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Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Iconoclast on December 29, 2006, 12:29:33 PM
my dad is a classic car freak and owns an alfa romeo. over the christmas holidays i was again reminded of the weirdness of their logo - it depicts (besides a (temlar) cross) a serpent devouring a man, so i thought i'd post it here.

(https://img159.imagevenue.com/loc382/th_91023_600px_Alfa_Romeo_122_382lo.jpg) (http://img159.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91023_600px_Alfa_Romeo_122_382lo.jpg)

a quick google search yielded this
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The logo is split in half and contains the emblems of Alfa's hometown Milan and the one of the great Milanese 'Visconti' family.

On the left is the red cross on a white background, which refers back to the days of the First Crusade, when many Milanese soldiers were amongst the Lombards who followed Giovanni of Rho to the Holy Land. The red cross was their symbol, whilst the white background symbolised the white shirts they were forced to wear under their armour to protect them from the fierce Palestinian sun.

On the right of the badge are the arms of the Visconti family, which later became recognised as those of the City of Milan.

There are several stories on were the serpent came from. Some says it represents the snakes that the Lombards used to wear round their necks in a little case as a lucky charm, - or the dragon which, at the start of the fifth century, plagued Milan and was finally killed by Uberto, Squire of Angera, and founder of the Visconti family, - or it could be the symbol of Ottone Visconti who fought a victorious duel with the Saracen leader, Voluce, during the First Crusade. The city of Milan, however, claims that the serpent has nothing to do with the Visconti family.

What's certain, though, is that the Visconti family emblazoned its red cross and serpent coat of arms over the great door of Castello Sforzesco in Milan - and this is where the Alfa Romeo association begins.
http://www.homdrum.net/alfa/alfahistory_logo.html

here is the visconti coat of arms (from wikipedia)
(https://img168.imagevenue.com/loc426/th_90823_Stemmavisconti_122_426lo.jpg) (http://img168.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=90823_Stemmavisconti_122_426lo.jpg)
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The House of Visconti was a noble family whose effectual founder, Oddone, wrested control of the city of Milan from the rival Della Torre family in 1277. The Visconti ruled Milan during the Middle Ages and the early renaissance, first as Lords of Milan, then, from 1395 as Dukes. The Visconti rule of Milan ended with the death of Filippo Maria Visconti in 1447. He was succeeded, after a short-lived republic, by his son-in-law Francesco I Sforza.

From Uberto, brother of Matteo I, came the lateral branch of dukes of Modrone; to this family belonged Luchino Visconti, one of the most prominent film directors of Italian neorealist cinema.
the whole imagery also reminds me of the numerous legends about dragons and dragonslaying - has the SOTT team ever written anything about this matter? i'd be interested to know more about this subject. (the town of my birth has a huge stone dragon as the town's landmark)
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Johnno on January 05, 2007, 09:20:15 AM
I'm working on this, honestly I am....both as an ex Alfa owner and from some other symbols involving serpents and men/women.

Should have something up by Sunday morning.
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Johnno on January 07, 2007, 03:10:02 AM
I had two Alfa a Alfasud and a 33. The above badges were constantly getting souveneired by I suspect kids for their collections. They were expensive to replace, the local Alfa dealer doing a roaring trade in Alfa Romeo badges.

The Serpent and the man is interesting to say the least.

Now the serpent could be eating the man or spitting him out depending on your perspective and your alignment. The serpent represents the "predators" mind (if you're into Castaneda) or "it" or the personality or the subjective conscious mind if your into Gurdjieff.

The little man or man is the real "I", the subconscious or objective conscience if you're into Gurdjieff. I'm not sure what Castenada calls this part of the split psyche. In any case, it appears the little guy is at odds with the slumbering monster that controls him.

As an aside I'd say STS would let the "it" become completely crystallized whereas STO would attempt to awaken the "little man" and crystallize that. Objective conscience is such a burden for those in the STS world.

