Chemical Hallucinations, Mind Control,
Dr. Jose Delgado

Laura Knight-Jadczyk

"Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain." Dr. Jose Delgado

Dr Jose Delgado

"Free Will is the most important law in all of Creation." Cassiopaeans

October, 1999: The above quote by Dr. Jose Delgado is quite frightening, isn't it?

Until a few days ago, I had never heard of Dr. Delgado. However, a funny series of events brought him and his work to my attention, and it is worthwhile to note the series as a pattern of how the Universe teaches us.

A curious exchange was discovered on October 30, on one of the Internet newsgroups, and it is related to the above quote and other rather recent discussions among a small mail list we have here at Cassiopaea. The subject was brought up, in our semi-private discussion, of the use of chemicals to enhance awareness. The group was discussing the "deepest secrets of humanity," in a general sense, and one member of the mail group forwarded information about the obtaining of psychoactive substances that are purported to be legal. I cannot vouch for the efficacy of the alkaloid bearing plants, but I have certainly heard that they are effective.

However, this e-mail was only addressed to TWO of the members of the "Round Robin" discussion, (one of which was myself) which I did not notice at the time, believing it to be sent to all. I didn't respond to this initial e-mail because, as a general rule, I just enjoy everyone else's exchange and just send a few comments or extracts from the Cassiopaean material when appropriate. I am also very busy and CAN'T respond to all of it.

Nevertheless, the other recipient of this e-mail, besides myself, as I noted only later, posted back words to the effect that he might be interested in such experimentation at some point in the future. It was not entirely clear whether he was serious or not, and my general impression was that he was only half-serious, nevertheless, it was a subject that deserved discussion among the group. On the one hand, it was a direction that could lead to many ideas about perceptions of reality and personal experiences in that respect.

On the other hand, I was somewhat distressed to think that chemicals were being promoted amongst the group. I felt that if I said nothing, it might be seen as tacit approval of such practices. And, in the case of this particular member, I was already somewhat concerned for his well-being. So, I searched the Cassiopaean texts for the references to the subject and posted back to the ENTIRE group the following:

On this subject, C's had following remarks to make....


Q: (L) Carlos Casteneda writes about the peyote beings called "Mescalitos." This being supposedly is part of the peyote plant, a sort of being from the plant. Is this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) What beings does one encounter when one eats a bunch of peyote?

A: Hallucination.

Q: (L) Why are these hallucinations so consistent?

A: Because those that do have that expectation. If you ate enough peyote you would encounter Santa Claus if that was your expectation. (Much laughter)


Q: (L) One of the questions on the list is: In many of the Sumerian drawings and literature, the gods, the Annunaki, are described as eating a plant that grew at the bottom of the ocean, and this plant was the source of eternal life.

A: Nonsense! The source of eternal life is existence!

Q: (L) Well, the point was that there was some sort of food that these beings ate that was unusual or different that somehow enhanced their abilities to an extreme degree...

A: Totally false and you should know it!! All so-called "special powers" come from non-physical sources!!!

The second recipient of the "private e-mails" about chemical mind expansion substances was apparently NOT desirous of sharing his thoughts on this subject with the rest of the group, and took me severely to task for responding to all with the brief quote from his own communication.

At this point, I checked and discovered that this had been a "short list," or one from which the other recipients had been deleted. I was troubled by the implied "secrecy," from the other members of the discussion, since none of the material under discussion was personal, and it was certainly worthy of discussion among all. Nevertheless, this individual added later that he was not REALLY planning to engage in hallucinatory "mind expansion" experiments.

I was certainly relieved and hoped that we could now proceed with our discussion of the matter, but the individual in question suddenly wrote to all the group and rather contemptuously and sarcastically requested that no one of us ever communicate with him again as he was dropping the list. He cited as his reason an extract of the Cassiopaean text as a sort of "proof" of "inconsistency" in the material:

A: Totally false and you should know it!! All so-called "special powers" come from non-physical sources!!!

