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Ayurvedic Golden Milk
« on: February 17, 2017, 09:47:50 AM »
I was tasting this recipe since I've discovered a industrial made bottle of the "golden milk" in an organic market.

Turmeric is poorly absorbed by the body, like all vegetables and roots, so the ayurvedic tradition discovered a "milk" to harvest the full power of this golden root.

It goes like this :

Preparation :
  • Turmeric powder
  • Black pepper
  • Fat
  • Vegetable milk
  • Water

Recipe :
Pour in a pan as much as turmeric powder you want and add as much as water. Heat slowly the mix in order to get a smooth paste. Add one tablespoon of fat and let it melt slowly in the turmeric water. Then add a tablespoon of grinded black pepper, not too much. Pour the preparation in a bottle and complete with the vegetable milk of your choice.

Tips :
  • The pepper is said to be necessary for the proper absorption of the turmeric powder.
  • For the fat you can use cacao butter or coconut oil, but I prefer butter or animal fat, it removes the hardenessing of the fat when you store it in the fridge.
  • The most tasty milk and the most beneficial is the coconut milk, but you can drink with rice or oat milk if you tolerate it.
  • Drink a sip daily, it's considered like a cure to enhance the body detoxification and it's very nourishing.
  • The one I bought in the organic shop was made with added mint extract, orange juice instead of vegetable milk, and cold pressed olive and sunflower oil for the fat. There's also several kind of turmeric to be tried.
  • Try to not drink all of the bottle in one time, because it tastes so good your body can be reacting with too much turmeric, and not digest as fully as it can.

Enjoy and make your own adjustments !

Links :
_http://svasthaayurveda.com/golden-milk-recipe/
_http://www.bestherbalhealth.com/turmeric-golden-milk-the-healing-magic-of-ayurveda/
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 10:09:39 AM by Nico »
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Re: Ayurvedic Golden Milk
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 05:05:32 PM »
Beware!  I was drinking something like this awhile back, to help with joint inflamation.  At first, it seemed miraculous.  What I discovered though, is the pepper wasn't agreeing with me.  What the pepper actually does is clog the liver to give the turmeric more time to be absorbed, so I think that was why I was having some bad pains in that area, and had to stop drinking it.  Since then I discovered others also have had similar issue.  (Perhaps only a problem if too much taken, or other issues with liver too?)
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Re: Ayurvedic Golden Milk
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 05:17:04 PM »
Turmeric is definitely a strong detoxifier from my experience. It should be started very slowly or you will get strong reactions from it.

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 08:16:19 PM »
Beware!  I was drinking something like this awhile back, to help with joint inflamation.  At first, it seemed miraculous.  What I discovered though, is the pepper wasn't agreeing with me.  What the pepper actually does is clog the liver to give the turmeric more time to be absorbed, so I think that was why I was having some bad pains in that area, and had to stop drinking it.  Since then I discovered others also have had similar issue.  (Perhaps only a problem if too much taken, or other issues with liver too?)

I used to put turmeric and pepper in my morning coffee but then I came across the information cindyj mentioned, that it clogs the liver and that's what is responsible for it's famous 1000x increased absorption.

I guess caution is required when supplementing turmeric, especially if someone is also concerned about their liver health. Our bodies rely heavily on liver for detox so it's worth looking into both benefits but also risks of turmeric and pepper. I see news about the benefits of turmeric and pepper popping up all over the place but on closer inspection the picture seems to be a bit more complex.

Turmeric is also linked to increased risk of kidney stones due to its oxalate content. There's a whole thread on here about the risk of oxalates called "The Role of Oxalates in Autism and Chronic Disorders": https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18824.msg195182.html#msg195182

Additionally, here's an excerpt on a study done on turmeric and cinnamon in relation to oxalates:
_http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/87/5/1262.full

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Results:
Compared with the cinnamon and control treatments, turmeric ingestion led to a significantly higher urinary oxalate excretion during the oxalate load tests. There were no significant changes in fasting plasma glucose or lipids in conjunction with the 4-wk periods of either cinnamon or turmeric supplementation.