The serpent/dragon/slithery thing and man symbol can be seen in symbolism in a variety of locations which I've included.  These mostly were tied into Christian iconagraphy so they could get past the "censors" of the time.  The various "vices" of apostles and Jesus himself can be seen as being "tramped down"and overcome.
Other serpent symbols even made it from Greek times such as Hermes Caduceus and the snaky tressed Gorgon that Perseus killed.

Some photos are mine, others are ones I've collected from the internet and a scan.

The knight at the entrance of Notre Dame in Paris. This can be found in Fulcanelli's "Mystery of the Cathedrals" I'd scan the old version of the statue but I can't find my copy of the book. The below is a photo I took whilst in Paris. The original dragon was bigger and more menacing, this was a "restoration" sculpture of the knight (made in the early 1900's?) which Fulcanelli spends a quite of bit of time on, bemoaning the loss of the original.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=340568804&size=o

The book Atalanta Fugiens by Micahel Maier, this is more hermetic/alchemic than Christian but the symbology is basically the same.

http://hdelboy.club.fr/embleme_50.jpg

This one is interesting it's David versus Goliath on the northern portal of Chartres cathedral, note that Goliaths armour appears "scaly".

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=348401658&size=o

Various Apostles at the Chartres Nothern Portal, John the Baptist is standing on a dragon. Fourth one along holding an Agnus Dei shield.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=348401659&size=o

Jesus on the Chartres Southern portal standing on a lion and a dragon(?).

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?q1=FCSP324*;rgn1=chartres_fn;op2=not;q2=FCSP32402410*;rgn2=chartres_fn;op3=not;q3=FCSP32402420*;rgn3=chartres_fn;type=boolean;view=thumbnail;c=chartres

And in along a similar theme, a little man emerging from a stick, this was scanned from david Ovason's book The Zelator.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/the-open-mind/348409769/

And then there's my Avatar..... same theme; something feathered emerging from the scales. Found in the Auch Cathedral. Click the photo for an enlargement.

http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raid1/cdroms/webready/france/auch/cathedral/glass/P1010500.JPG
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Stargazer on January 07, 2007, 03:55:15 AM
Quote from: Johnno
The little man or man is the real "I", the subconscious or objective conscience if you're into Gurdjieff. I'm not sure what Castenada calls this part of the split psyche.
I finished reading "Tales of Power" over the Xmas break, and Castaneda spends most of the book describing Don Juan and Don Genaro's lessons about the "Tonal" (to-nahl), and the "Nagual" (na-wahl). I think these are Castaneda's versions of the "Personality" (Tonal) and "Essence" (Nagual). The Tonal is referred to as an "island" that needs to be cleaned or swept, and is the habitat of reason and logical mentality. The Nagual is considered to be "everything else" outside the island of the Tonal than is unknown and is capable of direct perception of the cosmos as it is, and also the performing of feats that seem like "sorcery" and "miracles" to the Tonal.

I wouldn't say the correlation is absolutely 1:1, but there is a majority "semantic overlap" between the two sets of concepts, OSIT. Well worth a read, and I think Laura is definitely on to something when she mentioned that Castaneda did a bit of "borrowing" from Gurdjieff.
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Ruth on January 07, 2007, 04:23:26 AM
In the first picture (Alpha Romea logo), I originally thought that somebody had stuck a sword into the poor unfortunate snakes mouth.  Kind of like 'slaying the dragon'.  

But, the second picture (the Visconti coat of arms) definately looks like a man half way in either snake or a dragon's mouth. I'm not sure if he is emerging or being devoured.  I'm wondering if there is any 'link' between the symbology of 'man' and 'sword'?  Could they be used interchangeably?  ie. Man can be used as a sword to kill a dragon.
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Johnno on January 07, 2007, 04:27:00 AM
Is "Tales of Power" any good? I was trying to recall our conversation about which were the better of Castaneda's books. I picked up "The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui way of knowledge." which I STILL can't get into....it may be a dud....it does have some gems in there. Too much mescal, oxalis and various other halucigenics , like a "saintly" Hunter S Thompson deal IMHO. There again I found Beelzebub's Tales throwing me into "mind swarm' until I started reading it properly.

