-defined and foreseen functions’. Not only did Yahweh and his Archons adapt the human forms to their own ideas, as well as creating the plants and animals… the result is that there exists within humanity two races with different origins: that issued from the original creation as thought by the supreme God, emanating from the beings of light or Elohim, turned towards spirituality, the other coming from the second creation, an artificial fabrication by Yahweh, dominated by the appeal of matter. These two tendencies are the source of many of human, individual, social, and religious conflicts. Among the majority of individuals it is unfortunately the Yahweh factor that predominates, meaning that humanity is carried naturally by his drive and instincts for survial. The Archons and their chief are without souls, emotions, the “Self”, in other words, the divine spark. They no longer have a link with the “Source”. And for a long time, through meanness, the necessity to survive, and jealousy, they have subjugated that humanity that does have this soul, this connection that they have lost.

There is an ancient conflict between these two primordial human races and between their two creators, the Elohim, the “Sons of God”, and the “Sons of Darkness” or the Archons. This antagonism will worsen in the future until one of the camps is victorious. The camp of the “Sons of Darkness” and the human race that blindly serves them is coming ever so slowly to the end of the cycle, to the collapse of their world, our world. This event is known as the ‘Apocalypse’.

We find in the work of Anton Parks the same idea of a usurper “God”, versed in genetic engineering, who created the first model of slave humans by stealing the patrimony of the “planning” Gods. (Read the interview with Anton Parks.

Towards a final settling of accounts

And so, here we are, in the middle of this event predicted by all the religions of the book, that of the apocalypse, of the “revelation” revealed to Man of his profound double nature, of his double origin. It is thus not a question of the blind fury of a God dispensing punishment or compensation, but rather the final settlement of an antediluvian “genetic” problem, the confrontation between the two races of humanity. Given that the two races have become mixed over the millennia, it is more reasonable to consider it as an internal conflict of man with himself, a struggle between his “human” part and his “mechanical” part, with that part that cultivates the emotions, empathy, and another that feels nothing and dreams of nothing but its immediate survival. We will all be forced to make a decision and favour or not conscientiously that part of us that carries the soul. This interior conflict is well described by the concept put forward by Laura Knight-Jadczyk on the Cassiopaean site: the famous organic portals who are characterized by psychopathic behaviour.

We are all organic portals!

Badly used, poorly understood, this upsetting information about a double humanity is dangerous and serves for nothing. If this information is used by radical, sectarian groups, it will only add chaos to chaos, add ostracism and discrimination to a world already founded in part on segregation. The information given by Mouravieff or the Cassiopaeans are only, as I see it, a working hypothesis and do not constitute in any way an absolute certainty that could serve for racists and hateful aims. Laura Knight-Jadczyk wrote to me in an email the following response:

Laura Knight Jadczyk said:
“It is very important to emphasize that organic portals must not be perceived as evil or diabolical. According to the Tradition, they possess a group spirit that develops in a way that is opposite to individual souls, in the same way that animals share the same resevoir of energy associated with their type of animal: the energy of the species ‘bear’, or rat, or horsse, or dog and so on. This is also true for the members of the Adamic group until such a time as they make a conscious choice to work on themselves to form their authentic and ‘real’ ‘I’, the rebirth or renaissance of which Gurdjieff and the esoteric teachings of the Eastern Orthodox Church spoke. The difference between organic portals and Adamics is one of potential. An individual soul is the final result of work on the “Self”, the final fusion of a large number of small ‘I’s that make up the personality. As long as this work is not done, we are all effectively organic portals. Because of this, it would be useless to use this knowledge to ostracize people, to put them down. The important thing is to understand behaviours, not to denigrate individuals.”

Moreover, it seems to us impossible to conclude anything about beings without a soul because we don’t even know exactly what is a soul.

Gnostic texts teach us that the irruption of the Archons and therefore the generations born under the Archons (pre-Adamic man) is the fruit of an error and not of a fault, of some sort of sin. The emergence of this error has a function, and it fulfills a role that we cannot fully appreciate given the current state of our knowledge.

The opinion of Daniel Meurois and John Lash on double humanity

We asked Daniel Meurois what he thought of this strange idea of a double humanity presented in the Gospel of Judas and other texts. He replied:

Daniel Meurois-Givaudan said:
“According to my own understanding of things, all that lives has a soul. However, the word ‘soul’ is bit fuzzy….It is the global and practical term that serves to evoke the notion of consciousness. In any case, you will easily understand that this notion refers to a multitude of extremely diverse realities. From that we get the more precise concept of ‘levels of consciousness’. In fact, there are in the universe a multitude of forms of life, each of which manifests and experiments with a specific level of consciousness, that is to say, a particular sphere of the perception of life.

“The specificity of a planet like Earth is that it is not a home for homogenous levels of consciousness. It is like a point of convergence, a cosmic encounter zone allowing different levels of sensibility - or consciousness – to express themselves in order to evolve. Since what we call the dawn of time, Earth has been a privileged meeting place for beings whose souls have extremely wide origins. There are those that are extremely primal, only acting for ends that are sometimes bestial, often egocentric, and others, more rarely altruistic having the light of Knowledge as their aim. According to the stage of consciousness attained by a soul, the understanding of great principles such as Good and Evil, can diverge radically. What is perceived as Good by one form of consciousness can be seen as Evil at another level. Before attaining a real understanding of Wisdom, a soul always has the tendency to take for good what is, in fact, his own good because that corresponds to his appetites and to the equilibrium of his own interior microcosme. Personally, I believe that the fact of speaking about a “two-speed” humanity – with and without a soul – expresses a concept that can be dangerous in the sense that it anchors us even more in duality. It designates absolute enemies, it doesn’t unify. If we pretend to follow the path of Wisdom, one must try and see see further ahead and accept the fact that all forms of manipulation, domination, as well as control – and even monstrous things – are steps on the path of evolution.”