Conclusions: The percentage of oxalate that was water soluble differed markedly between cinnamon (6%) and turmeric (91%), which appeared to be the primary cause of the greater urinary oxalate excretion/oxalate absorption from turmeric. The consumption of supplemental doses of turmeric, but not cinnamon, can significantly increase urinary oxalate levels, thereby increasing risk of kidney stone formation in susceptible individuals.

I guess there's a question of what makes an individual susceptible. Personally I'm overly protective of my liver but it might be just me and my specific health conditions I'm working though.



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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 10:10:15 PM »
Beware!  I was drinking something like this awhile back, to help with joint inflamation.  At first, it seemed miraculous.  What I discovered though, is the pepper wasn't agreeing with me.  What the pepper actually does is clog the liver to give the turmeric more time to be absorbed, so I think that was why I was having some bad pains in that area, and had to stop drinking it.  Since then I discovered others also have had similar issue.  (Perhaps only a problem if too much taken, or other issues with liver too?)

I used to put turmeric and pepper in my morning coffee but then I came across the information cindyj mentioned, that it clogs the liver and that's what is responsible for it's famous 1000x increased absorption.

I guess caution is required when supplementing turmeric, especially if someone is also concerned about their liver health. Our bodies rely heavily on liver for detox so it's worth looking into both benefits but also risks of turmeric and pepper. I see news about the benefits of turmeric and pepper popping up all over the place but on closer inspection the picture seems to be a bit more complex.

Turmeric is also linked to increased risk of kidney stones due to its oxalate content. There's a whole thread on here about the risk of oxalates called "The Role of Oxalates in Autism and Chronic Disorders": https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18824.msg195182.html#msg195182

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Thanks for posting this, I had read up quite a bit about turmeric, but had not see this wrinkle before.

I do keep in the back of my mind that 'they' really don't want you using any type of herbal or natural remedies. So a lot of studies could be slanted to scare you away. I use it occasionally anyway. I find if I do it too much, the detoxing becomes pretty intense.

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 10:06:00 AM »
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Thanks for posting this, I had read up quite a bit about turmeric, but had not see this wrinkle before.

I do keep in the back of my mind that 'they' really don't want you using any type of herbal or natural remedies. So a lot of studies could be slanted to scare you away. I use it occasionally anyway. I find if I do it too much, the detoxing becomes pretty intense.

Hello H2O good point about research being slanted actually. My approach usually is that if a natural remedy is all over the mainstream health news, it's probably worth taking a closer look at before trying it as it may be rubbish. That said, I've been taking iodine almost daily for over a year now and it's done wonders for me, whilst it is slowly making its way into the mainstream knowledge too. So maybe I shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater on turmeric either.

I used to take quite high doses of turmeric and I remember regularly having lower back pain at that time. I put it down to other issues I was working through but when I looked into oxalates I got scared I was going to sort myself out for kidney stones. Maybe it was a detox response because the dosage was too high.

Well, I guess moderation is the key  :)


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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2017, 06:02:09 AM »
I guess caution is required when supplementing turmeric, especially if someone is also concerned about their liver health. Our bodies rely heavily on liver for detox so it's worth looking into both benefits but also risks of turmeric and pepper. I see news about the benefits of turmeric and pepper popping up all over the place but on closer inspection the picture seems to be a bit more complex.

Turmeric is also linked to increased risk of kidney stones due to its oxalate content. There's a whole thread on here about the risk of oxalates called "The Role of Oxalates in Autism and Chronic Disorders": https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18824.msg195182.html#msg195182

Thanks for that. I sometimes get into the habit of trying something and continuing to use it indefinitely. I've been putting turmeric and black pepper in most of my meals for at least 1.5 years now. I'll lay off of them for a while and see how it goes.

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2017, 12:48:22 PM »
I guess caution is required when supplementing turmeric, especially if someone is also concerned about their liver health. Our bodies rely heavily on liver for detox so it's worth looking into both benefits but also risks of turmeric and pepper. I see news about the benefits of turmeric and pepper popping up all over the place but on closer inspection the picture seems to be a bit more complex.

Turmeric is also linked to increased risk of kidney stones due to its oxalate content. There's a whole thread on here about the risk of oxalates called "The Role of Oxalates in Autism and Chronic Disorders": https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18824.msg195182.html#msg195182

Thanks for that. I sometimes get into the habit of trying something and continuing to use it indefinitely. I've been putting turmeric and black pepper in most of my meals for at least 1.5 years now. I'll lay off of them for a while and see how it goes.