From: "The Cassiopaeans Discuss Dreams"

The next time dreams were mentioned was in a funny context. I had asked whether the new "fad" for melatonin as an "age reversal" element was useful and was told that, yes, it was beneficial - though not precisely as advertised. So, I asked:


Q: (L) Why should we take the Melatonin?

A: Is mild hallucinogen.

Q: (L) Why do we need this?

A: Keeps exercising psychic abilities and opens paths. Don't be alarmed by vividly erotic dreams.

Q: (L) Should we expect to have vividly erotic dreams?

A: Possible as psyche passes through levels on ascension. Your consciousness will soon give you spectacularly sharp, exact and correct information.

Q: (L) Will this be due to ingesting the Melatonin?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Is soon within a month?

A: You will know.

Q: (L) I get the feeling that this has a lot to do with trusting my own intuition.

A: Yes.

[Laura's note: see response to Adam on discussion page regarding "accuracy."

Another member of the list then wrote the following in defense of "Chemical Mind Alteration:"

[Quoted by permission, but name withheld at my discretion.]

Q: (L) Carlos Casteneda writes about the peyote beings called "Mescalitos." This being supposedly is part of the peyote plant, a sort of being from the plant. Is this true?

A: No.

I am disappointed in the C's hasty dismissal here, for the deprecating term hallucination in this context takes on an almost vicious CSICOP quasi-prosaic feel, leaving chunks of cheek lacerated and dangling after shaving with so dull an [Occam's] razor as this!

For whatever reason, I'm reminded here of the old Fleetwood Mac song which goes, "Cause what matters most, is the feeling you get ... when you're hypnotized."

Indeed, this is arguably the very heart of high magick -- that fundamental restructuring of consciousness which subtlely transpires while hanging in that "other place." <snip>

And FWIW, I've never pseen Santa Claus on a trip -- not even after ingesting 3 hits of 4-way windowpane. Yet again, in balance, perhaps it's wise to consider the advice of Dr. John Lilly (the LSD/dolphin guy who invented the sensory deprivation tank) on the subject of psychedelic drugs. Though perhaps necessary to provide a "consciousness jump-start" earlier in the game, he remarked, to continue their use at this late a stage is roughly akin to "showing up to church drunk." Sadly, we emerge somewhat disappointed this fine day o'er the perplexing lack of substance in the C's replies to your valuable and insightful questions.

There were other comments from the Cassiopaeans on the subject of Mind Altering Drugs as a means of accessing higher states of consciousness, which I then sent to the list, (excluding the member who had requested exclusion), to wit:

"Cassiopaeans: Melatonin does not force an alteration in physiological brain chemistry, as does mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc. Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythm of psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of self-imposed abridging of free will. Melatonin simply allows the system to clear obstructions in the brain chemistry naturally, thereby allowing the subject to continue to learn at a natural pace. And, it is by no means unimportant that melatonin is a natural body hormone. The other substances mentioned are, at least in part, synthetic, with the exception of peyote. But, even that is not a natural ingredient of the human physiological being."

Then, we received the following post from the correspondent above who gave permission to quote and use his "Internet Handle," but I have not due to the sensitive nature of the subject.

Q: (L) Many people hint about some sort of "ultimate secret" that drives men mad when they discover it. What is... the "ultimate secret" being protected by the Consortium?

A: (Cassiopaeans) You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment.

::: Mimosahuasca and the Martians :::

An Experience with Mimosahuasca

by "Deducer"

DOSE: 20 g M. hostilis rootbark 150 mg moclobemide

Well, I finally succeeded, after a year of intermittent attempts that always fell short, in achieving the true, undeniable DMT space. I wanted it and boy, did I get it. Folks, it kicked my ass into the next century. It was easily the most bizarre and frightening experience I've ever had (even more so than the 7-minute 5-MeO nightmare!). I now understand the true meaning of shamanism---what they mean when they talk about walking the line between worlds, tapping into a completely alien source of knowledge. It isn't something that I think I care to repeat. It was simply too awesome.