John Lash, even if he thinks the work of Mouravieff in Gnosis is brilliant, insists on the fact that Gnostic illumination is a path open to all, and that there is no humanity without a soul. As he progresses, a man can lose his soul, that is to say, his connection with the source:

John Lash said:
“The theory of Mouravieff is a brilliant transposition of certain Gnostic ideas that describe with great force the folly and absence of a soul that man can demonstrate. But I don’t find any textual proof of a soulless pre-Adamic humanity in the Gnostic writings. The dual separation or even the strong dichotomy that he proposes is contrary to the basic teachings of Gnosticism on the “Noos”: We are carry the “Noos”, at least in its potential form. Obviously, if you don’t use it, you will lose the connection with the source that is the “Noos”. As we say in English, “Use it or lose it!”. Certainly, there is always something to lose, but zombies without a soul have nothing to lose. Mankind’s tragedy resides in the fact that we have something precious to lose. I think that the scenario offered by Mouravieff is useful in terms of an analysis of the “symptoms”, to have a way of describing the typical behaviour of the Archons, but it doesn’t reflect the real promise of Gnostic illumination, that is, a way open to all.”

For Ouspensky and his mentor Gurdjieff, the functioning of “normal” man is connected to a mechanical functioning, even when we speak of certain so-called higher "functions" like the emotions. Things happen to man, he only suffers and submits to events, like a blind mechanism. For Ouspensky, as well as for his mentor Gurdjieff, “normal” and authentic man is asleep. The only thing man must do is to wake up, to move beyond his mechanical condition to become “human” in the full sense of the term.

Two Survival Strategies

It seems that the writings and information that come from the whole of the Gnostic texts and other apocryptic gospels indicates that long ago in our past, in our “creation”, there was a significant event of immense proportions, and it had nothing to do with the “original sin” committed by Eve, this woman so decried by the fathers of the church.

The Gnostic writings and the orthodox tradition transmitted by Mouravieff puts into relief in a certain way the possibility that the genetic baggage of humanity, our heredity, is the scene of a battle and a double influence. Certains beings are “human”, others are less or not at all. There are two strategies for survival, two models. The anthropologist Carlos Castaneda, basing himself on the teachings of the shaman don Juan, speaks of a radical influence on human behaviour that transforms man into a predator. In this model, man is equally a prisoner, but of a parasitic and non-organic, predatorial entity that Castaneda designates with the term “flyers”.

END OF PART 1

henry · Mar 31, 2008

Reality according to Castaneda

Before discussing these predators, it is important to try to evoke in a few words the conception of reality taught by Castaneda, don Juan, and the line of “Naqual” shamans in the Toltec tradition. His description of the universe or of the infinity of universes and the beings that inhabit them is very coherent, extremely complex, and totally mindboggling. Even if some of the elements seem abstract or incomprehensible to us, for the Naguals it was a question of describing a world and things that were as concrete for them as a tree, a house, an animal, a human being or a landscape are for us. They were real things. For don Juan, we do not see reality as it is, objectively. We only see what we think, limited by the bubble of our ego, via reflections of our conceptions, our prejudices and our emotional activity that we confound too often with our “self” or with our sentiments. To “See” reality is a completely different act that requires energy and methods. This fashion of “seeing” is very close to methods from the Far East and Buddhism. To “See”, one must develop what Castaneda calls the “second awareness” and must be able to stop our train the thought, the incessant noise of our internal dialogue.

The Assembly Point

Castanea affirms that the shaman saw man as a luminous egg. At least, he can be seen in this form if we are capable of “seeing” as the Naguals see, which is a question of energy and perception. We all perceive the same reality because we all have what Castaneda calls an “assembly point” aligned in the same way, in the same zone on the periphery of the luminous cocoon that englobes our body. This assembly point is a bit like the reading head of an electronic device that “reads” the same frequencies (the emanating waves according to the words of Castaneda), even if this image is inexact and rough.

A shaman will try to understand and to read the “intention”, in order to know “the force that modifies and reorders things or keeps them as they are”. (The Power of Silence) In the same way he will try and move his assembly point to see other realities. In brief, the Nagual is a being who tries to understand the reality hidden behind appearances, that is to say, the energies and the profoundly mysterious forces that animate the beings and the objects we see in reality, as well as invisible entities in order to, among other things, conserve his integrity and escape from the trap offered by life.

But what is this trap? The Matrix as David Icke paints it? A sort of infinite mass of energy that goes out like an eagle and that consumes the energies from souls before their death? Yes, in part. But not only that.

The Flyers

Shortly before he disappeared, in his last book, Castaneda reveals things held in confidence, as if he finally allowed himself, like don Juan, to reveal the most perplexing notion of his knowledge, the “heart of the subject”, the knowledge of a psychic parasite, of a non-organic nature, who treats humans as if they were cattle: the “flyers”. These beings have an objective existence for the shamans of the Toltec tradition, and we can see them in certain states of consciousness that the shamans learn through tenacity and discipline.