Same here for trying something and then continuing to use it 3D Student  :)

As for the Ayurvedic Golden Milk I actually do think this is a useful little beverage with tons of benefits, except that I don’t think it’s good for everyone. Ayurvedic medicine originates in India and I maybe it helps people of that ethnic background more than other ethnicities. I tried a number of Ayurvedic medicines and recommendations before and although some of them were brilliant, others resulted in more damage than benefit.

I think the genetic make-up largely determines what issues someone is susceptible to and what therapies and substances they will be responsive to as certain ethnicities suffer from issues others don’t. Just to illustrate it with an example, I was recently diagnosed with Leiden V Factor mutation (which increases risk of blood clots) that occurs quite frequently in caucasians, usually of Eastern European and Mediterranean backgrounds, whilst it’s practically non-existent in non-Caucasians such as Africans, Asians, and Eskimos. Since turmeric has blood thinning properties I should actually benefit from it. Yet I don’t think I do so there may be other genetic/health factors at play I am not yet are of.

I did a bit of research into kidney stones and it doesn’t look like the ratios are particularly sky rocketing in India, despite turmeric being a widely used spice over there. Maybe people of Indian background have a genetic make-up that allows them to benefit from turmeric without suffering side effects?

It may be a far shot but what actually gave me the idea that turmeric may be beneficial for some people more than others was an exchange I remembered from the iodine thread, that the soul make up determines how the body will respond to different minerals, foods etc. It talks about completely different substances but the idea behind it seems to be the same. The quote starts with a post written after Laura received hard metal tests results for her and her children:

I tell ya, when I saw those results, I was just flabbergasted.  For several days I looked at them again and again and went back in my mind over everything in my kid's past to see if I could find anything different.  It just wasn't there.  So the only thing that seems to explain it is that, even if they are genetically closest to each other than they are to me, these genetics are still sufficiently different to be the difference that makes the difference!  It's just wild to see how different people can be even if they are close kin!

Actually, when I read your previous post, I was thinking that the difference in the bodies is already a consequence rather than a cause. I suspect it's the consciousness that's different in the first place and has a much bigger influence on the body than we usually think.

If you made two identical cloned bodies and incarnated two different souls in them (let's not worry about how for now), I think the consciousness of each of them would soon change the body in all kinds of ways, and a few years down the line, the bodies could be very different, with different problems, even if they lived in the same environment and did the same things.

Your general attitude, approach to life, optimism/pessimism, whether you're systematic or random, forget about problems easily or dwell on them long, hoard things or get rid of them easily... I think all of that might have an influence, possibly large, on how the body works.

There’s also Gaby’s post:
(...)
Mercury gives a lot of problems, practically everything in existence. But in some people it is more related to arthritis, in others it is more related to neurological problems including brain fog and ADHD and so forth. An "etheric" susceptibility might be involved, other than the genetic one.
(...)

PS.: I hope I’m not adding noise by cross-referencing other threads to illustrate my point here. I also hope I haven’t gone entirely off topic. The fact that I see the link between the above posts and my point doesn’t mean it’s objectively there ;) Please do let me know if this is not encouraged on here and I’ll stick to one thread at a time.

Also, I understand this is a research forum rather than a discussion board and I wouldn’t like to post unverified information here. So here are links to info on Leiden V mutation occurance in different populations: http://clinchem.aaccjnls.org/content/46/1/134 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9271712
 

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Re: Ayurvedic Golden Milk
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2017, 11:11:07 AM »
A great thank Ant22,
I've just posted this in the hemochromatosis thread :
 
A friend of mine, which study osteopathy asked his teacher about iodine and he said that studies about supplemental iodine after tchernobyl made some people hypothyroid and under medication for the rest of their life. I haven't yet research and came across such a point but my readings continue.

Which is not verified and not about hemochromatosis, so get me also on the right track if I'm deviating too much...
I really don't know how our ancestors were doing without all these researches to get all the truth out of our genes and interactions with their environment, even if there were not as much toxicity as now. Sometimes I think that "truth" can't be so complicated as those study seems to show  :nuts:.
And the quote above make me think of a slanted study, based on what I'm learning about iodine.