This time, it appears several things converged to finally make the experience possible. I had processed 20g of M. hostilis rootbark this time, having had only very limited effects from past attempts using 8, 10 and 12 grams. I figured I was a DMT `hardhead' and needed that much. (Ha!) Also, this time the first phase of the extraction sat soaking in the methanol for a good 2 weeks instead of 4 or 5 days as before. This may have helped. Finally, for this experiment I used a 150mg tab of Moclobemide as the MAO inhibitor. I was very curious to see if it made a difference as opposed to using harmala extract, and I definitely think it did.

When the effects commenced some 2 hours after I drank the bitter sludge, they did not really creep in gradually as before. They hit fast in an accelerated rush, not unlike my first MDMA experience. I was standing up at the time, and had to go lay down as I thought I might faint on the spot. For a minute it seemed pleasant enough, but then something happened that I am still attempting to sort out for myself.

I have read with some degree of skepticism the many reports on DMT trips which talk about alien intelligence, alien presence, etc., and always thought that this was other peoples' interpretation of what was going on in their minds during their trip, and that my mind would not go there. WRONG... to my utter disbelief, I experienced, even though I was fighting it at the time (and losing), what I can only call an alien presence.

Just like someone else posted about this same combo (Moclobemide and DMT orally), it felt like an invasive mental probing by an alien force, or something. I did not want to believe in it, I was fighting it, but it was undeniable. As preposterous as the concept was, there it was, posing as truth, running my mind. At the peak of this section of the experience, I was having "revelations" that were so outlandish that I realized I probably could not express them to my friends or anyone later on, because they just sounded too insane. They still do to me as well.

Principally, I had a sudden vision, or I should say a concept or a "truth", that was so out there that it terrified me that I had gone so far out there as to think it, no matter what I was high on. I was "told" that all human life on earth was merely a long-term genetic experiment by extraplanetary life-forms alien to us, and that our very existence was owed to them, although it was in their program not to have us realize this. I had been chosen to be allowed to know the incredible secret to human existence: that these aliens had taken their own genetic material and hybridized it with primates found on the planet at the time of their arrival millions of years ago (only a short time in their scale), resulting in we "humans."

All human ideology about religion, God, self-determination, and most of all, our perception that *we* are the only ones in control of what happens on this planet, were shown to me to be a total joke, a delusion that we create ourselves. The tendency to see "Gods" as essentially human models (Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc.) was shown to me to be all part of their plan. The catch-22 was seamless and perfect---I had been shown the awesome truth, but of course I can never reveal it to the world because I will only sound insane to everyone.

For a moment the Heaven's Gate people seemed to be more sane than anyone. That's when I knew I was really out of it. It was scary that I would even think such a thing.

The experience I had was completely different than the one I have been chasing. I wanted the trip that DeKorne describes in his book, where incredible open-eye visuals dominate, taking the imagination for a ride... one that wrapped unreal visuals together in balance with awesome realizations, perhaps in a ratio of 70% visual, 30% mental. But there were really no visuals to speak of in this experience. Some distortion, yes, but that was all. It was all an incredibly powerful mind___k (pardon the term).

I was having crying jags that were not connected to any thought or cause that I could see... just releases of raw emotion, as if I was a puppet being manipulated. I was alternately fighting it and trying to roll with it... I was saying "no, no, no no, no" and "uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh" as if it would bring back my old reality. I experienced time distortion on a scale that I hadn't thought possible. I was caught in a hellish loop that was timeless. I thought the effects would never end... I was listening to an album that I knew was only about 45 minutes long, but each time I would feel as if an eternity---hours, days, a lifetime---had passed, and surely the album had ended, I would open my eyes and focus on the music and realize that it had only been a minute or two! This was discomfiting because it made me feel that I had gone insane---permanently.

I began to believe that I had ruined my life, finally toyed with these things (entheogens) enough to lose my mind. I began to have insidious suicidal thoughts. I had to say "No, no, no!" out loud to push away the thoughts of getting up, getting a gun and shooting myself. (I may have to get my gun out of the house! It's just a collapsible .22 survival rifle for deep-wilderness backpacking, but still...)