Castaneda said:
“The sorcerers of ancient Mexico… did discover something transcendental… They discovered that we have a companion for life. We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so.”

What are they? These “heavy black shadows” as Castaneda calls them are parasitic entities from another dimension that consume certain of our human emotions the way we eat food. They treat as a delicacy that which the Mexican shamans perceive in us as “a glowing coat of awareness… Therefore he became easy prey for of a different order,such as the heavy awareness of the predator… This narrow fringe of awareness is the epicenter of self-reflection, where man is irremediably caught,” affirms don Juan to a stupefied Castaneda. These “flyers” cultivate in man the emotions they feast upon, the way in which our mental activity works, centered on itself.

Castaneda said:
“They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance,” also affirms don Juan to Castaneda.

“Just as we rear chickens in chicken coups, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore their food is always available to them.”

As they feast on our fears, our aggression, they cultivate them and provoke them by giving us their way of functioning. Here is what don Juan says:

Castaneda said:
“Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our idea of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success and failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal.... In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver -- stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators gave us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now." (Castaneda, The Active Side of Infiinity, p. 220)

Archons and Flyers: common points

These non-organic predators, these invisible creatures, certainly make one think of the Archons. John Lash has thus made up a list of 13 points in common between the description of the world according to the Gnostics and the system developed by Carlos Castaneda and his mentor. The American scientist Gerry Zeitlin, a former member of the SETI project (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence), has written an article establishing the similarities between the Archons and the extraterrestrials of contemporary accounts, titled "Gnosticism, Archons/Greys, The Controller Agenda" (http://openseti.org/GnosticA.html). It would take too long to make an inventory of these points in the present article, but the common points raised by Lash between the two systems of knowledge are striking in their similarity. These predators from another dimension make one think of certain predatorial characteristics described in the accounts of alien abductions, notably when the victims were confronted with lizard beings.

It is not a question here of affirming that the flyers, the Greys or the Reptilians are one and the same thing, far from that, but the Greys or the Reptilians from accounts of alien abductions, as well as the “flyers”, reveal what could be “extraterrestrial interference”.

The old religions spoke of demons, succubae, incubi, trances, and possession. Today we talk about abductions, traumatism and, multiple personality syndrome in the most extreme and obvious cases. But to come back to the “flyers”, according to the ideas developed by Castaneda and the Toltec tradition, these entities hinder the psychic life of each of us. We are all concerned. Our manic, routinary, and sometimes predatorial and aggressive side is a poisoned “gift” from them to ensure our protection and their food.

Beyond Good and Evil

Certainly, predation or parasitic activity are phenomena that we see everywhere in the world, but it is important to see it in a way that is less stressful. Everything is always a question of point of view, that is, the way in which we perceive things. That is the way Daniel Meurois-Givaudan sees it. For Daniel, as for other authors, Evil is not an all-powerful and autonomous entity.

The existence of Evil and its origins are the fruit of another primordial concept in the principle of creation: that of free will. According to Daniel Meurois-Givaudan, even error has a right to exist in the universe. It is an integral part of the process of the creation and refining of a soul. Everything has the freedom to be.

Meurois said:
“I tell you, you are the energy and the motor of this wind by which Satan takes form… until you work on yourselves. Born from the principle of freedom, the Adversary has now become the fruit of your deficiency in Love, constantly maintained by the sap of your smallness. It is like a giant reservoir of poison that you refill with each of your base acts and in which you plunge your cup each time that, through your pride, you anger, as well as you fears in mind and in act, you separate yourself from the All. Thus, I affirm, Satan is a bit of you as long as you resist the feeling of total union with my Father in infinity... your Father', writes Daniel Meurois-Givaudan dans "Les Enseignements premiers du Christ" (The First Teachings of Christ, Editions Le Perséa, Montreal, 2006).

Daniel Meurois does not rely upon the principle of guilt to evoke evil and our deficiencies, but rather affirms that the "Devil" is nothing more than the "reflection of your disorders and the fruit of your experiments with liberty." (Daniel Meurois-Givaudan, "Comment Dieu devient Dieu, a collective biography", How God Becomes God, a collective biography, Editions Le Perséa, Montreal, 2005).

This principle of liberty consequently concerns all forms of consciousness, all forms of life, even the most unimaginable, with whom we can come into contact... and will only be the reflection of that which we can be and the strategies we adopt for life and survival.

All strategies of existence and adaptation have the right to summon, be it parasitism and predation, or, on the contrary, commensalism (where two organisms mutually aid each other), symbiosis, or mutualism. Empathy and altruism, what Laura Knight-Jadczyk calls "service to others", are strategies of existence in which an entity can choose to sacrifice itself for the benefit of others because he or she is able to identify with the suffering or the joy of another. In a world of predation, or "service to self", the entity prefers force, trickery, and consumption of that which it takes as resources for its sole and unique interest, ready to sacrifice others and suck their energy. It is another strategy of subsistence that sees the short term and which is, objectively, less profitable in the long term because it can lead to self-destruction, as we see by the way things are unfolding on our planet which is principally guided by service to self. Therefore, these predators, or that which we call Evil, can be, as Daniel Meurois states, our best teachers, the challenge from which we learn the most.