Anyway in realization of my shortcomings of things Castaneda, I've posted the list of books the QFS came up with, stickied it as well to remind myself and others.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4718
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Johnno on January 07, 2007, 04:31:24 AM
Quote from: Ruth
In the first picture (Alpha Romea logo), I originally thought that somebody had stuck a sword into the poor unfortunate snakes mouth.  Kind of like 'slaying the dragon'.  

But, the second picture (the Visconti coat of arms) definately looks like a man half way in either snake or a dragon's mouth. I'm not sure if he is emerging or being devoured.  I'm wondering if there is any 'link' between the symbology of 'man' and 'sword'?  Could they be used interchangeably?  ie. Man can be used as a sword to kill a dragon.
The original Alfa Romeo logo was like these

http://www.alfaclub.org.au/images/badge.htm

before being stylized in 1972. I thought it was a flame before finding out it was a man.
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Guest on January 07, 2007, 04:50:32 AM
I found "The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui way of knowledge."  to be the least interesting book of Castaneda's work. It motly consists of various rituals and herbal preperations. "The Art of Dreaming" I find particularly interesting. "A Seperate Reality" and "Journey to Ixlan" are also quite good.

  I like the take on the Serpent spitting out the man in question. However, the arms of the man are raised up, almost in horror, as if he is being devoured. The serpent symbol always gives me the willies, and I have been 'tipped off' several times whenever I encounter it in strange circumstances.
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Stargazer on January 07, 2007, 05:06:54 AM
Quote from: Johnno
Is "Tales of Power" any good?
Yep, quite good, although the "cliffhanger" ending is overly melodramatic and I suspect Castaneda might have begun to consider the Don Juan books a bit of a "gravy train" at that point.

Quote from: Johnno
I was trying to recall our conversation about which were the better of Castaneda's books. I picked up "The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui way of knowledge." which I STILL can't get into....it may be a dud....it does have some gems in there. Too much mescal, oxalis and various other halucigenics , like a "saintly" Hunter S Thompson deal IMHO. There again I found Beelzebub's Tales throwing me into "mind swarm' until I started reading it properly.
I found "The Teachings of Don Juan" to be an interesting story, but too much about "phenomena" - the drug stuff really detracts from things. I guess it is the first book though, and was first published in the sixties. I think the interested reader could pretty much start from the third book - "Journey to Ixtlan" and go from there. Castaneda fills in enough of the back story and leaves out all the drug stuff, focusing more on the "shocks" that Don Juan was using to try and wake him up - a la Gurdjieff. The first few chapters of JtI reminded me quite a lot of some of the dialogues with Gurdjieff written down by his various students - they have that blunt, slightly mocking quality intended to break down buffers and self-importance.

Anyway, this is a bit off-topic, so I'll leave it at that.
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: dantem on January 07, 2007, 11:33:53 PM
Wow, thanks for that, I'm also an Alfa owner!

I've noticed that flame was quite odd, and I've said once that it was "like a little man", quite horrible.

The araldic symbol of the Serpent eating the man is generally called here "Il Biscione antropofago" or "The man-eating Serpent". But someone says that the Serpent, being a symbol of Earth and Fertility, can be likely generating a man, in this case... but no one really knows, and the symbol may be of Arabic-Oriental origin.

The guy's here has a peaceful face ;-) From a Milan's wall:

http://digilander.libero.it/Boromir/biscione.html (http://digilander.libero.it/Boromir/biscione.html)
Title: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Joseph Edward Garnet Man on January 08, 2007, 02:33:25 AM
one could see the alfa symbol at the top as a warning to respect "the beast" (beast being the motor)as one would respect the cross. Do not cross the crowned majestic serpent when you are sat in it's mouth!( or driving seat!)