The news isn't all bad---I did have flashes of positive messages telling me that my own potential was limitless and that all the limitations that exist in my life are self-created, that my genetic material (and that of most of you out there on this list) is far superior to the vast majority of human beings and has been chosen for the kind of knowledge that we appear to have been given. But in the end, even these good thoughts seemed delusional.

In fact delusional doesn't even begin to describe the state I was in, despite the fact that at the very same time my rational mind was present and trying to process all of it. Finally I threw up the purple muck and the ride was over. It had lasted from about 9:30 p.m. to about 12:30 a.m. Quite long enough for me, thanks. What was referred to as "the Holy Grail" [chemical mind expansion] I now see as something more like "the Evil Confuser." It's going to take a while to integrate and understand what happened last night. - - - - -

This certainly gave me pause to think. And, it further confirmed what the Cassiopaeans had said about the dangers of chemical mind alteration. If one forces the brain to perceive things BEFORE the consciousness is prepared to deal with them, the results can be disastrous.

So, now we move to the background of one of the "participants" in the discussion of the Cassiopaen material at alt.alienvisitors,"Dr. Jose Delgado." After reading it, we did an internet search to see what we could find about this person who apparently knew our material so well that he created an interesting sequence of quotes to post on this newsgroup, (with his own "spin," of course!)

Next I received an e-mail from a "confidential informant" who said:

"FWIW, however, the post was not truly authored by Delgado, it was just that ____fellow using one of his many aliases (as he does with the Mahatma Oozing Pus, etc.) I'm not even certain if Delgado is still alive, though many assert his diabolical work continues.

[The name is replaced by a blank to preserve privacy, though it was the SAME individual in our group who departed in a huff]"

What all of this led up to was the fact that there were certain factors that beg to be addressed. So, since our commentator, whoever he is, chooses to call himself "Dr. Jose Delgado," perhaps expressing some inner need to identify with the good doctor, we will work with that fantasy!

According to Harry V. Martin and David Caul, authors of the following excerpt about "Dr. Delgado," he is clearly an "insider" of the "Consortium." A large portion of the following material from "Mind Control: The Current Situation" is concerned with the experimental us of chemical mind alteration for various purposes. It is worth reading in its entirety.

Mind Control: The Current Situation -

By Harry V. Martin and David Caul

Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 Copyright Napa Sentinel, 1991,

in Part II we find the following regarding a Dr. Jose Delgado,

Doctor Jose Delgado: "Man does not have the right to develop his own mind." (Congressional Record, New York Times)

"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated.

"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective.

"Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

These were the remarks of Dr. Jose Delgado as they appeared in the February 24, 1974 edition of the Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118.

Despite Dr. Delgado's outlandish statements before Congress, his work was financed by grants from the Office of Naval Research, the Air Force Aero-Medical Research Laboratory, and the Public Health Foundation of Boston.

Dr. Delgado was a pioneer of the technology of Electrical Stimulation of the Brain (ESB). The New York Times ran an article on May 17, 1965 entitled Matador With a Radio Stops Wild Bull. The story details Dr. Delgado's experiments at Yale University School of Medicine and work in the field at Cordova, Spain. The New York Times stated:

"Afternoon sunlight poured over the high wooden barriers into the ring, as the brave bull bore down on the unarmed matador, a scientist who had never faced fighting bull. But the charging animal's horn never reached the man behind the heavy red cape. Moments before that could happen, Dr. Delgado pressed a button on a small radio transmitter in his hand and the bull braked to a halt. Then he pressed another button on the transmitter, and the bull obediently turned to the right and trotted away. The bull was obeying commands in his brain that were being called forth by electrical stimulation by the radio signals to certain regions in which fine wires had been painlessly planted the day before."

According to Dr. Delgado, experiments of this type have also been performed on humans. While giving a lecture on the Brain in 1965, Dr. Delgado said, "Science has developed a new methodology for the study and control of cerebral function in animals and humans."

At alt.alienvisitors (tm) we find the following exchange. I have coded the text in color so that the three participants in the discussion can be distinguished.

"Dr. Delgado" - purple text,

"Mahatma Oozing Pus" (how charming!) - red text,

Frederick Burroughs - green text:

Subject: Re: ::: Mimohuasca, Strong, Alien, "Holy Grail?!"