Along the same lines, don Juan resumes in the following phrase what the experience of consciousness and the struggle against the predator represents for man: "We are energetic probes created by the universe, and it's because we are possessors of energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe allows us to continue." (Castaneda, The Active Side of Infinity, p 229.) One way to beat them is to give less and less importance to our ego, that which Castaneda calls self-reflection, that is to say, to our ordinary mental dialogue, which grows to the degree we give it importance. Little by little, the predator loses interest in us. This way of giving the least importance possible to the ego is similar to the Buddhist system of thought. It is a way of restoring our connection with the creative source of consciousness.

The Gnosticism of Daniel Meurois-Givaudan

Daniel Meurois-Givaudan is an atypical author, or rather he is not at all dogmatic to the degree in which he has used his personal experience to build his cosmology and his perception of the Real, drawing from many mystical traditions without relying upon them in a rigid way. To help us better understand how his perception of the world is ordered, Daniel Merois borrowed certain concepts from the Gnostic tradition, such as the "Noos" or that of "error" rather than "original sin". The "Noos" can be defined as the divine spark that is reflected in each of us, this light that pushes us and guides us inevitably towards transcendence.

In the "Gospel of Marie Magdeleine", Daniel Meurois affirms that the "Noos corresponds to the higher mental, or even the supra-mental. It has nothing to do with the pure intellect which dissects and therefore kills its object". (Daniel Meurois-Givaudan, "L'evangile de Marie-Madeleine", Editions Le Perséa, Montreal, 2005) It is the same for the famous "knowledge" of the Gnostics, "Sophia", at the same time Goddess and source of humanity, container and contents. This knowledge that ties us to the source has nothing in common with a dead, bookish, encyclopedic knowledge, or with what we know as general culture. No, it is rather a knowledge of the real, of our emotional functioning, and of our capacity to observe ourselves and see beyond appearances.

Meurois said:
"Such a portrait is called 'Noos'... The Noos restores the being to itself, it extends it and invents infinity to the degree it deploys his wings. Knowledge is to let the thirsty heart rise within us when we are on the edge of a precipice, at the end of all arguments." (Daniel Meurois-Givaudan, "Comment Dieu devient Dieu, a collective biography", How God Becomes God, a collective biography, Editions Le Perséa, Montreal, 2005)

The Noos is therefore a supplement to our soul, this "plus" that differentiates us from a purely robotic functioning. It is, finally, the core of our soul. Instead of speaking about original sin, faults, and guilt, Daniel Meurois-Givaudan emphasizes the notion of error, or rather trial and error, that permits us to correct our destiny and our perception of the real. The Coptics used the term "Sorem", that John Lash defines as:

Lash said:
"The tendency of human beings to deviate from his own course of experience, thanks in part to the exceptional freedom and an aptitude to commit errors, and in part provoked by the subliminal intervention of the Archons."

The Creation of the World and Mankind According to the Gnostics

In his books Daniel Meurois also evokes a concept that is close to the Gnostics: the mind of the planet. The creation of the world and the earth, as recounted by the Gnostics in "Hypostase des Archons", for example, is very strange and has nothing to do with that in Genesis and the Old Testament, in which an anthropomorphic being created the earth, its biosphere, the animals and humanity in seven days.

In the Gnostic myth of Sophia, it is a question of an error in creation and of the path of Sophia, who fell in the pleroma, the heart of our galaxy, and who, by her fall, provoked the appearance of earth. The Goddess Sophia, through the power of her dream, metaphorphised and become incorporated into a star, the earth.

The primary substance of her body, says John Lash, is the "organic light" or "sophiatic". In more pictorial terms, Sophia fell in love with her dream of creation, and, as if hypnotized, became incarnated into the earth, which became a conscious planet. During this colossal event of creation, from the unleashing of such immense energy provoked by the fall of the Goddess accidentally emerged the Demiurge, the Grand Archon, an inorganic entity without any organic light, who took himself for God and created many assistants: the Archons. Our planetary system thus developed and became the Realm of the Archons, in opposition to the earth, the seat of Sophia or Gaia. These Archons, to defy Sophia, wanted to create life. A first, monstrous man came from this attempt. Sophia, having seen the sorry state of this creature, gave him the gift of a divine spark, the Noos, an eternal soul, which the Archons do not possess. As a consequence, say the Gnostics, the Archons then tried to subjugate humanity, which posses this eternal soul, this connection with the source. It is a bizarre odyssey. One more time, we see appear in an ancient myth this confrontation between beings with a soul, the connection with the source, and those without, with no link to this source.

The Galactic Super Consciences

In the conception of the world developed by Daniel Meurois-Givaudan, the earth, the sun, the planets are all inhabited par an intelligence, a consciousness, a higher soul. But be careful, it does not consist of a superior soul as our traditional religions would have us believe, but a soul with infinite experience that has joined with others "in a cosmic marriage".

Meurois said:
"They have the possibility of fusing their minds in order to permit the emergence of that which will become the interior sun of a planet during a future creation. Yes, each planet possesses its central sun. It is its sacred fire, its beating heart, its cohesive force. It is as vital as the nucleus within a cell. What you must understand above all is that it is the guardian of its memories, that is, the incalculable sum of the experiences lived by the life forms that Ascended Masters, from whom it was born, carried with them from the last Wave of Creation from which they came."

In fact, to paraphrase what Daniel Meurois-Givaudan affirms as the functioning of the solar system, we can say that "super consciousnesses" inhabit each of the stars that compose a solar system. The heart of the galaxy is "inhabited" by a different, more highly evolved sort of super consciousness, the local "God" that is the sum of all the memories and all the experiences of consciousness and of life that are found in that galaxy.