Further thinking on the name Alpha...linking to Adam and his old snaky connections. Or even suggesting the tragic machismo in shakepeare's  Romeo and Juliet. Alpha male (Romeo meets his (("tragic")) death in love for his juliet ((car!!)). It all sings of male justification for the glorifying of a car using heraldic symbolism to give meaning to a machine.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 26, 2013, 08:23:43 PM
Okay - long shot here maybe, but....is it possible that it is not a man at all, but a tuning fork type apparatus . See attached. Also see attached crop circle for same general idea.
 
 
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 27, 2013, 07:57:31 AM
FWIW, a search of images for " plasma discharge tuning fork" gives the attached.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Yozilla on November 27, 2013, 05:12:18 PM
Tnx Cyndi!

Somehow those pictures remind me of that "rotating" Irish dancers with one hand and knee up - like they are imitating the shape of chalice ...oooor -maybe i'm seeing chalices everywhere lately :-[

I also used to drive Alfa Romeo car (il cuore sportivo!!! :perfect:) and, in fact had other nickname in mind when registering on this forum: Alfa Loser - quite contradictory construction ha?  :cool:
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 27, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
Tnx Cyndi!

Somehow those pictures remind me of that "rotating" Irish dancers with one hand and knee up - like they are imitating the shape of chalice ...oooor -maybe i'm seeing chalices everywhere lately :-[

I also used to drive Alfa Romeo car (il cuore sportivo!!! :perfect: ) and, in fact had other nickname in mind when registering on this forum: Alfa Loser - quite contradictory construction ha?  :cool:


Thanks Yozilla. Interesting,now that you mention it on the dancers. I see what you mean. They werea " bloodline" which also ties into the research I have been doing on this symbol in relation to the crop circle above. Also ties in with the chalice.  I've been working with that for a while - see profile pic.




See attached - Saint John Serpent in Chalice, and also the mitochondian which fits here with theme and shape as well. 
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 27, 2013, 06:32:57 PM
Oops- forgot The Serpent Chalice,
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 28, 2013, 01:58:54 AM

Tnx Cyndi!

Somehow those pictures remind me of that "rotating" Irish dancers with one hand and knee up - like they are imitating the shape of chalice ...oooor -maybe i'm seeing chalices everywhere lately :-[

I also used to drive Alfa Romeo car (il cuore sportivo!!! :perfect: ) and, in fact had other nickname in mind when registering on this forum: Alfa Loser - quite contradictory construction ha?  :cool:

Yozilla, I went looking further into the Maruts, and did not find a whole lot. The dances discussed here  I have not really gotten into too deeply, as I can barely keep up with all the other reading /learning/digesting of information. It has been  sitting " on the shelf". I did ,however, find good bit on the Mumming plays which ARE related to the Maruts and the grail stories. The red cross and sword are everywhere. Also, look at these hats attached. It reminds me of the "snake head" in the crop circle here. Also the "crown of thorns" which goes back to Fulcanelli.  See thread here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,5618.msg41946.html#msg41946 (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,5618.msg41946.html#msg41946)

At any rate, given we are in the Holiday season, there are many you tube Mumming Plays for those who like me have not seen one yet. So much to learn so little time!
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Yozilla on November 28, 2013, 04:56:13 PM
Thanks Cindy for link...

Those azure orbs are very similar to two orbs on picture of tuning/rotating fork/dancer (?) - and his "head" reminds me of matrass... just some irrelevant associations  :huh:

PS

...maybe those orbs could be the ones from 4th density seen when The Crew and Laura were dancing around fire on that party in the castle garden  :dance:

 :bye:
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 29, 2013, 07:08:49 AM

Thanks Cindy for link...

