The Situation In Germany

Leaving aside the stereotypes you're invoking a little traffic discipline is nothing to sneeze at.
For 2022 the statistics determined 3,260 traffic deaths in France (pop. 60 mil./ 39 mil. cars) while in Germany (pop. 84 mil./60 mil. cars) the figure was 2,782 traffic deaths even though there is still no general speed limit on the Autobahn.

I was fairly successful in surviving city traffic (not least due to my car crystal), and I'll take some compulsive fellow humans sticking to the rules on the road anytime over those practicing ingenious spontaneity.
this is why i always cross a street AWAY from a traffic light or a marked pedestrian crossing. in france: en dehors des clous...
 
Germany will now fine you $10,000 for "misgendering" and allow parents to pick their children's sex AT BIRTH

I regret to inform you that this is, in fact, real life:

Yes, Germany actually passed this bill which includes a $10,800 fine for deadnaming/misgendering, and allows parents to gender-transition their child at birth.

I cannot believe this is real life.

The Self-Determination Act (SBGG) establishes ‘gender identity' as a protected characteristic and allows parents to change the sex marker on their children's documents from birth.
Supported by Chancellor Olaf Scholz's three-party coalition and promoted and supported by the Socialist Democratic Party (SDP), the SBGG also creates the potential for citizens to be fined up to €10,000 (approx. $10,800 USD) for revealing a person's given name and birth sex without their permission - an action that trans activists staunchly oppose and refer to as ‘deadnaming.'
But arguably the most troubling aspect of the law relates to a portion of the bill which permits parents to alter the recorded sex of children beginning from birth. From the age of five years old, it allows for name and sex changes if there is "mutual consent" between the child and their parents.

A $10,800 fine for misgendering or deadnaming!

There's no way to parody this. They're really writing it into law that you can choose your baby's sex at birth. And of course this has nothing to do with normal sane people who assign their children the correct sex at birth. It's the crazies who want to immediately throw their boy in a dress, or their girl in a "chick magnet" shirt as some sort of sick and twisted science experiment. This law is literally written to protect insane people who are hell bent on creating sociopath children.


More from the story:

According to a description of the bill on the Bundestag's official website, the Self-Determination Act was designed "to implement a core idea of the Basic Law, the protection of gender identity, by giving people the opportunity to change their gender entry and first name without discrimination."
It continues that following a change, a one-year "blocking period" will apply where no further changes are allowed, though a person may change their name and sex once again after the year passes.
If parents choose to do so, they may alter the identifying information of their children from birth. The SBGG stipulates that the consent of a child is necessary from the age of five, and, "from the age of 14, minors can do it themselves, but require the consent of their guardians."
However, should parents refuse to provide legal permission, "a family court would decide based on the best interests of the child," thus allowing the state to overrule the wishes of parents or legal guardians.
Here are the bill's most ardent supporters in parliament:

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No surprises there!

Well, good luck, Germany. I can't wait to see (1) how you interpret this law for ordinary European citizens, and (2) how it is interpreted when one of your many African and Middle Eastern immigrants breaks the law.


The law goes into effect in November, so y'all beer drinkers got one last chance to do Oktoberfest the right way.​


10 000€ is no joke....

It is fascinating to see the road Germany is on, but at the same time how "late" they are. While it was all the rage in America during the last years, to me it seems that the craziness there started to water down, actually turning more and more people against this whole satanic movement.
And you would think that the German government would pick up on that - but no! They are marching down, yet another, already doomed road.
:ohboy:
 
Leaving aside the stereotypes you're invoking a little traffic discipline is nothing to sneeze at.
For 2022 the statistics determined 3,260 traffic deaths in France (pop. 60 mil./ 39 mil. cars) while in Germany (pop. 84 mil./60 mil. cars) the figure was 2,782 traffic deaths even though there is still no general speed limit on the Autobahn.

I was fairly successful in surviving city traffic (not least due to my car crystal), and I'll take some compulsive fellow humans sticking to the rules on the road anytime over those practicing ingenious spontaneity.
I agree, most cultural differences have both positive and negative aspects to them.

Germany (and much of Western Europe) was flooded with African and Middle Eastern immigrants probably because it was too peaceful and orderly. More chaos was needed to present the police state and limiting freedom as the "solution". I think something similar is at least part of the reason for the currently open southern US border.
 
@Mari you are right, it seems like Germany always lacks a few years behind. Which is weird because you see thing playing out in the US, and then you wait for the the German adaption. The self-determination-act is bad enough as it is, the only "good" thing is, that it only allows for changing your gender legally (bad enough, as parents can decide for their young children). At least for now, children need to be 18 years old (of legal age) for gender surgery, 16 years for hormone therapy.

This article is from a press agency but it gives a good overview the self-determination-act. Sometimes I want to know those things are spoken about in mainstream media. It must have been quite the progessive day in parliament, towards the end, the last paragraph summarizes:
In other socially liberal reforms, Scholz’s government has legalized the possession of limited amounts of cannabis; eased the rules on gaining German citizenship and ended restrictions on holding dual citizenship; and ended a ban on doctors “advertising” abortion services.

For those speaking German, this episode of German podcast Basta Berlin might be fun.

They speak about the act suring the first half. If I remember correctly, they also shortly talk about fines for misgendering, it seems (as always "at least fro now"), that Germany won't go as far as Canada, but who knows, it might be interesting bait to divert conservative sentiment / ourage from other topics.
 
@Mari you are right, it seems like Germany always lacks a few years behind. Which is weird because you see thing playing out in the US, and then you wait for the the German adaption. The self-determination-act is bad enough as it is, the only "good" thing is, that it only allows for changing your gender legally (bad enough, as parents can decide for their young children). At least for now, children need to be 18 years old (of legal age) for gender surgery, 16 years for hormone therapy.

This article is from a press agency but it gives a good overview the self-determination-act. Sometimes I want to know those things are spoken about in mainstream media. It must have been quite the progessive day in parliament, towards the end, the last paragraph summarizes:


For those speaking German, this episode of German podcast Basta Berlin might be fun.

They speak about the act suring the first half. If I remember correctly, they also shortly talk about fines for misgendering, it seems (as always "at least fro now"), that Germany won't go as far as Canada, but who knows, it might be interesting bait to divert conservative sentiment / ourage from other topics.

Thanks for sharing, they are both hilarious and to the point.
 
Leaving aside the stereotypes you're invoking a little traffic discipline is nothing to sneeze at.
For 2022 the statistics determined 3,260 traffic deaths in France (pop. 60 mil./ 39 mil. cars) while in Germany (pop. 84 mil./60 mil. cars) the figure was 2,782 traffic deaths even though there is still no general speed limit on the Autobahn.

I was fairly successful in surviving city traffic (not least due to my car crystal), and I'll take some compulsive fellow humans sticking to the rules on the road anytime over those practicing ingenious spontaneity.
dear ursusminor, of course you are right. but i am a bit of an anarchist and like to counter the politically correct system...
 
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