Meurois said:
"The major sun of a galaxy, its God, is born out of the fusion of all suns, that is to say all Christs, who were in charge the planetary systems of the previous creation.

"Thus, paradoxically, the Father is the inevitable result of Love, of Knowledge, and of the Vision of a large number of Sons, who are, themselves, the most refined and developed children of a multitude of humanities and forms constantly in evolution." (Daniel Meurois-Givaudan, "Comment Dieu devient Dieu, a collective biography", How God Becomes God, a collective biography, Editions Le Perséa, Montreal, 2005)

This corresponds to only one level because we know that the universe is infinite and the universes are without a doubt multiple. The "Divine" experiments in an infinite way and infinitely refines itself by its experiences with life in ways that are at times inexpressible and incomprehensible for us. The Gnostics, for their part, also had a "spatial" vision of the world because it spoke of stars, suns, heavenly bodies, a universe people with Archons, Eons (Sophia), and filled with galactic conflicts. For them, the seat of the Eons, of the "Divine", is the heart of the galaxy while the arms of the galaxy are still the seat of the Archons, the non-organic entities.

Absolute Duality verses Two-Sourced Duality

The Judeo-Christian religions affirm that good and evil are two absolutely antagonistic and autonomous entities that come from the same source. In this context, Evil is an all-powerful entity that God created in a fit of divine anger, which makes God a strange god imbued with tendencies in violent opposition to each other.

For the Gnostics, good and evil do not come from the same source. Evil comes out of human experience, provoked by the superimposition of two perceptual systems. This second system of perception, which turns its back on the first, is that generated by the Archons, through error. Thus it is up to us to see behind the 3D hologram of the matrix, to see true reality, in the manner of Neo, the hero of the Matrix trilogy. who had to disconnect himself from the virtual reality in order to understand the nature of the Real. The interview with John Lash is explicit about this.

Daniel Meurois also talks about holograms, a reality from two sources, but he expresses with his concepts another order of things.:

Meurois said:
"...the consciousness of life, the relief of such, is born from the play of interference produced by the marriage of two beams of light. The first comes in a straight line from the Generating Force - God - while the second is reflected by the creation targeted by the first. Analogous to a hologram, God is in a certain way constituted by an infinity of images or presences that are all in his image. No one exists without the others; one calls another and includes it entirely in its movement."

In other words, "God", or the "Source", experiences infinite number of soul states through our intervention in the infinite holographic play of reflections. Our existence or our destiny comes back and lives in us as a reflection of this "Divine" ray through the ceaseless refining of the evolutive experiences.

As for Nigel Kerner, the British author who wrote an entire book about the hold of the Short Greys upon humanity, he underlines the following in the manner of Gnostic thought:

Kerner said:
'We are trapped in physical existence because we have certain 'restrictions', certain traits, certain 'characteristics' that reflect a lack of comprehension of the true nature of reality in ourselves. These 'characteristics' are hate, envy, avidity, aggression, etc... These characteristics are mental forces of impulses that separate into parts, that divide up in the same way the universe separates and divides up. These characteristics are equivalent sentiments to the impulsions that divide up everything, to the entropic physical forces of separation in the heart of the universe. Thus, they bring cracks, 'dirty imprints' to the individual lenses that we are, through which the the light of God expresses itself in order to shine within us. These faults deform and denature this light that defines each our of starting individualities. Extraterrestrial interception adds other 'scratches', other dirty stains that reveal themselves to be extra to our own restrictions or 'sins'. Consequently, this extraterrestrial interception is an abuse, a supplemental imposition that is inflicted upon us," states Nigel Kerner.

"The goal of the Greys is to allow their 'masters', the clones, to find again an eternal soul, a link with their First Being."

And the message of Christ, again according to Kerner, was to warn us against this extraterrestrial intrusion that the church then described in a deformed manner under the traits of Satan, the demon personifying Evil.

Lash adds a nuance:

Lash said:
"The Archons influence the way in which we perceive the world. They don't influence the world itself. The first Power of the world in which we live is the Divinity that resides in our planet, the intelligence Gaia, called Sophia by the Gnostics. If you align yourself with the intelligence Gaia, you no longer see the world as a place invested by fear and predation but as a world of beauty, goodness, and magic."

Humanity can not be surpassed by the Archons, concludes Lash, but we can abdicate, namely, they can wear us out through a sort of psychic war.

The nature of predators

Finally, what is the nature of these predators, of these Archons of the Gnostic tradition? By learning about their nature, we can understand if we should present them as a threat. Are they organic entities, extraterrestrials from our dimension? Or are they extradimensional beings, etheric entities? Are they non-organic parasites as Castaneda describes?

Let's look first at John Lash's thesis: The Archons are non-organic entities, sort of robotic organisms incapable of creating by themselves. The imitate and masquerade life in the way of robots. They have the capacity to evolve from our dimension to another that is "invisible". This is consistent with the abduction accounts by the victims who evoke at times episodes of materialization/dematerialization of these beings (Greys or reptilians). But John Lash insists on the fact that the Archons are imitators and that they would be incapable of having a physical and direct hold on our world. For example, they cannot manipulate our genetic heritage and are in no way our creators, although they wish to make us believe it is so.

Castaneda, following Jacques Vallee, sees in this extraterrestrial intervention phenomena of a spiritual order, and, thus, as inorganic creatures that manifest essentially in our psyche.