Those azure orbs are very similar to two orbs on picture of tuning/rotating fork/dancer (?) - and his "head" reminds me of matrass... just some irrelevant associations  :huh:

PS

...maybe those orbs could be the ones from 4th density seen when The Crew and Laura were dancing around fire on that party in the castle garden  :dance:

 :bye:

Well, I think it is for sure in right direction. I went and found the book From Ritual to Romance about the grail - _http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/frr/ (http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/frr/)
I have been going off of Laura's writing on a lot of things and not gotten around to digging myself- so so much stuff. I'm very visual so I've started to try and "see" images of things to solidify concepts for myself, which helps. Now what is interesting is that the book references the "Nassenes" https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17124.0 (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17124.0) 

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"[...]one of the Gnostic communities stood out: the Naassenes, so named, according to Hippolytus because they "presumed to celebrate a serpent".  The bishop derived the name from naas, which, he tells us, is the Hebrew word for "snake" or "serpent."  This was an error on his part.  The actual Hebrew word for snake is nahash.  The Naassenes were more generally known as Ophites, from ophis, the Greek word for "serpent".


Also, after reading the book, I notice too that Alpha Romeo is Prime or First Lover of Women ( female creative force?) loosely translated. I wish I had all day every day to dig and look. One thing I know for sure if one is missing any depth of concept it is hard to proceed or one is forever backtracking filling in the gaps. Sword dancers are referenced in there as well. Also just bought the Naassenne book so will be spending my whole weekend off reading I guess.  :)

Added- to be fair, since there are two streams of the grail stories, romeo could also be taken in the star crossed lover or "love em and leave em"manner as well in translation in relation to first love of the the feminine principle - again loosly translated.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 29, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
The Naassenes also connect to the Scythians who also are connected to the grail hallows:


http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2266.0 (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2266.0) for info on Scythians




Also see the excerpt below from "Dragons, Serpents, and Slayers in the Classical and early Christian Worlds".



http://books.google.com/books?id=Vv0Fxm6Amh4C&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=naassenes+scythians&source=bl&ots=us1AR3pIO0&sig=k5UM7Gzuvc6d3ZuIncysoQMt_CQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G8OYUpLvLuys2AXfnYCIAg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=naassenes%20scythians&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=Vv0Fxm6Amh4C&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=naassenes+scythians&source=bl&ots=us1AR3pIO0&sig=k5UM7Gzuvc6d3ZuIncysoQMt_CQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G8OYUpLvLuys2AXfnYCIAg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=naassenes%20scythians&f=false)   for the connection of Scthians and Naassenes.




The reference from the excerpt in regards to gaining immunity to snake bite by kissing the snake is hilarious to me as a former "woman who loves psychopaths"  :P
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 30, 2013, 03:43:57 AM
Well this has been a loop. The Scythians led me to the Mongols. See attached picture.


http://cassiopaea.org/category/volumes/jupiter-nostradamus-edgar-cayce-and-the-return-of-the-mongols/ (http://cassiopaea.org/category/volumes/jupiter-nostradamus-edgar-cayce-and-the-return-of-the-mongols/)


That led me back to the  Mongul series that Laura wrote which also discusses mitochondrial DNA. Sure does make more sense now than when I read it several years ago .


http://cassiopaea.org/category/volumes/jupiter-nostradamus-edgar-cayce-and-the-return-of-the-mongols/ (http://cassiopaea.org/category/volumes/jupiter-nostradamus-edgar-cayce-and-the-return-of-the-mongols/)


That of course also would connect to The Thirteenth Tribe -http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,2271.msg14327.html#msg14327 (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,2271.msg14327.html#msg14327)


What started all of this was a video on the recent gamma ray burst and the way it looked like the crop circle , which also connects to the serpent mound in Ohio. See link:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31265.msg456397.html#msg456397 (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31265.msg456397.html#msg456397)




Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on November 30, 2013, 04:30:20 AM
We also have the Tribe of Dan who is connected to the snake and the ark -one of their crests attached.