I've drinked Golden Milk just two time, two bottles of 500 mL in a week, because it was so tasty, but unlike you guys I'm not encline to continue it indefinitely. Thanks to you, I know pepper might not help in the long run my gallbladder/liver area, where there's my main health concern (since I've changed my diet and began detoxifying).
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2017, 08:40:34 PM »
A great thank Ant22,
I've just posted this in the hemochromatosis thread :
 
A friend of mine, which study osteopathy asked his teacher about iodine and he said that studies about supplemental iodine after tchernobyl made some people hypothyroid and under medication for the rest of their life. I haven't yet research and came across such a point but my readings continue.

Which is not verified and not about hemochromatosis, so get me also on the right track if I'm deviating too much...
I really don't know how our ancestors were doing without all these researches to get all the truth out of our genes and interactions with their environment, even if there were not as much toxicity as now. Sometimes I think that "truth" can't be so complicated as those study seems to show  :nuts:.
And the quote above make me think of a slanted study, based on what I'm learning about iodine.

I've drinked Golden Milk just two time, two bottles of 500 mL in a week, because it was so tasty, but unlike you guys I'm not encline to continue it indefinitely. Thanks to you, I know pepper might not help in the long run my gallbladder/liver area, where there's my main health concern (since I've changed my diet and began detoxifying).

Hi Nico, I did see your post in the other thread and it had some really useful information in it. As for your friend's info on iodine, osteopaths are not known to be specialists in thyroid issues so I'd double check his sources :)

As for me, well, I am going to swear by iodine. I tend to trust my own experience more than studies and iodine has done wonders for me so far. I think you're right that your friend might have quoted a slanted study: you don't know that teacher at all and as you said, you yourself have found information that contradicts this already.

Whenever someone quotes a study to me I always ask them to send me a link or some more info I can verify for myself. Then I ask them if they know who paid for the study. Because in our current economic system somebody must have. And then I persistently ask for that link and info.

I rarely get people approaching me more than once with "generally known wisdom" as a means of convincing me of something because they know I'll go after that piece of info like a puppy after a bone. Sometimes I get "well duh, everyone knows this" to which I reply, well, everyone used to know asbestos was safe and then boom, look what happened.

People throw "studies show" around all the time and most of the time it's either not verified or they just misinterpreted the results. Or the author of the article that quoted the study misinterpreted the results (either by accident or on purpose).

Also, I think the Golden Milk would be fine in moderation, especially if you skip pepper to avoid putting too much pressure on the liver. In fact, I do add a little turmeric to my food but not a lot. I think moderation is the key really  :)

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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 10:32:56 AM »
Actually it was an endocrinologist teacher, so an 'expert' in hormonal science, which is certainly not a guarantee of truth at all, but it tickle me nonetheless, I think it was just a reaction upon the worriness express by my friend because he knows I take iodine, and he assumes I'm a thyroid hormonal type (there is a big field of science behind), so I should care for my thyroid. I usually listen carefully, and I ask questions next, so when he answered that it did not know what type of Iodine was used after tchernobyl I began to doubt, I would guess that was SSKI and I know it can be detrimental at high dose because of potassium iodide alone...

It's not the first time he quotes his teachers in front of me, because he's curious and well informed, but even if there is a little calling into question about what "teacher" said, there's this tendency to believe the elder because they are expert. And I won't talk about what it told me about all the business made around private school such as ostheo ones, aha !

Considering Golden Milk, I usually get runny nose with such things as pepper and spices, so it might get my body inflammed. I realize that the only ingredient that tasted wonderful, was... the milk ! This wholeness and roundness of the thick viscous fluid gently refreshing the throat was what make me fond of it :P. But as our pilgrimage toward consciouness grows, ritual and automatic behavior should be discarded, so if the pepper and turmeric have a role, maybe they have some value in a proper recipe, carefully measured and mindfully prepared.

Take care of the liver emotionnaly and mentally too, I discovered empty new spaces within which is linked with the belly back and front, I think it made also be linked to the alchemist egg and its belt.
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