"It is a new form of consciousness that is emerging and that manages to manipulate our perception of reality," states Valle in "Confrontations".

The theses developed by Anton Parks and to a different extent by Nigel Kerner show that they are organic beings who influence our reality physically. For Kerner, the Archons are the Greys from abduction accounts. They are missing a "soul", a connection with what they call the "first being", the creative source, and therefore they are missing the ability to reincarnate. Only technology permits them to prolong their existence in an indeterminate manner, but their genetic heritage is subject to entropy, that is to say, mutations and a dramatic destructuring. These entities want to reconnect with the source and that is the reason why they inserted a peice of their genetics into ours at the moment of the Biblic episode of Genesis.

Anton Parks, through his visions and his analysis of ancient Sumerian texts, sees in the current extraterrestrial intrusion the consequences of former intrusions that played a fundamental role in the origin and history of humanity. We are the result of a fight, of a struggle of titanic influences between several extraterrestrial "races" that are in the majority reptilian. The Gnostic Archons from the Nag Hammadi gospels symbolize for Parks the perverse game played by the Anunnaki line of Enil, An, and Ansar, responsible for the very centralized and dictatorial patriarchal order. These reptilian entities with a masculine polarity created and raised us as cattle for the benefit of the colonial enterprise.

In the face of this "dynasty", the "God" Enki, allied with the reptilians of a feminine polarity, the "Amasutum", as well as the "Kadistu" planners filled a positive role as teachers of humanity. They are the Elohims of the Bible, the luciferian "bringers of light", the serpent of knowledge, the "Prometheuses" that the Bible account of Yahweh/An/Enlil transformed into satanic beings. As a consequence, through the bias of the Bestiary of the Sumerian myths immortalized in cuneiform figures on thousands of clay tablets, Anton Parks demonstrates that the extraterrestrial influence on humanity is not uniquely negative.

The Eve of a Mutation

The message of the Judeo-Christian religions as revised by the New Age agrees in part with the assertions that we are a turning point that will lead us towards an immense shake up that certain situate in the future, with the date 2012 regularly cited. Several "interpretations" exist about this date and the nature of the shake up. There is the "apocalyptic" and messianic version that speaks of the "End of Time", with punishments and retributions, the elected and the damned. Evangelical groups are also riding the 2012 wave in order to persuade us of the truth of their visions. There exists another, less "dramatic", vision according to which we are effectively at a turning point, the end of a time, of an era, as Daniel Meurois says, but it is useless to fix a date. It is rather a question of a sort of large cosmic pendulum, of a mechanism of evolution in which, in the course of the cycles of transformations, event accelerate and intensify to give an ever more violent and chaotic course to history.

On the other hand, if we "believe" in the emergence of an "apocalypse". the scenario that we have imagined will finish by coming about. Everything is therefore a question of personal perception. It is the same thing for that which Meurois calls the "adversary". It will take the face that we wish to give it.

Complete or partial hold, internal demon, external parasite, reality, illusion, matrix, virtual simulation, each of these concepts and the authors who who evoke them give us information about the nature of humanity's shackles that are at times contradictory, at times complementary,.

All this material, this wisdom developed by one and another, certainly indicates something, but it remains a dead letter for us as long as we have not developed our own personal experiences of perception in order to measure the pertinence of these assertions about the nature of the spiritual world. The extraterrestrial intrusion, the infinitely strange character that can introduce this meeting in our psyche will shake us up, that is certain, and it can be the augur of the prelude to an immense change in our way of perceiving the real. Maybe that is the apocalypse, the "Revelation": a revolution in the psyche, and therefore cerebral, functioning.

A Feeling of the Marvelous

Finally, we reason only in terms of the importance of our existence or the insignificance of our ego in the face of the world, which generates our worries and our fears. It is stronger than we are to "think" of the world in this way. Certainly, in the face of infinity and the strangeness represented by the universe, the beings who populate it, and existence in general, we are overtaken by the sentiment of insignificance but also by an impression of the marvelous. Everything is once again a question of your angle of perception and point of view.

It is impossible to truly understand and describe a system in which we are a part and are immersed. We are lacking a panoramic view, an external view. Consequently, we describe the possibility of an extraterrestrial "intrusion" in terms of confrontations, hostile struggles, and of predation because we are immersed in our matrix of four apparent dimensions (3D and time). The experience of consciousness outside of this matrix can bring us a vision less charged with fear. It would be useless to make any definitive conclusions about the nature of this "extraterrestrial" intrusion at the spot in which we find ourselves, integrated in our own cognitive system. Do not forget what the astrophysicist Jacques Vallee affirms in his book "Revelations":

Vallee said:
"Someone is in the process of spending a lot of energy to convince us that we are threatened by beings from space. To prop up this idea, the facts relating to real UFO phenomena and its true history were so badly deformed that the specialists themselves have abandoned their research and have stopped investigating real cases."

In other words, they are instilling fear in us, a deforming fear that will not help us to understand and follow up on what will undoubtedly be the future of this adventure in consciousness.

Niall · Apr 1, 2008

Great synopsis, though I felt that it faltered towards the end as it took on a 'relativist' flavour:

On the other hand, if we "believe" in the emergence of an "apocalypse". the scenario that we have imagined will finish by coming about. Everything is therefore a question of personal perception. It is the same thing for that which Meurois calls the "adversary". It will take the face that we wish to give it.