::: Date: 1999/10/29

Author:" Dr. Jose Delgado "

Frederick Burroughs wrote:

Mahatma Oozing Pus wrote:


Every living thing on this planet today is viewed as being entirely

expendable from the perspective of the survivability factor in terms of

long range existence tens to hundreds of thousands of years into the

future and beyond.

"Expendable" is a term of economics. Equating the once sacred term "living" with

"expendable" is evidence of the inevitable economic triumph of biotechnology.

Eventually, if not already, life is just a biochemical function, to be exploited

and subjected to intellectual copyright. But, as you say, this is just the short-term.

Nothing alive today in its current form or modality

is going anywhere. Period. Therefore, someone with unimaginable foresight

may or may not be making "adjustments" behind the scenes. These hypothetical

"adjustments" would have to be perfomed in secret because Mr. and Mrs.

Biosphere aren't really sure yet if they understand the short range ethics

of biotechnology, let alone the inevitable large scale transhuman engineering

which will occur much further down the road, openly.

Transhuman? Why such a limited approach? The concept of species is already extinct,

that border no longer exists. Genes get scrambled more easily than illegals

crossing a border. Consciousness will be excised, knocked out, snipped, a useless

artifact. We will dissolve into a transgenic pool and will emerge as

transquantized, transnaniological units of potential utility; distinct and unique,

and extremely brief. Not so different from what we are now, unperceived.

Ahhh Yes! Well, until that fateful day when we all revert back to the primordial soup - which we all so desperately yearn for in our secret souls - it will have to be urban myths and rural fantasies to tide us over in the interim.

And who are us anyhow? 'Us' be gobs and gobs of living humanoidal tissue cultures in search of a little bedtime story courtesy of those wild and crazy Cassiopeans-A-Go-Go:

Cassiopaeans: "Here comes a shocker for you... one day, in 4th density, it will be your descendants mission to carry on the tradition and assignment of seeding the 3rd density universe, once you have the adequate knowledge!!! [ ]

"In this part of your 3rd and 4th density universe, specifically your "galaxy" it is the region known as Orion that is the one and only indigenous home of human type beings... reflect on this! Indigenous home base, not sole locator. What you are most in need of review of is the accurate profile of "alien" data.

"There have been homes in all places, but some were/are transitory, and some are not. Pay attention to Orion! This is your ancestral home, and your eventual destination. Here is the absolutely accurately accurate profile of Orion to follow: This is the most heavily populated region of your Milky Way galaxy! This is a region that extends across 3rd and 4th density space for a distance as vast as the distance between your locator and it. There are 3,444 inhabited "worlds" in this region. Some are planets as you know them. Some are artificially constructed planetoids. Some are floating space barges. And some are "satellites." There are primary homes, traveling stations and incubator laboratories all in 2nd, 3rd and 4th densities. There are overseer zones in 5th and 6th densities. Approximately one half is STO and one half is STS. Together, along with many other colonies, located elsewhere, this is called, in translation, Orion Federation. Orions created grays in 5 varieties, as cybergenetic beings, and installed them on Zeta Reticuli 1, 2, 3, and 4, as well as on 2 planets orbiting Barnard's Star. The Reptilians also inhabit 6 planets in the Orion region in 4th density, and are owned by the Orion STS as slaves, and, in some cases, pets!!! The name "Orion" is the actual native name, and was brought to earth directly. Study the legend of the "god" of Orion for parallels

Q: (L) You indicated that we should study the legend of Orion, and I looked it up in several sources, and basically the legend is of the perfect man, who fell in love with a woman, and her jealous father caused him to be blinded. The only cure was to gaze at the light, the goddess Aurora, to regain his sight. Can you tell us how this relates to the idea that Orion was the indigenous home of humans?

A: It is up to you to look for answers. .

Q: (L) What is this item that they were protecting so that society or the public wouldn't know about it. What activity is this?

A: Humans eat cattle, aliens eat you. [...]