An image search shows them being also connected to the eagle and the unicorn. Saint John with the serpent grail is also know by the sign of the eagle too. Dan- makes me think of Tuaatha de Daanan and their association with the grail hallows. Also Danu- liked to Cassiopaea.


https://www.google.com/search?q=tribe+of+dan&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fVmZUpu1I7GA2QWb0oCYBA&ved=0CFMQsAQ&biw=1356&bih=698 (https://www.google.com/search?q=tribe+of+dan&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fVmZUpu1I7GA2QWb0oCYBA&ved=0CFMQsAQ&biw=1356&bih=698)
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Yozilla on December 03, 2013, 11:50:07 PM

Also, look at these hats attached. It reminds me of the "snake head" in the crop circle here. Also the "crown of thorns" which goes back to Fulcanelli.  See thread here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,5618.msg41946.html#msg41946 (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,5618.msg41946.html#msg41946)


This stained glass (?) i remembered while reading article:

_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/01/behind-the-bush-aleister-crowley-yeats-the-anti-christ-armageddon-6

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In Qabalism there are 4 worlds containing the spheres of existence called Atziluth the world of nearness, Briah the world of Creation, Yetzirah the world of Formation, and Assiah the world of action. Four forces govern the interactions of matter: Electromagnetism, Gravity, and the Weak and the Strong nuclear force.

 :huh:

Author is Jack Heart and he has some intriguing  stuff like:

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Actually the Qabalah is neutral Mike it can be used for either good or evil. It is only knowledge. The Jew choses to use it for evil because Tyron’s evil god Aleph Heh Yod Heh or Eihehh (I am that I am) sits at the top in the crown; Kether. And the Jew always latch’s on to a winner. Eihehh is the God of the horned pig you see above depicted as he really appeared (Michelangelo was an initiate) post “burning bush.” That was after he and his criminally insane Qabalist friends looted Egypt and murdered her children. It was not all their way even then. Even their lying book admits it when you are told the children of Israel rebelled against Moses and built a golden calf. The golden calf is the symbol of Zarathustra. The messianic Jew is supposed to await the messiah; AYLTh HShCR NGH CVCB which in translation means instrument that brings the light of the brilliant star, among other things, the true Qabalistic name of Lucifer. Lucifer or Horus the avenger as the Egyptians called him will finally end the reign of that dark god and bring the Shekinnah back from exile because he is her lawful husband. But that’s a whole different post and I will write it after this one.

...also other interesting replies in comments section - for those who would like to check...
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Iconoclast on January 31, 2014, 01:52:48 PM
We also have the Tribe of Dan who is connected to the snake and the ark -one of their crests attached.

synchronicity or not, i was just reading a fascinating blog post about "Annuit Cœptis Novus Ordo Seculorum" which says "Cœptis with the ligature literally means “children of Dan” so the phrase actually says “He granted a new order of [the] ages [to the] children of Dan.”
_http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/28/children-of-dan/

then i came to the forum to search for the tribe of dan and found your post in a thread i've started myself some time ago!  :D

not only that, but the "trident" picture in your signature reminded me instantly of another fascinating trident-related post on the same site which i also just read.
_http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/2011/08/31/freedom-tower/
(it's near the very end of this lengthy post)
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on May 22, 2014, 08:29:12 AM
I just stumbled across Alfa Romeo again and curiously- it is connected now to tritium. Also the tree and the eagle. They have been symbolically "pulled" together for some reason.


I just watched the second Hunger Games movie with my son. The arena for the was a sphere with a tree in the middle of it inside of a force field for the "Quarter Quell" fight to the death in punishment for a prior rebellion The arena itself was actually a clock- the tree is struck by lightning at midnight and noon. Tritium is related to clocks . Very strange.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: jsf on May 23, 2014, 07:15:09 AM
Codex Borgia p.67

_http://fr.scribd.com/doc/217678536/Codex-Borgia-Yoalli-Ehecatl

Wikipedia :

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The Codex Borgia or Codex Yoalli Ehēcatl is a Mesoamerican ritual and divinatory manuscript. It is generally believed to have been written before the Spanish conquest of Mexico, somewhere within what is now today southern or western Puebla. The Codex Borgia is a member of, and gives its name to, the Borgia Group of manuscripts.