And what of Truth? She doesn't get a much of a mention.

It is impossible to truly understand and describe a system in which we are a part and are immersed. We are lacking a panoramic view, an external view. Consequently, we describe the possibility of an extraterrestrial "intrusion" in terms of confrontations, hostile struggles, and of predation because we are immersed in our matrix of four apparent dimensions (3D and time). The experience of consciousness outside of this matrix can bring us a vision less charged with fear. It would be useless to make any definitive conclusions about the nature of this "extraterrestrial" intrusion at the spot in which we find ourselves, integrated in our own cognitive system.

Definitive conclusions? No. But thanks to QFG, we are in a position to have a damned good go at it.

OCKHAM · Apr 1, 2008

Thanks Henry,

Is it just me, or does this seem like a very well put together white-wash?

Palliate: to mitigate, make less severe, a glossy blue pill.

henry · Apr 1, 2008

Well, not not give some of your reasons why you think it is a whitewash, what is good and what is weak?

OCKHAM · Apr 1, 2008

I'll have to come back tonight and work on it. Too much slavery in progress.

Ruth · Apr 1, 2008

henry said:
The following article is a translation from an article originally published in French on the website Karmapolis:

by Karmaone

This interior conflict is well described by the concept put forward by Laura Knight-Jadczyk on the Cassiopaean site: the famous organic portals who are characterized by psychopathic behaviour.

There is a problem with this and it is the same one that exists with calling organic portals "souless".

Organic portals can be described as having access to only three chakras. These chakras are the root chakra (1st), sacral chakra (2nd) and throat chakra (5th). They are neither "souless", nor are they automatically characterised by psychopathic behaviour. Mechanical behaviour, perhaps, but this is neither 'bad' nor wrong.

They just happen to not be the 'souped up' type of human model that has access to all 7 chakras and who can feel what it is like for another, rather than just being able to mentally put themselves in someone elses place.

This has the potential to bring a rather large house of cards down around everyones heads. So, I would suggest everybody has a think about what an organic portal is and what they aren't. I've come to the conclusion that organic portals are pretty benign human types that search for programs to 'teach' them how to be 'human'. Its the highly sts so-called 'souled' people, or even the ones in struggle that we have to worry about.

Ryan · Apr 1, 2008

FWIW, I think it is an excellent article that embraces a number of different perspectives in order to try and shed light on a matter rarely - if ever - discussed (and usually with far too much subjective and emotional bias when it is). Thanks for posting it, Henry.

Z... · Apr 1, 2008

ditto Ryan

I really enjoyed reading it , its thought provoking and gives a good overview of the whole issue, actually IMO it could be used as a good teaser for people unfamiliar with the topic

Z... · Apr 1, 2008

Ruth said:
They just happen to not be the 'souped up' type of human model that has access to all 7 chakras and who can feel what it is like for another, rather than just being able to mentally put themselves in someone elses place.

you know I think we best leave chakras out of this conversation
for past 15 years everyone is talking about chakras, polishing of chakras , chakra vibrating, chakra activation, visualization you name it - I did the fair share of different exercises, not to mention that I have been yoga adept for years now - never experienced anything that would convince me the whole premise about chakras is true :(

Ruth said:
This has the potential to bring a rather large house of cards down around everyones heads. So, I would suggest everybody has a think about what an organic portal is and what they aren't. I've come to the conclusion that organic portals are pretty benign human types that search for programs to 'teach' them how to be 'human'. Its the highly sts so-called 'souled' people, or even the ones in struggle that we have to worry about.

I am afraid you completely lost me here. Could you please clarify...

Cyre2067 · Apr 1, 2008

FWIW I enjoyed it, I do agree the end has a sort of sense of 'wrapping up' an issue that really can't be concluded, at least not yet. I did enjoy the beginning, the quotes and comparisons from various authors and the discussion in between. That one like at the end,

On the other hand, if we "believe" in the emergence of an "apocalypse". the scenario that we have imagined will finish by coming about. Everything is therefore a question of personal perception. It is the same thing for that which Meurois calls the "adversary". It will take the face that we wish to give it.

has a feel of YCYOR... but then again, not exactly the same idea. Simply believing in an 'end of time' won't bring it about, just as believing the status quo will continue ad infinitum won't prevent it. All there is is lessons, and we'll get whatever we're scheduled to take I suppose.

OCKHAM · Apr 2, 2008

This article seems a good example of how many of us think. We are capable of so much, even in the worst conditions we become super organizers at times.

In commenting on this article, for me, it is to perceive its use as to its overall (interjection of its value). It rest with the medication group which I will touch on.

As Deckard as stated, it has use, it has value. This is true.

A propaganda piece on the front page of the New York Times also has value, or does it not?

Are we weighing things that should not be weighed? Even so, we feel the competition nestled in it.

Can you deny that this element exists?

How do you detect it?

It has a computation in the mind of the writer that we can feel, but can only estimate as to its divisions. If these divisions were visible, a different perspective as to value may be perceived. Don’t confuse the text with the message in thinking about this for a moment.

I look at it as just another med, but now it seems maybe more like detoxification for discussion in some ways.

The topic of organic is useless as this is the open door without a knob. I was attempting to clarify the use and value of the expression overall whether about bunny rabbits or bombs.

The teacher who thinks he is a carpenter seems the overall effect from this article. I have a woodshop full of wood of which most is useless, however, occasionally, there are pieces (laying) around that just happen to be exactly the right piece that is needed. Can you explain why this is?