Q: (L) Many people hint about some sort of "ultimate secret" that drives men mad when they discover it. What is... the "ultimate secret" being protected by the Consortium?

A: You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment. [...]

Q: (T) Okay, is this part of, is this about the Lizzies dominating us and sucking us dry?

A: Yes, but there's much more than that, you will understand at level 4.

Q: (L) How "long", and I put long in quotes, because we know, as you say, there is no time, but how long, as we measure it, have the Aliens...

A: Time travelers, therefore, "Time is ongoing." Do you understand the gravity of this response?

Q: (L) They are time travelers, they can move forward and backward in time, they can play games with our heads... (T) They can set up the past to create a future they want. (D) They can organize things so that they can create the energy that they need... (L) They can also make things look good, make them feel good, make them seem good, they can make you have an idea one minute, and then the next minute, create some sort of situation that confirms that idea...

A: When you asked how long, of course it is totally unlimited, is it not?

Q: (L) That's not good. If they were to move back through space time and alter an event in our past, would that alteration in the past instantaneously alter our present as well?

A: Has over and over and over.

Q: (D) So they do it over and over and over, constantly?

A: You just are not yet aware, and have no idea of the ramifications!!! [...]

Q: (L) If we decided that we wanted a different world, could we, as even a small group, create that kind of world and have it seem that we hadn't...

A: We have told you thus.

Ark: "What do we know? We know that we have linear time. If we are in a 4 dimensional Minkowski space as we know from Einstein, in this space there is, indeed, one time that can be perceived differently by different observers. There are factors which can change the flow of time. One of these factors is speed. If you approach the speed of light, time is experienced slower and slower. If you travel at the speed of light, time stops. This was the starting point of all Einstein's thinking. This is one factor, speed.

"Another factor is, as we know, gravity. If you can engineer a very strong gravitational field, time also slows down, so to speak.

"That is one point of view if we think in terms of 4 dimensional space and time.

"But this type of analysis is based upon the belief that the space time structure is not too dramatically influenced by anything. If space time so to speak, undergoes "earthquakes," if there are dramatic changes in space time, we may have other strange effects because we may have timeless zones - we can have regions where time would not flow at all, and this is what Sakharov was speculating about. But, we don't really know what could be the cause of such changes in space time structure.

"And then, we can go beyond that to Kaluza-Klein theories in which we are adding other physical dimensions, and these other dimensions may be of space character, but they may also be of time character. And this was something that Ouspensky was contemplating. He believed that time is really three-dimensional; that there is our ordinary time, and that there is another time he called "eternity," and still another time.... So, if we look at it this way, we would have three space and three time dimensions, totaling 6, which fits into a geometric structure of a hexagon.

"What is the character of these extra dimensions. Cassiopaean's answered that the extra dimension is "time-like." Now, the point is, if this is so, then for soul or consciousness or being that lives and experiences all these dimensions, time is not linear; it is not a line; it is like a plane. On a line, you have an order. On a plane, there is no order. There is no way to determine what succeeds what. There is no linear order on a plane. So, from this point of view, our consciousness somehow collapses from the plane to the line and chooses something in a selective way from the plane and becomes only one dimensional, a line of some kind or another, and then there is an order, and still this line can be a loop or can be different lines that intersect.

"Moreover, if we have this multi-dimensional universe, it need not have a rigid structure like three dimensions for space and three for time. There may be regions where these dimensions divide in a different way. There may be regions where it is even hard to distinguish between what is space and what is time. And this structure, perhaps, is influenced by consciousness. And, that may be related to the concept of densities. So, different densities could mean different ways of structuring multi- dimensional space into space and time and whatever. Thus, the Ouspensky structuring - 3 + 3 - would correspond to our third density.

"Now, what else do we know from physics? Time, like space, is directly related to gravity. Gravity is a geometry of space and time. There is no time without gravity.

"One thing more about time: Time loops. First, physicists were very unhappy about time loops; they didn't want them. They made a rule that there should be no time loops. If you had time loops in your theory, your theory was "sick." But then, there was Godel who produced a solution of Einstein Field Equations which involved time loops, and so to say, the source of this looping was a rotating motion. So, if something rotates in a certain way, the thing being the universe itself, then time loops become possible. We can replace the term rotate with spin. The spinning motion can produce strange time effects.