The Codex Borgia was brought to Europe, likely Italy, some time in the early Spanish Colonial period. It was discovered in 1805 by Alexander von Humboldt among the effects of Cardinal Stefano Borgia. The Codex Borgia is presently housed in the Apostolic Library, the Vatican.

and Codex Borbonicus p.12

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The Codex Borbonicus is an Aztec codex written by Aztec priests shortly before or after the Spanish conquest of Mexico. The codex is named after the Palais Bourbon in France. It is held at the Bibliothèque de l'Assemblée Nationale in Paris. In 2004 Maarten Jansen and Gabina Aurora Pérez Jiménez proposed that it be given the indigenous name Codex Cihuacoatl, after the goddess Cihuacoatl.[1]

And picture of the Visconti's coat of arms.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: jsf on May 23, 2014, 07:42:06 AM
Other dragons eating men :

[Last picture : The sky-snake Mixcoatl sometimes represents the Milky Way (Jenkins, 1998, 52)]
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on May 25, 2014, 06:30:22 AM
I just stumbled across Alfa Romeo again and curiously- it is connected now to tritium. Also the tree and the eagle. They have been symbolically "pulled" together for some reason.


I just watched the second Hunger Games movie with my son. The arena for the was a sphere with a tree in the middle of it inside of a force field for the "Quarter Quell" fight to the death in punishment for a prior rebellion The arena itself was actually a clock- the tree is struck by lightning at midnight and noon. Tritium is related to clocks . Very strange.


On a hunch I started digging. It seems that in Novemeber of 2011 the worlds first Pulsar clock was installed in the oldest church in Gdansk Poland ( formerly the free city of Danzig ) The church is St. Catherines. Low and behold it matches the images in this thread quite well. Also, see the flags for Gdansk and Danzig. You get a much better idea visually on a spectrum to just do a google image search for each item and look at all of the images.


Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Possibility of Being on May 25, 2014, 06:16:32 PM
On a hunch I started digging. It seems that in Novemeber of 2011 the worlds first Pulsar clock was installed in the oldest church in Gdansk Poland ( formerly the free city of Danzig )

You seem to be making a connection between the names of Gdansk/Danzig and the Tribe of Dan, right?

How many words you think one can find in all current and old languages that have that three-letter part?
For your information, the name of Gdansk was most likely adopted from a small river, or a stream, nearby called "Gdania". And according to a prevailing hipothesis about the etymology of that word, "gdansk' in proto- or old Slavic language denoted wetlands, a swampy place. Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on May 25, 2014, 06:26:32 PM
On a hunch I started digging. It seems that in Novemeber of 2011 the worlds first Pulsar clock was installed in the oldest church in Gdansk Poland ( formerly the free city of Danzig )

You seem to be making a connection between the names of Gdansk/Danzig and the Tribe of Dan, right?

How many words you think one can find in all current and old languages that have that three-letter part?
For your information, the name of Gdansk was most likely adopted from a small river, or a stream, nearby called "Gdania". And according to a prevailing hipothesis about the etymology of that word, "gdansk' in proto- or old Slavic language denoted wetlands, a swampy place. Hope it helps.


Exactly. See how well the law of three ties in here and with the general pictures and themes of this thread? Or, perhaps it is really a "serious" matter.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on May 28, 2014, 12:18:25 PM
The pulsar clock in Gdansk is connected to the European Parliament Building in Brussels. A display was installed there in 2011 also. Now what is curious about that is that in Brussels, we have the " Atomium" which is located at " Minimundus"


_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Alada on May 28, 2014, 12:32:13 PM
Exactly. See how well the law of three ties in here and with the general pictures and themes of this thread? Or, perhaps it is really a "serious" matter.

No, I don’t see it exactly. How do you see the law of three working in the pictures/themes, what is the third force?