These pieces may in fact be the same as what is occurring in the authors mind. The difference are in how they lay.

I realize this may be difficult to understand, and we all make mistakes, even on our best days. I may even change my thought here to different ones if needed. Nothing is in stone. There is no belief that is 100%, at least for me. It’s a process of path that is improved.

When this article is out loose in the medication zone, it medicates the readers, and depending on their state of perception, it can be weighed based on its value in this relation. This article would seemingly help to keep people from seeing the (necessary elements) that we are so aware of around these parts. It may serve as a pathos warming pan, if luck is with you. I don’t consider luck in weight. I would much rather consider steam.

By selecting pieces of wood that only seem to fit you begin to build a castle. The author is splitting the medication between the reader and himself, and we must learn how to measure it.

I also am concerned with the basics of belief, and their root landing pads. It could be handy to have the type of navigation available to anaylize the matrix.

All these articles that we anaylize here at QFG, are placed into a setting also which effectively places a wedge just in the right place. Where ever this article remains posted, these settings will greatly affect the outcome for the reader. You are reading at home here in some ways, and this may in fact slightly alter your perspective. We may become complacent without even realizing it.

In this cloud in our minds of perception, we become compliant, or mutable, of which is selecting wood that was never meant to fit. How do we do this you may ask? Well, I have been thinking a lot about it since Henry posted this article, in the cooking time that was available.

It does seem like respect, but sorry Charlie, it is compliance within a range. This range is accepted easier here at the nest, if you will. The compliance in your mind is held in place by the group, it is good to have respect and show courtesy with others. However, we also may use these feelings to make other decisions just out of courtesy alone.

I can not speak for anyone here, but there is a battle going on that is beginning to heat way up, and if we think we can win this battle by giving courtesy to all the medication that is presented in the present form, we are sadly mistaken. We will continue to drown.

The adversity and news are one. Nearly all media is 95% adversity. Can you detect the misfortune? Misfortune only does one thing. It is called want. Pause for commercial.

If you like, I will return and dissect, but this moves the landing pad and if no discernment between the two, you create a worm.

I hope this interpretation makes sense.

I also would be happy to reply more, but now am off to see the diction, and will dig out adverse, it is a massive worm that needs killing. She has been bugging for a long time.

Ruth · Apr 2, 2008

Deckard said:
you know I think we best leave chakras out of this conversation
for past 15 years everyone is talking about chakras, polishing of chakras , chakra vibrating, chakra activation, visualization you name it - I did the fair share of different exercises, not to mention that I have been yoga adept for years now - never experienced anything that would convince me the whole premise about chakras is true

Then there is no reason to discuss souls or anything else that can't be proven.

Deckard said:
I am afraid you completely lost me here. Could you please clarify...

The QFG 'take' on organic portals has the potential to be a vector for attack, like a chink in someone's armour, if you like
That could be a dangerous situation that has the potential to cause great grief, especially if somebody or a group was looking to attack them for some reason.

This is why such 'unknowns' should actively be pursued and new ideas thought about instead of dismissed. Otherwise the situation has the potential to become quite problematic.

anart · Apr 2, 2008

Apologies, Ruth, I mistakenly edited your post while trying to reply to it - I attempted to correct it, but I could not re-capture it all (please add back in what I missed).

Ruth said:
The QFG 'take' on organic portals has the potential to be a vector for attack, like a chink in someone's armour, if you like.

While your concern is appreciated - I'm curious as to why you would use the phrase 'take' on OPs - where do you think the term Organic Portal originated? Are you unaware of the problems that have already come about due to people's erroneous interpretation and understanding of this hypothesis?

Ruth said:
That could be a dangerous situation that has the potential to cause great grief, especially if somebody or a group was looking to attack them for some reason.

Been there, done that, Ruth. This appears to be a bit of fear mongering on your part because you once again expect to be heard on the subject of OPs. Do you think that if QFG embraced your interpretation then the danger would be lessened?

Ruth said:
This is why such 'unknowns' should actively be pursued and new ideas thought about instead of dismissed.

New ideas are always considered, until they are proven faulty - and then they are dismissed.

Ruth, every single time a discussion on this forum has entailed OPs, you are triggered like literal clockwork. Every single time. Also, you have made it painfully clear that your 'take' on this hypothesis is not in alignment, at all, with the 'QFG take' - as you would put it, and that you have no intention of adjusting your understanding.

In short, your subjective interpretations are dismissed because they have been proven, through observation, data collection and discussion, to be faulty on certain key points - time and again. You are, of course, entitled to your opinions on such matters - however - you have taken up enough of this forum's time with your personal 'take' on what is and what is not 'an Organic Portal'.

We've already dealt with the 'problems' that result from the OP hypothesis - and they are directly related to people NOT understanding the concept or application - a situation that is fed - solely - by subjective interpretations like your own and a general inability to understand the crux of the matter.

So, please spare this forum more speculation on what Ruth thinks of OPs - no offense intended at all, but there are pages of your explanations and that really is quite enough to give a very clear, and full view of your understanding.

anart · Apr 2, 2008

OCKHAM said:
This article seems a good example of how many of us think. We are capable of so much, even in the worst conditions we become super organizers at times....................

Ockham, no offense intended at all, but this post was one of the most unclear things I have ever read - could you please try to simplify and clarify your point?

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