"What happens when we have time loops? Well, if all the universe goes along just one time loop, this is one thing. But if different molecules of our body would choose to go through different time loops, things become chaotic. And physics does not know how to deal with it. So, what if these pictures of different molecules following different time loops have a Mandelbrot type structure? Time loops then means going through a repeating cycle. This may be related to a concept of rejuvenation. If you can cycle your molecules through time loops in a coherent way, maybe your body will not age.

"Back to Gurdjieff: according to his view, with which I tend to agree, and just using this as an analogy, in the beginning, or at 7th density, "God" created the universe which was closed; that is, in which everything would last forever: a perfect universe. But, somehow, this perfect universe proved to be a dying universe. And then, the only way to produce something that would not die, was to produce a universe that is open: a universe in which the future is open and can be shaped; in which even the creator, Himself, could not, so to say, see what would be the final result; a universe that became an experiment with an unknown result. We are part of this experiment. A final result does not imply an 'end' of the universe. Also, this open universe means a universe in which knowledge can be created. According to Gurdjieff, knowledge is a material thing and, at any given point of time, there is a finite amount of knowledge, and this knowledge is distributed to those who seek this knowledge. But Gurdjieff didn't look into the problem of how knowledge is created, so to say.

"I am now speculating about that. We, third density beings, can seek knowledge and use this knowledge, but we can't really create knowledge. To create knowledge, perhaps you must have a different kind of consciousness; you must be a higher density being. So, a higher density being can create knowledge, but cannot use it because using it involves time.

"We have this concept of macro and micro, and of course, we have no idea of what happens, how time is perceived, if at all, for consciousness at the level of atoms or molecules. So, maybe at that level, things go really crazy and only smoothes out when we view from a macro scale. This may be the case of the relation of 4th density to 3rd density. And thus, we have quantum theory with quantum jumps, and these quantum jumps are caused by this chaotic space time structure on a micro scale, while the chaotic space/time structure of 3rd density causes quantum jumps in 4th density.

"Think of a water wheel. It the water flowing over it looks pretty smooth and it moves with a smooth motion. But, if you try to follow the path of each water molecule, you will find that it is very turbulent. So, somehow all this turbulent motion, when looked at from a distance, when you zoom out, the turbulent motion of many, many different molecules, can appear as a single smooth event. When you see lightning, you see a big bolt of electricity. But, this lightning is composed of billions and billions of electric charges participating in an organized and turbulent motion.

"Roughly speaking, when lightning happens, you cannot reverse it. The little motion of each of these molecules can be reversed and put back. But, when they are organized into something that is orchestrated, and this is irreversible: a "tick" of time. I use the term lightening, but think of lightning that happens at a micro scale. Ticks of time, progress of time, is a kind of little lightning on the level of atoms or even below that which is somehow recorded in some kind of consciousness. So, time has permitted, or induced, or enclosed the "knowledge" of this lightning strike!

"But, the point is, of course, that this knowledge need not be direct, because there are causes of causes of causes of causes etc, and when we become aware of the last link in a chain, the chain becomes "solidified" or materialized just as, at the final moment of condensation, the rain cloud becomes a "rain" cloud and not just a mass of vapors that will dissipate without producing rain.

"From another perspective: Time is, so to speak, a number of events at any given point of space. Time progresses when a number of events progress. What are events? Events are related to quantum jumps. There are big ones and small ones. Big ones we can see with our eyes or record with our instruments. But there are also small ones that occur on a micro scale that we are not aware of with our consciousness, but which may be discerned by another consciousness, which extends to the micro region, which is aware of that region, and by being aware it participates in these events and in this progression of time. From this point of view, the structure of time on a micro scale can be very chaotic because the number of events can vary drastically from place to place. But, again, the very concept of "place," for a point of space, is not clear. What is space, what are points in space, what are places is yet to be understood." [Jadczyk, 1999]

All of the above was extracted from our webpages which only demonstrates how thorougly "Dr. Delgado" must have been perusing them. Now, regarding "Dr. Delgado's" remark:

"Ahhh Yes! Well, until that fateful day when we all revert back to the primordial soup - which we all so desperately yearn for in our secret souls..."