The Law of Three isn’t just counting things that come along in threes. Though it can be interesting to note such things if/when they come along, I don’t know that it constitutes a Law! You might want to review your understanding of the Law of Three (http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=436&lsel=L).  ;)
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on May 28, 2014, 12:49:22 PM
Exactly. See how well the law of three ties in here and with the general pictures and themes of this thread? Or, perhaps it is really a "serious" matter.

No, I don’t see it exactly. How do you see the law of three working in the pictures/themes, what is the third force?

The Law of Three isn’t just counting things that come along in threes. Though it can be interesting to note such things if/when they come along, I don’t know that it constitutes a Law! You might want to review your understanding of the Law of Three (http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=436&lsel=L).  ;)




I do understand. Look up the pulsar Arcturus and it's streams. Very interesting images in that constellation. Focus on the the three prongs everywhere. On the darker side of it, see attached. It seems to be the "gates of time". Cross reference images to Denver murals and Bank of America Murals.


 
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Alada on May 28, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
I do understand. Look up the pulsar Arcturus and it's streams. Very interesting images in that constellation. Focus on the the three prongs everywhere. On the darker side of it, see attached. It seems to be the "gates of time". Cross reference images to Denver murals and Bank of America Murals.

Nope, still don’t see it. I’m not sure you’re understanding the term in the way it is generally used here. The Law of Three defines three forces in operation, not just things that come along in threes - see the gloassary. Sometimes the third force is imagination.  ;)
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Cyndi on May 28, 2014, 05:28:59 PM
I do understand. Look up the pulsar Arcturus and it's streams. Very interesting images in that constellation. Focus on the the three prongs everywhere. On the darker side of it, see attached. It seems to be the "gates of time". Cross reference images to Denver murals and Bank of America Murals.

Nope, still don’t see it. I’m not sure you’re understanding the term in the way it is generally used here. The Law of Three defines three forces in operation, not just things that come along in threes - see the gloassary. Sometimes the third force is imagination.  ;)

Well, I am open of course to being wrong. But "Arctorus" , in the Bootes constellation, ( shaped like a kite, on the handl of the dipper) is in the knee of the shepherd king ( masonic symbolism- bare knee)- crown, treasure chest, burning lamps etc. And he is fighting a dragon/snake and holding a shield. (medusa/minotaur)

And if you look at my avatar, you can poof that shape up to 3/5 principle. The torus is related to the atom as well if my learning is correct. Seems to me this is the place of decision-the way up (cone- hyperspace) or the way down- third force- consciousness.   

It probably is just my imagination though. I'm open to that.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo Logo - A Serpent eating a man
Post by: Aragorn on May 28, 2014, 05:58:29 PM
I do understand. Look up the pulsar Arcturus and it's streams. Very interesting images in that constellation. Focus on the the three prongs everywhere. On the darker side of it, see attached. It seems to be the "gates of time". Cross reference images to Denver murals and Bank of America Murals.

Nope, still don’t see it. I’m not sure you’re understanding the term in the way it is generally used here. The Law of Three defines three forces in operation, not just things that come along in threes - see the gloassary. Sometimes the third force is imagination.  ;)

Well, I am open of course to being wrong. But "Arctorus" , in the Bootes constellation, ( shaped like a kite, on the handl of the dipper) is in the knee of the shepherd king ( masonic symbolism- bare knee)- crown, treasure chest, burning lamps etc. And he is fighting a dragon/snake and holding a shield. (medusa/minotaur)

And if you look at my avatar, you can poof that shape up to 3/5 principle. The torus is related to the atom as well if my learning is correct. Seems to me this is the place of decision-the way up (cone- hyperspace) or the way down- third force- consciousness.   

It probably is just my imagination though. I'm open to that.

I'm just curious, and I could be just dense here, but do you see any actual pragmatic usefulness in these things you point out? Do these 'concepts' help us to understand something? Just saying, because I can't quite follow what you're trying to point out... ;)