I would like to point out a most interesting comparison found here, on the Cassiopaean website, on a page entitled: "Stalking," where it says in part:

In other words: the negative hierarchy is a pyramidal food chain... the apex of the pyramid is comprised of the most persistent of the negative graduates, the one who has stuck it out against every evidence of diminishment, and is the ultimate example of "wishful thinking."

Clearly, "Dr. Delgado" must think that he is somewhere near the top of this foodchain, judging by his published remarks.

This "Ultimate Wishful Thinking" means that they/it cannot SEE that they do not become God by assimilation and control of other selves... but that the real result is a gradual compaction and implosion and dissolution into primal matter and NON-being.

Well, it seems that, by saying that he is desperately yearning to revert back to the primordial soup, Dr. Delgado DOES have some awareness of his path...

...Exactly one half [of creation] joyfully seeks life and creation and play and exploration... a sort of "love of adventure."

The other half expresses a fundamental fear of "losing self" in this play and exploration. This causes it to recoil upon itself and this establishes the "tension" of polarization which is the stuff of which the cosmos is constructed..

I rather think that yearning to revert back to the primordial soup is a clear expression of this "fear of losing self."

...The other [STS] sees only SELF and seeks to appropriate all others to Self to restore equilibrium... to "go back to the Cosmic Sleep of Oneness," so to speak.

i.e., desperately yearning to revert back to the primordial soup.

One analogy would be the difference between a free and adventurous child that is full of the sense of adventure as opposed to a child that wishes to "own the mother" and cling to her and incorporate her to himself; i.e. Jealousy.

The "Darkness" is, in fact,a State of Consciousness that has existed from the very beginning of individuation and which COVETS ATTENTION FOR ITSELF ALONE.

This consciousness hates, fears and deeply distrusts Creation, and just wants to effectively "roll over and go back to sleep" in eternal union with the "mother/father."

...Negative consciousness is the SELFness of creation - the gravity that draws all that exists back to itself. It is the aspect of the ONE involved in contemplation and rejection of creativity in its own heart, frozen in that moment of "vertigo" experienced at the outrush of creative energy.

And clearly, this vertigo is a very uncomfortable condition in which to live. I suppose that explains why such a person desperately wants to revert to the primordial soup!

...So, the bottom line is: this other "half" of the All, born along with the Creative upsurge, becomes focused on actualizing its own impulse - to undo creation - for it realizes that only then can it be at "peace."

And here we have the problem. Such individuals not only desperately long to revert to the primordial soup, they want to take everyone else with them! And, in their mode of wishful thinking, they convince themselves that everyone else, in their "heart of hearts," wants the same thing!

The only way it can achieve that ideal narcissistic withdrawal into itself in infinite Self-contemplation is through reclaiming all Attentiion and consciousness that is, in effect, "borrowed against" the inconceivable magnitude of Consciousness in Cosmic Sleep.

Darkness becomes, in effect, an incurable insomniac!!!

The consciousness of STS/Darkness feels that it must tear apart the creative fabric of existence thereby liberating those units of energy involved in the creative functions, and "swallow" them back into itself, erasing their differential properties and powers so as to restore the One AS ONE.

Itself. Or so it believes.

However, this is not clearly seen at the lower densities until the masks are stripped away. The deepest implications of this are hidden by many veils... And even the 4th and 5th density participants do not necessarily comprehend this ultimate dissolution.

But "Dr. Delgado" DOES comprehend. He is CONSCIOUS.

Sort of the "Ultimate Light Eater" preaching the gospel of Devolution as "Salvation."

And, apparently, one of the prophets of the Gospel of Devolution is "Dr. Jose Delgado," wishfully thinking that he, and the rest of humanity are merely "gobs and gobs of living humanoidal tissue cultures in search of a little bedtime story."







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